Ep 69 - Kill Bill Vol 2 (2004)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Kill bill volume two, 2004. Two down and three to go. [00:00:07] Speaker B: Really? Okay. This episode is brought to you by Radique Audio, Radiq Audio. Enjoy the music. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to our rating. The show where I get together with two of my buddies, we take a movie franchise, break it down by movie, give an overall score and throw it up on the board. I'm joined, as always, by Brian and Will. Brian, how are you doing this week? [00:00:31] Speaker C: I'm doing real good, Dan. How are you? [00:00:32] Speaker B: I'm doing excellent, Will. How are you? [00:00:35] Speaker A: I'm tired, but I'm doing well. Always a pleasure to be here with you fine folks. [00:00:39] Speaker B: Excellent, excellent. Have you seen this movie before? I have. [00:00:43] Speaker A: I saw it in theaters when it was released. I don't think I've ever seen it since that time. [00:00:49] Speaker B: Fair enough. What about you, Brian? [00:00:50] Speaker C: Yeah, here's the crazy thing. I. I thought I'd seen this. I hadn't. I got about 15 minutes into it, into the chapel scene, the wedding scene, which I actually found out was the dress wedding rehearsal scene. And I was like, holy crap, I haven't seen this. What I had seen was a ton of clips and spoilers and stuff like that, and reviews. I mean, I basically seen it. The title kind of gives away the ending, so it wasn't like there was some big surprises, but there were a lot of. Basically a lot of monologues that I hadn't seen. And I got to catch for the first time. [00:01:25] Speaker B: Nice. So we actually watched this one together, like, obviously, like online. Not in the same room or anything. And I remember you being like, oh, my God, I've never seen this before. And I got way more excited. I was like, ooh, we're like a first time reaction. Let's go. And then you were so locked in, and I didn't really get any reaction from you for the rest of the movie. I'm like, oh, this is more fun when he's seen it before. [00:01:44] Speaker C: I was really kind of into it. Yeah. So for me, it was kind of. It was kind of bittersweet because I got to see it for the first time. But also it wasn't as good as I was hoping it to be. And we'll get into that a little bit more. [00:01:59] Speaker B: That's fair. This is one that I've definitely seen before. I did not see it in theaters, but I've seen it a couple of times. Not nearly as many times as Kill Bill Volume 1. And I gotta agree with Brian, like, while watching this, it kind of reminded me like, yeah, this is probably why I've seen the first one more often. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with this movie. I just feel like the first one just hits a little harder. It has more of like, when I think of Kill Bill and the iconic moments and the music and stuff like that, it's almost entirely in the first movie. [00:02:30] Speaker C: Yep. [00:02:30] Speaker B: Right. Like the jumpsuit, like even the post that we're looking at right now with her in like the black leather, like, she looks good, but like the yellow jumpsuit is so iconic to this movie or this franchise. It just doesn't quite hold up in. In the same category. I don't. Again, I don't think there's anything wrong though. Like, I still think the music is good, I still think the acting is phenomenal, the script is great, considerably less action, but that's fine. I'm super curious to watch the Whole Bloody Affair to see if they kind of interchange things a little bit. Because it feels like if you watch this as one full movie and it's the exact same movie with like, maybe just like the outro in the intro cut, but other than that, it's the exact same movie. Feels like it'd be really top heavy. Do you agree? [00:03:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I actually don't know and I'm. I'm interested the same way you are to watch the Whole Bloody Affair. Because I felt the first movie had pacing issues and for a whole nother reason, this one had its own pacing issues and maybe because it was meant to be one movie that would balance it out a little better, but I'm not sure and I won't know until I see it, but I'm hopeful that it will. I mean, this whole second volume is definitely more tilted towards the spaghetti western genre. Right. The music is way more westernized, the dialogue, the. The. The. The sprawling out of like lingering looking at each other and things like that. It's this potent with spaghetti Westerns. Whereas the first volume was more heavily influenced by kung fu martial arts movies and those things. Not to say that there wasn't moments of that in this either, but I think that just meant the first volume was more action packed and this one was a little more drawn out. You got to get more deeper into the characters, their backstories and things like that. So I enjoyed that because the first one set up all of these characters and this one let you kind of relish in them a little bit. But yeah, it. It definitely had some pacing issues as well. [00:04:35] Speaker C: You say that it had pacing issues for a different reason. Can you explain that because the, the first one, I don't know what the pacing issues were, but they were definitely prevalent. So what, what was the difference here? [00:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I just felt like some of the, you know, how Tarantino really enjoys chewing on the scenery with the dialogue. I, I just felt like some scenes, it was too much. And especially like the last with, with Bill and the Bride, I felt like it was just too long. There was just too much like slow paced dialogue. We could have got to the point a little bit sooner and I don't know, it just, it felt, I don't know, it just felt off to me. And maybe I'm comparing it to other Tarantino where I don't, I don't feel that. I've never felt it as much as in these movies. [00:05:29] Speaker B: I don't know why. [00:05:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I think with, with this second one, we had these very long monologues and a lot of them or dialogues between two characters or something. [00:05:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:43] Speaker C: And then there would be a flash in the pan of excitement following it up. Like when Bill's new girlfriend, I forget her name, the American cobra head or [00:05:54] Speaker A: whatever her name was, Ellie Driver is the character. [00:05:56] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah. And she's talking with Bud in the trailer and they have a long dialogue, which was interesting enough and I kind of liked it. And then he opens up the suitcase and the snake bites him in the face. [00:06:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:07] Speaker C: And you're like, oh my God. And then it's just her talking over him, which was a really cool scene. I did enjoy her talking over him, but it was like we had those moments, the, the scene with Bill at the end. They go back and forth, talking with the daughters, putting her to bed. Then they're talking downstairs, and then they finally get to where they're sitting outside of the table and suddenly there's this flash of swords and she punches him in the chest and it's pretty much over. And I was like, really? I was expecting this to be as good or better of a sword fight than the one with Lucy Liu at the end of the first movie, which was absolutely epic. And I didn't know how they were going to top that one. Well, they didn't even try. You know, there was nothing like that in this. You're right. Very much directed more toward westerns. We had shotguns, buried alive stuff. It was a different feel to this movie, but I didn't like the pacing at all. I thought the pacing was worse this time around than the first one. They didn't do it any, any better. [00:07:07] Speaker B: I don't Disagree. I think there is. It's obviously much more dialogue heavy, and Quentin Tarantino is generally a master of dialogue. And yet somehow I just didn't quite find myself caring as much about a lot of the conversations. I'm not 100 sure why that is. There were certain things that happened where you're like, to some extent, l. Driver. And the scene with Bud, it was interesting. And then she kills him, and you're just like, for any reason, like, like, did you guys hate each other? Did you just want the money back? I don't get the impression she's hurting for cash. So why? And, like, I don't remember her having a motive other than just we're supposed to not like her. You know what I mean? [00:07:56] Speaker C: Like, I just. [00:07:57] Speaker B: I wish there was more of, like, oh, you know, this is for all the times you did that to me or something. He seems like a loser dialogue. [00:08:04] Speaker C: You're worried about the snake on the floor. [00:08:06] Speaker A: And. [00:08:06] Speaker C: And they never even addressed that. So I'm like, hey, there's. The snake's still crawling around. What are you talking to him for? [00:08:13] Speaker B: Yeah, she didn't seem concerned about that snake at all. Maybe she had an antidote on her just in case. I don't know. [00:08:20] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:08:20] Speaker B: It just. I. I didn't understand her motive there. And it's one of those things where I'm like, why? Why? Other than, again, we're just supposed to hate her. And then the kill Bill scene at the end. Sorry, the scene with Bill at the end. I loved the stuff with her and her daughter. Although this time watching, I'm like, she's never had a kid. We've never seen her be around kids. We've never seen her be particularly good with kids. And then she is incredible with this kid. Like, she turns on a dime from, like, the shock of, like, holy crap, my kid is alive. Into just, like, falling into this mommy role where she's, like, playing dead and being silly with her and all that stuff. It's like, it was good. I liked it. It was a little jarring, maybe. But you also got to realize she's gonna just straight up kidnap this kid, like, away from the home. This kid knows the stability. This kid knows the father. This kid knows. And now that she's just on the run with this woman she doesn't know, you're just like, that's weird. The kid's four. They're resilient. They'll bounce back. But, like, she's not gonna forget that she had a dad. And, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I did like the, the five finger death punch in the sense of she had a closer connection with her master than Bill had with his master, which I thought was kind of interesting. We never really see their, Their. Them grow to that point during that scene, but it was just kind of that interesting. Like, no, I, I am better than you. And he recognized it and rewarded it. I, I don't know. You're right. It would have been cool to have like an actual climatic fight scene, but I didn't hate the one that we got. [00:09:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I didn't hate the. I didn't hate the lack of action in the last scene. I just felt we didn't get to the point as quickly as we could have. I mean, and I do, I do like Tarantino's dialogue. I think he's quite good. But I don't know, it just felt like they had the big spiel with the kid there. Then they had to have a big spiel without the kid there. Tarantino had to write in this, like, truth serum just so he could get the dialogue, which I thought was just like, more hilarious than anything, because I'm like, of course Tarantino has to write in a reason he can put in more dialogue into a movie of his own. Like, it's just like so funny to me. But it just seemed to drag on a little too long. Maybe one or two comic book quotes or stories in there. I don't know. It just seemed a little bit too much. He could have tightened it up at. At the end. [00:10:42] Speaker B: I'm going to actually roll with that for one quick second. His comic book analogy bothered me a little bit, where it's like, all characters wake up and like, they're Peter Parker and they have to put on the costume to become Spider Man. And then Superman just is Superman. Yeah, there's a. There's an argument for the fact that, like, Batman is Batman and Bruce Wayne is the, the Persona. And I was like, I think Superman is more naturally who he is than like Batman is. But it was just one of those things. I'm like, oh, I don't. [00:11:14] Speaker C: I think it was a long winded way of saying that she's a killer, not a mommy, not a hus or a wife to. To the guy she was trying to marry in the beginning. That's just a long winded way of saying that. And I get it. It was okay. But I'm with Will. It just. It kind of just went on a little too long. I also thought that the chapel scene in the beginning had some of the same things. You know, they're gonna go in there and kill everybody, you know, that's coming. And so they drew that out, but they. They didn't draw it out in a way that made me more and more tense, more and more waiting for it to happen. They drew it out in a way that made me more and more frustrated that it hadn't happened yet. It was kind of weird. It just didn't. Just didn't nail it for me. And I didn't like it as much as I. I wanted to. I think. I think I came in with little high expectations, or not really any expectations at all, being. I thought I had already seen this movie, but. But as it played out, I was like, well, this isn't really what I want. [00:12:17] Speaker B: I think there's definitely something to be said about how long those scenes go on for with no actual tension. Whereas maybe that's what's mixing in. Like. Like, say, the opening to Inglourious Basterds. That scene is so tense. [00:12:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:30] Speaker B: Because you have no idea what's gonna happen. That's what goes on. Yeah. That scene goes on forever, but it's so tense and you don't know what's going to happen. Whereas at the beginning is, you know, exactly what's going to happen to Beatrix Kiddo and her entire wedding party. So you're just kind of like, yeah, okay, we. Yeah, we get it. Let's. Let's get there. [00:12:46] Speaker A: And then. [00:12:46] Speaker C: And the weird thing was, it wasn't like she said something that made Bill snap or anything. The camera just backs out of the door and pans up and the Viper team walks in and mows them all down. And that was it. And it was like they didn't, like, build to it or anything. It was just. They finally ended that dialogue. The people came in, killed them all. And you hear her scream. No, Bill, no. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Which was. [00:13:07] Speaker C: Which was a great scream. I loved her. That. That audio was. Was really intense. I like that part. But it all together, it just didn't flow the way I thought it should. [00:13:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I. Yeah. [00:13:24] Speaker A: I think a bit of an inherent issue with this movie in general is it's called Kill Bill. She's got a list of five people she's going to take out. You know, she's going to make it to the end, so, you know, she's going to make it through all of these various fights or situations she gets herself into. We know she's making it out of the graveyard. You know, she makes it out of the chapel. So I think what you have to do is make it interesting or at least make it, you know, worth watching, even though you know what the outcome is going to be. And I think overall, Quinterendido does a good job of keeping you, like, oh, yeah, okay. The dialogue and the character developments are interesting enough, but in the first movie, it's so action packed and fast paced that it's easier to not be thinking about, oh, yeah, she's gonna get through this, you know, because you're already on to the next epic song and, like, cool, you know, cinematic scene that is just a eye candy. Right? And in this one, it's all about the. The dialogue and the character development, the action scenes. The biggest action scene was probably the sword fight between Driver and Beatrix where she couldn't get the sword out because it's too small inside. And it was super fun. But again, like, that was the biggest action piece in this. In this movie, and it's. It's very small compared to the first movie. [00:15:01] Speaker B: So the one thing that I really loved about that, and this is something that I picked up on this time, like how last time I picked up on the bill writing on the wall, we see L. Driver hates her master and she actually poisons. Is it PI Pay? [00:15:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:19] Speaker B: So she doesn't learn as much as he does, as Beatrix Kiddo does. So Beatrix Kiddo learns the whole, like, well, how do you fight your enemy if they're one inch away from you? And she learns how to fight, and that's what gets her out of the situation with the grave. L. Driver probably killed him before she got to that point. She never learned that lesson. So she's constantly trying to pull a sword out, but she has no idea how to fight when somebody's one inch away. And that was like one of those weird callbacks that they didn't actually, like, say out loud, but you pick up it. You're like, that's pretty freaking cool. I like it. Well done. Totally missed it the first time, but I picked it up this time and I was like, all right. I appreciated it for that aspect. [00:15:54] Speaker C: Not to mention, plucking the eyeball out was fantastic. That was just. And then she walks away. She's like, I've neutered this person. I don't even need to kill her. I've put her in the kind of hell I want her to be in and. And it's going to be fantastic. So I thought that was awesome. I really enjoyed that sequence. I wish that fight scene was Even a little bit longer. I kind of wanted her to come back and fight Bud, too. And I was sad that Bud died from the snake bite, and we didn't get to see that. It almost sounds like the actor didn't want to take the time to learn sword fighting. And so they just wrote in that he wasn't gonna have a sword and he was gonna use the shotgun. I'm not really sure about that. I don't know what was there, but I would have liked to seen something more on that. [00:16:38] Speaker B: It was interesting. They did seem to play down Bud quite a bit. Like, he's kind of this loser working at a strip joint. He sold his sword for 250 bucks because he just needed some money. And you kind of find out, like, no, he got the. He's the only person that got the best of be. Right? Like, he's the one that actually defeated her. If he just taking the time to kill her instead of, like, making her suffer. Movie's over. He didn't pawn his sword. He just didn't want people to know about it. Like, he was flying under the radar and getting the best of people by them, not expecting much from him. So it would have been interesting to see more to him than just getting surprised by a snake. Yeah, but. [00:17:16] Speaker A: Okay, move on to the next, you know, topic or whatever. I do want to mention if you guys noticed or not, at the end when the credits roll, all the. All the characters got the line crossed through them, except for L. Driver. There was a question mark because kiddo did not actually kill L. Driver. Right. So just plucked out the eye and left her there. So I thought that was kind of a funny little neat touch that Quentin left in there for the audience to grab onto. Or not. [00:17:45] Speaker B: Nice. They did at one point mention having a third movie when the little girl is grown up. I've heard something semi recently, actually. They were doing it, like, as an animated film. You could bring L. Driver back as, like, this blind warrior who's, you know, learned the error of her ways or has figured out how to fight as a blind woman. Allah. You know, John Wick or Star Wars Rogue One, something like that. I don't know that I need it. I think it's actually more interesting that we don't know what happened with her, but so be it, because she's alone, blind, thrashing around in a small trailer with a snake, and she's in a contained area. I'm assuming she got bit, but definitely possible. [00:18:24] Speaker C: I. I would. I would like to say this. I thought the burial scene was phenomenal. That had my palms sweating. I was so scared for her. I had no idea how she was going to get out. Then it led into the whole Pai May backstory and I didn't know where they were going with that. And then it leads to her doing the 3 inch punch through the wood, which was great. Right up until she just burrows her way up through the dirt real fast. And I thought that was super dumb. I was laughing out loud at how ridiculous it was. And okay, it's a choice, but up until she burrows through the dirt, I thought everything about that burial scene was absolutely phenomenal. Just so scary, so tense. I felt that tension, that fear of really being alive. Just, I mean, I almost wanted to get up and walk away from the screen so I could breathe a little bit. It was so riveting. So I really did like that scene. I wish that it wouldn't have been quite so cheesy as she just kind of dolphins up to the top and then, and then the hand popping out of the grave really had me rolling with laughter when that happened. I was like, you know, you're gonna go for it, go for it all the way. So it was, it was what it was. [00:19:38] Speaker B: He's not wrong. I, I watched him laugh quite hard at that and I was like, I, I never had that visual reaction to it. It didn't bother me as much probably because it is loose dirt that they just buried. It's not like it's been packed down. And I honestly, I don't have, I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to go through six feet of loose dirt. [00:19:57] Speaker A: So yeah, I'll let her have it. I, I, they just didn't have to show the weird like of her coming out. Right. Even if they just cut that out, it was just like a little bit odd. Right? Just [00:20:08] Speaker C: rip some boards out, have some dirt start falling in and then end scene and then cut in when her hand pops out of the dirt, I'd have been fine. I could just imagine the rest. It was just a dolphin swim up through the dirt. That was just so ridiculous to me. [00:20:24] Speaker B: That's fair. I don't have any idea what you would do with dirt. Whether you dolphining makes sense or whether there's a better way to do it, but I don't know. I, I agree though. I really did like that scene. The whole thing with the Pai May training sequence, but also just her trying to like figure out what she's in, realizing what resources she has, how she can get out of the situation and then just working her way through it. I really liked that. There's also the one line during the Pai scene where he basically has her arm and he's like, ready to break it off. Like, I can take this off. And she's like, no, please don't. He's like, okay, but now this belongs to me. If this is my arm, I want it to be strong. I was like, I don't know. I don't know why that got me so much. I'm just like, that's really cool. I like that. [00:21:04] Speaker A: Doesn't she call it back too? It's like, this is my eye or something. She says it's to somebody. Oh, no, no. She says it in the first volume one when she takes off the Sophie's arm. She's like, that's my arm. Don't you touch that. [00:21:17] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I thought, I thought Pai May was as cool a character as Hanzo was in the first movie, but for totally different reasons. So cool with the beard flicking and the, you know, the music that they would play when he was in scene. The sound of the beard just constantly. Just such an iconic character. A great throwback to so much source material. Really enjoyed Paimay even though he was a total dick. I actually did, like, at first you think he's just a real jerk and then he kind of, he kind of humbles her and you realize he's intentionally being as mean and masochistic and everything as he possibly can to, to get her in a place where then she will be malleable and he can build her back up. So just really like the whole character of the scene, everything they did, the look of all that stuff, really good. [00:22:19] Speaker B: I liked the Pie Mac scene quite a bit. I, I can't put him on the same level as Hatori Hanzo, I think. I think Paimi is very cartoonish and silly and he's doing that thing with a beard and it's like made that sound every single time. Whereas, like Hattori Hanzo. I like that character so much because he felt so real. Like, it felt like the kind of. [00:22:39] Speaker C: Oh, the character's not. [00:22:41] Speaker B: Well, that's what I mean. Like, I, I just, he's so incredibly well written as he, as his own thing. And Paimay felt like a caricature of something you've seen before, which obviously it's homage, I get it. But, but I don't know. I, I, I liked both of them, as you mentioned, for very different reasons, but, like night and day. Hatori Hanzo for me, I would take an entire movie of him. Whereas this scene with pie man, I'm like, I'm good. Got it. [00:23:04] Speaker A: I guess it did bring the comedic in the movie though, right? Like that was like the most light hearted part of this movie. Which is nice to break it up because it's, you know, again, pretty sandwiched on dark and dark of starting with, you know, seeing the bride's rehearsal go to and then ending with will she, won't she get her daughter? Well, finding out she has a daughter and then will she get her daughter in the end. So it was a nice change of pace for the movie for sure. [00:23:34] Speaker B: Now we mentioned a lot last week about how iconic a lot of that movie music was. And like it's right now. I could name multiple songs in the first one. I can't really name any songs in this one. Like nothing really stands out in the same way. They all sound great in the moment, but none of them have that same like hard hitting, like, oh man, this is so good. This is like in the trailer. I want this on a soundtrack somewhere. Did it work for you in the moment? Does it lift you after the fact? Do any of the scenes stand out with you in that same way or. [00:24:04] Speaker A: I mean, I think, I think a lot of there was like a lot of polls from spaghetti westerns. Like I don't can't remember the freaking musician's name that composed all the Fistful of dollar stuff. But definitely some of the their music is in there and some of the, you know, looks and things like that are, are throughout. But I don't think the music grabs you in the same way as the first volume. I'm pretty sure what's his name Rodriguez did the music for this one. Quentin paid him $1 to do it. Robert Rodriguez scored this one for $1. And then I think Quentin did a directed a scene for Robert Rodriguez in one of his movies for $1. So it's just kind of like a friends thing. And maybe that is what where the difference lied, I don't know. But yeah, I agree that Volume 1's music stands out more. But maybe the scenes in general just stand out more. [00:25:03] Speaker B: Yeah, that's very true. [00:25:04] Speaker C: I think the music Head and Shoulders was better in the first one. There were only not even a handful of songs that I was really into for the scenes in the second one. I felt like it was missing a lot of that musical touch that the first one had and it just fell way short of my expectations. Like almost every aspect of the film really did. So it missed it for me on the sound front. Not that it was bad. It wasn't bad by any means. Just definitely did not hold up to the first. And. And this sort of thing makes me wonder if you put both these movies together, are you going to rearrange the sequence in which she hunts people down? Are you going to change up that? Because I feel like this movie was as a whole, both volumes would be way front loaded if you didn't really blend these together much better. And then there were a lot of things that took place in the sequel. Well, and in the first one too. So you had like the Hanzo scene. Right. And you had the Pai May scene where she's dealing with people outside of her vengeful group. And it's, and it's a. They're both totally different and everything. So I, I just don't know how they would blend these two films together. And I'm very curious to see the whole Bloody Affair. I do hope that they address a lot of issues with a re edit of the film. I'm very confused at how it would play out. [00:26:29] Speaker B: I, I'm pretty confident that when you watch this movie it's got like different scenes like Chapter one, Chapter two, Chapter three, but I'm pretty sure they're not like Chapter one, Chapter two. There's like Chapter six, Chapter four, Chapter two, Chapter one. Yeah, I don't know that they would fix that in the Whole Bloody Affair. In fact, I, I sincerely doubt that they would. But I would be curious if there's like a YouTube edit of somebody who did go through and like put 1, 2, 3, 4 and see how that played out. My guess is horribly, but it'd be. 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Thank you to our producers as well as our executive producers, Real Bubba, Hotep and Dino, and a huge shout out to our writers Elder JM 990, as well as Ms. Hillary. They're going to join us from choosing the Patreon pick for the end of the month. We're not sure what it is yet, but I am eagerly waiting to find out. [00:30:40] Speaker C: Okay, so this one had what felt like. I'm not sure, but it sure felt like a lot more dialogue, a lot more monologues, and they kind of tended to run on longer than I would have liked them to, or they didn't build the tension in the way that I like them to. And there were a couple of times when I didn't feel like the lines were being delivered all that well. I kind of felt the acting in some of those, especially those monologues, like the opening monologue when she's driving the car. They just felt like lines being delivered. They didn't feel authentic or real to the character and kind of took me out. So that was one thing that I noticed was was majorly different from this. We talked about the sound, we talked about pacing, we talked about all that. This just turned out to be a lesser version than the original movie for me. And since they were both filmed in tandem, supposed to be one big movie, I was really expecting this to be more of a continuation with maybe a slant at most. But this felt like a completely different angle on what we saw before. More western rather than samurai. And I guess that would have been okay. But I didn't really like the delivery for it. This dropped this score a lot for me. This comes in at a low 70. I'm gonna give it a 71 for this film. [00:31:56] Speaker B: That is a significant drop. You had 96 last week, putting it possibly your highest score yet. I think Aliens, maybe. [00:32:04] Speaker C: I really just wasn't having a great time watching this and. And kind of just frustrated with a lot that that went through. [00:32:12] Speaker B: So I thought you were super into it because you weren't talking very much. Maybe you were super out of it and that's why you weren't talking very much. Hard to say. [00:32:19] Speaker C: I mean, I was paying attention, but I was kind of, like, trying to understand the choices and the difference here of. Of my expectations versus what I was actually getting. [00:32:28] Speaker B: Fair enough. I agree with certain things that Brian just said. I don't know that I agree with them quite as strongly as he does. I liked a lot of the dialogue in this movie. I didn't really have an issue with most of the deliveries. He mentioned the very beginning scene with her driving the car. I would bet money that that was filmed significantly after the fact and was added in just to this version. I would be shocked if that's in the whole bloody affair. But I haven't seen it. Can't say for sure. I thought the acting was. Was pretty on point. Some of the monologues do go a little bit too long, specifically considering we know the outcome of the scene. So there's just not as much tension in those scenes. But I still really liked a lot of what this movie had to do. Did it hit as hard as the first one? No, it didn't. The first movie is darn near perfect. This one is not. But I didn't drop it as far as Brian did. This one goes down to an 82 for me, and it's. It's a good conclusion. It's still really well made. It just doesn't feel as iconic as the first movie did. [00:33:21] Speaker A: All righty, then. I didn't dislike this movie as much as the other gentlemen, maybe, have I. I'm always a big fan of the dialogue of Tarantino. I do find maybe there's a little bit of drag here and there, but I did enjoy finding out more about the backstories of the characters and who they are and what their motives are for how they're acting. I think Bud is kind of one of the more interesting characters in the movie. You find out he's Bill's brother, and he kind of has a disdain for Bill since the incident at the wedding chapel and all of this Stuff is like kind of interesting in why he's living the kind of life he is living. And then again it gets cut short obviously with the snake and whatnot. But yeah, overall I dig the spaghetti western feel of this movie. I thought it was, it was a fun change. Would it all line up? That's the big question. I'm still looking forward to seeing the Whole Affair to see if the movies kind of go together as seamlessly as they should or if it will feel awkward in that tonal shift. But yeah, I don't know. The. My biggest issue is that like the other gentleman said, there isn't just that the impact of the scenes of the first movie to this movie. Maybe because it was such a strong showing and it was brand new, everybody got their hopes up for more of that and instead we got this switch of genre, switch of pacing and maybe just didn't sit well with a lot of people. Whereas myself, I. I fell into it quite easily and. And enjoyed the outcome of the story. Again, we didn't really mention like our favorite scenes in this one like we did the first one. I think when Beatrix gets to Bill's place and sees her daughter and has all of these emotions and realizations and hatred towards Bill but can't do anything about it and the love of her daughter. I thought that was all like very, very well done. And then it kind of droned on for a little bit after that. But overall this movie is only slightly less enjoyable for me. I gave it an 84 out of 100 points. I'd highly recommend the whole movie. I'd highly recommend the Whole Bloody Affair. I'm sure if I ever saw it, I will see it soon. [00:35:53] Speaker B: Very nice. When the Whole Bloody Affair comes out and is available for us to watch, are we adding it? [00:36:02] Speaker C: That's a tough call because it already [00:36:05] Speaker B: feels cheating that we're doing this as a franchise feels real cheating if we do it that way. [00:36:09] Speaker C: And, and if the Whole Bloody Affair fixes a lot of the issues that we have, then doesn't that just bring up the whole score and it's just a repeat, Right? Yep. I kind of feel like it can't happen. [00:36:21] Speaker B: It might not be a full episode, but I definitely do like a 10 minute review before a different episode. We're just like, hey, we all saw it. Let's just discuss it, see how we go. [00:36:28] Speaker A: Or be interested in doing a watch party. Although it is a long movie, but if we set it up, that'd be fun too. [00:36:33] Speaker B: On Windstorm said he'd be down for a watch party. If we do watch that one, I don't know of anything like it was in theaters in December, so it's probably not available anywhere yet. I haven't heard anything about where or when it will be available, but that's definitely one that I will probably consider picking up on Blu Ray, to be honest. But if it's on, you know, Netflix or something, then I'd watch it on here. Excuse me. My goodness. Okay. And with that, we have a new king at the top of the list. We've got Kill Bill coming in at an 86, beating out dollars trilogy. Brian went from the highest rating on this franchise to the lowest ranking. And I get to keep my streak of always having a color in my number, so I'm pretty happy. We're pretty close for this franchise being done, being all within four points is not bad at all. How do you guys feel about this coming in as an 86 for the franchise of Kill Bill? [00:37:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it's a franchise kind of. [00:37:31] Speaker C: I. I honestly thought it wouldn't beat out dollars. I thought. I was kind of surprised at how high you guys came in on the second line, but that's. That's where it lands. It's at the top. It's. Hey, nobody's denying that both these films aren't quality. I think they're both quality made films. I think my score just represents a lot of expectation. A lot of. I was up here and then I saw the sequel, and it was just that it just bothered me that it was not what I was hoping it would be. [00:38:05] Speaker A: Right. [00:38:05] Speaker B: That's interesting. I wonder if that does have to do with the fact that you saw it for the first time, whereas Will and I were re watching it. [00:38:11] Speaker A: Yeah, [00:38:13] Speaker C: it's. It's the inferior of the two. I just wasn't expecting such a drastic difference from my perspective. [00:38:22] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. I mean, I think Kill Bill is a very. It. It's a huge project that Quentin Tarantino put on his plate and took like nine years or something to make. And I think overall, maybe two movies is a good idea. Maybe editing it down to one movie. It could have been tighter. But I understand why he wouldn't want to. It's like it was like his pet project, his baby. And he wanted all those little scenes like, yeah, the manager scene at Bud, you know, talking to the strip joint owner and throwing in this. This crack about, take your hat off. I hate that hat. I told you to take that hat off. [00:39:09] Speaker C: Which is what a useful scene. [00:39:11] Speaker A: Yeah. But you know, why he says that. [00:39:13] Speaker C: Why? [00:39:13] Speaker A: Because the actor was wearing that hat in all the read throughs. And Quinn's like, you know you can't wear that hat as the character in the movie, right? He's like, it's just my hat on. I just like wearing my hat. And then Quentin's like, you know what? I can't see without it now. So let's. You just have you wear it. But I'm gonna write this scene in to make you take it off in the movie. [00:39:32] Speaker C: Okay. [00:39:32] Speaker A: Like, that's. That's the amount of, like, insider stuff that Quentin puts into these things. And it's like, okay. That's why he can't cut it down to one movie. But does it need to be there? I don't know. [00:39:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it. That scene specifically just plays off to, again, how much of a loser he is. And I just. It kind of started leading to the fact that he wasn't actually as much of a loser as we think he is. But I wish we actually get to see. See him not be a loser, but. [00:40:06] Speaker A: Well, we do and we don't. [00:40:07] Speaker C: Right. [00:40:07] Speaker A: Like, he. He beats her, but then. [00:40:11] Speaker B: But then dies like a chump. [00:40:12] Speaker A: I know, I know. So it's like super weird. [00:40:14] Speaker B: Super weird. [00:40:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:15] Speaker B: All right, that's our rating of Kill Bill Volume two, but what's yours? Leave a comment down below. I'd love to hear from you. 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