Ep 46 - Beverly Hills Cop 2 (1987)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Beverly Hills Cop 2, 1987. After Taggart and Rosewood's commanding officer is shot, Axel Foley gets the trio back in the saddle and is off to the races to find the culprits behind their friends shooting and solve the rest of the Alphabet crimes. These buddy cops will have to use all the letters of the law and more. [00:00:29] Speaker B: Hello, everybody, and welcome back to our rating the show where I get together with two of my friends, we take a movie franchise, break it down by movie, give it overall score, throw on the board and see how it lands compared to the other movie franchises. Today. I'm joined, as always, by Brian and Will. Will, how are you doing today? [00:00:44] Speaker A: Doing all right. I got family in town, going on vacation soon, so life's up in the air. We're having a ball. [00:00:51] Speaker B: Nice. I also have family in town and it's made this week. Very, very busy, but I'm happy to be here. Harry Potter you doing, Brian? [00:00:58] Speaker C: I'm doing pretty good. I'm trying to get healthy after that brush with death that I had poison oak all over my body. I'm still pretty. Pretty ugly. [00:01:07] Speaker A: Pretty ugly. [00:01:07] Speaker C: It's. It's all over me, but it's drying up and I'm taking my oatmeal baths, and I'm starting to feel a little better. [00:01:13] Speaker B: Wow, that. That looks rough. And that was only in one location. I don't want to see the rest. [00:01:16] Speaker C: That's not even the bad one. Hey, at least it's not on my penis. That's all I'm happy about, that you're willing to admit. Yeah, I didn't wipe with the damn leaves. [00:01:29] Speaker B: You wipe your pee. Never mind. Anyways, moving on. [00:01:33] Speaker C: Talk about other parts. Anyway, Back to Beverly Hills Cop. [00:01:36] Speaker B: Back to Beverly Hills Cop. So we're. Today we're talking about Beverly Hills Cop 2. This is my personal first time viewing this one. I'd seen the first one before, I guess twice now. But I've never seen anyone else in this franchise. Brian, have you seen this movie before? Have you seen the franchise before? [00:01:50] Speaker C: I remember bits and pieces of this movie. I saw Number One and remembered it. And then, of course, we rewatched it for this. And then I rewatched this one and I'm like, I think I've seen pieces of it. But I. Everything was new to me. There was. There was a scene at the end where he shoots a rocket, and I was like, I remember that. That was about it. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Nice. And what about you, Will? [00:02:10] Speaker A: Yeah, it's much the same. I've seen the first one a Bunch of times. Second and third one I've seen a handful of times if it's on tv kind of growing up, but that's about it. Never, never sought it out, that's for sure. This movie was Eddie Murphy's first writing credit. He was credited with writing Beverly Hills Cop 2 Along with somebody else. I don't know their name because I'm bad at this. So what do you guys think about the writing in this? I don't know. [00:02:40] Speaker B: I'll take that one, if you don't mind. I. I actually thought the comedy in this one was a little bit better. Like when Mark. When Eddie Murphy goes off on one of his tangents and tries to, like, BS his way out of things, it just seemed to work a little bit better for me in this one than it did in the first one. Not that I disliked it in the first one, just that it was like. It seemed a little bit cleverer in this one. Like when he takes over the house from the people where he's just, like, telling them, no, no, no, this is all wrong. You were supposed to make a circle house. A circle house. [00:03:05] Speaker A: It was just. [00:03:05] Speaker B: It was so stupid. But it was funny at the same time. He gets him, like, clap for themselves for taking the day off. It was just. [00:03:11] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:03:11] Speaker B: That seemed to work for me a little bit more. The actual police story in this one felt a little bit more convoluted and almost for no reason. Like, it didn't need to be as [00:03:21] Speaker A: in depth complicated as it was. [00:03:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, but what about you guys? [00:03:26] Speaker C: I. I gotta take the opposite of Dan's. I thought the scenes where Eddie Murphy was talking his way into things, which is what he just did repeatedly in this more so than in the first. They were cool and funny and all, but they were a little too stupid for me. Like the scene when he's saying, no, you got to build the houses round. Like, no, Foreman's just gonna tell all his guys to go home and not check that. Like, it. It was just a bridge too far for me. A lot of those things. He. He was able to talk his way into stuff that was clearly not gonna really happen. And for. For the comedic purposes, it was kind of funny. But I would have liked it. I would have liked it to land a little more realistically, I guess, or something. I mean, he was funny and all, but it just. I don't know, it was. It was too much. And then they kept repeating the same bit over and over and over, which was just him talking his way into places he's not supposed to be like when he takes a bag of vitamins and says it's like explosive metals or something, you know, and he's sweating. That was kind of funny. Really stupid though. But it got him past the girl at the door and that, that was okay. The Foreman one was ridiculous because I know no Foreman's going to just send his. All his guys home, you know, without making a phone call. So that one bothered me. [00:04:39] Speaker A: I love how certain things get Brian so much. Like, I know this wouldn't work this way, but other things he's okay with. It's so funny to me. [00:04:50] Speaker C: Things go that you wouldn't believe, but then other things I get hung up on. And I got hung up on some of the things when he was talking his way through and I was like, that's just too unbeliev for sure. [00:04:58] Speaker A: I, I agree with both of you to an extent. I feel like this one, the. The crime story was way over complicated and didn't really make any sense. I agree with Dan on that one. And then I also agree with Brian that it just felt like they forced these Eddie Murphy isms in where he's somehow ingeniously making up a character of how he's getting into these situations like the foreman and the, the. The receptionist and this and that. It just felt like they went way overboard with it and. Which took away the funny for me. And I felt this movie overall felt forced and not naturally funny, whereas the first one, I felt it was way more natural. And I don't know, maybe that was because the first one was more improvised. I'm not sure. [00:05:43] Speaker C: I'm not. No, I 100% agree with you on that. I feel that this one was way more forced. I think that's a good way to phrase. Didn't feel naturally funny like the first one. It felt like they were trying to put more into this. And because they were trying to put more into it, it felt kind of forced. Everything in this was the same movie, but they turned the volume up on it and added more of it. You know, they had more exciting car chase scenes with the trucks ramming cars. They had shootouts that were more extravagant with bigger explosions. They had lots more scenes where Eddie Murphy is wise, cracking and talking his way into situations. It was more. But it did feel a little forced. And so on the, the technical side, some of those other scenes that they did the same as the first one, but. But more of. I don't think they pulled it off as well as the first one. [00:06:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I Won't get into that just yet. But as far as the comedy goes, I feel like the first movie was also incredibly ridiculous. The situations he was getting himself into with the like fast talking nonsense. So the fact that they took it to 11 almost worked better for me because it was already a farce. But it was like, it was so silly and stupid. But they weren't taking it far enough for it to be silly and stupid. It was like, this is a real situation that you're gonna be stupid in versus this one was like, this is a really stupid situation and we're gonna make him really stupid. So it's like, okay, they know that they're making comedy, whereas the first one they felt like they were trying to make a real serious movie with this guy who just talked quickly, if that makes sense. So like, I like this one better from a. No, we're making a comedy, so we're gonna make it funny. [00:07:10] Speaker A: Maybe, maybe it's just a balance thing for me because the first one kind of balanced because it showed in some aspects, like in the strip club that he is a really good cop. He could pinpoint that it was going to get, you know, robbed and they, he took action and did it really well. Where in this one they didn't really have that as much I felt it was. [00:07:32] Speaker C: They kept doing little gimmicks like the, the alarm system with the foil wrapper and you know, breaking and airing. And it was always a fract. I used to fraction fracture the law or whatever. And he was like, okay, so he's got all these like offbeat ways of solving problems. That's not a real cop thing. But he didn't have any real good cop skills this time around. Even when he's running around shooting and stuff. He wasn't even like an expert marksman or anything. Like they didn't really highlight his, his cop skills. It was more like his juvenile skills that they highlighted in this one. [00:08:07] Speaker A: Right. [00:08:07] Speaker B: Well, he did have the scene where he got the blueprints off the matchbook. I don't know how well that actually works, but I mean, I don't think that that's super far off. The, again, the, the, the door magnetic key thing, it's more of a breaking into a place than a cop thing. But it shows he got some sort of skill. But he did. He was pretty much an expert marksman. Like in the gun range. He shoots all three of those things in one hit, which admittedly didn't seem like it was all that hard. He's doing an actual bullet and then when the guy drives through the wall, he turns around and like headshots him instantly. [00:08:35] Speaker C: Yeah, they do show him being pretty [00:08:38] Speaker B: good with a gun, I would think. [00:08:39] Speaker C: I guess there were. There were just so many scenes where I watched that. Like when they come out of the nightclub and they had that shootout from the car that tries to run him over in the nightclub. Everybody's just throwing their gun around, going bang, bang, bang. Like every. All three of them were just like. I was like, what, what do they do? They look ridiculous to this, like five foot wide foot stance as they're trying to fire these, you know, dirty hairy pistols and stuff. It was a little weird. [00:09:01] Speaker B: I did like, oh, go ahead. I just. On that scene, I did like how every time, like Eddie Murphy shot, he'd like do this massive kickback, but then they've got the double shotguns. They just bam, bam. [00:09:13] Speaker C: There were a lot of those. With those, I. I recognized a lot of them. You know, in the first one we had like the. The squibs, they would go off all in a line and they were in weird placement when. When gunshots would ricochet off the buildings and stuff. And in this one we had just like everything getting shot to pieces and no one could even wing Axel Foley. Like, it was a little bit weird, but instead of. Instead of these like strips of. Of squibs exploding, they just had everything explode when they were going into a gunfight. [00:09:47] Speaker A: Lots of explosions, lots of fun in that way. Speaking of which, they brought in director Tony Scott for this movie, known for just prior to this. Top Gun has done lots of action movies along the way. So they brought Tony in. I think the original director was supposed to come back, but they replaced him because they wanted a little more action. [00:10:10] Speaker C: Did you feel that it was a successful, unnecessary action? It was excessive. The opening sequence when they're robbing the bank, they've got the bank robbed and it's time to leave. And then they just start shooting everything. She shoots the chandelier down, which is ridiculous in its own right, just to. Just to exit. And the whole reason they did that was just so that later they could find gun casings. That was it. It was the whole purpose of them shooting, the plot wise anyway, was that they could find this gun casing that would lead them to the next clue. And I was just like, couldn't they have just like shot once or twice? Like, why did we have to have a thousand rounds blown out? I mean, as for the, you know, theatrical hook in the beginning of the movie, it's Exciting scene to get you into the film, but it was just so over the top and unnecessary for this supposedly perfectly planned heist. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Now, I do want to question that. I don't. I think I. I think I'm right on this one, but I just want question. The only place they robbed that they were insured on was the racetrack. Right. So he. That wasn't his jewelry store that he was hitting, and that's why they shot everything is for more insurance money. [00:11:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:23] Speaker B: Okay. Because I was wondering. When we were watching that scene, I was watching it with my brother, and I was just kind of like, I wonder if they're taking one specific item but destroying everything so it looks more like a random, like, cash grab. [00:11:35] Speaker A: Right. [00:11:36] Speaker B: Was like, oh, they're going for that one specific piece, but that didn't really come out that way. Nor is it like, oh, it's an insurance thing. So, like, yeah, you're right. It's kind of just for absolutely no reason other than just give them any [00:11:47] Speaker A: reason to leave an Alphabet clue system for their crimes. Like, why have them connected at all to. Even to make a. In their. [00:11:59] Speaker C: In their third heist, they were supposed to rob the racetrack and blame it on somebody, and they were supposed to be able to crack the third code, which leads them to the. To the wrong people. [00:12:08] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:12:10] Speaker C: But the fact that, you know, this guy from Detroit just goes gun casing and spoils the whole thing shows it was really terribly planned. I just thought it was. It was way too complex of a scene or a series of scenes for what they needed to accomplish in this show. I mean, later, we're connecting red dirt off of running shoes and, like, pulling the whole case together. And that just seemed weird to me, too. Like, also, those running shoes had a pile of dirt on them. Like. Like, they set the shoes on the ground for that scene, and then somebody came in with a shovel and dumped dirt over. And I was like, I didn't. Wasn't like, a little red dust fell off the side there? [00:12:50] Speaker A: No, no, it had. It had to be obvious so that he could crack the case, you know? [00:12:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:55] Speaker B: So for the record, you are saying that Axel Foley's police work is what cracked this case wide open and foiled it. [00:13:02] Speaker C: Okay, sure. I just. I'll just say, well, I'm not. [00:13:06] Speaker B: I'm not actually advocating for the movie. I just thought that was funny. [00:13:08] Speaker A: No, I know. [00:13:10] Speaker C: You find a gun casing at the scene, you trace the gun casing. That's pretty standard right there. Why? The other cops weren't trying to do that. I. I don't know. It was kind of weird. [00:13:20] Speaker B: I also. There's a lot of assumptions I made during this movie about where it was going to go based off what we were seeing and the police chief being such an a hole and trying to fire everybody and get rid of the whole department. I assumed he was going to be in bed with the criminals by the [00:13:34] Speaker C: end of it [00:13:36] Speaker B: all the good cops, and just replace them with bad cops. And it's like, no, you're just an abusive authority. [00:13:41] Speaker C: It's like, oh, now, did you guys like how Billy and what's the other cop's name? Taggart. Taggart. [00:13:49] Speaker A: Taggart. [00:13:50] Speaker C: Billy and Taggart were much better friends with Axel Foley. In fact, so was the police chief, whatever, the head guy who got shot in the beginning. [00:13:59] Speaker B: Yep. [00:13:59] Speaker C: Yeah, they were all good friends with Axel Foley. Almost too good of friends. The fishing trip that they had to cancel just didn't feel real. It just didn't feel right that they were going to go on a fishing trip and he had to cancel it. I was like, it was two years ago, guy. Like, was it two, three years ago or something? I'm like, how are. I don't know. The fishing and then. And then the, the cops, they were. They were much better friends in this, which I liked. I liked that part. I like that they just kind of got along and we, we started off being a little bit more risky in this one, rather than having to, like, you know, con them into it. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah, well, the fact that Billy, Bogamil and Taggart were all closer makes sense. They work in the same department, They've been through something together. Like that all works. Is the Axle Foley also coming along for the. The fishing trip way down in. In Beverly Hills or whatever? Yeah, that did feel a little bit off. But if it would just been like, they weren't super close, but he found out that he got shot and came down, like, that would have been enough for me. I would have. I would have bought that they'd met a while ago, they worked together, they become like friends, and something bad had happened. He came down to help Billy and, and Taggart. Like, I would have been okay with that. You didn't need to add the extra fishing trip or the extra, like, super close bromance to it. I did really like where they went with Billy's character. I thought that added something more to him. Like in the first movie, he's super. Not shy, not cowardly necessarily, but just kind of reserved. He's very reserved, and he goes through that shootout he has that moment, he gets to kill a couple people and it kind of just unlocks something in him. You see in his apartment he's got like all the guns. He's got like the poster for Rambo too. He's got the poster for Cobra. I believe it is. Yeah. And then he's like, he is ready to go for the rest of the movie. He's just like wide eyed and grinning anytime time anything happens. It was again, it was stupid. It was turned to 11. I, I thought it was amusing. I enjoyed it. [00:15:47] Speaker C: I was okay with it. That was, that was one of those things that I was okay with him taking it to 11. I like the trio. Their chemistry was good. Again, that was probably the highlight of the film for me was the three cops working together and I like that they were working together from the get go. That was, that was good. I like that we got more Paul Reiser in this one. That was, that was a bonus, right? [00:16:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:08] Speaker A: Who doesn't? [00:16:08] Speaker B: I think he's a bigger star by this point. So. [00:16:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know about that. I mean the first one for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:16:20] Speaker B: A Gilbert Godfrey appearance and a Chris Rock appearance. Now I saw Gilbert GRY in the credits. I had no idea Chris Rock was coming. That was this nice little surprise. He's just all of a sudden there just for like a, a super minor scene. It was like. Oh, nice. [00:16:31] Speaker A: It was, it was like the Damon Waynes of the first one, right? [00:16:34] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was a movie, I think. [00:16:38] Speaker A: Pretty sure. [00:16:39] Speaker B: Pretty sure that would make sense. [00:16:40] Speaker C: It was. [00:16:41] Speaker B: I didn't, I didn't realize Chris Rock's crew went back that far to be perfectly honest. But maybe, I don't know, I don't know how popular he was as a comedian back in 87. [00:16:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not a comedian guy, but I do like comedy. [00:16:52] Speaker B: That shocks me a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. [00:16:54] Speaker A: I'm not a stand up guy, I guess specifically I've never been a huge stand up guy. But I do like, I do like comedy. [00:17:01] Speaker C: I love me some stand up. I just can't remember names and stuff because I have a bad memory. [00:17:05] Speaker A: So that's fair. [00:17:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm a big stand up guy, but I haven't. Anyways, that's super off track. You mentioned a second ago that this is directed by Tony Scott, fresh off of Top Gun. And that actually makes me laugh quite a bit because as we were watching certain scenes I was like, this feels super top gunny. Like when they're at the oil rig at the very beginning and it's just that like orange hue over everything with like the shadow people in the background and just that like, like the soundtrack and everything, like everything about it like this feels really top gunny. I don't know if they're purposefully going for that or not. And finally there's like Tony Scott right after I was like, okay, there we go. It worked once, let's do it again. [00:17:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:42] Speaker B: I also was funny how the very beginning it was like you see Beverly Hills and it's like dark and dingy and like clearly bad things are happening and you go to like Detroit. It's like super light hearted and like fun music playing. I'm like, yes. What I think of when I think of Destroyed in the 80s. [00:17:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Reverse from the first a little bit. [00:17:59] Speaker B: Yeah. It was nice. [00:18:00] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:18:00] Speaker B: Sorry, Brian, you're about to say something. [00:18:02] Speaker C: I was going to talk about the, the sound and the music of the film. It was the same song we've heard a hundred times. I, I don't know the name of the song. And that was fine. They didn't. I didn't feel like this one was being shoved down my throat quite so much. But the problem was is that when they played other songs. Oh, that's right, they didn't play other songs. There was no other good music. The first one had a couple of bangers that kind of got me pumped. And I don't even remember what scene. Like they were doing some, I don't know, some sort of montage scenes or something while they're playing some other songs. And it got me pumped. I liked. It made me feel good. This one didn't have any other kind of a soundtrack. It's just that one song that they played a bunch, it seemed like. And then they would go into like a strip club or something and oh my God, those. I forgot what strip clubs in the late 80s was like because that was a disaster. [00:18:54] Speaker B: Or is that one woman like Mead mugging them the whole time? Like she just had this like nasty like, why are you in my mind? And I'm just like, don't you want customers? I don't understand. Why are you so angry? [00:19:03] Speaker C: He was. She was just like this angry Nazi stripper. Just like, I don't have a poll. I haven't installed the stripper pole in here yet or I'd give you guys the full show. There was nothing sexy about it. She was just angry dancing. And I was like, well, I mean, if you had to Listen to this music all night at work. You'd probably be angry too, I guess. I agree. [00:19:27] Speaker A: I agree. The music wasn't as good in this one. There was a couple okay songs, but nothing that, like, I felt. The first movie had all bangers, and Axle F is the name of the theme song, which is just Axel Foley's name, obviously, and it's good. But again, we've heard it from the first one, so it's like, oh, okay, yeah, we're back here. But yeah, the rest of the music just kind of didn't quite come to the same level. Whereas I thought in the first movie the music was like, you were just. You were grooving along the whole time. You were just on the ride. [00:19:59] Speaker B: I'm just like, what do you talk about? Like, the acting pretty much the same. [00:20:02] Speaker C: The. [00:20:03] Speaker B: The music pretty much the same. [00:20:05] Speaker C: Why. Why did the villain need to pull off these complex robberies so that he could buy and sell guns to make money? He was an oil tycoon. How do you go broke being an oil tycoon? I mean, I guess it's possible, but I mean, it just. It just seemed weird that they had these different style robberies that were going on of various complexities, and then the final one's just an insurance fraud scheme so that they can bankroll a different. It was. It just seemed weird to me, and I was like, man, the first one was some. Some guys trafficking, and he got in on it, and this one was like this whole complex stage of events and stuff, and it was just. It was way unnecessary. I guess they were trying to differentiate from the first one in some way, but, yeah, it's just too much. [00:21:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it just seemed too much to me as well. That being said, though, what did you guys think of Bridget Nielsen, the real, real bad guy of the film, right? Like, she was the threat. How do you guys think she did in this movie? [00:21:15] Speaker C: I didn't know that Axel Foley coined the phrase. That's a big. But there it was. [00:21:19] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. [00:21:23] Speaker C: But she. Yeah, she was. She was pretty cool. It almost felt like they were like. You know how sometimes they add something to a character to make that character stand out more? Like flashy clothes or they're really tall or whatever. She was this really tall blonde woman with sharp clothing style, features and stuff. And it was very, like, very aggressive, very in your face, very harsh. And I was like, oh, okay. So she. I mean, she stood out for sure. They accomplished that. But again, I was. I was kind of like, I was kind of disappointed because she Was doing like all the heavy lifting for the so called villain who looked like a total douche. Like a whiny little douchebag who never did anything himself. She's doing all the heavy lifting and most of the time she's actually just holding a really big gun, looking at a stopwatch, shouting out, two minutes left. Yeah. [00:22:13] Speaker A: Shooting up the place for no reason. Yeah. [00:22:15] Speaker C: But she was serious doing it, so. Okay, I'll give her points. [00:22:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:20] Speaker A: I felt like as far as the crime thing, she seemed to be at least interesting whereas the rest of the crime stuff didn't. Yeah, she at least, at least stood out as interesting. Like, oh, she's a threat. She obviously knows how to shoot. She doesn't get give a about nobody. [00:22:35] Speaker C: Y. [00:22:36] Speaker A: It was kind of cool. [00:22:37] Speaker B: It, it bothered me a little bit because she is like hanging off Maxwell Dent the entire time. So she's clearly like a public figure. Right. And yet she's the one who's not wearing a mask, going to one of these places in like the white look at me uniform in like, like the jewelry store at the beginning I'm thinking of. [00:22:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:54] Speaker B: She's got those sunglasses on, but that's it. Like you could get marked for that. Like, you know, like you could see her and be like, oh, I've seen her before. Whereas everybody else in that scene is like head to toe black, like face gear. Like there's. You can't see a single feature of anyone else except for her. She's like just hanging out. It's like that makes sense from a movie perspective. But as far as like this brilliant operation that they're going for. [00:23:17] Speaker A: Yeah, because they specifically say it so many times that it's the perfect, the perfect crimes. And you're like, you could just pick it apart so easily. It's just so bad. [00:23:26] Speaker C: From the very opening minutes of the movie, she gets out of the car, drops something and the valet bends down to pick it up and she puts her gun to the back of his head and is like, don't move. And I'm like, why did you need to take a hostage right here out in the middle of the street in the open? Why not just have him hand your coin purse back and as you walk in the door, then put the gun to his head when you're inside the building. Like every little thing about it just seemed weird to me. [00:23:54] Speaker B: Okay, fair enough. I thought you were in a different direction that I was going to correct you. I believe he was an employee of the, the jewelry store. So she was getting him inside. So he can't call the police or something from outside the building. But you're right. No, there's other ways you could have done that. As opposed to brandishing a gun in broad daylight. Downtown Beverly Hills and like you said, California. [00:24:11] Speaker C: She's, she's incredibly recognizable. And they did recognize her. He's like, guess what? I saw a tall blonde in the shooting range. You know, they, they noted that there was a tall blonde at the, at the last crime scene. And it was like, yeah, why would you make it so. Yeah, this, this amazingly planned out heist was terribly planned out. [00:24:29] Speaker B: I did like the line of like, yeah, it's California. We got six foot blondes everywhere. [00:24:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, well, you're right. [00:24:37] Speaker B: No, that, that whole scene, like, why is she, why is she doing the legwork at all? Like. Yeah, I don't know, put a giant mask on or like have her covered a bit better. She did at one point she wore a wig, but that was for a hit, so the cop wasn't supposed to survive it anyways. So why even bought like, whatever. It was weird. [00:24:54] Speaker C: Yeah, it was, it was a. I think a lot of this movie is they were trying to put too much stuff into it and they were just cramming things in over the top. Gunfights, car chase scenes. I did like the cement truck scene. That was a lot of fun. Is ridiculous. [00:25:11] Speaker A: Just crushing all the cop cars in Beverly Hills. [00:25:14] Speaker C: Yeah, that's the man. Trucks not going to get up to top speed at all. But it was fun. [00:25:24] Speaker B: The other cop pulls up with his car and then they both drive both cars to the Playboy Mansion. Like, why don't you just get out of this, the giant truck and get everybody in the little car. You can keep up, but whatever. [00:25:33] Speaker C: Where did Taggart get the unblemished cop car when he pulled it behind him? Where'd that come from? [00:25:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:25:42] Speaker B: I don't know. Where do you get the cement truck? He's like, go find wheels. And it did. I'm like, how, how did you find wheels that quickly? [00:25:49] Speaker C: They actually had foreshadowing. And my mother, I was watching with my mother and, and they ran by a cement truck that was kind of in the middle of nowhere. And you see it in the scene. And my mom goes, seems kind of weird, that cement truck just there. And I was like, mom, I bet that's foreshadowing. And sure enough, Billy runs back and gets that cement truck. And that's, that's what it was. And, and that's, that's fine. I, I like a Little foreshadow rather than just completely pull it out of thin air. [00:26:15] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I didn't see that. [00:26:17] Speaker C: Out of thin air. [00:26:18] Speaker B: Well, that's fair. You're allowed to foreshadow out of thin air as long as you don't just pull out of thin air. I think, I think that makes it better, at least a little bit. Oh, man. [00:26:27] Speaker C: And then Hugh Hefner cameo. That was fun. [00:26:31] Speaker A: Sure. [00:26:32] Speaker C: Much love, buddy. We miss you [00:26:35] Speaker B: some more than others, apparently. [00:26:38] Speaker C: Hey, I was raised on it. I was raised [00:26:43] Speaker B: the Playboy bunny scene was. Was fine. Like there. They took you to a lot of different places. This movie where it's the gun scene or the gun shop, whatever, or that. The Playboy mansion. Like, you do go to a lot of fun places in this one. [00:26:54] Speaker C: The. [00:26:54] Speaker B: The gun. Now, Brian, you're the American here. I know you're not rich, but like, do gun clubs look anything at all like that? Because in Canada, the only one I've been to is literally a forest. And you just kind of like went out there and started shooting. [00:27:06] Speaker C: I'm like, hell no. [00:27:07] Speaker B: I don't know. Like, do they have these laser guided anythings in these rich, posh places? [00:27:11] Speaker C: No, gun clubs aren't like that. They're not going to use blanks with laser sights at gun clubs anyways. That was, that was just gimmicky stuff to make it look all fancy and high tech. They don't have, you know, champagne glasses and viewing rooms and stuff like that. You're in a dark cement hall, the same as when they're training cops. It's the same, same thing everywhere because people just want to pull the trigger and hit something, you know, so that was, that was just for show. As soon as they pulled up to the Beverly Hills Gun Club and I saw that huge, just big sign written out and everything, I was like, this is gonna be a totally fake gun club. This isn't gonna be real. [00:27:49] Speaker A: Yeah, it was bougie. Definitely some bouge there. [00:27:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:55] Speaker A: So apparently this movie was originally. The producers wanted to make Beverly Hills Cop into a TV series. And Eddie Murphy was like, I ain't going back to tv. And so instead it was adapted into the second movie and then probably the third movie after that. [00:28:13] Speaker C: How. But how do they adapt this into the second movie? This was the first movie again with more stuff. [00:28:21] Speaker A: Well, I didn't know the idea though. [00:28:22] Speaker C: Right. Different to it in. [00:28:24] Speaker A: In the 80s, you know, sitcom television is just going to be episodic. The same thing happening in a different way kind of thing. Right. So it's Just like, okay, well, how is he gonna come back to Beverly Hills? Oh, the guy gets shot. Okay, what. Solve. What crime is he gonna solve? And then maybe they had, like, the framework for that for a television show, and then they just beefed it up to make it a film. [00:28:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:48] Speaker A: One go, right? Yeah. [00:28:49] Speaker B: Add some explosions, call it a day. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:28:52] Speaker C: But. But did you guys have fun watching this film? [00:28:56] Speaker B: I legitimately did. I. I don't love it. It's not what I'm necessarily going to go back to over and over again, but, yeah, I had a good time watching this one. [00:29:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:03] Speaker A: I don't disagree. It's light enough. It's fun enough. You know, you can turn your brain off, and you probably should, because a lot of the criminal organization doesn't make a whole lot of sense, nor this, you know, getting past those sneaky foreman. You know, those guys. They'll. They'll call anybody. They'll call in. They will. [00:29:25] Speaker C: Yeah. The alarm system was. Was more challenging than those guys. Yeah, it was. There was some. There was some fun stuff in the film, but a lot of the time I was just like, man, this is a lot like the first one. Just. They crammed more into it. [00:29:39] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:29:39] Speaker C: Played the same story again, huh? [00:29:41] Speaker A: 100. 101 thing I did like that I noticed on it. Tell me if you guys noticed. This is Axel, throughout the movie, kind of comes across money. He gets money for the vitamins. He gets money from. What's his name, the. [00:29:58] Speaker C: The 200 donation he ends up getting from Sydney. [00:30:01] Speaker A: Sydney Bernstein. And $50 from the armored car. But he also gives all that money away throughout the movie as well. He doesn't keep any of this money, which is. I thought it was kind of an interesting character thing, and I like that part because it wasn't, like, so in your face. And so, like, look at this, what we're doing now over and over again. It was just, like, subtly put in there. And I thought that was a cool thing for an Axel Foley character to do. He's like, I'm not in this for the money. I'm just here to solve. [00:30:25] Speaker C: I like that as well. [00:30:26] Speaker B: He ends up no further ahead than [00:30:27] Speaker C: when he started, especially at the beginning, when he's already gotten $3,000 of flash money and a $64,000 Lambo. [00:30:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. On his undercover case, picking up the tab on. [00:30:41] Speaker C: But, yeah, he'll give the tips back. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was just, like, the most interesting thing to me. I was like, oh, that's. That's funny. [00:30:50] Speaker C: He's just like, pass 20 bucks, go back and get. Get you some new vitamins. I did like how he turned it all around and, and gave it back because he wasn't there for the money and everything. And they had a running clock that lengthened and shortened as it went when he was going to get caught. And he had what's his face buddy back in Detroit cover for him and, and take a phone call real quick. Paul Reisner. And. And that was fun. It was a fun little bit. And so I like that. But you always had this. I've got three days. Oh, maybe two days and then four days. And he keeps like finding ways to stay and go a little bit longer. And I kind of like the, the time clock pressure that this movie put on you because you're constant. Like you knew it was going to happen soon because it was never more than a couple of days. So I almost felt like the next thing's coming fast. And it did. The movie moved right along from scene [00:31:35] Speaker A: to scene to scene. [00:31:36] Speaker C: There was no real slow parts. [00:31:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I'd agree. It has a good pace to it. [00:31:41] Speaker A: Again, I think that's the beauty of the 80s is they're just to the point, you know, get that action moving. I think we could use a little bit more of that nowadays. [00:31:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:53] Speaker B: If you like what we do and you want to support us, head on over to Patreon. There's a link down below. Huge shout out to our executive producers, Real Bubba, Hotep, Dino and Elder JM990. Thank you guys so much. You're helping keeping the show on the road. All right, Will you want to. Sorry, Brian, do you want to start us off? [00:32:12] Speaker C: Yeah. So I think this. I've been saying it the whole time. [00:32:17] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. [00:32:18] Speaker C: That's what happens when you do things live. [00:32:23] Speaker B: Amazing. [00:32:24] Speaker A: How about you give us your review with a beautiful hat on, please? [00:32:30] Speaker C: All right, so we're recording this live and things happen live. So that's why I'm wearing the hat. So this movie, for me, I've been saying it the whole time, it feels exactly like the same movie. They just added stuff into it to make it more. And I think they may have put a little too much or just done a kind of a shoddy job stuffing things in. I thought the special effects were not as good. The sound effects were kind of terrible compared to the original. And of course the music was non existent, aside from the same theme song that we've heard over and over. So for, for me, the original one coming down from an 80 of a really good kind of buddy cop trio movie that I really enjoyed. This one comes way down for me to a 64. I just felt like a lot of the stuff that I really enjoyed I had either already seen or I was seeing it done poorly and I didn't enjoy it. I did enjoy the sequences where the three cops are working together in Kraken wise, that was the most entertaining parts for me. But as far as the stuff that was added in, like the extravagant heist scenes, the car chase scenes, and the explosions and gunfights, I thought most of those were pulled off really poorly and didn't add anything to this film for me. It took away from it. [00:33:44] Speaker B: All right. For me, this one is a little bit funnier. Kept a bit better pace than the first one did. I did like certain aspects of it. Some of the story was convoluted, unnecessarily, a little bit overly complicated. Some of the things didn't quite make sense. So it did lower it a little bit for me. But honestly, the enjoyment of this one was almost the same, if not a little bit higher than the first one. Technical aspects were all basically the exact same. Sound is all basically the exact same. So this one, first one was a 70. This one came down to a 68. Not much of a drop off, but yeah, you can tell there's just a little bit less of originality there. And that does kind of take a little bit out of it for me. [00:34:20] Speaker A: What to say? What to say that hasn't been said already. Yeah, I'm just gonna recap. Even though Eddie Murphy's first writing credit, I found this movie was a little less funny than the first. Maybe because the first one did it first. And so, you know, always the first time seeing something, it's a little, a little more exciting than seeing it again and again and again, which I feel they forced into this one again and again and again. The action was a step up. I think that was mainly due to Tony Scott. You know, he's had some pretty good hits along the way, but overall the story was more complex for no reason. The biggest thing going for this movie was like the buddy cop feel, which was fun, but maybe just not enough to hold up to the original. Overall, this one's a 70 out of 100 for me, dropping at 10 marks from the first one. [00:35:09] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I, I really didn't enjoy this one near as much as the first. This one just, it just failed. It just failed for me in, in all the ways that I wanted it to succeed. They tried to do like they, they stick to the same recipe but add more seasoning. [00:35:28] Speaker A: Right. [00:35:28] Speaker C: And for whatever reason, I like my original recipe chicken and this just wasn't it. [00:35:34] Speaker A: It kind of just falls into all the pitfalls of a bad sequel. Right. Like all the reasons not to make a sequel. This is why they made it just for the money kind of thing. They didn't really advance the characters all that much, except for maybe Billy the most because he's going unhinged. [00:35:50] Speaker C: We got to hear about Tag. That was some funny bits too. The little ex wife jokes. [00:35:54] Speaker A: Yeah, but that's the problem though. It was more a joke than like character building, I felt, you know. [00:35:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:59] Speaker A: Because there was, there was no real. Nothing really happened. They just got back together at the end anyway, you know, it was me and cable. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, overall it was just. Was like it added nothing really to me. But yeah, I don't know. It. It's a fun, mindless popcorn action movie, I guess. [00:36:20] Speaker B: All right, so with that we have a four way tie between Alien, Predator, Beverly Hills Cop and 28 Years later or the 28 later trilogy at 72 points. Now Predator, we've got two more movies to do in the Bravely Hills Cops franchise. 28 Years later has another movie coming out in about six months and Predator has another movie coming out in about three months. So all of these could change quite a bit, hopefully in the next little bit. But for right here, right now, this is tying itself up with some pretty lofty competition. Do you think it earns its spot there? Do you think it's going to fall pretty drastically over the next two and land somewhere farther below that? [00:36:59] Speaker A: I feel this is typical franchisory. Starts pretty good, but it's going to be on that slow decline down and probably land in the Evil Dead realm, maybe Gremlins territory. [00:37:11] Speaker C: Okay, I'm, I'm okay with it being here for now, but I don't think that these two movies are going to carry this franchise. I, I have a feeling it's going to continue to go down. [00:37:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:23] Speaker C: Even if I, Even if number three and four are as good as number two, it's still going to bring it down, right? You know, it's still going to be bringing down that average. So I, I think we're gonna see it down there with Jurassic park, maybe [00:37:37] Speaker A: even below Jurassic park or Jurassic World. [00:37:42] Speaker C: Not Jurassic World. I think we'll, I think we'll outperform Gremlins. I don't know if we're gonna beat Evil Dead. Okay. [00:37:50] Speaker B: We'll See, none of us have seen Axel F. Is that correct? [00:37:52] Speaker C: I haven't seen anything out from here. Three or F. Okay. [00:37:56] Speaker A: Oh, I've seen three a couple of times. [00:37:58] Speaker B: From my understanding, three is going to be a brutal watch. I haven't heard anything really about F either way. I just know people were excited for it when it was coming out, but I'm not sure how that one's gonna land. So hopefully that one can kind of recover a little bit. Probably not back to the glory of the first one, but at least, you know, up a little bit from three. Fingers crossed, but we'll see. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's kind of like the Jurassic World 3 nostalgia callback is going to be Axle F. Right. That's kind of what they're going to play into. Whereas three kind of tanked, I think, the franchise, and that's why there was only three for 20 years. [00:38:35] Speaker B: Yeah, that's fair. [00:38:37] Speaker A: We will see. We'll. We'll break it down either way. [00:38:40] Speaker B: All right, that was our rating of Beverly Hills Cop 2, but what's your rating? Let us know down in the comments down below. I'd love to hear what you have to say. We record this live over at Twitch TV, the Mongolie show, on Thursday nights at 9pm so you can head over there and hit the follow button, or if you made it this far in the video and you enjoyed it, hit the like button and hit subscribe. So I see you in the next one.