Ep27 - Venom (2018)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Venom. 2018. Eddie Brock is a mumbling journalist with borderline personality disorder who betrays his fiance's trust to further his own career. But just when he's down on his luck, after losing one relationship, Eddie is swallowed up head first into a love affair that is out of this world. I like that one. [00:00:20] Speaker B: That was good. [00:00:22] Speaker C: That's good. [00:00:22] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:00:24] Speaker C: All right. 2018. Venom, the tom Hardy, Michelle Williams movie that shouldn't star either one of them, but for some reason does. Will, I'll go to you first. Have you seen this one before we started watching this for this show, or is this your first time coming to this movie? [00:00:38] Speaker A: This is my second time and hopefully last time ever watching this movie. You know, to me, there's a wide variety of comic book movies on the market today, and I feel like the market is oversaturated. And we are in the decline of the superhero genre, and I think we've been in the decline for quite a few years. [00:01:01] Speaker C: Fair enough. What about you, Will? Or. Sorry, Brian. Sorry. [00:01:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:06] Speaker B: So to start off, Tom Hardy is one of my favorite actors. I watch everything he is in because I really like the wide range of characters he can portray. And I think he can do a great dramatic effect with a lot of the stuff he does. Didn't get the chance to showcase it in this movie and I think that's why I'm so offended by this one. It was like, why would you take a top tier actor like Tom Hardy, give him such mediocre lines, such a travesty of. Of a role that he gets to portray? I mean, you just basically showcase the guy not taking a shower for a week is what it seemed to me. He just looks dirty throughout the entire movie. So this is the second time I've seen the film and I'm with Will on this. I hope it's my last. [00:01:51] Speaker C: Wow. Okay, so, not surprisingly, we didn't talk about this one at all. We usually talk like the tiniest little bit here and there. I'm not surprised at all by this. I. I actually. Guilty pleasure, I guess. Like this one. I don't think it's a good movie. I'm not gonna sit here and like Jurassic park and try and convince you guys how great it is. Something about this works for me. It's not good. I recognize it's not good. I still enjoy it. [00:02:14] Speaker A: Yeah. I feel like a lot of the reviews and things for this movie, whether there's a lot of audience that really like this movie. [00:02:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:24] Speaker A: And a lot of critics that really don't like this movie. I feel like if you really enjoy Venom, you'll probably enjoy this movie to some extent. For an action movie, comic book movie, there's some enjoyable moments, but as a movie as a whole, trying to critique just. I don't think it holds up very well to critiquing. [00:02:49] Speaker D: I. [00:02:49] Speaker C: It's funny you mentioned that, because I actually don't think there's very much in common between this character and the character of Venom. Like, I think they are drastically different. They just sort of have that same. Like, his name's Eddie Brock. Its name's Venom. It's a symbiote. That's it. And like everything else is kind of like made up for this movie or stolen subtly from the cartoon show, but not. Not so much the comics. From what I know about it, Eddie [00:03:13] Speaker D: Brock isn't the same guy he once was. Why don't we introduce you to our better half? We call ourselves Venom. [00:03:24] Speaker A: I think it leans into like the. Obviously go straight to the anti hero Venom, not the villain Venom. [00:03:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:31] Speaker A: Eddie Brock is obviously completely different character. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Right. [00:03:34] Speaker A: And very little character at that. [00:03:37] Speaker B: I don't. I don't like what they did with either of the characters. Eddie Brock's character is very paper thin. It's a very shallow character. There's nothing to him. Really transparent. And again, you've got a great actor like Tom Hardy who could portray a lot of depth and range and he's not given that birth. Then you've got Venom. Who they do. They go straight to the anti Venom or anti villain thing. Anti hero. Right. Yeah. They need him to be. Got to get that in there sometime. They. [00:04:09] Speaker C: They need. [00:04:11] Speaker B: They needed to showcase a villain who does bad things. And I understand why. Those are my favorite kinds of villains. I want to under. Like, I want to know that there is hatred in Venom's heart and that's why he's going after the main villain in this or something. Right. This isn't like, oh, I'm kind of a loser on my planet, but I'm cool here. [00:04:33] Speaker D: I have decided to stay. [00:04:35] Speaker B: Wow. [00:04:36] Speaker D: On my planet, I am kind of a loser like you. But here we could be more. [00:04:41] Speaker B: That does not appeal to me as a. I don't want to like this character. That doesn't. That's not the Venom I know and love. So both. Both main characters, the. The Venom and Tom Hardy's character, Eddie Brock, I did not like where they went with this. And I thought they could have had so much more to it. [00:05:00] Speaker A: So let's. Let's step back a minute here. [00:05:03] Speaker C: A second. Okay. [00:05:05] Speaker A: Are either of you really familiar with the character of the comics of Venom? Are you fans of Venom? How. How deep is your lore of Venom in general? Dan? [00:05:16] Speaker C: I'm a huge Spider man fan, and as a Spider man fan, I tangentially know Venom, but I'm not a big Venom fan. So I'm familiar with how Spider man got the black suit in the first place. I'm familiar with sort of what led up to the Venom birth, as it were. But my actual knowledge of Venom is more taken from the 96 cartoon show, as seems to be, you know, every Hollywood producer's introduction to Venom as well, because that's what they seem to take from more so than from the comics. [00:05:44] Speaker D: We are Venom now. We wanted you, but you spurned us. Now we have big plans. [00:05:53] Speaker C: And then after that, the whole, like, lethal Protector, living in San Francisco, all that stuff. Again, I have, like, a tertiary knowledge of it, but I'm not the biggest Venom fan. I'm a Spider man fan. It's just that sometimes they bleed together. [00:06:05] Speaker B: I'm about the same. I'm about the same. [00:06:07] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:06:07] Speaker C: Okay. [00:06:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I also, like, I love Venom just because he's a great, fun character. I love that he's a villain. [00:06:14] Speaker C: I. [00:06:15] Speaker A: And I thought Dan would be more on Venom because, Dan, you're always talking about how you want Spider man to unleash his true power, and that's kind of what Venom is. Venom's like, I don't care. I'm going to utilize my full power at all times. [00:06:31] Speaker B: He's like. [00:06:31] Speaker A: He's like the stronger, darker Spider Man. [00:06:34] Speaker C: He's in the respect of Spider Man. Right. But Spider man is brains and brawn, and Venom is just brawn, raw power. [00:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And instinct. Right, right. [00:06:44] Speaker C: I do. Like, in this movie, they do a decent job of showcasing the two sides of the character. Like, it is not just Eddie Brock. And then Eddie Brock gets stronger. Like, there's definitively a second person there, and it kind of turns this into a weird, like, intergalactic buddy cop movie, which, I mean, he's my favorite part of the movie is that, like, middle section where they're just kind of, like, figuring each other out. Because the beginning half. Well, quarter is a little bit slow. And honestly, you don't really like Eddie Brock very much at all. Like, he's not much to, like, stealing from his girlfriend. Got them both fired for no particular reason. He didn't get a story. He didn't get an expose. He really just got her canned for no reason. [00:07:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:22] Speaker C: Yeah. You get the impression that, sure, he cares about the homeless in. As such as he wants to get a story out of it, but I don't know that he cares for the homeless or the fact that they're going missing. [00:07:31] Speaker B: I agree. I didn't get that either. [00:07:33] Speaker A: He. [00:07:33] Speaker B: He didn't feel like he was the hero that they're trying to portray, this man of the people or whatever. I didn't get that feeling from him. When I met him in person, I felt like he was a fraud. He was just doing this to get ratings. [00:07:43] Speaker C: If anything, as soon as he got fired, he didn't care at all. [00:07:46] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:07:47] Speaker C: And like, the woman, the doctor even comes up to him, the scientist, whatever, comes up to him and is just like, hey, I've got this scope, like, I can help you. Like, we can bring this guy down. He's like, I don't care. My career's over. I don't care anymore. And that. That, like, I don't feel like Eddie has the. I'm gonna steal from Will the arc that the main character should have. Like, he kind of starts off in this weird, shitty place where I don't like him all that much, and he kind of ends up in this weird, shitty place where I don't like him all that much. And the only time I like him is when he's interacting with Venom and they've got like, semi quips going back and forth. [00:08:17] Speaker D: Outstanding. Let's bite all the heads off. Follow up in the corner. [00:08:22] Speaker A: No, no. I just saying you. You equate it to a buddy cop movie. I equate it more to bomb myself, but it's in the same vein. [00:08:31] Speaker C: Yeah, you're not wrong. [00:08:32] Speaker B: Either way, it's not what I was looking for. I was almost looking for quasi demonic possession. I wanted it to go real dark and Eddie having to fight that darkness, Venom being less of a character of his own and more of just this injection of personality and evil that Eddie has to deal with and handle. I thought that would be way better. And you could see more of a character arc from Eddie as he experiences true evil that's trying to, like, kind of take over him and use him. And he has to tame that and aim it and direct it. They didn't do anything like that. It was this. I kind of like Dan's analogy of the buddy cop movie. It. It was kind of just the silliness. And honestly, there wasn't a lot of entertainment value. It kind of drug on and felt like I was waiting for interesting things to happen. They just Took so long developing the characters and putting them in their place and getting them lined up for things to happen. [00:09:26] Speaker C: So I'm gonna disagree with you on two separate fronts there. One, I don't know why. I, I, I really don't. I do find this movie entertaining. Like, when I looked at and saw it was two hours, I honestly thought it would be like an hour and 20. Like, this movie flies by relatively quickly for me. I, I'm gonna just keep saying again, I know it, it's a guilty pleasure. I'm not, I'm not trying to convince you this is a 90 plus movie. Like, it's not. And the other thing is, I actually really happy that it wasn't. So you were saying about the demonic possession. Basically, Venom is taking over Eddie Brock. The thing with Venom and Eddie Brock that I'm aware of is they're symbiotic. Right. It's right in the name, like they are a merged personality. They even say, like, we are Venom. Like they refer to themselves as a duo. I guess maybe that isn't quite symbiotic because it'd be a single if it was anyways. But I liked in this one that they got along and that they were kind of like working towards the same thing. Now, that being said, in the comics, that thing that they're working towards is killing Spider Man. They both hate Spider man for their own specific reasons, which is why it makes such a great villain when there's a Spider Man. The problem is there's no Spider man in this universe to unite them in a goal. So they're kind of just like, oh, I guess we live together now. Like, I didn't, I didn't really like that. There was not a specific thing. Like, obviously they were going after the main villain, whose name is escaping me. [00:10:40] Speaker B: Drake. [00:10:41] Speaker C: Riz Ahmed, I guess, is the actor. Yeah, Drake is the character. [00:10:44] Speaker A: Carl Drake. Yeah. [00:10:46] Speaker C: Even he just felt mustache twirly. Like I didn't have a good reason for why he was doing what he was doing. [00:10:51] Speaker A: Terrible, terrible. At no point did I waste of actor, right? [00:10:54] Speaker C: Like, but that's kind of the thing this movie is, right? Like, you have Michelle Williams, who's a phenomenal actress. Give her nothing to do. You've got Riz Ahmed, who's, I'm sure, fantastic. Give him nothing to do. Jenny Slate, I know, is more of a voice actress, gives him nothing to do. And Tom Hardy, as you said, is a phenomenal actor. We've seen him play, what was that movie, Locke, where he carries an entire movie where he is the only person on screen driving a car for an hour and a half. And I was in. [00:11:19] Speaker B: I was into. Yeah, it was a good one. [00:11:20] Speaker C: And you take that actor and you give him this, and you're like, what are we doing? What? Like, what do we do? We're bouncing off walls and we're coming up with silly quips. And like, it's like, some of the quips I liked, some of the jokes I did laugh at the first time. This time, I just think they're kind of funny. Other ones, like a turd in the wind, like, rolling down the street [00:11:41] Speaker D: in the wind. [00:11:41] Speaker C: Like he's trying to be threatening to the guy. Like, that's not a saying. Nobody says that. That's not intimidating. [00:11:47] Speaker B: Like, oh, I'm gonna be using it from now on. [00:11:49] Speaker A: I liked it. [00:11:49] Speaker C: Oh, I. I'd love to see you use it in Station. I will gift you subs if you can bring that up naturally on your next stream. [00:11:59] Speaker B: See what I can do. [00:12:02] Speaker C: As. [00:12:02] Speaker A: As Dan mentioned in the comic books, there was a. A very significant common denominator. Venom hated Spider man because Spider man rejects him. Brock hates Spider man because Spider man called him out and got him fired from his job because he. He, you know, pinned the wrong guy for. For multiple murders. So they hate Spider man. And it just. They just come into existence with each other happenstancely. And they have this common goal. And that's great in this movie. The only commonality I see is that they're both losers. And Venom had to say that out loud in order for us to even know that. And I mean, that is not on comic book accurate In. In the comic books. Venom also doesn't fit in with the other symbiotes, really. So I guess a loser in a way or an outcast in some way, but just seemed like the least amount of scriptural work or core or bones to this to make it actually move forward as a movie. Because they couldn't use Spider Man. Sony couldn't use Spider man because they lent him over to MCU proper. I don't know Disney. And so they're trying to build this non Spider Man, Spider man universe, which is already confusing. [00:13:29] Speaker C: I don't. I don't have any insider knowledge, obviously. My understanding is Sony can use Spider man at any time. They own the rights to him, flat out. They are lending the rights to Marvel to. But they. There's nothing stopping them. Like, they're still making games, they're still making animated projects. [00:13:45] Speaker A: Right. [00:13:45] Speaker C: And my understanding is they could have put Spider man in This I don't know 100% why they didn't. Some of the rumors were that they were trying to get Toby Maguire back in and they couldn't get him in time. They were trying to get Andrew Garfield on board. They couldn't get him, but they didn't want to use. Well, I assume they wouldn't want to use Tom Holland. Tom Holland, because it would confuse people with the mcu. And this is not part of the mcu. But, like, even in the second one, I think Venom gets transported to the MCU and then in another movie gets transported back before he has a chance to do anything. You're just like, what was. What was the point of that? Like this. Yeah, the whole thing is just messy and silly. But I think. [00:14:21] Speaker A: I think what happened was this movie was kind of being tossed around a lot since Amazing Spider man took place, and then kind of got curbed once Amazing Spider Man 2 flopped like a fish out of water. And then once it actually went to production, Spider man had already been established in the Disney mcu. So they didn't want to put their own Spider man in, in hopes that one day they could bring these two worlds together. They could bring the Tom Holland Spider man into this world that they were building, this Spider man less world. Which is another reason why they went from R rating to a PG13 rating, which I also think maybe was a mistake for this kind of character movie as well. So I think there was multiple reasons why Spider man wasn't there, and I don't know if any of it's going to pan out for Sony in the end. [00:15:19] Speaker B: Yeah, let's. Let's talk about that. That R rating, PG 13, kind of the. The curb of violence that they use in this movie. Sometimes he's eating people's heads, other times they're making jokes about him eating people's heads. At the end, he ends up eating that guy, apparently entirely because the body was gone when he walks out of the store. No blood or anything. And Mrs. Chang, or whatever her name was, almost seemed amused by it. And I'm like, you just saw this thing annihilate a human being in front of you, even if this guy's been robbing you all the time. That was weird to me. When he's fighting people and they're like throwing them around the room when I know he could be ripping them in half. So he's fighting riot on the landing pad and they are blasting through steel girders like they are made of butter. Just ripping through it like it's paper. I know that when he's fighting these SWAT team guys, he could be ripping them in half and smashing them into pieces, and it's not happening. There is so little gore, so little violence in this. And they could have really made it a rampage of violence if they wanted to. And I think that would have been a better direction to go. [00:16:35] Speaker C: I actually am kind of okay with it being PG13 simply because my twins like this movie quite a bit. And it feels like this is kind of more made for them. You know what I mean? Like, not trying to be. To be rude, but, like, if this was made as a hardcore R movie, I don't know who would be made for. Because, like, it's not smart enough for adults, but. But it'd be too gory for kids. It just feels like it'd be in this weird position. Drastically. Yeah. Which would be. Okay. [00:17:03] Speaker B: Completely different movie. And that's what I want. [00:17:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:06] Speaker B: I want a darker Venom. It doesn't. And I don't care if it's a demonic presence within Eddie. I don't care. I need more depth if you're going to bring in Tom Holland or Hardy. I need more depth in these characters. I need a deeper story and a stronger plot. I need better writing than this because this felt lame to me. It. For me, it was kind of boring. The buddy cop thing was. It was okay. That was probably the highlight of it. And that's not what I signed on for. They had the opportunity for violence to be used well in this. It doesn't have to be graphically violent, but they had opportunity to use violence to showcase shocking events. None of that happened. We did not have that kind of depth. Everything felt watered down and very simple to me. I wanted more. [00:17:51] Speaker C: Yeah, there is a Spider Man. Sorry. Venom run from, like, I want to say the late 90s, mid to late 90s. That's not spirit of Vengeance, That's Ghost Rider, something with vengeance in the title. Where he leaves New York. Him and Spider man basically come to a truce. He goes to San Francisco, and that's where he becomes like the anti hero that he. He is in this movie, essentially. I think that would have been a better way to go because then you could have some hint of Spider man in this universe, but you don't have to actually show him. [00:18:20] Speaker D: You. [00:18:20] Speaker C: You could have the actual Venom costume with the spider on the front, which I think would look cooler and make him stand out a little bit more. Because the end fight scene where you've got Venom versus Riot, which is essentially a black Symbiote versus a slightly less black symbiote. And I can't tell what's going on in this night scene. Like, it was better on my tv, but when I watched this in the theaters with a buddy, I literally had no idea what was going on for probably, like eight minutes there where they're just fighting on the side of a rocket. I'm like, I don't know. Are we winning? Hope so. But if they'd done that, where it's like, okay, it doesn't need to be a. An origin story. We're gonna say that he already started off. Maybe do, like, through cutscenes at the very beginning. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Like. [00:18:57] Speaker C: Like, just give a bit of the story. Just enough to, you know that, like, yeah, Venom's from outer space. He merged with Eddie Brock. They hate Spider man, but they've decided to leave New York, so they're going to San Francisco and they're going to start their life over again and go. And you could have had a bit more of those elements of Eddie Brock. You could have threatened meeting up with Spider man at some point. We don't have to see which Spider man it is. It could have been more interesting than just what is here. I mean, we. We could say this over and over again. We can name, like, eight different movie plots. They all would have been more interesting than what was here. But I don't know. I would have loved to have seen Spider man in this in some capacity. Even if it is just like somebody mentions his name and we see the spider on the front of Venom's shirt. [00:19:36] Speaker A: Right. Are you talking about Lethal Protector? [00:19:39] Speaker C: That comic book, it might be lethal. I thought vengeance was in the title, but Lethal Protector sounds very like. That is what they call Venom. So that makes sense. [00:19:46] Speaker A: That was a comic book run. And I. I think they had to with. With negating Spider Man's existence or whatever they're doing here. I think they had to go straight to the anti hero vibe for this character. Otherwise, I don't know how easy it is to relate to the character or care for the character. Not that I don't know, to be honest. Venom's character was probably the best character in the movie. Eddie's was not. But Venom as a character, I felt was the best character in this movie. [00:20:20] Speaker C: To clarify, do you mean when they're together or do you mean literally the goo running around? [00:20:24] Speaker A: I just mean the consciousness of, you know, Tom Hardy as Venom is the. Is the. Is the only character that was actually fleshed out, which is funny to say. Whereas all the other characters in this movie just seemed very like Brian said, paper thin. Like I don't know what is going on. And I know that this movie had reshoots and issues and things and maybe that's part of it. Two different scripts, I don't know. But it just felt like Tom Hardy and Venom were in a different movie than everybody else in this movie, except for maybe the store clerk. She was kind of in on the fun, like she doesn't give a. And you know, everything's a joke. And maybe the boyfriend, the boyfriend was like this, like, I love Eddie Brock, man. He's a great reporter. I'll do anything for that guy. Which was kind of a fun spin on, like, oh, everybody hates the new boyfriend. This guy was like such a likable dude who wanted to do everything that he could to help Eddie Brock out. And that was kind of a fun take. [00:21:29] Speaker B: I did like that take as well. [00:21:30] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:21:31] Speaker A: Yeah, that felt like kind of in the movie vein. But every other character was not in the vein of this movie at all, I felt. And so maybe that was the biggest problem for me is that either the director didn't know how to sync up these scripts or the direction changed so much between, oh, we need this to be Marvel joke after joke instead of dark and serious toned and they just didn't mesh up at all. And that really stood out to me. Yeah. [00:21:59] Speaker B: Yet so much of the movie is cast in a dark, gritty light. Like I, like I said earlier, Tom Hardy is constantly looking dirty and disheveled, like he's sweaty and thrown up on himself, all that. Like he's always gross looking to me. And even the movie poster is, is dark shades. The whole movie is almost entirely done at night. There's very few daylight scenes. They go through the, the, the laboratories at night. And it's, it's a very dark film, but it doesn't have that feel to it. It's comedic. It's punchy and, and fun and energetic and kind of laugh at and not very serious. And yeah, I think they were pretty [00:22:40] Speaker C: smart to make most of this movie at night because when you do see the CGI in daylight or in well lit rooms, it doesn't look great. So I think having it at the nighttime helps out quite a bit. [00:22:53] Speaker B: No, I like the, I like the, the look. I didn't necessarily. I could have used Tom Hardy to bath a few more times. Like he just looks so dirty all the time. Like from the very get go he wakes up and his hair, he's got bedhead and he never loses the bed head throughout the entire film. [00:23:09] Speaker C: I was looking 2018. [00:23:11] Speaker B: They dunk him in the ocean at the end. He's still got a cowlick. It's just ridiculous. So. Yeah, but, but I did like the dark feel and I think that's the way they should have gone. You bring up the CGI on it. I wasn't impressed with the look of Venom through a lot of this. He did look a little bulbous or something kind of weird. A little shiny. A little too shiny maybe. I'm not sure. The look of it wasn't amazing to me. [00:23:35] Speaker C: I had a really hard time making the thumbnail for this one because, like every photo I found of him where it's like a still shot just didn't look good. Like, I don't know why, like when it's moving, it wasn't as noticeable. But when I was trying to find stills from the movie, I'm just like, that doesn't look like Venom. That doesn't look like Venom. That doesn't look like Venom. Like there's just something off with the shape of his head. I'm not sure. But there's a point where Venom eats somebody's head. And then I want to say, oh, no, it's, it's, it's Michelle Williams. Michelle Williams eats somebody's head and then instantly gives the Venom suit to Eddie Brock. Where did that head grow? Who, who is processing the protein and whatnot from that skull? Like, it, it's just. Is it, is it in her? Does she know how to. Do you want that? [00:24:18] Speaker B: Same thing at the end of the movie when Venom eats the entire guy, immediately turns into Eddie Brock and walks out of the store. Where's the mass transmission there? Where does this huge 10 foot venom go when he gets absorbed inside of Eddie Brock? [00:24:32] Speaker A: What symbiote thing? Obviously it's, you know, they instantly metabolize this. [00:24:37] Speaker C: It's a symbiote. You wouldn't understand. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Obviously it's the alien side or otherwise we'd understand it as humans. Right. [00:24:44] Speaker B: Fourth dimensional being maybe. I don't know. No, she eats the guy's head, transforms into herself again. And she's like, I just ate a guy. And Eddie Brock makes that joke. He's like, yeah, yeah, I know. It's, it's, it's really tough to get over there. He makes a joke. It was kind of funny, but again, that's not what, that's not what I wanted. I wanted like that's, that's a seriously traumatic event for her to go through. They could have keyed in on that and been real about it, and it could have been amazing. [00:25:11] Speaker C: Most of this movie is a pretty traumatic event for her to go through, and she's doing okay at the end of it, regardless. [00:25:17] Speaker A: She's on the short end of the stick for most of this movie. I do like that you brought up the she Venom, because that character actually plays she Venom in the comics. And I think there is a lot of nods to the comic book lore in this movie throughout. I mean, Venom is dark comic quips throughout the comics as well. But my question to you gentlemen, is she Venom? Is. Is Michelle Williams character kissing Eddie Brock, or is Venom kissing Eddie Brock? [00:25:50] Speaker B: I felt like it was Venom. Honestly, I. I had that same question. [00:25:54] Speaker A: That's what I thought. [00:25:55] Speaker B: And then she even asked him at the end of the movie, do you want to talk about that kiss? You know, and. And I'm like. And I'm like, yeah, Eddie doesn't want to talk about that kiss, because he knows he was getting tongue from. From the big guy over here. [00:26:05] Speaker C: That's. I think it's. Didn't Eddie ask her, do you want to talk about that kiss? And she was like, oh, that never happened. Which kind of leads into Will's theory, right? [00:26:14] Speaker A: I'm glad I'm not the only one. Like, I thought maybe you guys are gonna think I'm crazy. [00:26:19] Speaker C: No, that makes a lot of sense, actually. That's. [00:26:21] Speaker A: That's why I lean towards Rom com over Buddy Cop, because these guys are trying to figure out their relationship, and they are kind of infatuated with each other by the end a little bit. [00:26:30] Speaker B: And, Mike, that situation, though. [00:26:33] Speaker C: Venom's kind of forcing himself onto Eddie for a good chunk of the movie, which is a little. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Again, aliens, you know, they work in their own way, but that's. That's. That's how it goes. [00:26:42] Speaker C: He moves in mysterious ways. [00:26:45] Speaker B: My kids were like. My kids were like, they don't need to kiss. Venom can just press himself into his chest. And I'm like, yeah, I know. That's a little. It's a little. Little rapey there. [00:26:58] Speaker A: Yikes. [00:26:59] Speaker C: Put that on the poster. Venom. It's a little rap. [00:27:06] Speaker A: All right, so I've been harping a lot on the movie. I. And I'm gonna harp a lot more. [00:27:13] Speaker B: Probably I don't have much good to say. Honestly. Sorry. [00:27:16] Speaker A: There was something that I. As bad as the writing is in this movie, I thought there was a very interesting fun. And this is, like, minor, minor moment here coming up, so don't get too excited. The hospital with the little dog. Venom goes into that little dog. [00:27:31] Speaker C: Yep. [00:27:31] Speaker A: The name tag on the dog is Gemini, which I thought was a pretty funny name because the twins, dual personalities. I thought that was a fun play. Okay, that's all I got. [00:27:41] Speaker B: Oh, I missed that one. [00:27:42] Speaker C: That's it. That's all I got. [00:27:46] Speaker A: That was the extent of the clever writing in this film, as far as I'm concerned. Wow. [00:27:51] Speaker C: Okay, fair enough. [00:27:53] Speaker A: I mean, the rest, even the action sequences started pretty decently, but went downhill fast for me. Yeah, the more CGI they became, the less interested I was in watching it. [00:28:07] Speaker C: I really think they should not have had a second symbiote in this movie. I think having Venom versus that thing as the finals fight was kind of silly and ridiculous and actually will make the less. The next movie less impactful because then it's just him going as another symbiote. Like, it's not. It's not something special. It's something we've already. [00:28:30] Speaker B: Holy. [00:28:31] Speaker D: Told you. [00:28:32] Speaker C: I don't know who the Venom villain would have been if not Spider man or another symbiote, but something almost literally [00:28:40] Speaker B: anything, just, like, tooled up with specialized weaponry that would have kind of incapacitated Venom. And Eddie Brock has to go up as his human form to help Venom, and they work together to get through the problem. They could have just had a technological kind of enemy in there or something. [00:29:00] Speaker C: So they're trying to do a Sinister Six movie. Like, they've got their Morbius. They got Craven. Like, they're trying to build towards something. They did have Vulture appear in Morbius. You could have had, like, a Dr. Octopus. Not. Not that he would go against Dr. Octopus, but somebody like that who's like a tech manufacturer who builds something that Eddie Brock has to fight against. Not I. I hope it wouldn't just be like a faceless robot, but like, maybe something that Drake could wear put on or something. [00:29:24] Speaker B: They could have done him right. [00:29:25] Speaker C: That would have actually been interesting. The sonic good would have messed Venom up. Like, how do you defeat something? Somebody who's got your weakness on a stick. [00:29:31] Speaker A: Yeah. I also think the. The Drake character was just such a waste. Like, there's potential there. His only, like, one note. Oh, send in another. [00:29:44] Speaker B: You know, that bothered me. That sequence. [00:29:47] Speaker A: It just died. [00:29:48] Speaker B: Just. [00:29:49] Speaker C: Just do it. [00:29:49] Speaker B: And she, like, looks at him like, I don't feel comfortable about this. Like, come on. That doesn't just happen like that. You build to that. Or. [00:29:57] Speaker C: Or. [00:29:57] Speaker B: Or you have scientist employees who are already evil and on Board with it, [00:30:02] Speaker C: like, right [00:30:06] Speaker B: with you, and they're all on the same page. Or you don't just say send in the next one and people in the room feel uncomfortable. That doesn't happen. That was just stupid. I didn't like that problem too, is [00:30:18] Speaker A: like, it was just so one note. I was as to like, oh, it's a symbiotic relationship. They, we'll just have to find the right person. That doesn't make any sense. Try taking one of these symbiotes apart and like utilizing parts of them, putting it into other people and seeing how that reacts. And then you could get an amped up Drake at the end that has some sort of symbiotic tendencies that he's extracted from this alien specimen. Like, there's so many other avenues science would take this, that this wasn't, it [00:30:50] Speaker C: was just send in another one. [00:30:52] Speaker B: It was the worst science I've ever [00:30:53] Speaker A: seen in my life. [00:30:54] Speaker B: I was, I was kind of waiting for them to be like, oh, okay, so the symbiotes can combine, but then the symbiote needs to eat living human flesh or something like that to sustain itself and, and finish this mitosis, this process or whatever. I'm throwing up scientific buzzwords to finish this process. Right? And they aren't feeding them the right things. They say we're giving them enough nutrients to, you know, hydrate an elephant or whatever, but they're not giving them the right things. And so I thought maybe Drake would come in contact with the symbiote and then eat somebody because he's a bad guy and be like, oh, that's the key where now I can empower myself and become a symbiote or whatever. That wasn't it, though. That had nothing to do with it. It's just Venom likes to eat people. [00:31:35] Speaker A: Those. [00:31:36] Speaker C: I, I, yeah, I don't like the idea that the symbiotes aren't symbiotic. Right. Like they're, they're eating their hosts. With potentially the exception of, of Eddie. But even then, we're not entirely sure that venom isn't eating Eddie as well and just lying to him. He's killing you from the inside. He's like, no, don't worry, I can fix it. Eddie. [00:31:56] Speaker B: It looks like a good pancreas. Or do you want to go eat somebody? And then he's like, okay, let's go eat somebody. Like, really? You're holding my pancreas hostage. [00:32:02] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I know. That's a weird understanding. The comics are like, like, it's the reason Spider man doesn't want to bond with him is because they find out that the Venom symbiote is trying to bond permanently. And that's what he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not do this. But I don't believe that it's. He's eating Spider man from the inside out. I don't think that's what the case is or ever has been. And yeah, the fact that it's like, oh, we can't find the right merger. We're just going to keep eating these people until we get to something. Even if it had been like, okay, we were throwing homeless people at them, and the homeless people don't have a good diet, so they don't have healthy. Whatever. So, like, the symbiotes aren't. Aren't wanting to merge with them because, like, like the symbiotes are rejecting them because they want a healthy host. Even that would be, like, kind of interesting and would make sense for why they all of a sudden attached to Eddie and attached to Drake. No problem. Because they're both theoretically eating healthier and they're. They're in their prime versus these homeless people who are, you know, degenerating right on the side of the road like [00:32:58] Speaker B: anything other than simple trial and error, which wasn't. Wasn't. That's not how scientists work. Not cutting edge scientists. And then no structure at all to it. No. No real reason. It's just got lucky. And then I forget the main bad guy's name again goes into the little. Yeah, Drake's symbiote. Whatever. [00:33:19] Speaker C: His. [00:33:19] Speaker B: Right, right. Thank you. I keep wanting to say Carnage. That's next week. So Riot goes into the little girl, seeks out Drake and seems to have perfect symbiosis. Why? [00:33:33] Speaker C: Yeah, why Eddie? [00:33:34] Speaker B: Why Drake? Give me a reason. Make it work for me. [00:33:39] Speaker C: That's a good point. Because Riot never had an issue. Riot has like, six hosts over the course of the movie and none of [00:33:44] Speaker B: them for six months. [00:33:46] Speaker C: Six months walking towards the States. [00:33:48] Speaker B: Just walking. [00:33:50] Speaker A: Now, my wonder fair in that scene, though, he Riot, he. It blades a whole bunch of people around them and then specifically eyeballs the old lady. So maybe Riot actually knew what they were looking for in a host. [00:34:07] Speaker B: Maybe. Or maybe she was the only one left standing because she was behind the guy, directly in front of him. I don't know. [00:34:12] Speaker C: Maybe. Sure. But if you're looking for a strong host, she would not have been the strongest person there. [00:34:16] Speaker B: She was all weak and crippled and he, like, fixed her. [00:34:18] Speaker C: Kind of leads towards Will's point though, like, maybe there is some sort of a chemistry that needs to happen and he could sense it in her that he couldn't. I don't know. I'm stretching pretty hard on. [00:34:26] Speaker B: Wrote the rest of the script with crayons. Why don't they spell that one out for us? [00:34:32] Speaker A: It is true. Venom willingly gives up that sound and fire are his weakness. They will. He willing gives up that he's a loser among his creature society. Like, he willingly gives up everything. And I'm just like, why? What are you doing? Why are you doing this? It's so weird and like, such bad writing to. Instead of, you know, tell us, show us. Like, there's so many ways to do that. I just. I just didn't. I didn't like that at all. [00:35:05] Speaker C: They mentioned, like, Riot, as we said, was in like seven different people over the course of this movie. Didn't seem to really bother any of them. Venom went through a host of people before getting to his. And they do specify he is a loser. Maybe he doesn't have the same capabilities that Riot does to like, you know, like, take what he needs without destroying the person inside. You know, like, he's got shoes you've never seen. Yeah, that was so fucking spoiler alert. [00:35:29] Speaker B: They're just blade like objects. Yeah. [00:35:31] Speaker C: Well, and my understanding is it's literally funded, fueled by imagination, which is why Carnage has access to so many different things. Because he is a sociopath. And Venom just doesn't think to do that. He's just like, I'll just be stronger than you. That's the only difference between Venom and Carnage are. [00:35:47] Speaker A: Are symbiotes the Green Lanterns of the Marvel Universe. [00:35:50] Speaker C: Kinda, like, I don't think they can, like, create guns and shoot things. Like, he can. Like, he can make mechanics and whatnot. But like tendrils and things. But they can do tendrils, they can do knives, they can do axes. Like all that kind of weird stuff. It's just Venom never thinks to do it. [00:36:04] Speaker B: And Carnage, yeah, grabs the heavy object and smashes people with it. He's like a Hulk version of it. [00:36:10] Speaker C: Well, the whole point is Eddie is an idiot. Like, that's literally the point of the character. [00:36:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And in the comics, he's an idiot in this. [00:36:17] Speaker A: He's an idiot in this. That's for sure. [00:36:18] Speaker B: Eddie Brock, kind of like a bodybuilder type. Kind of like a muscle guy in. In the comments. [00:36:24] Speaker A: Kind of the quick background is like, he was raised very Catholic. His mother died giving birth to him. His father Was angry all the time because of that and wasn't the nicest of people. Eddie, I think, killed somebody in a motor accident and was supposed to go to jail and wanted to serve his time, but his father didn't want that to happen. And then he was going into, like, this news thing and got bested by Spider man, which really gave him a complex. So instead of living life, he focused on shredding his body and taking it. Taking revenge on Spider man, which just happened to play out. That Venom helped him really bulk up. But he was. Yeah, he's supposed to be a. A quite a muscular man. [00:37:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:15] Speaker B: Meanwhile, Eddie Brock is trying to find a good story. Yeah, it. You know, is he even. Yeah, he's trying to find a good rating. Woke up with bedhead, and that's it. We don't have any more deaths to his character. Yeah. [00:37:35] Speaker A: So I think, in my mind, the only logical explanation why people enjoy this movie. Dan, correct me if I'm wrong. [00:37:44] Speaker C: I'll do it again. [00:37:46] Speaker A: Venom is a fun, badass character, and there's a lot of, you know, badass things. And this is probably the best interpretation we've seen of him on the big screen. I mean, the only other occurrence was Spider Man 3. So it's not a competition, not a high bar. Yeah. But people have really wanted a Venom movie they can sink their teeth into. You know what I'm saying? So this is. I think after Spider Man 3, people are just like, I'll take anything. I'll take any. Give me anything else. I'll go with. I won't run with anything. Just keep making venom movies. [00:38:25] Speaker C: Well, three would have been 2005, 2006. [00:38:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:30] Speaker A: Somewhere. [00:38:30] Speaker C: So, like, it's. [00:38:31] Speaker A: It's like a good while. [00:38:32] Speaker C: 15. Well, 13 years. [00:38:34] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure Venom came out when Marvel was in a slump. Right? [00:38:38] Speaker C: No, I think this one came out when they were, like, going strong. Was it because this movie made a lot of money? And my guess is that's because it was kind of in that range where, like, you had Black Panther, the two Avengers movies, like, even Captain Britain, Captain Marvel. Like, all the movies at that point were like, billion dollar hit, billion dollar hit, billion dollar hit. And venom made, like, $850 million or something. Like, it made a good chunk of money. This was not slammed by. [00:39:06] Speaker A: Slammed by critics, but audiences really enjoyed it. [00:39:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:09] Speaker A: And I'm going to mention here Bubba Hotep saying, yet Spider Man 3 version was better. [00:39:14] Speaker C: Now, I will say hard disagreement. [00:39:17] Speaker A: I will say Eddie Brock was better in Spider Man 3. Venom was not. That's. That's how I am going to divide it. I think. [00:39:26] Speaker C: I think, like, the one thing you mentioned about Eddie Brock is that he's a bodybuilder. And even though Tom Hardy isn't huge in this movie, he's still a big guy. Topher Grace has never intimidated anybody. [00:39:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I didn't like Topher Grace's Eddie [00:39:37] Speaker A: Brock, but at least he had. He had the Eddie Brock of the comic books attitude of I hate Spider Man, I am Venom is vengeful. [00:39:46] Speaker B: He had more depth of character. I don't like. I didn't like Topher Grace as Eddie Brock, but the character that Topher Grace was supposed to portray, yeah, it was a better, richer character. [00:39:55] Speaker C: He had all the moving pieces around him that Venom is supposed to have, and those were all removed from Tom Hardy. Nothing to work off. [00:40:03] Speaker B: I wonder if they were to put Tom Hardy in place of Topher Grace, if that would have been a little bit better, improved it. [00:40:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, just put anybody with some sort of stature in there, maybe. [00:40:15] Speaker B: So. So about the. The only thing I can say about this movie on a positive note is that it is going to hold up well. It's fee. I mean, we're going into. We're going to be hitting number three, which I haven't seen yet. So two and three, and it's going to progress and go somewhere and they're tying it in, apparently. So I think it does kind of hold up well. Or it will hold up well. I don't know. I. I guess that we'll have to. We'll have to see. This one doesn't so much as fall apart for me as it actually kind of has me questioning some things and wondering about stuff. My kids and I have some theories about things that were said and done and if it leads into other things and. And maybe it does. I don't know. But it. It holds up well enough. Maybe not the look of it. The CGI is already looking pretty poor to me. But the scoring on the film surprised me in that it wasn't a little bit better. It had some good music to it. The sound effects weren't riveting. Like, they didn't really pull me in as well as they could have. Like, there were some fight scenes, like in the smoke with the gas, the. Of grenades being launched and stuff like that. [00:41:24] Speaker D: Didn't. [00:41:25] Speaker B: It wasn't bad, but it could have been better, I guess. But then you have that Eminem song, the Venom song from Eminem, and I keep waiting for the song to Play. And lo and behold, I don't get it until the movie's over. And that might have been why the song was so good, because I'm done watching this crappy film. So, yeah, the. The music was okay, could have been better, and I think the movie holds up pretty well, but that's, like, the best I can I can say for this. Otherwise, this barely gets a passing grade everywhere for me. I'll just give you the score then. It's a. I came up with a 69, and after talking with you guys, it might even be a 68. I'm giving it a 69 and leave it there. [00:42:09] Speaker D: Oh, that's nice. [00:42:12] Speaker B: Well, it just wasn't that great of a movie. Entertaining, if you like Venom, but not great. [00:42:19] Speaker C: That. Okay, I don't feel as crazy as I did. Yay. Will, do you want to go next, then? [00:42:27] Speaker A: Sure. [00:42:28] Speaker B: What. [00:42:29] Speaker A: What is left to say to me? This movie. I'll sum it up. This movie was like Michelle Williams wig. It stood out in all the wrong ways in this movie. Oh, that's the only real interesting part was Tom Hardy on Tom Hardy, because Tom Hardy did the voice of Venom. Tom Hardy did Eddie Brock. Unfortunately, Eddie Brock was so meh that it was only like, kind of the physicality of him kind of being controlled by Venom that was of any interest. And there was a couple quips here and there of them talking back and forth to each other. That was slightly entertaining, but the. The plot is kind of a disaster. It felt so forced that they were like, we have to remove Spider Man. We have to ensure it's PG13 so that we could potentially move in on Spider man later. We have to try to build this world for all these. It's Sony trying to do the Disney MCU thing but rushing it. And I feel like that was a problem with majority of the Sony movies that were the comic book movies being made at the time. I haven't seen any of the others, so I'm looking forward. I love Carnage. When I first watched this movie in theaters, my favorite part of the movie was seeing Woody Harrelson as a psychopath. And I'm like, this is. This is well cast. How did you get this guy on board? Then I saw the director of Zombie man was the same director as this. So obviously they know each other. So Woody's like, yeah, I'll do you a solid. So I am looking forward to seeing Carnage, because Carnage is the murderous mayhem I want to see on the screen. And maybe we'll get that. But I don't have high hopes after seeing this movie. Finally, how could I not comment on the Stan Lee cameo who was also in on the joke of the movie being like, I'm glad you guys are working on your issues. And I'm like, again, are you talking about the romantic relationship with his ex fiance? Are you talking about Venom and Eddie? I just have no idea. But it's always nice to see Stan Lee cameos, so I'll take it when I can. Overall, I don't feel this is a great comic book movie. I don't feel that the actors were utilized in this. I feel the writing was terrible, the direction was terrible, they couldn't work in between the two or three different versions of the script that the production company wanted them to mash together. And I really don't think this movie is going to hold up over time all that well either. Overall, this is a solid 50 out of 100. If you love Venom, you might have fun with this movie. Otherwise, I don't think you're going to enjoy this as a. As a well put together movie. I just don't think you will. [00:45:18] Speaker C: As I've mentioned before, and I will mention again, this is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. And I don't often say that I've got guilty pleasures because usually if I like something, I just like it unabashedly. But I can't point to any part of this movie that I go, that's really well done or that's really good. They've got some phenomenal actors in this and give them basically nothing to do. You've got some passable cgi, which is a little bit generous, but we'll go with it. You've got no real character development from the main character, which is kind of inexcusable. He's a dick at the beginning and he's kind of a dick at the end. He never really seems to even understand what he did wrong anywhere along the way. He's convinced he's going to get the girl back at the very end of the movie and nothing seems to shown him that. That's just straight up never going to happen because she's moved on and she's better than you. Whatever. Anyways, as far as the buddy cop movie goes, this is pretty fun. Unfortunately, that's only one third of this movie, but I still did really enjoy that one third of the movie. I was looking through my scores of other movies and it felt weird where this one landed because I like it more than I like some of the ones that I rated. Higher than this. But if I'm being true, I can't rate this higher than it is. When you look at all the pieces to this movie, the sound, the music is fine. The CGI is passable because it's in the dark. The acting is, I'm sorry, bad. The plot is basically non existent. But the enjoyment level for me, for whatever reason is pretty high. And so this one comes in at a 72. [00:46:39] Speaker D: Outstanding. [00:46:41] Speaker C: Which means again, I'm always the top or the bottom. And I swear to God, I'm not doing that on purpose. [00:46:48] Speaker A: You reminded me with the. The Eddie Brock, like having no, no knowledge of his surroundings. When Venom coaxes him into being like, apologize to her. Also, why is Venom like her so much? It makes no sense. She's trying to know, but she's pretty [00:47:08] Speaker C: hot in this movie. But yeah, I don't know symbiotes feel about women. [00:47:11] Speaker B: I don't know. The haircut distracted me. [00:47:13] Speaker A: The haircut, haircut, wig. Yeah, but he's like, apologize to her. And he's like, oh, yeah, sure, sure. And he just apologizes for every wrong thing he's ever done. Which was like the worst apology I could ever imagine. [00:47:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a really. [00:47:27] Speaker A: It's a non apology. [00:47:28] Speaker C: It was the worst for a journalist. No, no doubt. Somebody who's supposed to be good with their words. He is with words. This entire movie I was like this, [00:47:40] Speaker A: please don't get these two characters back together. And then I was like, they're not getting back together. Venom. [00:47:44] Speaker C: There I was legit happy they didn't get back together. Like, I'm glad that at least Michelle Williams was smart enough to be. Or Annie or whatever it is was at least smart enough to be like, [00:47:54] Speaker B: no, I wish they would have positioned it. They sort of did. But I wish they would have been like really pushed at home that he did not want to be around her because he had Venom with him and he felt that was a danger to her. Whether it be Venom doing something. Not really, but more the drama and danger that Venom can bring in to Eddie's life. And he wanted to separate that from her, you know, like a. Like a secret identity kind of situation. I think that would have been a great way for them to separate. It felt like maybe that's what they were touching on there. But instead it was more. She's just like, yeah, I'm good with the other guy. [00:48:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I wish she would have pushed. I think you're a fucking douchebag. And you threw me under the bus and never properly apologized. I Don't want to be with somebody like that. [00:48:39] Speaker B: That would have been nice, too, actually. Character. [00:48:41] Speaker A: Give her something in this movie somewhere, please, for the love of everything. Yeah, give her something. [00:48:46] Speaker C: Yeah, no, that's. That's a good. But that was better than what I was gonna say, so I'll leave it at that. [00:48:50] Speaker A: All right, what do we got overall here, man? [00:48:53] Speaker C: Overall, this puts it just under evil between Evil Dead and Gremlins. Ironically, we had Zach at the very beginning of this episode, and we just beat him out with Venom. But I can almost guarantee you by the time this franchise is done, Gremlins is gonna be looking pretty good. Pretty good. I have not seen Venom 3. I've seen Venom Car. Let There Be Carnage, which is a terrible title. Once, me, maybe twice. Not necessarily looking forward to that one. I do want to see the Last dance, just because I've never seen it, but I'm not expecting much, so maybe [00:49:23] Speaker B: this was back in my days when I partook of the ganja, But I have seen Let There Be Carnage one time, and I remember being much more enjoyable than the first movie. So we'll see when I revisit. My kids will be watching it with me, and they'll maybe influence my decision a little bit, but I could be swinging for the fences on the next one. Who knows? [00:49:42] Speaker A: It's a different. [00:49:44] Speaker C: That's a fair point. I've been watching. Okay, well, I never really touched on this. I saw this in theaters with a buddy. We both had a good time, and I've seen this with my kids probably three times, and they laugh every time. So there's a good chance that is raising my. My esteem of this movie. Watching with my kids, having them laugh, enjoying, like, the time spent with them, that definitely plays a part versus me watching this by myself. I don't know that I would ever put this on by myself. [00:50:06] Speaker A: So there's this on by myself. [00:50:09] Speaker B: I'm certainly never going to put this on. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Thank you for that. I had to put it on by myself. And that being said, I also think Carnage. Carnage might have the advantage as well, because they got the. You know, the stupid. Here's how Venom came to me. Origins out of the way. They can now just focus on having the fun of Carnage, ripping it up. I haven't seen the movie. I don't know, but I'm guessing it could be better. They could have learned from some of their mistakes, but I. [00:50:38] Speaker B: Or double down on them. [00:50:40] Speaker C: I don't remember it well enough. We'll talk about this next week. [00:50:45] Speaker B: Let's not change anything at all. [00:50:48] Speaker C: Kind of my. I think we're going to be discussing next week a lot of what we discussed this week in the sense of why on earth isn't this R rated. I think that's going to be the big problem we're gonna have. If I remember correctly. [00:50:58] Speaker A: We'll find out next week in there especially yeah. [00:51:00] Speaker C: In the title, no less. All right. And that has been our rating of Venom. What do you think of the score? Was it way too, way too low? Let us know in the comments down below. I'd love to hear from you. Next week we're going to be doing Let There Be Carnage. I can almost guarantee that score will not be the same as this one. Although maybe Will says he likes it better. Find out next week on our rating and we'll see you then. I hate that so much. Oh, well, [00:51:32] Speaker D: Sam.