Ep 70 - 28 Years Later - The Bone Temple (2026)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: 28 years later, the Bone Temple 2026. Picking up immediately after the last movie, Spike realizes that the Rage virus is tame compared to some of the folks around this wasteland. And Dr. Kelson is dying to find a companion to share his time with. [00:00:17] Speaker B: This episode is brought to you by Radiq Audio. Radique Audio Enjoy the music. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to our rating. The show where I get together with a couple of my friends, we take a movie franchise, break it down by movie, give it an overall score, and throw it back on the board so see where it lands compared to the other movie franchises. I'm joined today by Brian and Will. Will, how are you doing? [00:00:36] Speaker A: I'm doing fantastic. I've been eagerly awaiting talking about this movie just because, you know, it was only like six months since the last one, so the closeness of it kind of just got me revved about the whole series. [00:00:50] Speaker B: Nice. What about you, Brian? Are you. How are you doing this week? [00:00:53] Speaker C: I'm doing great. I also saw this in theaters and I have a lot to talk about on this one. Maybe a lot of questions as well. [00:00:59] Speaker B: Excellent. I love to hear it. Now, if you are new to the show, there is going to be a board at the very end. We're going to have the scores of every franchise we've rated and where this one is going to land. This is currently the last movie in the 28 later franchise, so you can see where that one's going to land forever until the next one comes out. Obviously this is in theaters. It's only been out for less than a week at the time of this recording. So I'm not going to ask you what you're. How you came to this movie. We all came to it roughly around the same time. How was your viewing experience for this one? I saw this on a Monday afternoon and I was in a theater by myself. Well, like. Like, I didn't go with anybody and maybe like three other people. So basically had the theater myself. What about you guys? Did you guys have a bit more of a packed house? [00:01:41] Speaker C: I had the theater completely to myself. Just me and my buddy who went and saw the film together. Completely empty theater, which I don't know if that's a good sign or not, but we did go to, like, a real early showing, so it's probably not a big deal. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Yeah, mine was a Monday. Basically an aft. Like a matinee. Like, it was like four in the afternoon on a Monday. I'm not surprised that it wasn't fuller, but also it would have been a Good sign. If it had been fuller. What about you, Will? [00:02:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I went to a Sunday evening show and it was very quiet as well. I believe this one isn't doing the numbers the first one did, which is unfortunate in a lot of ways, but I think it's already been greenlit for the third, so at least we'll get. [00:02:18] Speaker C: Okay. [00:02:19] Speaker B: I. I was gonna ask about that. I wasn't sure if they were getting a third one, this one. We are going to spoil this movie in a few minutes. So if you have not seen it and you're curious about it, you can dip out after a few minutes. But we'll. We'll keep it PG for now or spoiler free for now. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Skip to the end then. Yeah, just move on with your lives. [00:02:34] Speaker B: There you go. [00:02:34] Speaker A: Sandy's get. [00:02:35] Speaker B: You guys do more of the talking at the beginning. Yeah, I think I saw that this one cost about 62 million and it's already made about 30 million, which is not bad, but not like incredible either. I wonder if coming so close after 28 years later, which we generally liked but wasn't like a massive blockbuster, if people just aren't excited for this one just yet, or if the weird ending to the last one kind of put people off. So this one just didn't have that like, oh my God, I have to see it feel. It was kind of that like, ah, the last one was weird. Right. And also like January as opposed to Halloween for a horror movie. [00:03:09] Speaker A: So, yeah, the time of year definitely has something to do with it, I think. But I think a lot of people were hot and cold on the first installation of 28 years later. So that might have had a bigger impact than maybe they initially thought. [00:03:26] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I think a lot of. So I have spoken with some people and there's a weird kind of niche of people that like everything in 28 laters except number two. They don't like the 28 months later, whatever it is, 28 weeks later. And we, we didn't really like. We didn't really like Number two. But then you have people who really enjoyed Number Two and they don't like the rest of the franchise, which Number two was like an action film. You know, we talked about it before. You can go find that where we [00:03:57] Speaker A: review it down below. [00:03:59] Speaker C: Yeah, so there's. There's that. And I gotta say that the last movie wasn't exactly what I was expecting. And. And so it did get a little bit lower score for me. And then again, this movie was once again not what I was expecting even Though I was trying to angle myself in the direction I thought it was going to go, and it went a bit of a bigger direction. We can talk a little bit more about that later if you guys want to save some of the spoilers there. [00:04:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Before we jump into spoilers, I will just get your initial thoughts. So this one, like, the third one, just isn't quite what you were hoping for. What about you, Will? [00:04:37] Speaker A: This one. I was pleasantly entertained throughout, and at points, I was dazzled by this movie. So overall, I. I don't want to show my hand too soon, but I think I like this one more than 28 years later. [00:04:57] Speaker B: Interesting. Okay, fair enough. I'm gonna, I guess, somewhere land somewhere in between where I was never bored with this movie. The performances were phenomenal. I don't know that I'll ever see it again. So. [00:05:10] Speaker A: It's one of those movies, though. Do you need to see it again? [00:05:13] Speaker B: Well, exactly. [00:05:14] Speaker A: Right. Because. Yeah, there's a lot of great movies that you don't need to see again. They leave an imprint. And I think this movie, in some ways, can definitely leave some imprints in different ways. [00:05:25] Speaker B: Not as big an imprint as the third one, but yes. [00:05:29] Speaker C: Okay. So the. The third movie, I feel like it had a lot of stuff that people in Europe would fire on. Yeah. They relate to. It would trigger them or make them happy. I don't know. But there's a lot of stuff over there that me as an American went way over my head. And when you guys were talking about it with me, I was like, oh, that's why they did that. I mean, the whole Teletubby thing with Jimmy at the. [00:05:54] Speaker A: Right. Jimmy himself. Yeah. [00:05:56] Speaker C: I did not know the background of the characters that were invested in that and stuff. So I did a little more research when I went into this so I would hopefully have a little better understanding. And then I felt like most of that stuff was already brought up in the previous movie, and so I was already prepared for it. I didn't need to do much research because all that stuff was already. Already there, and it wasn't anything new. It was. I mean, it was still new to me as an American, if I would have missed that last movie, but you get what I'm saying? [00:06:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:21] Speaker C: So, yeah, it was. It was a little interesting for me, but like I said, I was trying to prepare myself for the direction of this movie. And. And once again, I was a little bit, oh, we're going here. But once I realized that the movie was going to be different, I went, okay, let's not get hung up on this like I did last time. Let's just enjoy it for what it was and definitely did enjoy it. [00:06:42] Speaker B: Nice. Shall we jump straight into spoilers, then, just so you don't have to bite our tongues any longer? [00:06:47] Speaker C: Sure, sure. [00:06:48] Speaker A: The only last thing I wanted to say is, like, I. I think this movie kind of made the first iteration a little better, like, 28 years later. I like, appreciate more after seeing this movie because, okay, it. You can tell now that these were written all at the same time, and I assume the third one was already written as a part of these. It is very much a trilogy to be seen one after another. And that first movie, 28 Years later is the setup for the whole trilogy. And so this one ties off a couple of the loose ends and leaves a couple dangling that you know what's coming in the last one or you can, you know, give an educator. [00:07:33] Speaker C: Absolutely. Hooked me at the end, right? [00:07:38] Speaker A: All right, so now let's get into the spoilers. Let's get into the spoilers. [00:07:44] Speaker B: All right, so the first thing that I want to ask you guys, because this. I'm really glad they clarified this in the movie, because otherwise I would not have understood what they were getting at. It went over my head a little bit. Were you, prior to this film, familiar with the term Old Nick? Did that mean anything to you? [00:07:59] Speaker A: Old Nick as in Satan? [00:08:00] Speaker B: Correct. [00:08:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I've heard it. It's not, like, a common thing, I don't think, but I have heard Old Nick. Yeah. [00:08:08] Speaker C: Well, coming hot off the heels of the Christmas Chronicles, it took me a minute, but about halfway through, I was like, oh, the other Nick. [00:08:15] Speaker A: Yeah, okay. [00:08:19] Speaker B: Yeah. That was one of those things where I'm like, what is he talking about? Like, he's like, oh, that's your old man. I'm like, his dad died. Like, he saw him die 28 years ago. Like, what are we. I. I did not get what we were going for. And then he looks at me. He's like, oh, yeah, that could be my old man. I'm like, what is happening? Like, if they turn out that this is his father, the saint from whenever this is gonna be real. Like, it just wasn't. I was not connecting those dots. So when they finally, like. Like, Ray finds is like, oh, you mean Satan? I'm like, oh, there we go. Light bulb there. That really helped me. I'm glad they did explain that in the film, but that was one that. I wasn't sure if it was just, like, a British thing or something, but it meant Nothing to me until I [00:08:52] Speaker A: don't know if they explained it British thing. But yeah, I don't hear it a lot, that's for sure. That said, though, one of my favorite scenes was just them talking Dr. Kelson and Jimmy Crystal. [00:09:05] Speaker C: That was a great dialogue scene there. Just sitting down. And Jimmy is finally acting mature and rational. And it was almost weird, that change of heart. It was like he kind of almost met an equal and he didn't need to showcase anymore. He was just like, let's chat. [00:09:23] Speaker B: Well, even said to him like, this is the most interesting conversation I've ever had. Like, this is the. You're the easiest person I've ever had to talk to. Or something along those lines. And I was like, the, the acting in this movie across the board is so good. But. But specifically Ray finds and shoot. Thank you, Jack O. Connell. Just incredible. Now, the first movie, I'm gonna say the first movie, but, you know, I mean, 28 years later, yeah, is very much Alfie's story. And in this one he's very sidelined. Or Spike's story, I guess his character's name is very sidelined. Like, this is much more about Jack. Sorry, Jimmy lord Jimmy and Dr. Ian. And I'm so happy for it. Nothing against Alfie Williams. Great actor. He did a good job in the first movie. [00:10:07] Speaker C: Great performance. [00:10:09] Speaker A: But he does good in this too. He's justified character for sure. [00:10:13] Speaker B: Yeah. What did you guys think of the. The Satanic Jimmies? Like the, the little gang, the fix. The Fingers. [00:10:21] Speaker A: They were fingers. [00:10:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:24] Speaker A: I mean, I. I enjoyed that they weren't the Power Ranger acrobatic killers that they were at the end of the first one. And it kind of made me feel like they purposely did that as, like how Spike saw them when they came, they came to his rescue. He's like, wow, this is incredible. These super powered beings are here to save me. And then everything gets real real once this movie kicks off. And so I like, again, this one made me appreciate what they did in the first one. More, [00:11:01] Speaker B: in fairness, they were still pretty good fighters. Like, they're not doing acrobatics and stuff like that. But everybody they came across, they beat very easily. [00:11:10] Speaker A: 100. [00:11:10] Speaker C: Yes. And I really love the introduction of them in the swimming pool. And. And Spike is fighting to see who wins. And it showcases, hey, the fingers are going to be good because you have to be better than the last guy to be a part of this group. [00:11:26] Speaker A: Right. [00:11:26] Speaker C: You had to kill your way into the gang. [00:11:28] Speaker A: And. [00:11:29] Speaker C: And so they're definitely skilled warriors. All around. That was a great way to introduce the group. You learn so much about many of them without having to be told anything. You just see how this takes place and how this group functions and you learn a lot about them. It was a great way to introduce them. [00:11:45] Speaker B: And it also reminds you, Alfie out thought them. He knew he couldn't out maneuver them. He couldn't out strengthen him, so he distracted him and then took money. I'm not entirely sure he knew he was going for an artery. I don't know what his backup plan would be if he just hit, like, flabby tissue. [00:11:59] Speaker C: Could have got lucky, but he used trickery and thought to get past somebody who was gloating over him. Oh, yeah. Thinking that he was, you know, underestimating his opponent, basically. [00:12:09] Speaker B: Absolutely. Great scene. [00:12:11] Speaker A: Great scene. Not to mention just the no children allowed past this point sign. Very, very nice metaphor for the whole thing. [00:12:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:19] Speaker B: For the whole movie. [00:12:20] Speaker A: Yeah, for the whole movie, really? [00:12:21] Speaker C: Right. [00:12:22] Speaker A: It really. Spike lost all innocence going through this one, so. [00:12:27] Speaker C: Yes. And also, we also know that Jimmy lost his innocence from the first movie. When you finally figure that out, and so you're seeing where he's gotten to after this, everyone's being forced to grow up in a way that they don't want to. So it's really good. But to take it, to step back a beat to the satanic aspect of this movie, I was not prepared for that. That is the one angle that. That I did not see coming. Did not know or predict or understand anything. And at first I was like, okay, I'm just going to let go of this and see where it goes. Because this isn't a zombie film. It has some zombies in it. We've talked about, you know, 28 days later broke the mold, making fast zombies. And people had issues with that, saying they're not really zombies or whatever. Once again, this movie breaks some things with Samson and how they do stuff there. But overall, this isn't really a zombie film. It's not very much about zombies. Maybe setting up something for the third one. This is about the satanic cult and what they're doing and how Spike has to witness this and then their interaction with Ralph Fine's character, Dr. Kelson. And so I had a little bit of trouble getting around to this, but I was okay with it. And then we got into the shirt scene where they are going to. What is it? Donate their shirt or sacrifice Charity. [00:13:47] Speaker B: Charity. [00:13:48] Speaker C: Give charity. Give charity. Where they give their shirt over. And. And that was a scene that it was really Amazing. It was very powerful. It was very vivid. But it was too much for a [00:14:00] Speaker A: lot of people, I think. [00:14:01] Speaker C: Really not what I signed up for coming into this film. And I had a hard time getting through that scene because I just was not prepared for that at all. [00:14:08] Speaker B: It wasn't so much. It was that scene, but it wasn't the shirts or the charity. It was the fight between. I don't know, the character names one of the Jimmies and the muscular farmhand where she's like, we're gonna spoil this movie. Cutting his arm and, like, going lengthwise, like, down his wrist, where I'm just like, I don't know what. I'm enjoying this. I don't think I'm enjoying this. I don't really want to watch this right now because you don't really see too much of them. Like, the. The shirt scene that we're referring to is they are literally ripping the skin off of their upper half. Yeah, you don't see too much of that. You do see some of the aftermath of it, but it doesn't really focus on that. But, like, cutting down his arm, you are, like, focusing. [00:14:50] Speaker C: There was a scene where you see skin flop to the ground. Pile. [00:14:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:14:55] Speaker C: Like, oh, I. I had to look away and just, like, give the scene a little bit of time. I don't know what happened because it was just. [00:15:02] Speaker B: I wasn't. Oh, you know what happened. You know exactly what happened. You're not. Not seeing it. It's just not quite as focused in as some movies. Like a Saw movie, you would be, like, feeling every bit of that skin when they kind of give you a bit of a reprieve there, but not [00:15:17] Speaker C: enough of a reprieve, in my opinion. It was that. That, like I said, a really well done scene. I wish Saw took a. Took a beat from that scene, but it was still just too much for me. And it really was hard. [00:15:32] Speaker A: That's fair, totally fair. On your comment of, like, the Satanicism, I. I think this movie was, like, really a game. It's like kind of religion versus science in a lot of ways. And I do think they set this up in the. In the previous movie with Jimmy because his father was like, a priest or whatever, and he was like, we're saved. We're saved. As he's getting eaten by zombies. And that's like, the last time Jimmy saw his father. You know, he wears the upside down cross and things. I think a lot of that is foreshadowed into Jimmy's character. But the way Jack OCONNELL like, really brings it to life. Is. Is really nice how he's even speaking to his father and. And. And giving the souls. It. It's like, really well done. And I. I thought it made for. Great. That's what. Made for the great conversation between Ian Kelson and Jimmy Crystal near the end, Right? [00:16:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:31] Speaker C: What a. What a great character. Jimmy Crystal. [00:16:34] Speaker A: Just. [00:16:34] Speaker C: Just fantastic. Really enjoyed watching all of his scenes. The way he communicates with his group and leads them, the way he's trying to orchestrate everything. He knows what's going on. He knows that's not old Nick. [00:16:49] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:16:50] Speaker C: He's got. [00:16:50] Speaker B: He knows. He's full of. [00:16:52] Speaker A: Does he. [00:16:53] Speaker C: Power. I think at the. [00:16:55] Speaker A: When he first sees him, he questions it a little bit. [00:16:58] Speaker C: I think so, yes. He stumbles a little bit in his own understanding of what reality is. [00:17:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:04] Speaker C: After going and having a conversation with them, he's like, okay, now I know how I'm gonna handle this and I'm gonna make a deal. [00:17:11] Speaker A: Yeah. But I love that. That his hesitation is just so real. Right? [00:17:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:17] Speaker A: Like, are you old Nick? [00:17:19] Speaker C: Like, yeah. [00:17:20] Speaker B: So, like, he takes a step back. Like, he's literally taking it back. [00:17:24] Speaker A: First time you see his humanity, really. Right. [00:17:27] Speaker C: Yeah, Right there. [00:17:28] Speaker A: And it's really cool to see that. That sweet. [00:17:30] Speaker C: Which he's. He's questioning his own sanity at that point. You can. Really excellent scene right there. Really enjoyed that. Jack being one of the stars. Absolute. Just taking it away with this. A cast that's full of great actors here. [00:17:45] Speaker B: I also really like the scene leading up to that where there was like, on the side of the hill. And you can see Aaron Kellyman, who is Jimmy Inc. I believe, starting to realize, like, this guy's full of shit. Like, you just see her look, the look on her face. She's looking at him and he's like, oh, yeah, I think that is old Nick. Good. Yeah. Let's go talk to him. I'll go by myself. And she's just like, what are you trying to play here? Like, she just, like, just threw a couple of looks. You tell everything that's going on with her character. I thought it was really well played. Very subtle, but excellent. [00:18:15] Speaker A: Him calling her out was also good. Being like, get. Get them to shut up a little bit. Right. And stop talking back. Like, so funny that he. He calls them out on it. Like, I know what you guys are doing. You know, I'm on to this. [00:18:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:28] Speaker A: So funny. [00:18:30] Speaker B: What do you think about. Because one of my favorite scenes was near the end of the movie where Jimmy is actually introducing Ray Finds to the rest of the group. And he's got like Iron Maiden blaring, got the candles everywhere, blows something in their face to start making them hallucinate and get them a bit more in the mood. And he's just dancing like he is going all in again. Like, Ray Finds is just an incredible actor. Does not give an F. Just getting everything on the line for this. Because like if you had an actor half assing that performance, the movie falls apart real quick. [00:19:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:05] Speaker B: But he is giving it all. He's got the makeup on, the music is blaring. You gotta think like the Pirates, everything. [00:19:11] Speaker C: It was more. [00:19:12] Speaker B: Jimmy is pretty old, but most of his Jimmies are young. [00:19:16] Speaker A: Young. Yeah. [00:19:17] Speaker B: They might not have ever heard music before. [00:19:19] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:19:19] Speaker A: Maybe not the Iron Maiden, you know, a number of. [00:19:22] Speaker B: Maybe not anything. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:19:24] Speaker B: Like maybe somebody with a guitar. But not necessarily, like. Well, like even as they're talking about Teletubbies, they're all just stories given from him. Like, I don't imagine they have any way to like watch the Teletubbies. Right. Yeah. [00:19:34] Speaker C: I mean, they were children. They were probably, you know, two, three, five years old when. When stuff hit the fan. And this is 28 years later, they don't remember any of that stuff. And I doubt their parents were listening to or letting them listen to Iron Maiden when they were children. Yeah, they've never heard this stuff before. This was blowing their minds both metaphorically and physically. Because I mean, he, you know, blew some drugs in their face, you know, and puts on a fantastic show. [00:20:01] Speaker A: Yeah. To answer your question, I didn't need the drugs to find that phenomenal. I was all in. And I loved how committed he was. Like, this is the last rodeo. I'm putting on the best show I can muster. Great. It was great. [00:20:18] Speaker C: I was just, you know what? [00:20:19] Speaker A: Spellbound. [00:20:20] Speaker C: This, the cinematography, all the cinematography that takes place in. In the Bone Temple is amazing. During that dance sequence, it was phenomenal. They had the camera underneath looking up at Dr. Kelson when he's on the table and rolling his arms. The, the shot when he's spinning all the, all the flaming barrels on the end of his st stick was just incredible. You had those aerial shots looking down at all the candles in the Bone Temple. Just beautiful. And those shots made me. I, I literally in the, in the movie, I'm like, you know what? That's so good. I'm okay with the excessive use of shaky cam during the other sequences in the movie. Whenever they were running. [00:21:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:03] Speaker C: They needed Shaky cam when they're running from the zombies. That's the. It's been throughout this film we've had that stuff. It was pretty harsh and excessive early on and it was not really my cup of tea. But the stuff that took place in the bone temple, just phenomenal cinematography. [00:21:20] Speaker B: I agree that it's been almost cinematography. And you're right, like that we've had the shaky cam through this entire franchise. It. I still want to go away. I'm still just over it. Like, even when they're running through the forest, I get what they're trying to do, but it's still just like, I don't need it. I don't need it this badly. At very least, like, it was. It was intense in a couple of months. [00:21:37] Speaker C: That brings us to the effects of the film. We didn't need shaky cam. I thought the effects in this film were excellent. Everything looked great and they didn't. I mean, we didn't get a lot of zombies or any of that action. But when we did, they looked really good. They looked scary. They looked like they had been rotting away for years. It was really good. [00:21:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, that leads to another spoiler. The, the. I'd say the. The highest action scene of the Infected or Rage was the train scene with Samson. I thought that that scene was just, [00:22:10] Speaker B: oh, we're gonna talk about Samson. [00:22:11] Speaker A: It was just a great scene. And Samson, like, what a character as well. Talking about great characters like Samson grows on you. I mean, he's a shower already, but that's no different from the last movie, that's for sure. [00:22:29] Speaker C: Yeah. When. When they showcase him walking through the bone temple, picking up Dr. Kelso and, and Jimmy is seeing him upside down with the devil horns. You know, he's hallucinating the devil horns. What an image. I mean, what a scary looking guy just walking through there. Really cool. I was on the edge of my seat watching that sequence play through and. And it. It was cool. [00:22:53] Speaker A: And Jimmy's like, why have you forsaken me, Father? Very jc, you know. [00:22:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:59] Speaker A: Like a lot of mirroring there is. [00:23:02] Speaker B: Oh, for. [00:23:02] Speaker A: Sure thing. I've heard that the writer Alex Garland is very much religion versus science in a lot of his movies. I haven't seen a lot of his other work, but I. I'd say this one's probably right up there as far as quality writing for him. [00:23:19] Speaker C: Oh, I mean, this was. This was Jimmy versus Kelson. A bit a battle of wits. Religion versus science. And it was really fun to watch it play out. What an interesting Just this. What's the word? This. This diagram of. Of two people coming together. It was really cool. [00:23:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Do you think it was always his plan to turn on Jimmy, or do you think he did that when he realized Spike was kind of there? And, like, what. This actually looked like he was. [00:23:48] Speaker A: He was doing everything he could to save himself because he was having those breakthroughs with Samson until he realized it was Spike. And then that changed his motive. Right? [00:23:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:59] Speaker A: Yeah. He did whatever he could quickly in his head to be like, how do we get out of this situation? [00:24:05] Speaker B: I thought he was going to be like, here's my last commandments. Leave me a sacrifice. Leave me this boy. And then you guys off. Because, like, he. Jimmy probably would have let him, like, if he did that, but he gets to keep the other ones. Like, I don't think Jimmy's connected to Spike in any way. [00:24:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:18] Speaker B: But then turning it, being like, hey, I want to sacrifice, kill Jimmy. That might be the time where everybody's just like, wait a second, are we doing this? What's going on here? And like, Jimmy Inc. Was all in. She's like, hell, yeah, let's do it. [00:24:29] Speaker A: Yeah. It happened that Jimmy Ink was already, [00:24:31] Speaker B: Already, already thinking that. I think she was already on the Gap, that game plan, which. [00:24:35] Speaker A: Which was awesome. And. And it made for a great scene. I wonder if Jimmy would have accepted any, you know, straying from the original plan because of who Jimmy is. [00:24:46] Speaker B: I mean, again, I don't think he's all that interested in Spike. It doesn't really weaken the crew that hard. And it's. He still gets to leave having fulfilled all of St. Nick's or whatever. Old Nick's prediction, you know what I mean? [00:25:00] Speaker A: Like, he probably. [00:25:01] Speaker B: He's probably gonna let that go, but being sacrificed, not so much. [00:25:05] Speaker A: His troop was pretty weakened at that point. Right. Like, already had fire burns. Like. [00:25:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:11] Speaker C: They went from seven down to four and a half. [00:25:14] Speaker A: Yeah. It's pretty shaky that if he wanted to lose more people or not, I don't know. I. Like, they went. But I could see. I could see the other direction too. [00:25:22] Speaker B: He was already suspicious of Spike because they killed the one guy in the woods first thing in the morning. So he's already down, that guy. He's already like half thinking about killing Spike anyways because he let the girl go. Like, oh, I bet she's dead somewhere in the woods where we can't find her. Right? [00:25:37] Speaker A: Like, yeah, I shot her for sure. [00:25:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, he was ready to kill him right then and there. And then it was it was. Jimmy Inc. Was like, no, let's go see old Nick. I just saw him and he's like, wait. What? But other than that, he would have been dead that night for sure. [00:25:50] Speaker A: Agreed. Agreed. [00:25:51] Speaker C: What. What happened to the pregnant girl that ran off past the gate? [00:25:54] Speaker B: Nothing. [00:25:54] Speaker C: Did we ever. Nothing. We don't know. [00:25:56] Speaker A: I mean, find out next. [00:25:58] Speaker B: A. A pregnant woman alone in that world. I don't think she's got too much of a chance. [00:26:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:04] Speaker B: She was one of the ones that ran away from all the zombies when, like, they were in the valley before. Right? She was one of those three. Sure. [00:26:10] Speaker C: But you know what? Going from the last movie to this movie. There wasn't much from the last movie that didn't turn out to be foreshadowing for this movie. And I didn't realize it until I saw this movie. Which makes me appreciate. Like. Like Clean said, it made me appreciate the previous movie that much more because I didn't realize how much of that was setting up this. And it true. It feels like this is setting up a lot for the next one too. [00:26:32] Speaker B: I will agree with that. 100. There's also a lot of stuff from the last movie that we don't get any of in this movie. Like were you guys disappointed to not see the island or Spike's dad or anything? [00:26:41] Speaker C: Disappointed not to see any of that? Yep. [00:26:43] Speaker B: I was a little. I thought that's where Spike would take. What did you say her name was? I missed that part of the movie. What's. [00:26:49] Speaker A: What's. Oh, Kelly. [00:26:50] Speaker C: Kelly. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Kelly. [00:26:51] Speaker B: I thought Spike would have taken Kelly that direction instead of where they actually go at the end of the movie. [00:26:56] Speaker A: Right. [00:26:57] Speaker C: So. [00:26:57] Speaker B: And I'm not sad about that because I'm super curious to see where that goes in the next film. But I was a little surprised. We got literally nothing of that island in this one. [00:27:06] Speaker C: Nor. Nor did we have the. Any soldiers or the mainland which is unscathed by this virus. So we know nothing. We learn nothing outside of what Spike is doing. Which is kind of weird because Spike plays such a small role in this film. But it's everything that Spike experiences. [00:27:24] Speaker B: Yeah, well the film. The film is very much Dr. Ian and St. Jimmy's story. And they don't go to either of those places. So like, it kind of makes sense. [00:27:34] Speaker C: But. [00:27:36] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. [00:27:38] Speaker A: To answer your question, I didn't mind that the dad wasn't in it at all actually. Because it was. The. The stories we got were so gripping. I'm like, okay, I can see. I. I can Wait for the dad in the next one. [00:27:51] Speaker B: I should. I should clarify. I wasn't sad he wasn't in this one. I just thought he would be. [00:27:56] Speaker A: Right. [00:27:56] Speaker B: I was. I was surprised he wasn't, but I. I didn't miss. [00:27:59] Speaker C: He wasn't in this either. I really didn't like his character in the last one. Yeah, agree. I'm not. I'm not big on infidelity in the first place, and he was just this cheating kind of guy and really like him. It wasn't. He wasn't a good person. And. Yeah. So I wasn't sad to see him. I was. I wanted to see more of the island. [00:28:21] Speaker A: The holy island or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. [00:28:23] Speaker C: A line of dialogue. Just acknowledging it. I just want to know is, are we done with that or will we find the next movie? [00:28:31] Speaker B: Well, because the last thing we saw. Correct me if I'm wrong, the last thing we saw in the last movie was him kind of burning parts of it down and then running through the gate. So it. It probably survives, but. Sorry, you're saying no, I believe the [00:28:45] Speaker A: last thing we saw was him dropping the baby off at the island. [00:28:48] Speaker B: Oh, you're right. [00:28:50] Speaker A: So that's Samson's child. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back into the mix. [00:28:57] Speaker B: That's a good point. [00:28:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:59] Speaker B: Okay. So for people who. I mean, if you're still here and you haven't seen this movie, I apologize. The. The arc that we haven't really touched on too. Too much in this is. Dr. Ian is actually. Sorry, I guess in the last movie we see Samson getting tamed is not the word that I want, but it's the one that's coming to me right now, is getting subdued by medication from Dr. Ian. He's using it to try and protect himself, but we can tell that Samson likes it. Like, he likes that he doesn't feel that rage constantly. And he comes looking for Dr. Kelson not to, like, kill him, which we see he absolutely can. He rips a guy's head off and takes the whole spine, you know? [00:29:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:38] Speaker B: But he is becoming kind of a drug addict and kind of, like, loving the tranquility of not feeling the rage virus. And so he comes and almost tries to befriend Dr. Kelson. So that is an interesting storyline for the movie to take. And we can see he's actually curing him without even trying to at first. And then when he does try to cure him, he actually legit cures Samson, which was super interesting for the train scene when. When Samson's kind of like figuring out what his past looked like. And all the other zombies don't recognize him as an Alpha anymore. Don't recognize him as one of their own anymore. They all attack him. He gets multiple bites. Doesn't phase him at all because he's already got the virus inside of him and just rips them all apart, Proving once again, like, he is still an Alpha, even though he's no longer of their species. Just. Oh, I just loved everything about Samson in this movie. When we first saw him, I was kind of like, I don't know if I need more of this, but sure. And then by the end of it, I was like, I want a spin off of Samson. I want to see. [00:30:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm really hoping that the next movie will be the story of Samson or at least be a lot more around him. I think there was a great setup for that. There's so many questions that we want to know about Samson and. And you're right. If his baby's back at the island, maybe we could go full circle on this portion, this trilogy portion of the franchise, which would be perfectly fine with me. [00:31:01] Speaker B: I love the idea of him going back to the island and, like, interacting with the people. Like, like, talking to them. Like, obviously they won't trust him first off, they won't trust him probably at all. That'd be fine. But just like, I want to see him try to explain to people what have happened because, like, this also is a group people who feared Dr. Kelson. So they're not going to be like, he's not. Be like, oh, I met Dr. Kelson. He got me better. And they'll be like, the Witch Doctor. What the hell are you talking about? We're not going to hear that. [00:31:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And he knows where it is. He's been there, right? [00:31:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:30] Speaker A: So it's a lot of interesting ties could get tied together or strings could get tied together in the third. And I'm excited to see this movie. Made me excited to see. See where exactly and how they take it again. Because, like you two said, this one was a bit of surprise where they took it. So I'm excited to see where they take it because I'm hoping they'll surprise us a little bit again and. Or just tie off some of these great openings they've left us now. [00:31:54] Speaker B: I've only seen 28 years later once, so I'm going to question something you just said. [00:31:58] Speaker C: Sure. [00:31:58] Speaker B: You said he's been there before. We saw Unalpha run the gamut. Didn't Wasn't that a different Alpha? Didn't that one die? Or was that Samson? [00:32:08] Speaker C: Yeah, they shot him down with arrows. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Yeah, you might be right. I can't remember. Okay, yeah, you. You could be. You could be accurate on that. [00:32:14] Speaker B: Great scene in the first movie. [00:32:16] Speaker A: But, yeah, yeah, you've seen one Alpha, you've seen them all, you know. [00:32:19] Speaker B: Sure, sure. [00:32:20] Speaker A: I was focusing not on the face. I'm sorry. Eyes are up here. My bad. [00:32:25] Speaker B: The running helicopter. Gotcha. [00:32:27] Speaker C: You know what? We didn't have a variety of different zombies. We just had the zombies on the train and a smackling of them here and there in the last movie, like the bloated zombies, which none of us really liked. It was kind of a, I don't know, anecdotal little thing. So I didn't like the different styles of zombies they had in the last one. They didn't showcase any of that. And I was perfectly happy with that. So I thought that was good. I would have liked a little bit more story about the Jimmies or maybe just more little Easter eggs, I guess, about the Jimmies. Because learning about them when they appear in the last scene of the movie of the previous film was very interesting to me. Talking with you guys about that and all the stuff of the people that they were kind of related to and all this iconism that Europeans would get, and me as a dumb American, I'm not going to figure that out. But learning about that was amazing. There didn't seem to be as much stuff for me to learn about in this one. It was more, hey, they set it up. Now we're seeing these interactions between these characters in this film and how it's coming together and how these different. Different walks of life are interacting. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Right. [00:33:44] Speaker A: That's one of my maybe gripes with the movie, is this one doesn't feel as much as a stage standalone movie as the 28 Years later did. I mean, that one obviously leads up to a cliffhanger ending. You want to see more, but you don't have to, you know, Spikes found his own resolution with his mom. He got rescued at the end, and that's fine. This one just felt like you couldn't. You. You could see this movie without seeing the first one. But there would be a lot more questions. I'd be like, who is? [00:34:20] Speaker C: Oh, absolutely. [00:34:20] Speaker A: What is. What is. Ian Malcolm isn't as deep as. Well, like, Samson doesn't make as much sense because he's already halfway into this addiction. And so I just felt like this one cannot stand alone in a way. I enjoy movies to do so franchise or otherwise. [00:34:38] Speaker B: It's kind of the problem with the middle child always. Right. Like, you kind of need the. The first and the last half. If you saw this movie, it's the only one of the franchise you saw. You. You might also think that Dr. Ian is St. Nick or. Or Old Nick. You know what I mean? Like, what is this gigantic bone temple everywhere? Why are you bathed in blood? What is going on? [00:34:55] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:34:56] Speaker B: Like, I. I can absolutely see how you get to that conclusion. Going back a quick second. What. Some. Some of the stuff Brian was saying. You're right. The. We don't see any of the other variations of zombies. I didn't miss them whatsoever. There was like a split second where the three non. Main characters are in the valley and you just hear something in the distance. And I was like, oh, is that one of the bloaters? And like in and out of my head that fast. Didn't miss them at all. Didn't need them, didn't want them. Totally fine with that. The Jimmies. The one thing I would have liked is we kind of see Spike's initiation into the group, but clearly he doesn't want to be there. I would have liked to have seen them initiate somebody who does want to be there or who decides to join them, because I'm not sure how they convince somebody to be one of them. Like the farmhand who attacks. What, the female Jimmy? [00:35:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:44] Speaker B: I don't get the impression that if he killed her, he'd be like, cool, give me a wig. I'm in. Like, how do you convince somebody to do that? That's what I'd love to see. I'd want to see. Because as much as I love Jack o' Connell's performance in this, at no point did I see it from his perspective where I'm like, yes, cool. I want to follow you. I would have loved to have seen that. I would love to have seen his. His pitch that actually gets people to do this nonsense. [00:36:07] Speaker C: Yeah. In fact, when Spike sees them come down off the cliffside at the end of the last movie and go all ninja on the zombies, he was maybe scared, but clearly impressed by that and then skipped to the start of this film. And he is definitely not impressed by this group at all, as he is told he has to fight for his life and must join them or die. And. And so I do. I. I'm with you, Dan. I want to see what did the others do? Because some of those people are clearly all in to this gang. They want to Be there. And I want to know why. [00:36:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:47] Speaker C: Why? [00:36:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Any. Any motivation at all. [00:36:50] Speaker A: Yeah. The only exception was Kelly, who wanted to be there only because she felt it was the only way to survive. [00:36:57] Speaker C: Yeah. She thought it was the only thing that was better. [00:36:59] Speaker A: But she didn't buy into all the other crazy, like, notions why Satan and things. [00:37:05] Speaker B: Even Kelly was disappointed to miss the charity. She wanted to be in that barn cutting those people open. She was. She was mad that she missed it. So somehow he even got her to be like, yep, this is what we do. We torture people. [00:37:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a mess. And you're right about that. Like, the Jimmy's fingers are a little bit cardboard cut out. I just don't know if I want another half hour added to the movie to explore that. [00:37:32] Speaker B: That's fair. Well, this is actually a relatively short film. Like, this is only 1 hour 45. [00:37:38] Speaker C: This had the perfect running length. It was. [00:37:40] Speaker A: I like the length. It just kept me. It kept moving even. Like there were slow parts, obviously, but they were so integral and slow. So I don't know, this sucked me right in. I couldn't. I couldn't resist. [00:37:54] Speaker C: I think. I think what would have helped instead of seeing like an entire scene or something like that, just a piece of dialogue from maybe Jimmy Jones or Jimmy Jimmy or one of the other Jimmies. [00:38:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:38:04] Speaker C: Maybe they could have just had a few lines of dialogue. Like, this is our home. This is our family. We're Satanists. We like this. Whatever. Obviously better dialogue than me, but something along those lines, a few bits. Because, like, I. If you lined up all the jimmies, aside from the girls, I couldn't tell them apart. I. I didn't know who was who. And they were color coded, you know. [00:38:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:38:27] Speaker C: So I would have liked a few more lines just to get to know some of those jimmies. It wouldn't have taken but maybe five minutes more dialogue. And I would have been okay with that, but not necessary. I mean, there were Satanist cult group in an apocalypse and they felt that they needed to worship Satan to survive. So that's why they were. [00:38:45] Speaker A: There's a powerful tool. Look at today. Yeah. And I think that's a big thing with this movie as well, is like, you can compare it to a lot of things happening in the world today with power and corruption and darkness. [00:39:00] Speaker C: I believe it was. What was the line? A lie is a lie, even if everyone believes it. And the truth is still the truth, even if no one believes it. I think that was. Did they say that? Maybe I'M getting my movies mixed up. [00:39:12] Speaker B: I missed that if they did say that. [00:39:14] Speaker C: Okay, well, maybe I'm getting my movies mixed up. But that's kind of what I felt was kind of happening here. Like Jimmy's pulling the wool over everybody's eyes. Now, Kelly knew the wool was being pulled over her eyes, but she was accepting it because it was better than what she thought the rest of the world was like. Spike, however, had seen a better way, and so had Kelsey Kelson also. And so they weren't going to let the wool be pulled over their eyes on them. [00:39:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Ah, it's just so many scenes just. You know how we talked about in Kill Bill, like, scenes just like you. You know, what's coming after you've seen and you're like. That was. I can't wait for this scene. It's so epic with the music and what happens in the scene. I felt that a lot in this movie as well. Specifically Ian Kelson's music selection, how they integrate that right into the movie with his records. I thought, like, his music was so great with what was happening on screen. It really made for vivid pictures and. And audio. It just. It just encompassed everything that I needed it to do to keep me in this movie. [00:40:24] Speaker C: And fire scene aside, his dancing out in the grass with Samson and everything. Relationship, the relationship was amazing. His. His moves, the way he would just kind of move around. Like, I was like, that's weird looking, but I really dig it. And paired with the music was great. I didn't like the music Outside of Dr. Kelson's choices, though. The rest of the audio of the film was pretty meh for me. But the sequences where they were dropping the needle and playing his songs were spot on. [00:40:57] Speaker B: I can't say remember any of the music outside of Dr. Kelson, but maybe that. [00:41:01] Speaker A: There you go. [00:41:02] Speaker B: Just kind of proves your point. Yeah. [00:41:04] Speaker A: I mean, it wasn't bad for maybe the. The Heartbeat at the end. [00:41:08] Speaker C: The heartbeat at the end. I must have missed that. I didn't catch. [00:41:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm not sure. [00:41:12] Speaker A: The OG song from. [00:41:14] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. [00:41:15] Speaker C: Okay. Yes. The Heartbeat. Okay. Yes, yes. Yeah, because. And can we go ahead and spoil that now? [00:41:21] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. I was just about to do it, so go for it. [00:41:23] Speaker C: Okay, so we come full circle to 28 days later and we have. Help me out with his name. [00:41:31] Speaker B: Killian Murphy. [00:41:32] Speaker C: Killian Murphy. Thank you. With his daughter, no less, talking politics, like world politics, which was really interesting to see the. The type of stuff they were talking about leading from World War I into World War II. Like, why would you even need to know this? It's been completely wiped out. But really cool stuff. They appear, they hear screaming. They go, help. He's holding the gun. And she says, do we help them? And there's this hesitant pause. And then he looks at her and he goes, well, of course we do. [00:42:05] Speaker A: Right? [00:42:05] Speaker C: Like, maybe that wasn't his first instinct to help them, but he remembers that he's a father and he's got to show her the good in humanity and be the best he could be. And he said, of course we help them. Like, he had to convince himself to say that. Such a great scene. And then, of course, then they run off to go help them. Excellent way to end this film. And if I was questioning whether or not I really wanted to see the third movie that hooked me so much, I am so in anticipation of the next, I say the third movie. [00:42:34] Speaker B: I'm sorry, I know you mean trilogy. [00:42:37] Speaker C: The Years feels like its own trilogy. And to bring it back to the first one with Cillian Murphy was so amazing and great for me. And we still don't talk about number two. That's good, too. [00:42:50] Speaker B: Yeah, Yeah. [00:42:51] Speaker A: I think they all wiped number two from. Right. [00:42:55] Speaker C: Did we get. We got a line of dialogue in the last one that basically said, yeah, we're not going to talk about that. [00:43:00] Speaker B: I did a lot of dialogue. Or is it like words on the screen at the very beginning? It's just like the virus made it to Europe and it was eradicated instantly. And you're just like, good, good. [00:43:09] Speaker C: All right. [00:43:10] Speaker B: I'm good at this. Yeah. Movie. Yeah, it was a really interesting scene. And the thing is, at the end of 28 years later, I feel like you have to know what's going on with the rest of Alfie's story and the Jimmy's. Like, there needs to be a sequel to that. If the. If this one didn't get a sequel, greenlit. Just the fact that they find Cillian Murphy's character, who has survived in this world for 28 years later, is enough of a. I'm gonna say Easter egg that I'm kind of like, cool. They'll survive this because, like, Cillian Murphy survived it for this long. He's got a gun. They're gonna survive this. Six zombies chasing them. They're gonna show Kelly a better world. We're good. Do I want to see more? Yes. I absolutely want to see where that story goes. I want to see more of Samson. I want to see where that story goes. I could even Take more of. I can't think of his name but the dad and the island more before that's where it goes. Like, there's enough thread plots that they could make a third movie, fifth movie, whatever. But I don't feel like they have to. Like, if this is the last 28 movie we get, I'm content with that ending. [00:44:12] Speaker A: I believe that is why they wrote it that way. Because the third one wasn't greenlit through Sony or whoever produced it until the first one was like a financial success. So I think they purposely made it like, oh, this could be a twosome, no problem. [00:44:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:29] Speaker A: But I'm happy it's going to be a threesome. You know, who isn't? Who is? [00:44:33] Speaker C: I gotta say this. So I wasn't. I was probably the least big fan of the previous movie. 28 years later. I think my score came in like 10 points lower than any either of you. And I wasn't super happy with it because it really wasn't what I wanted. I would love to retroactively change my score now as. As a standalone, 28 years later, just a good movie. Well, well produced, well made. Wasn't my cup of tea as a part of this now to be trilogy, as we're calling the years, portion of was really phenomenal and incredibly smart and set up so much for me to enjoy and jump into this film and enjoy this film so much more. I would love to boost my score. We're gonna have to talk about that. If that's a thing we can do or not be. But as a standalone, the. The movie before this, not so great for me. Part of this. Really good. [00:45:38] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I said, right? I said this kind of retroactively makes the first one. Yeah, you'll feel better. [00:45:44] Speaker C: And. [00:45:44] Speaker A: And that's cool. [00:45:46] Speaker C: I don't think. I rarely have that sort of thing happen. When you talk about sequels and trilogies and stuff that rarely happens to have the next movie make the previous movie better. [00:45:56] Speaker A: Right. [00:45:57] Speaker B: At the end of the day, we're all just making this nonsense up. So, like, yeah, who cares? Change the score all you want. A part of me wants to say, watch it again and then see where your score is at. And if we, if we change it, so be it. Like, we have done this before. This is not the first time. Because if you remember, back for Alien, Covenant, I watched Covenant. Was like, my score is really, really high, but it doesn't feel like it should be. So I lowered it a little bit. Then we watched Prometheus. I might have those Two backwards. It might have been Prometheus. Then we watched Covenant, which is the first of the two. Prometheus first, then Covenant. Okay. Watched Prometheus. Really liked it, but I was like, I don't think it deserves a score. Gave it a bit of a lower score. Watch Covenant and instantly watch Prometheus again. Because, like, was I wrong? I feel like Prometheus was way better than this and came back the next week being like, no, I want to change my Prometheus score. I saw it again. I don't believe that. I think it deserved the higher score. So I want to give you the same props and be like, absolutely, you can change your score. Some part of me is like, watch it again. See if. See where you actually land. [00:46:55] Speaker C: I'm probably gonna go back and watch it again. Especially knowing all the. The. [00:47:00] Speaker A: The. [00:47:00] Speaker C: The lore that me as an American didn't catch on to would make it better too. All. I mean, these two movies have so many layers and things hidden and embedded in them throughout. That is really good. Did you guys catch the soldier's cell phone embedded in the tower? The tower behind my head right here. The big. Sorry behind my head right here. His cell phone was embedded in the tower as one of the lights. Yeah, I saw that in there, and I was like, hey, they. They acknowledged that that guy was. Was in this. You know, it was little things like that sprinkled in throughout this. It's really good. [00:47:36] Speaker B: I saw things in there. I didn't. I. I didn't make out what they were. I certainly didn't recognize it as his cell phone, but that is cool. [00:47:42] Speaker C: Well, it was a cell phone, and I would assume because we got to see the joke of his girlfriend and what's wrong with her lips. Yeah. [00:47:52] Speaker B: Okay, so going back a second, talking about Killian Murphy's character, we see him and his daughter. We don't see the other two characters who survived 28 days later. Now one of those actresses has stopped acting. Like she pretty much was only in 28 days later in one other thing. And then she pursued a music career. [00:48:10] Speaker A: Frank's daughter, whatever her name was, right? [00:48:11] Speaker B: Yeah. But the other actress, I blanking on her name and I should have looked this up, is very much an actress. Still could be brought back. Do you think we will see those two? And how do you think he has survived with so little community, no real defenses? Like, it looks like a pretty. Pretty standard cottage on a hilltop. Like, they don't have a fence. They don't have any walls. They got nothing other than they can See for miles, because they're on top of the hill. [00:48:36] Speaker C: We all know how he survived. He's. He's a father. He's a father. [00:48:40] Speaker A: This, this trilogy is all about fathers. [00:48:43] Speaker B: 28 days later had a father and he died real bad. [00:48:47] Speaker C: I mean, that's how Cillian Murphy goes with such a small community. He does it for his daughter. That's why he's giving her tests on World War II, when it is absolutely, well, not useless information, but not quite relevant information to their tasks. And he's doing that to make sure that she's entertained and her brain is being stimulated and she's not losing it to loneliness. [00:49:12] Speaker B: And I don't have it directly in front of me, but I'd be very curious. Sorry, will it be very curious what the exact conversation of that looks like? And I'd like be curious to revisit that before 28 years later, three comes out and see if that does play forward, like if they were playing the long game on that as well. Sorry, Will, go ahead. [00:49:30] Speaker A: No, no worries. [00:49:31] Speaker B: It just. [00:49:31] Speaker A: To me it came across as something like you learn the history so you don't repeat the repeat of the past. And so that's, that's more what I thought that was coming across as. [00:49:41] Speaker B: But. [00:49:42] Speaker A: But again, I wouldn't be surprised just what Dan said that if it comes around into the. Into the next movie either. Naomi Harris was the actress that played Selena. And what I noticed in the end kind of scenes is that you do see the taxi cab of Frank in the background at one point. And I do believe you see Selena's jacket hanging when they're doing their little history lesson. [00:50:06] Speaker C: And the daughter has the same haircut as Selena had too. [00:50:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:09] Speaker A: Now that said, you can keep a dead person's jacket, obviously, but it would be exciting if all three, or at least the two of them made it. [00:50:20] Speaker C: Yeah. And 28 years after the end of the world, they're probably not going to be throwing away jackets anyways. Everybody recycles everything in this, which was one of the kind of gross but also accurate things. You see them in their jumpsuits and as the camera gets close to them, you see how tattered and worn they are. Sewn together with shoelaces. Their masks are made out of sneakers and other stuff. And from a distance they look like impressive jumpsuits. And you get in closer and you realize how absolutely gross they are. And filthy dirty, really. [00:50:52] Speaker A: Only Lord Jimmy is clean. [00:50:55] Speaker C: Yeah, Nice, Nice. [00:50:59] Speaker B: I'm gonna have to take a quick 30 second break before we get into the ratings. Ratings. But you guys are good for the ratings at this point? [00:51:06] Speaker C: I'm good for ratings. [00:51:08] Speaker A: I would love to say a little bit more, but if you. [00:51:11] Speaker B: Yes, I can just. [00:51:12] Speaker C: I can just do this a long time, but. [00:51:14] Speaker A: Okay, sure, sure. I. I just feel like we haven't given. Ray finds justice by talking about how amazing his character is. Just being like an angel in. In comparison to the Jimmy character and, and, and them pairing off is just so incredible. You know, throughout the movie, he's. He's all about not hurting anybody, be it infected, be it non infected, being animals, being anything. Right. Like, even at that one point, he burns up one of the infected bodies. He places it down and there's like a moth there. And I was like, oh. And he just leaves that moth there. He. Yeah, you know, he just. And that moth, you know, symbolizing, you know, metamorphosis as well and change. Kind of like the infected people are going through, like, all these images that they put through. Ian's character is just. He's such a wholesome character and so wise and it's just. Ray Fine just captures it so well. Even you said, like, him dancing with Samson was, like, so weird and it's drugged out. They're both on drugs. It could easily come across as, like, super cheesy. The. The crazy dance number at the end could come across as so lame and cheesy. But he's so invested and you believe every single moment of him on screen. It's just beautiful to see his story unfold and heartbreaking and wonderful. Like, I. I just. I can't speak high enough for. Ray finds in this. It's so. [00:52:56] Speaker C: It really was a good death for him. Right. Like, you hated to see it happen, but it was. [00:53:02] Speaker A: Yeah. But also he's accepting of it too. Like, even he, like Montes Mori or whatever, like, he is like life and death are the same. It's. It's. It's all part of this world and it just. It's just beautiful. It's. [00:53:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:18] Speaker A: And I loved it because I want more of it. But I. I feel like it's just such a beautifully finished story when he's [00:53:25] Speaker C: sitting down with Jimmy Crystal and they're having their Ted a Tet. He was so sensitive and compassionate listening. Jimmy. [00:53:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:36] Speaker C: And it just. And you could see that just allows Jimmy to calm down and release his whole, you know, mask and his facade and be real with Dr. Kelson, like, [00:53:49] Speaker A: for the first time in years. Right? [00:53:51] Speaker C: Yes. And it was. It was because of his compassion and his wisdom. And his calm attitude, listening and hearing Jimmy and not. Not disagreeing with him, but allowing Jimmy. Yeah, not judging, just allowing Jimmy to be Jimmy. And just having that dialogue with him was so disarming for Jimmy. And. And then. And so Jimmy doesn't need to kill this guy. Instead, he's just like, all I need you to do is get my crew to follow me and we'll be out of here. So. [00:54:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, it was great. It was great. [00:54:22] Speaker C: There's. [00:54:22] Speaker A: There's a. There's just a handful of just amazing scenes in this. Whether they, like, I have to cover my eyes scenes or I can't stop watching scenes. Yeah, they balanced it really well. I felt for sure. All right, [00:54:41] Speaker B: the last thing. And this might go poorly, so we can cut this if we have to. In the scene in the barn where the people are all strung up, you are playing the farm hand. You're cut free. You've got four jimmies in front of you, and you're chose. You're told, pick one to fight. You're given a weapon. They don't have a weapon. Who are you choosing? Wait, what's your strategy? I'm asking you. You are the farmhead. What is your. What's your go to move in that situation? [00:55:11] Speaker A: Okay. I mean, I feel like what he picked the more often than not is what everybody pick. Because Jimmy, Mina or whatever is the one that did the silly, teletelly tubby dance in the. In the house. So she feels like, obviously female, smaller, less of a threat than maybe the others, who are a little larger, more imposing because she did this silly dance. And it disarms you being like, oh, okay, maybe if I need to survive, this is my target. I think. I think 99 out of 100 people would pick her because at that point, Spike was out of the barn. [00:55:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:55:53] Speaker B: Spike and Ink aren't options. They're not in the barn. [00:55:56] Speaker A: Spike would have been the pick, obviously, but then it went to her, I think. I think that would be the play for most people. [00:56:03] Speaker C: So I gotta go with Chat's suggestion to lead Jimmy. [00:56:07] Speaker B: I don't think he was an option. I agree with you. I 100 agree with you. But you have to fight a finger. [00:56:12] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't think Lord Jimmy's ever an option. He doesn't. [00:56:15] Speaker C: Right? Yeah. [00:56:16] Speaker B: No, we don't see him do anything. [00:56:18] Speaker C: So if Lord Jimmy isn't an option, then, I mean, just. This is just me personally. I couldn't go after a kid even though he wasn't an option in that scene. And I couldn't go after a woman. So I would have to pick like the biggest asshole in the group so I could just take my anger out on him at best. That's, that's me. I don't know if that's logical. I understand why he picked her. That makes sense. That's a logical choice. That makes sense. Me personally, I just, I would have moral issues trying to murder a woman. I don't, I know murder is murder, but can call me sexist or whatever, I guess, but that's just me. [00:56:56] Speaker B: I'm not calling you sexist. But also, they just ripped the skin off of everybody you know and love. I'll fuck a woman up pretty hard in that situation. [00:57:04] Speaker C: Like that's right. [00:57:07] Speaker A: Not to mention, not to mention you've lived in this apocalypse for 20 years. [00:57:11] Speaker C: Right? [00:57:12] Speaker A: Right. [00:57:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:14] Speaker A: You've probably off a, a bunch of female infected without question. [00:57:20] Speaker B: So it's survival at that point. [00:57:21] Speaker A: Things may change. So it's hard obviously to gauge we are not in these situations at all. But I, I, I appreciate your, your valiantness there. [00:57:33] Speaker B: I think I agree with you for different reasons though. I think I do pick the big guy. Personally. I, I try and stretch for a couple of seconds like he just went straight into the fight. After hanging for like 10 hours, I'll be like, no, let for two seconds. Yeah, I, I think I put the knife away and just try and go after the big guy. Because if you're, this might not check out. But here's my logic. If you're in a gang like this and you're smaller, you need to know how to fight. [00:57:59] Speaker A: Right. [00:58:00] Speaker B: If you're bigger, you're probably just throwing haymakers and hoping. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:58:04] Speaker B: And I might be able to fight [00:58:05] Speaker C: a guy who throws haymakers and it's a knife fight. Right. [00:58:08] Speaker B: Well, that's why I put the knife away. Because he doesn't have a weapon, you do. I'm not giving him my knife. I need to throw a punch. Maybe I get punched back. I'll pull the knife out later if I have to. But if I have a knife on me, as we saw, he just gives the knife to her and then she uses it against him. [00:58:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:24] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a tough question for sure. [00:58:26] Speaker B: Yeah. I just wanted to see what you guys answers were. That's awesome. [00:58:28] Speaker C: My thing was he's in there on the hook and he sees the other girl up in the rafters. I'm pissed. She takes so long to take action. Yeah, right. The whole time I'm in my seat in my head screaming at this Woman, do something. They're murdering your family. [00:58:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:46] Speaker C: She watched the whole event. Oh, my goodness. [00:58:50] Speaker B: I. I'm almost the opposite. I'm kind of like, why did she do anything? [00:58:55] Speaker C: Even at the end, but she just run. Yeah. [00:58:58] Speaker B: Like, leave or just lay down. Like, they clearly aren't searching the place for her. [00:59:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:02] Speaker B: So, like, just let it. Let it be over like she did. I. I don't want to say she saved him because he still dies a pretty horrible death, but. [00:59:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:59:10] Speaker B: At least they get a bit of revenge at the end. But, like, if you, like, she's not taking on five jimmies. She's just not. So, like, you can die with them or you can hide. Like, didn't. [00:59:22] Speaker C: She didn't. [00:59:23] Speaker B: Maybe I'm a coward. [00:59:24] Speaker C: She, like, escapes and comes back into the barn, right? [00:59:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:29] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:59:30] Speaker A: Or maybe she was hiding there the whole time. I'm not sure. Her. [00:59:32] Speaker C: I. I think I saw that she had kind of, like, maybe not left the entire compound, but she was outside and came in up to the barn. [00:59:41] Speaker B: She left the house and ran into the barn, and then all the jimmies came into the barn and followed her. But once she's up in the Raptor, she's there the entire time until she throws the hook into the back of the head. [00:59:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:53] Speaker A: Anyways, that's tough. It's tough. I mean, he was like, the last one. And I assume the father. [00:59:59] Speaker B: I assume the father. [01:00:00] Speaker A: So I think she. That was her breaking point of like, I have to do something. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:04] Speaker A: Now is the time. [01:00:05] Speaker C: And. [01:00:06] Speaker A: And it moves the plot forward, obviously. [01:00:07] Speaker B: Well, and him being unchained, her doing something allows him to do something. 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I do want to re watch that and see how I feel about the first years. But for me, this movie just, just vastly improves the franchise for me in a multitude of ways. Just, I have, I have no critiques over this film really. Maybe there were some things that could be done a little better, but I don't have any complaints over it. The only thing that I had issue with it was once again didn't know what I was getting into though this time I had an easier time letting go of what I wanted and going along for the ride. But the graphic nature of the Satanist cult and the acts that they perform was really hard for me to view. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I just kind of needed like maybe a palate cleanser or some sort of an appetizer to prepare me for this because it was so hard for me to get through those scenes, especially when once again, you know, I'm Coming in thinking, oh, a zombie movie. It really wasn't a zombie movie much at all. However, it was a fantastic movie. Much praise for this film. I'm coming in at an 87. [01:05:36] Speaker B: All right, so as I mentioned at the beginning of this episode, I was being somewhere between these two guys. As far as my enjoyment of this movie goes. I really liked 28 days later. I really liked 28 years later because both of those movies introduced so many concepts that stuck with me for quite some time. And that's kind of been my issue with this movie. Now, I only saw it on Monday. It's only been a couple of days, so it's hard to say for sure. As much as I enjoyed watching this movie, as much as the acting was phenomenal, the cinematography was incredible, the characters were well played. I don't know that there's as much on this movie that's that that makes me think about it afterwards, you know what I mean? Like, I kind of walked out of this film and went, that was good. What's for dinner? Whereas 28 years later, I walked out and was like hooked on it for days. I wanted to break down what everything meant. I wanted to look into what they were trying to get at with certain things. And I liked this movie a lot, but I didn't quite get that much out of it. And maybe that's on me. Maybe a second viewing will change that. I'm not 100% sure. I think this movie was incredible. I am super curious to see where the third one goes. I really want to see more of. Unfortunately, we lost two of the. The really well acted characters in lord Jimmy and Dr. Ian. But if we get more Samson, if we get more Killian Murphy, more Spike even, I'm gonna be very excited for this franchise. Goes. I'm definitely gonna be there for the third movie. However, this one does score him just a little bit less than the first. 28 years later out of 79. And honestly, that score changed a little bit even as we were talking tonight because these guys were reminding me of some of the scenes. So again, a second viewing might really change the score. But right here, right now, I really liked it. But I stopped thinking about it the second I watched it. So I have to give it a score where I think is appropriate. [01:07:18] Speaker A: All right, I agree and disagree with everything that was just said by both of those gentlemen. I thought this movie was a riot. The we didn't even really touch on the humor that was in this movie. In the second half, a lot of I had laugh out loud Moments I was the only one laughing in the theater. But it was like legit funny. And it really lightened that darkness that we saw at the beginning of the movie. And I think that that's what this movie is. And, and where I disagree maybe with Dan is that this is like a light versus dark movie. That's, that's what it honed in on and grabbed and, and went forward with. And I kind of like the focus of that more than the openness and you know, the just disjointedness of the first movie. Because it was setting up multiple threads. It kind of was a little jumping around. You know, it was a coming of age story for Spike. And then he was on his own with his, his mother. And then, you know, we meet the doctor, so it kind of goes all over. Then we introduce the Jimmies. And so it. That open feeling kind of left me want a little bit. Whereas this one, I felt because of the focus on the light versus dark, the good versus evil per se, humanity versus loss of humanity, that's really what this movie is about. And it hit on that for me. And it was well executed. Seeing both sides of that coin and them coming together at the end was just a spectacle to say the least. That said, I do have a couple of gripes. I, I mentioned this movie doesn't stand up on its own, as I like movies to do. This is very much a continuation of the first movie, which in retrospect makes me enjoy the first one a little bit more. But I do enjoy when movies stand on their own. And you know, it's not Spike's story in this one, which is a good and bad thing. You know, without Spike, this movie doesn't happen. This, these stories don't collide in the way they do. But, you know, he did feel a little bit back seated and I could have, I could have used a little bit more, I think. I think the actor could handle more and could have given us a little bit more in this. And I would have been happy about that. That said, Ray finds beautiful amazing, couldn't get enough. And Lord Jimmy love, love, love. Because I hate, hate, hate him for all the right reasons. Overall, this is an 84 out of 100. I do believe it is a better movie than the first in my opinion because I enjoyed it. It just, I enjoyed every second of just doesn't happen all the time. But I was just like amped. And I'm amped for the third one. [01:10:08] Speaker B: And with that we see the 28 later trilogy jumping a few spots into third place at 75 points across the board. This was a raise for all three of us coming up on this one. And actually the rating, the average on this movie coming in 83, making it the second highest in the franchise. Just one point behind 28 days later. So, yes, this absolutely jumped it up a couple places. Still not touching the dollar store, just still a few points behind that. The third movie definitely has its work cut out for it. However, if Brian does go back and re watch 28 years later and brings that score up, that was a pretty low score for him. That could jump a few as well. [01:10:52] Speaker C: So that was a tanking score on that for sure. I mean, still showcasing a good movie, just not a fantastic movie like I felt this was. [01:11:01] Speaker A: Brian, what do you think of this placement here? [01:11:04] Speaker C: You know me, I'm a big fan of Aliens and Predators, so it's always sad to see something overtake some of my favorite franchises of all time, but it's warranted. This was just quality. There was so much great writing in this. And if there's one thing I have learned in critiquing these films with you guys, it's that writing accounts for so much in a movie. This movie had the chops. [01:11:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:29] Speaker A: What about you, Brian? [01:11:31] Speaker C: I'm sorry, Brian. [01:11:32] Speaker A: Dan. [01:11:34] Speaker B: I think there are higher highs in both Predator and Alien than there are in 28 years. But being seven or eight movies long, there's a lot of really low lows [01:11:46] Speaker C: as well, a lot of duds. [01:11:48] Speaker B: And so far in this franchise, we've only had one miss out of four movies, and the other three are damn near classics. So it's. It's really hard to argue with that. I have no issues with where it is, to be perfectly honest. Yeah. But that being said, like, there's a movie or two in Alien and a movie or two in Predator that I'd rather watch. But if we had to do the entire franchise over again, I'd watch 28 years. [01:12:11] Speaker C: Yep. For sure. And that's. [01:12:13] Speaker A: That's the beauty of the franchise again. Right. Like, we. We say it a lot. The more you get, the more chances of. Of duds. And yeah, we're getting lucky with this one, I think partly because it's the original writer director coming back and, you know, they just. They've stood up well overall, I think. [01:12:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Whether it's your genre of choice or not, at the end of the day, [01:12:38] Speaker B: I. I mean, not being my thing, it can still be incredibly well written, like the first 28 days later. It doesn't go too deep into the gore and the stuff that I don't like and does go really deep into the interesting questions of, like, what would you do in this world? How would you survive? Where would you go? Even in this movie, I'm asking you. Like, you're posed with this question of, who are you going to play? Yeah, that's how I watch movies. And when movies give me a lot of choices like that, I really enjoy it. And this movie, while brilliant, just didn't give me a lot of those options. Like, what do you do in this situation? Because I. I wouldn't be in that situation. As lame as that sounds, I wouldn't join the Jimmy's. I'd probably die fighting them. You know what I mean? Like, I wouldn't be like, yeah, let's go, farm hand. Yeah, exactly. Which is why probably I resonated to him, be like, all right, here's your chance. Who are you taking out? [01:13:24] Speaker A: Exactly. Exactly. I. I also thought you would appreciate the dialogue between the. Oh, yeah, Lord Jimmy and the Doctor. Ian, like, one of my favorite scenes. I immediately thought of you. I was like, oh, this is butter for Dan right now. I'm loving this. [01:13:41] Speaker B: That's our rating of 28 years later, the Bone Temple. But what's yours? Leave a comment down below. I'd love to hear what your score is. 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