Ep 90 - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: When his father goes missing and foul play is suspected, Indiana Jones, one of the world's leading archaeologists goes from searching for relics to searching for relatives. [00:00:19] Speaker B: Completely overrated. [00:00:20] Speaker C: Hello, everybody, and welcome back to our rating. The show where I get together with two of my friends, we take a movie franchise, break it down by movie, give an overall score, and then throw it back up on the board. If you're watching this at Twitch, remember to hit the follow button. If you're on YouTube, hit Subscribe. And if you listen to the audio version, please leave a five star rating. It does help out the show quite a bit. I'm joined, as always, by Brian and Will. Brian, how are you doing this week? [00:00:41] Speaker B: I'm good, Dan. How are you doing? [00:00:43] Speaker C: I'm doing very well. I'm doing very well. We're very busy around here at my house, but it's. Things are moving well. Things are very exciting. We put an offer in on the new house and they accept. Accepted it. So now we just need to sell our house and we'll be in great shape. Will, how are you doing this week? [00:00:58] Speaker A: I'm doing a. Okay. I'm excited to, you know, get to the end of this franchise and move on to the. Well, shoot, we have two more after this, don't we? [00:01:07] Speaker C: We're getting to the end of the good part of the franchise. You know what? [00:01:11] Speaker A: I'm gonna take that back, though. They ride off into the sunset. That's the end to me. [00:01:15] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:01:15] Speaker A: I don't. [00:01:16] Speaker C: Well, and they're immortal too, so. Yeah, whatever. I'm actually pretty excited to watch the next one again. I haven't seen it very long time and I've never seen Dialog Destiny. So, like, I'm harping on them based on other people's opinions more so than my own. So I'm curious to go back to those ones. But anyways, this week we're talking about Indiana Jones and the last crusade from 1989. I ask this every week. I know what the answer is. Has this your first time watching this one, Will? [00:01:38] Speaker A: No. [00:01:40] Speaker C: Brian? [00:01:41] Speaker B: No. [00:01:43] Speaker C: Good talk. All right. [00:01:45] Speaker A: What about you, dad? Oh, wait, you just said you. [00:01:49] Speaker C: Oh, my. No, no, no, no, no. This is very. [00:01:54] Speaker B: You know, when it first came out, I think I saw this in theaters. It was. I had a great time watching it then. I've watched it probably a dozen times since. And at the watch party this. This last Sunday, I had a great time watching it again because I really like this movie. [00:02:10] Speaker C: Very nice. I saw it in theaters. That would. You'd Been like, not agey, but like seven or something. Like, you're doing young. [00:02:16] Speaker B: I'd have been pretty young because this. This came out in what, like, 89? Oh, was it 89? Yeah, yeah, I was real young. [00:02:24] Speaker C: I. I definitely did not see this one in theaters. This would be a good watch in theaters, though. Like, this. This is a pretty solid movie. And, like, we just rewatched this for the watch party. It holds up like. Like these special effects, like, really hold up. I think better than the previous two by quite a bit. Now, granted, it's, you know, seven years newer than the previous two. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Way better than number two. Way better than number two dot Number one's old and it gets an excuse. Number two. They. We talked about that. It tanked. The. The special effects were just. Were bad. They were just bad. And this one had great special effects. I was really happy when they went into the flying scene and you had the airplanes going around and you could see all that stuff put in there. You could see that they were doing some green screen stuff. Lot better attempt this time around than Temple of Doom. [00:03:10] Speaker C: Yeah, the. Sorry, go ahead, Will. [00:03:12] Speaker A: I mean, I was just gonna say they could have added maybe a wind machine to make it look like, you know, they had some gusts going around. The. It was so calm and so quiet. You could hear a pin drop out there. But aside from that, yeah, it looked. It looked fun. [00:03:27] Speaker C: Yeah, the. The plane sequences looked good from a distance. It was just when they did the close up of Harrison Ford and Sean Connery that you're like, oh, that's them just sitting in a studio somewhere, which, [00:03:36] Speaker B: I mean, of course they're talking in, like, room level volume, too. They weren't even yelling to each other. [00:03:42] Speaker A: Now they're chilling. [00:03:43] Speaker B: I was like, I can hear them. I'm deaf. I can hear them. What the heck? [00:03:46] Speaker C: Like, I feel like in Rage, the Lost Ark, you have the same thing like Indiana Jones in the back of a plane. And I feel like he's in the back of a plane. Like, he's actually yelling over the engine. He's like, got this. Well, he's got the snake and whatnot. Whereas in this one, they're just like, you know, basically just doing a side profile like this. Like, what do you say, dad? Let's go. Not exactly Chris Pratt riding a dinosaur, but, you know, pretty close. Yeah. There's one scene where you first see the zeppelin where it was clearly a painting, but they were smart enough to have that be a very quick scene. They're just like. You get a glimpse of what you're looking at, and then they're back to other stuff. Whereas I think Temple of Doom kind of like fucking focused on some of the scenery a little bit too long. There's like, that looks awful, but okay. [00:04:31] Speaker B: So I. I noticed a few things where they would mix a lower grade of effects, but they would come in strong with something else. For one instance, they had. They went down into the tunnels underneath the library, and there were rats, and they had the fire and stuff later. But, like, when they first go down in the tunnels and they're lighting everything with just the lighter, it was a really well lit, challenging shot to film because of the low light, but it looked really good. And I even said it in the watch part. I was like, wow, that was a hard scene to film. And then they moved into the next scene, and it wasn't near as good a lighting effect as the first. But unless you were really paying attention, because they let in so strong with a really good scene, you didn't notice that they moved on to more things where they were moving around a little bit further. They were going to be more challenging to light and everything. You didn't notice that it was kind of poorly lit or that there was light coming in from, like, ambient light in the tunnel. Like, a lot of times they do. Right. It's very challenging as a filmmaker to film dark scenes. For a long time, people just filmed things in the daylight and then filtered it to make it look black. You know, we saw that when we went over some of the spaghetti westerns. But this movie does. Does those sequences and, like, special effects, they'll come in with something strong where the special effects look really well. Then they'll throw in something like the blimp on a painting, and you're like, okay, it's quick. It moves past it. So they mixed it really well, where, unless you're really paying attention, the bad stuff was kind of sandwiched between, you know, the good stuff. Yeah, great point, if that makes any sense. But I was just. I was impressed with. Because they had a mix of good and bad scenes and. And they hid them really well. [00:06:15] Speaker A: And as always, they always have used lots of great practical effects. And in this iteration is no different. Lots of practical in this as well. [00:06:24] Speaker C: Agreed. All right, we kind of jump to, like, almost the end of the movie. Let's go back to the very beginning for a second here, because we talked about how iconic the beginning of Raiders is and how goofy the beginning of Temple of Doom is. This one with River Phoenix, I think, is not not nearly as iconic as the first one is, but it's a really nice setup. It kind of does that thing that like people mocked Solo for doing, where you're like, oh, and this is how he gets his whip and this is how he gets his hat and this is how he gets his jacket and. But it did it in a way that didn't feel super ham fisty, or at least didn't to me. Did it work okay for you guys or was it kind of okay, here we go. [00:07:00] Speaker A: I feel like they had seven or eight things and maybe if they had only three or four, it would have felt a little less ham fisted. It just there was. It was everything we know about Indiana Jones this kid learned and imprinted on in a 20 minute chase scene. So it was a little. It was a little hefty. It was a fun scene. But this movie more than any of the others felt like a PG movie, a family friendly movie. And the intro, maybe because it's a child, leaned into that hard. [00:07:33] Speaker C: I think it's actually a really good point. Yeah, they definitely toned down the gore, the scary parts, all that stuff from the first one. Like you do have Duncan at the very end turning to ash, but that's right. Pretty much it. I don't even. [00:07:47] Speaker B: You could watch it really, really slowly and it wouldn't bother you. [00:07:53] Speaker C: Like over a hundred years. [00:07:56] Speaker B: Sorry, sorry. Dumb joke. Edit that out. [00:07:59] Speaker C: No, no, that's. Dang. You can't get away from that. What did you think of the opening, Brian? [00:08:07] Speaker B: You know, I wasn't a big fan of the opening, to be honest. I think it's the weakest part of the movie. I do think that the characters portrayed all of themselves very well. They were great characters. I didn't like how you had this guy who is what Indy is going to grow up to look like. I didn't like that he had the whole get up. If it was just the hat, that would have been fine with me. But the hat, the jacket, the whip, all the whole thing. I'm like, what? Why is he just mimicking that dude? That dude wasn't cool enough to have his whole fit mimicked. So I didn't like that. We talked about him falling into the pit of snakes and how that got imprinted on him. And he's supposed to be 13, he looks like a 16 year old. And I just didn't feel like, you know, because at the beginning he's like, it's just a snake, don't worry about it. And then he falls into a pit of snakes. And he freaks out and suddenly he's just like, afraid of snakes for the rest of his life. I'm not buying it. You guys said it was okay. It didn't work for me. And the cheesiness of it was pushing. It was a bit kind of raunchy and campy and a little childish. It didn't take me out of it. But they definitely like, leaned, like Will was saying, leaned into that kid space and showed where this movie was going to be not quite as graphically violent and more family friendly. So I guess that's okay. But I. Nothing's gonna beat the original opener on the first movie. And this one didn't really come close to it for me. But it was. It was fun and I liked it. It wasn't a bad thing. It just. I didn't like it as much as other people did. [00:09:47] Speaker C: That's totally fair. I don't dislike that it's a little bit cheesy. [00:09:52] Speaker A: Like the. [00:09:52] Speaker C: The cheesiness of this one works for me. As opposed to the cheesiness of like chasing the diamond around the dance floor of Temple of Doom. I'm sorry, I'm just gonna keep harping on Temple of Doom. Now we've seen it. I can actually talk about my dislike for it. So, like, the cheesiness of this opening did kind of work for me. And you're right, it is more kid friendly. But that's like in my brain. Indiana Jones is kind of supposed to be a kid friendly experience. Like adults can enjoy it. It's not made for kids, but by and large, it's. It's fine. You know what I mean? Like, you have face melting scene in the first one. You can just close your eyes. You got really nothing in this one that's scary. And then you've got the entire second movie you can just skip. So you're fine. Also, I don't think he gets the whip from the. [00:10:33] Speaker A: No, he gets it in the train. [00:10:35] Speaker C: He gets it from the horse. [00:10:36] Speaker B: Yeah, the lion tamers ring. That's right. Yeah, that's that. That's it. But yeah, like. Like Will was saying, they throw every little thing into that sequence and it was like, wow, Indy was built in a day. It was a little. It was a little bit much. It was a bit much, sure. Yeah. [00:10:51] Speaker A: The other thing is it kind of takes away from. And not. Not that it ruins it by any means, but I think it. It almost takes away from the importance of the end of that scene where he goes to his father and his father straight up ignores him. And because that's setting the tone for the entire movie of the relationship these two have. And so after all of these things were like, oh, that's Indy. Oh, that's Indy. That's why Indy's like that. There's Indy. I see Indy. This is Indy. [00:11:17] Speaker C: Oh, oh. [00:11:18] Speaker A: And then there at the end, you're like, oh, and his dad is there. Cool. So it kind of takes away from the impact of that a little bit. [00:11:24] Speaker C: I think it was a little weird that, like. Like, the dad ignoring him and being like, oh, count in Latin or whatever. Okay, sure. But when the police and strangers enter your house and the dad's still completely ignoring the situation, you're kind of like, oh, this guy's just completely checked out. Like, he's not just, like, trying to be a good dad. He is just ignoring everything around him. It was just weird that he didn't come out and be like, excuse me, Officer, the you doing in my house? Like, what's going on right now? So last week, you were talking about how. Because Temple of Doom is a prequel, and he's trading a sarcophagus or something for a diamond, and then he kind of learns that it's like, no, the. The artifacts are actually the important thing. This one, you see him as a kid, and he's already like, that belongs in a museum. It kind of like, as much as they don't like the second one, it also did kind of take away any character growth you might have had from the second one by already being on that train. [00:12:20] Speaker A: It's almost like Steven Spielberg tried to erase the existence of the second movie because he didn't like how it turned out and nor did the audiences. Weird. [00:12:31] Speaker C: I'm not gonna argue any part of that sentence. [00:12:36] Speaker B: I mean, it wasn't as clean as and definitive as smashing somebody's head with a hammer and pushing him into an acid pool so we never have to deal with that character again. But, yeah, it did kind of feel like they were trying to erase that long time. Viewers of the show know what we're talking about. [00:12:50] Speaker C: I don't. And I'm on the show. Mortal Kombat. [00:12:54] Speaker B: They kill off. [00:12:55] Speaker C: Oh, yes. Okay, okay, okay, okay. [00:12:59] Speaker B: When they kill him off in the second movie because everybody hated him. Cole Young or whatever his name was. Spoiler alert if you haven't seen Mortal Kombat. Yeah, so. So that was. Yeah, I. The intro worked. It gave me the information I needed. Probably too much information, but the intro worked, and I was happy for it. And the. The movie is. It gets going it gets going from here, and I like it. [00:13:30] Speaker C: I think I can agree with you that it might be the weakest part of the movie, but only because the rest of the movie is so freaking good. [00:13:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:37] Speaker C: Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it. It's the worst part of an amazing movie is still pretty darn good. [00:13:43] Speaker B: Now, here's something that I noticed, and it's. You've got the intro that's kind of campy and cheesy and raunchy, and it. It works well enough, but maybe doesn't sell it 100%. The rest of the movie is just as cheesy and campy and raunchy with their jokes throughout, but I'm in it unsold, 100%. So what's the difference? Is it. Is it Connery and Ford? Because I think that's what it is. I think it's Connery and Ford and just sell every magical moment, and it makes it work. Whereas these actors in the intro scene were like, okay, they're here and they're doing it. [00:14:23] Speaker C: I. I think River Phoenix does a really solid job as a young Indiana Jones. I think he does, being a young Harrison Ford. I just think the charisma of Harrison Ford and Sean Connery individually, let alone together, is just off the charts. Like, every scene they're in, which is admittedly the entire movie, is just electric. Like, it's so good. Like, multiple times in the chat, we were just talking, like, could anybody have pulled this off but Sean Connery, like, he's, like. He gives you a look, just like a quick little look, and you get everything that that character's thinking at that moment. Like, he's so brilliant in this film. [00:14:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:55] Speaker A: A quick aside. You mentioned how River Phoenix did a good job. I agree with that. Harrison Ford actually was the one who suggested River Phoenix because he played Ford's son in a movie prior to this called the mosquito coast in 1986. And so they got together really well then. And so playing his son, playing a younger him kind of made sense. And River Phoenix actually didn't watch the movies for inspiration on how to act like Indy. He actually watched Harrison Ford while he wasn't acting and just took Harrison Ford mannerisms and. And things like that and brought that to the young indie character. So I thought that was an interesting little side note for River. [00:15:38] Speaker C: That's pretty cool. It helps when you know the guy, Right? Like, you can actually spend some time with them and. [00:15:42] Speaker A: And exactly. [00:15:43] Speaker C: Learn from him. [00:15:44] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. And then on that note again, of course, yeah, Sean Connery is incredible in this movie. He's pretty great in all movies. He does. I. I feel, and I think it was great. I think Steven Spielberg, from day one wanted Sean Connery as his first pick. Not only because he's a great actor, but because this is Steven Spielberg's James Bond franchise. He always wanted to direct a James Bond movie. So James Bond being the father of Indiana Jones just was too good to pass up. And so. And not to mention, they just have great chemistry, right? Like, it worked out fabulously for the. For the whole movie. [00:16:26] Speaker C: So. And then one of those funny things where, like, I knew that Steven Spielberg want to make a James Bond movie, and I knew that Sean Connery was James Bond, but for some reason watching it during the. The watch party, it just clicked with me how like Indiana Jones or Harrison Ford is like the violent one. He's killing Nazis. He's punched people in the face. And then you've got James Bond in a movie that was supposed to be about James Bond. And he's like the pacifist. And he's like, kind of giving India, like a bad look every time he kills somebody. Just added a really fun dynamic to it, too. Sorry, man. [00:16:59] Speaker B: No, that's exactly where I was going. You know, Harrison Ford or Sean Connery is a pacifist in this film. I think Will pointed that out. The watch party, it was just. It works. It just works. And that, you know, he's always looking at his son like, why did you do that? And Indy's like. Like kind of rolling his eyes, like, I have to do this. I have to drag you through this because you're afraid to throw a punch or get out a gun or. And then you have moments where his father uses his wit to save them with the seagulls. And you can. And it's one of those moments where Harrison Ford sells it. You could see it in his eyes in the scene. He just. The appreciation and respect for his father and the way his father handles himself. You know, even though he has to tow his dad around and save him from Nazis all the time, he still has an incredible amount of respect for his father. And you see that in just a few looks. And there's so many of those moments throughout the scene where these two have ridiculous chemistry and can just, with the smallest amount, show you just volumes in their relationship. [00:18:03] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. The opening, the first scene, you see them together as adult Indiana Jones. At least not the child when he comes in through the window and he's like, dazed and doesn't really know where he is. And he's just here. Junior. Yes, sir. And he, like pops right up and like, has that, like, instant respect for his father that's been ingrained in him his entire life. Respect or discipline beat into whatever it's going to be. But, like, you get the relationship instantly. [00:18:27] Speaker B: Yes. [00:18:29] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think Brian mentioned, like, that's that these two characters, these two actors carry this movie. And I think that's no doubt the case. Their relationship and the, the way this was written is very, very well, well told. And I think the reason why, you know, Sean Connery is this passive, less active person is twofold. One, they're only 12 years apart in age. Harrison Ford and Sean Connery. So they had to age Sean Connery by keeping his beard gray, which he already has anyway, but keeping him in the beard and making him a slower moving character, a more methodical, thinking character. Whereas Indiana is this clean shaven at all times, action, go getter at all times. So the contrast of that helps sell the age difference as well. Not to mention just great writing and chemistry between them. [00:19:24] Speaker C: Somebody in chat was mentioning that the humor is, this is the one with the most humor of the Indian Jones movies, at least so far. But sometimes it goes a little too far, tries a little too hard. I'm not entirely sure I agree with that. Like, I, I, I feel like most gags that are supposed to hit, hit pretty well. Like the one with the, where he's breaking the floor and you have the guy with the stamp and he just happens to be nailing it the exact same time. The guy said, I. Every time I've watched this movie so many times, and every time it just gets me, the look on the librarian's face when he's doing that. It's like, what the heck? Puts the stamp up and grabs a different stamp. Like it's gonna make a difference. So good. Or talking to the bad guys, like, Marcus is gone, Marcus knows 18 languages. All this other stuff. You'll never find Marcus, he's a ghost. You go back to Marcus, like, hello, does anybody speak English? Hello? [00:20:08] Speaker A: No, I don't want to buy that. I don't want to buy that. I would say such a good gag. If the cheese was overboard, it was the Marcus character. There were times where he was a little too much. But I did find out, doing some research, that he actually was quite seriously ill during the filming of the movie. So that may have maybe changed his character or how he was put on the film for what he could do or what he was capable of at the time. [00:20:38] Speaker B: So, yeah, I liked Marcus. I thought his character was spot on for me. I think that every joke landed. Some of them might have been close to a miss or not amazing, but every joke got a chuckle out of me and I had fun with all of them. I don't think that they put in too much. I think that they packed in as much as they could. I don't think they could have got any more humor into this anymore. It would have probably boiled over. But I thought, I thought it was just right. So I'm laughing. I'm loving the characters. I loved Marcus. I. I was a big fan of Elsa. I really liked that she was a very non traditional female co star in this film. How she starts out sort of as this love interest that you think is going to be very cliche, but then she turns out to double cross them. She also has heart and feeling, but she has her desires that she wants to see. True. So she's constantly witnessing horrific things, but she's still on board with doing stuff with Nazis because it gets her to her goal, which is kind of weird. But I thought she sold it well. And so I really liked her character also, though. It did. She did have some points in the movie where I was like, maybe they shouldn't have done that. [00:22:01] Speaker C: I just think it's nice when they give a female actress something to do, you know, like she wasn't just screaming the entire movie. She had plot, she had character. You saw something of who she was as an actual person. Even in the points where like, she's on the Nazi side, but clearly what they're doing is disgusting her and she doesn't want to. Want to have any Penny part of it. Yeah, like the book specifically. Like, you can tell she's just like, like, I don't want to be here, but I also don't want to get killed. So I guess I got to go with the winning team for now. Like, it. It helps build her character. And I agree, like, she is an interesting addition to the Indiana Jones universe, albeit short lived. [00:22:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree, Dan. She did have more to do. She got to do Harrison Ford and Sean Connery. [00:22:43] Speaker C: So that's a lucky woman. I'm not gonna lie. [00:22:48] Speaker B: Details? [00:22:49] Speaker C: A little jealous. [00:22:50] Speaker A: No, no. [00:22:51] Speaker C: But. [00:22:51] Speaker A: But to be honest, I feel like you're right. Much better character than Temple of Doom. But still, I don't think she was given enough screen time maybe or not enough to do to fully realize her because at the end she's kind of a mess where she's like, I want to help you. Then I want to take the Grail, but I know it can't leave, but I'm gonna take it anyway. And. And then it's. It's a golem moment, Lord of the Rings style, where she can't not go for it. It was just kind of not in her character from what we've seen up to that point where she's so intelligent and so, you know, dedicated and. And knows exactly every step along the way what she wants to do and how to get where she needs to be. It just felt like a kind of a mess at the end that was. Do you. [00:23:38] Speaker B: Do you guys think when she handed Donovan the cup that she knew it was not the right one? [00:23:43] Speaker A: Oh, 100%. [00:23:45] Speaker B: Okay. Because when he starts. When he starts going and aging, she had no reaction at all. When his hair starts sprouting out of his ears at fast pace, then she starts screaming like. Like. Like Willie. But at the time, it was. I really thought she knew what was going on, which made it feel all the weirder when the cup rolls off the cliff and she's like, I can get it. I can. Obviously, that's a setup so that Harrison Ford and Sean Connery can have their moment doing the same thing. But it didn't. It felt a little out of character for her to be deathly obsessed with this cup. [00:24:24] Speaker C: I mean, she's searching for it the entire movie. Like, she does. [00:24:27] Speaker B: She doesn't want it, but it's obvious she's going to fricking die if she does just reach. Like, why doesn't she just reach up? And they'll be, hey, let's just get a rope, and then we'll all lower you down. You can grab it or something. Like, we got a little bit of time to work with. Yeah. Yeah. It just. I don't know. It just. It seemed a little weird. And I think that was just so they could have the setup for Harrison Ford and Sean Connery, because that was interesting. It was a powerful moment when he says Indiana and he looks back up. And so it was a good setup for that, but it just felt like they were using her character, and it was slightly out of place. It felt, for me, not. Not a big. Not a big out of place. It was a good setup for it, but it just. Weirdo is that it did work better [00:25:07] Speaker C: for Indiana because he was actually touching it. So it's. It's literally like, in his grasp. Like, he could grab it if you wanted to. I don't. His plan to do with it is at that Point, because the temple's falling down and he knows he can't take it past the seal. So I don't know what. Like, what is grabbing it even do for him at that point. At least for her. She hasn't drank from it yet, so she doesn't have everlasting life. Indiana and his dad are already fine. They're good. [00:25:29] Speaker A: Well, as far as I know, they don't. Right. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Not everlasting from the cup. [00:25:34] Speaker A: Well, the other nights have to continuously drink from the cup. The other knights aged and died. [00:25:39] Speaker C: Right. But aged incredibly slowly. They're not immortal. But because it says when they crossed the desert, they were, like, excessively old. Like, they weren't. [00:25:48] Speaker A: I think that's when they were carrying the. When they had the cup with them. Right. [00:25:52] Speaker C: They can't cross the seal with it, though, so they can't have the cup with them. [00:25:55] Speaker B: I think they brought the cup there. [00:25:56] Speaker A: I thought they brought the cup there and set up the shrine and made the temple so that they could never leave. [00:26:01] Speaker C: I thought they left the shrine because the brother won because he was the strongest one, and they went. Because they had to have the. The shields telling them how to get back to where the cup was. [00:26:10] Speaker A: Right, Right. [00:26:10] Speaker C: So they left the cup behind with the shield, saying, this is where the cup is, and then they died in France or Venice. [00:26:16] Speaker A: Venice. [00:26:16] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe. [00:26:17] Speaker A: As far as I know that once you have to continuously drink from the cup, that's why the one guy was still alive, and the cup can never leave. So the whole thing is like, what's the point of this secret sword society that's protecting this grail that can never leave anyway. Like, nobody can take advantage of this thing anyway. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Couple of plot holes in this one. I thought another plot hole since you mentioned that was Donovan comes in and he's like, hey, we have half this or half this thing, this rubbing or whatever. We're looking for the other half. And here's how we got it. We got this, we got that, and these things all fell together. And then out of nowhere, he's like, our people believe it's in Venice, and we're gonna go to Venice. And they have no explanation of how we get to Ven. Like, what led them to Venice. And they never say. And it was. It was real quick. And they just kind of slap it in there, and they made points that connected up to that. And then he's just like, our people believe it's in Venice, and then they go to Venice, and that was it. And it was like, you're right. [00:27:21] Speaker C: They don't tell us. But they'd already done a five minute exposition dump. And like, Sean Connery's character found it and it was in Venice. [00:27:29] Speaker B: So, like, yeah, we didn't need it. And it was, it was just like in Mission Impossible when they're like, this thing's gonna destroy the world. What is it? It doesn't matter. And it didn't, because you don't need to know. You know, you just need to know we're going to Venice. That was it. And so it was fine and I let it slide. But there are like, if you're paying attention to the plot, there are some big gaps in here that don't make any sense. I. [00:27:53] Speaker C: Okay, I. I'm not gonna say you're wrong, but there are things like that that don't bother me in the slightest. And then there's like actual plot holes. We're like, okay, there's a lot of gap there that doesn't make any sense. [00:28:03] Speaker B: This doesn't have plot holes that bother me too much. Like, I. I think that the reason we have these guys with little tattoos on their chest and they're trying to kill anybody that gets to the Grail is because they don't want Hitler to set up his mansion on the other side of that shrine and keep drinking from the cup because he could just set up shop in there and live forever and direct his armies elsewhere and let everybody come through, take a drink, get back on the field or whatever. I don't know. I could figure out ways to make it work, right? So it doesn't make a lot of sense, but it could work. It could be a bad thing. You got to protect it. Don't let the secret out. Okay, I'll play along. Plus makes it kind of interesting. What I didn't like about those guys with the little red hats, I love the little red hats, was that they're fighting to the death, blowing each other up in an awesome boat chasing scene. Which they took some weird turns there too, but it was fun to watch. They're getting chopped up, they're punching each other, they're shooting each other. Indy's killing like 12 guys over the course of the whole fight. The last guy remains, he takes them to the side, sets them up, and he goes, okay, we're gonna let you go. And he's like, cool, we're friends. Peace out. It was so weird that the transition between enemy to ally was instantaneous. And it was like, what, you guys are just fighting to the death a minute ago, a literal minute ago, he's [00:29:25] Speaker A: looking for his dad, man. He's looking for his dad. [00:29:28] Speaker B: What? [00:29:28] Speaker C: And it wasn't even like he threatened him because, like, the. The guy's like, I'm prepared to die. My soul is clear. Is yours? [00:29:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:35] Speaker C: He's like, no. Okay, cool. We're these people, and we're protecting the Grail, and we're not gonna let you anywhere near. That's our whole shtick. We cool? And it's like, yeah. Like. Yeah. Like, it's just weird how. Like, what is Indy, God on him? He's got no leverage, and still the guy, like, flips and just like, cool. Here's everything about us and our organization. We'll help you out now. [00:29:51] Speaker B: Like, it was a weird turnaround. If. If he could have said, hey, we're worried the Nazis are gonna get it. And Indy's like, yeah, let's not let the Nazis get it. Then I could see them being, you know, the friend of my. The enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of situation. But they didn't even really negotiate that out. They just said who they were, and they're like, oh, we're good. [00:30:10] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, at least he points out, like, I'm not. I don't care about the Grail. I just want to find my dad. Like. Like, that's something. But it was not quite enough for me. I definitely, like, oh, I hate Nazis, too. And, like, oh, okay, cool. Like, we're. [00:30:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:23] Speaker A: Weird. [00:30:24] Speaker C: But again, not enough that I, like. I don't have enough complaints that, like, take me out. But there are definitely things I noticed. We were just like, that's interesting. I don't want to harp on the bad. I think there's way more good in this movie than there is bad. But there's one thing I noticed this time, which I've never really noticed before, when they're fighting on the tank and Indiana Jones falls down. He's got, like, the. He's hanging onto the turret thing on the side. Yeah. And his satchel catches somehow because, like, there's no way for it to get around the edge. But he's hanging on by that. And then the Nazi falls off, and he climbs up and gets off, and it doesn't hinder him at all. Getting, like, how does that satchel work exactly? Like, that's on the way down. [00:31:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:01] Speaker C: And then, like, go on the way up. But it's like, all right, sure. I don't care. Like, it's fun. It's. The entire point is for it to be exciting. And it was. But like, it's just one of those, like. Huh. I never noticed that a lot of [00:31:10] Speaker A: those things are, like, little. You know, they are little inconsistencies or plot holes, but it's to keep the pace of the movie. And that's very important in an action adventure movie. And. And so I think a lot of that is like, oh, the Fez guy. Yeah, he wants to kill you, but, oh, you're on my side. Okay, let's go. Oh, your strap is stuck. This is an intense moment. Okay, that moment's over. Let's go. It's just moving along the movie because it is. You know, there's a lot to get in in this movie. So I don't. I don't hate it myself. But it is funny when you notice those things happen. [00:31:46] Speaker C: Oh, I'm not complaining per se. It was just a funny little moment to notice. [00:31:50] Speaker B: I think, as with most of these little things. And they are little things that we're picking at here because let's. I'm going to, you know, throw it out there. This is a great movie. I love this film. So I'm trying to pick apart little things. These little things that happen throughout this film are fine with me because of, like, what Will saying. They're done. They're. They're choices. They made choices when they did this. And it helps the movie to progress faster. It keeps you involved, it keeps you interested. And so when you do notice it, you're like, I'm gonna forgive you on this because I'm having such a good time. [00:32:23] Speaker C: Yeah, the. The rewatch ability on this one's kind of through the roof. Like, just the enjoyment for me, at least on this one is top notch. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Yep. [00:32:32] Speaker A: I. I don't disagree. I've seen this movie plenty. I mean, but that goes for all the movies. I think all three of these movies have been very rewatchable. [00:32:40] Speaker C: Agree to disagree. [00:32:41] Speaker A: That's fine. That's fine. [00:32:43] Speaker C: I know Temple of Doom is too [00:32:45] Speaker A: dark and scary for some, but for others, it's a great adventure. [00:32:49] Speaker C: Just. I just don't see the. Anyways, never. We talked about that last week. Go check out the YouTube channel. Find out last week's episode if you want to see me rag on that one for an hour. I do like how this one actually did revisit some of the characters from the first one. Like, the second one introduces a lot of new characters, and this one does as well, but it also brings back Marcus. It brings back Salah briefly, but I liked he's there. It's good making familiarity Feel complete. I do wish we got more. Another short round appearance. That would have been really fun, but so be it. I don't know what Kiyu Kwan was doing at this point in his career. Don't think much of anything, to be honest. But would have been nice to have brought him in. [00:33:28] Speaker A: They would have to name a medium round probably too, at that point. [00:33:31] Speaker C: Well, maybe give him a real name. [00:33:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I still call them Slick shoes from Goonies. So anything works. [00:33:41] Speaker C: Isn't it Data? Data from Goonies. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. [00:33:44] Speaker B: But I don't even remember. I just remember Slick Shoes, that's all. [00:33:47] Speaker C: Gotcha. Okay, [00:33:51] Speaker A: okay. So that said, they also bring back. Pat Roach is back in this movie, albeit so brief. For those of you who remember, he was the shirtless bald brawler on the plane in the first. He was the child whipper in the second one who he gets crushed in the Rock Crusher. And in this movie he was supposed to have a larger part, but it got cut for editing for time reasons. But he. He's like kind of like the. The. Yeah, the Nazis, like, Right Hand Man. He's kind of the brawler. And they're supposed to have a. A fight on the blimp and it just didn't. It got cut. And so you see him only briefly for like three seconds when they're walking up to the zeppelin. That's the only thing you see of him. Otherwise. He was supposed to have two actual fights in the movie that didn't make the cut, unfortunately. [00:34:43] Speaker B: Oh, that's too bad. [00:34:46] Speaker A: Yeah, he's the only other actor who made all three movies aside from Harrison Ford. And he was supposed to be in the next one, but unfortunately passed away before it was filmed. [00:34:57] Speaker C: Is he friends with Steven Spielberg or something? Like, how does he keep that track record? [00:35:02] Speaker B: I'm not sure. [00:35:03] Speaker A: I think they thought it was just a funny bit to have like this big brawler fight with Indy every movie, and it's the same kind of guy. But he was also, I think, in the James Bond movies. There's a lot of actors that were in James Bond that are in Indiana Jones movies. So I think maybe that's where they pulled him from. [00:35:22] Speaker C: Gotcha. [00:35:23] Speaker B: It's kind of funny when you get those reoccurring characters in movies. I was watching Bruce Almighty last night, and there's a character, Hector, a Hispanic gentleman who everyone has seen him because he plays Hector in every single movie. And his opening role was in Bruce Almighty where a monkey literally comes out of his butt and later goes back into it. And that's how Hector was born. But he's in a Todd. Like he's in like 40 movies and he plays Hector. I think it's great when they do that. I love when the character is so good that directors are like, no, no, no, no, no, we don't want you, we want your character. [00:36:02] Speaker C: Which is great because there's also the other time where people hire an actor and all they get is the same actor every single time. That's Mark Wahlberg. [00:36:10] Speaker A: Mark Wahlberg. [00:36:12] Speaker C: There's a couple. Yeah, no, I know. [00:36:14] Speaker A: That's just my favorite of the worst. [00:36:16] Speaker C: Okay. [00:36:19] Speaker B: I really like the closing sequence when Indy has to take on the three challenges. Now those three challenges are kind of filled with their own plot holes. If you think about it like physics plot holes in these for sure. But I still really enjoyed them and I, I wish they could have made them less physics breaking to, to make them work a little bit better. But aside from that, I thought they were a lot of fun. Especially the first one where the, it's lopping off people's heads and Indy figures out the penitent man kneels before God. And I think it's, it's cool that Sean Connery's on the ground and he's talking about it. So it's like, you know, they're in spirit, they're doing this together. I, I thought it was a great sequence. It was really fun adventure. And of course it's topped off with drinking from the grail itself and the grail night, which was very interesting. So that whole last section was just really cool and it felt like Indy, it just felt like Indiana Jones. It brought me back to the whole. The temple where the ball's rolling down. After Indy, it felt kind of like that he's moving through a bunch of booby traps and he's trying to figure it out and he's thinking his way through and he's working at it. Not like in number two where he just Harry Potter's his way through everything on accident. This one, he's working at it and I love that. [00:37:43] Speaker C: Me too. I appreciate the way you mentioned like he's a smart guy, he's doing smart things. I will go back a second. Yes, they are physics breaking. But like kind of all of the temples in these movies are like magical physical breaking. Like none of them make any sense. Like the boulder one. As much as we love it, that is a one time use thing. Like that thing blows over in the wind. [00:38:05] Speaker B: Thousand pound stone door that slides down and almost gets his hat is a One time use door. [00:38:11] Speaker C: Well, and even, like in the first one, how did the Ancient, I don't know, Mayans, whatever, whatever the race that is, have light sensors that shoot darts? You know, like, it makes no goddamn sense, but I love it anyways. And so, like, that's kind of how I feel about this one. Like, yeah, walking across Yahweh, you can only do one time because if you miss even once, you're never rebuilding that. Right. Like, and how do they keep those ones up? I like that you do get the underneath view. So you do see some beams kind of holding certain things up. But, like, I don't think those would have held up for the last 2000 years. I don't think that's going to be a good thing. The one thing that always bugs me about this movie you kind of mentioned it is the first one, the penitent man, because, like, everybody's getting their heads cut off, so you'd think anybody would just be like, oh, cool, I should probably duck because everybody's getting chopped off of the neck. But even then, the penitent man kneels before God. Why is there a second razor that comes straight up and down just to with you? So you, you know, you're supposed to duck. You're. You're bowing before God like you're supposed to. And then the second razor just kills you anyways. I'm like, ah, I don't know. It just. For some reason, it irks me that he has to, like, duck and roll. [00:39:17] Speaker A: I saw a reason for that, actually. Give me a second, because I did. [00:39:22] Speaker C: I would love it if you can fix this, because I've literally bothered me since. [00:39:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm curious why they don't, like, just walk slowly and watch the blades come out of the wall in front of you first and go. Oh, that's where they're at. Okay. I'll just be careful of those. Well, it seems like they're triggered. They're only triggered when you're in it, apparently. [00:39:41] Speaker C: I. I guess there's at least one dead body right there. Oh, yeah, There's a few. Right, right. Yeah, that's right. Like, there's probably like a pile. You're just like, huh. I guess that's where I should be careful. Like, huh, all of their necks are cut off. I guess I should duck. Like, it feels like the third person should have a pretty good idea what's going on. [00:40:00] Speaker A: Okay, so here it is. There is actually a reason for having two separate blades for decapitating grail seekers at the climax. The first one would behead someone who didn't kneel, while the second one would behead someone who pressed his head to the ground. A Christian would kneel while a Muslim would press their head to the ground. This ensures only a Christian would make it to the Grail. [00:40:27] Speaker C: That's interesting, but I feel like the blade comes up way too high for that. But I like that it at least tried to explain it. [00:40:36] Speaker B: But in the movie, without doing research, no one's gonna know this. They don't give us that information. [00:40:43] Speaker C: Oh, no. [00:40:44] Speaker B: We're all wondering what's going on. And. Yeah, so. But it looked cool with the two blades instead of just one. So I'll give it. [00:40:53] Speaker C: No, it looks cool, but it's just one of the things. The third one, I really like, the optical illusion. Again, I have no idea how they did that, but I don't know how they do any of these temples. But when you see it from his angle, and you really are taking a leap of faith, he has no idea what's going on. But then the camera just moves a little to the side and you can see exactly what's happening. I was like, that's kind of nonsense, but kind of a really cool effect. And I like the way they explained that. [00:41:17] Speaker B: Those chalk drawings that you see at Art Con or whatever, you know, and they are. They're those optical illusions. They look really cool. Good ones are really trippy. And this one, he's in that tunnel where he can't look around the outside, so it makes sense. But later he throws the sand across it and it's fucking invisible when he throws the sand across it. Like, you just ruined it with that. Just show it in an angle and the sand goes across the picture. That's fine. That works fine. I don't know why they had to make it invisible when he throws the sand across. That ruined that one for me. [00:41:56] Speaker C: I don't fully disagree. I know he has to throw the sand across to. Because he's helping them get across. Right? Like, he's kind of explaining, this is what you do to get to where I'm at. Yeah, so that's why he does that. But also, it kind of ruins it because, like, you're in the desert for 200 years. Like, there would have been. I. I don't know that it would be squeaky clean at this point. But okay, sure, it's a movie and it was cool. [00:42:18] Speaker B: I like, Vulture just lands on the middle of it. And then he's like, okay, [00:42:25] Speaker C: yeah, like, birds are stupid. They try to go through windows like Mach 10. [00:42:29] Speaker B: You're Bam. [00:42:33] Speaker C: Yeah. But I, I do like the look of it regardless. Shoot. I had something else there, but I. Oh. As opposed to if it had just been invisible. And you just have to believe like somehow they managed to make this thing. I like that there was an explanation for it that did make some semblance of sense. Not perfect, but enough. And then of course, you've got the combat with the 700 year old man. Yeah. And then the fifth trial, which is of course the, the cups, which we've talked about, which I think is actually very clever. I like that it wasn't like, obviously she sets him up. But even then when they finally see it and they're like, ah, that's the cup of a carpenter. Because it would be super plain. I really do like that. As opposed to the. What the Nazi thinks they're like, oh, it's gold. Of course it would be. This is the cup of a king. No, he was not a king. He was not. [00:43:24] Speaker B: Question. Since all those other plates and cups and dishes and stuff were not the Grail, could you take those past the seal and put them in a museum or sell them or just pull the gems out and be rich? [00:43:36] Speaker A: Oh, 100%. [00:43:38] Speaker C: I definitely think you could. [00:43:39] Speaker B: Opportunity lost right there. Stupid Nazis. [00:43:42] Speaker C: But that Grail knight might not be a big fan of yet. [00:43:46] Speaker A: Out of a job, man. He's been polishing those things for hundreds of years. [00:43:51] Speaker C: Just leave them. Just leave them. Two cups. The next guy gets a 50, 50 chance. [00:43:58] Speaker B: Is it this, Is it this golden plate or is it the cup? [00:44:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:02] Speaker B: Which do you think Jesus drank from? [00:44:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I do. Like this movie does have a few more. Like, as much as I love Raiders, the one thing is it doesn't have any real quotable lines. Like maybe you could have like, I don't like snakes, but that's kind of it. Like, this one's got a couple more that I. You hear a bit more often, especially at the end. He's chosen poorly. I don't know, maybe it's just the way my brain works, but I hear that when I say that one fairly often. No tick. Fun one. [00:44:31] Speaker A: Quite memeable as well. That one's memed out a lot. Chosen poorly for sure. [00:44:36] Speaker B: Yep, yep, yep. One of my favorite moments, since we're kind of just throwing stuff out here, one of my favorite moments is when Indy and the tank go over. Everybody thinks Indy's dead. Sean Connery does a. A really good job of talking about. Five minutes would have been enough. I. I never said the things I wanted to do, all of those things. Indy comes back up and he's looking over their shoulder and trying to figure out what they're looking at. And then he's. And the. And his dad hugs him. And the look on Harrison Ford's face, oh my God. I don't think there's a man in America that doesn't understand the emotion going through him right then and there. That father son relationship, finally getting the love and respect from your father that you wanted. Had to almost die to do it. It was short lived. But Indy's reaction in that moment, Harrison's, Ford's reaction, his acting in that moment was absolutely priceless. I really like that one. [00:45:31] Speaker C: I'm gonna extend that a little bit because I agree with everything you just said. But I think pretty much everything from when he climbs up the side of the hill till the end of that scene, Harrison Ford is just firing on all cylinders. Like when they're all looking over the edge and he comes up and he is like battered, he's bruised, he's exhausted, and he's just like, yeah. Wow, that, that was close. Like, he doesn't say anything. It just, it's all on his face. You can just tell. He's like, yeah, that was a close one. And then his dad turns and like, does the double take, gives him the great big hug and he's like, what is happening? Okay, this is great. And then his dad leaves and he collapses. And his dad's like, come on, Junior, get off your butt. We're so close. He's just like exhausted. And then it should be a cheesy, cheesy, cheesy moment. And I love it. Anyways, his hat blows up towards him. He lost his hat earlier. And like, they're like, come on, Junior, we're almost there. And his hat comes out of nowhere. Just be like, yeah, let's go. [00:46:24] Speaker B: It was so on the nose and over the top that it worked. It was like, how else is he going to get his hat back? It's one of those things. They made a choice, we're going to do it this way. And even though you know this is ridiculous, it works. And so I like it for that. I like it. [00:46:41] Speaker A: Yeah. I think, I think with, with the heart and the investment in these two characters, you can get away with a lot, you know, their relationship. You can see the strain in it throughout the movie. But you can also see how they are so similar in their own ways and having that great dynamic between the actors, that chemistry allows you to push all of the cheesy jokes in there without it feeling too much. But again, it's also kudos to the writers to finding that balance. Right. So it's a, it's a, it's a great balancing act that they, they put through there, especially with those two characters. [00:47:22] Speaker C: I think it's a sign of the times a little bit as well, because this movie does it really, really well where there are emotional scenes, there are high stakes scenes, and there are comedic scenes, but they don't really overlap all that much. Whereas newer movies, I'm thinking like Thor, Ragnarok, Thor, Love and Thunder, also the newest masters of the Universe. It's like they throw in too much humor and at the wrong times so that it undercuts the emotional moments. Like when you're supposed to be caring about these characters and their journey. Then they throw in a silly joke and it kind of takes all the air out of the room. Whereas in this movie, like that last sequence with, with the Grail night and everything, there's not really any levity in that scene. It is just the emotional end of the journey for this movie. And they trust the audience to just go with them and enjoy it. And I really like that, that they, they understand what they. When to be funny and when to not. And it seems to be an art that we seem to have lost a little bit in the new, like, Marvel age. And I realize I like Marvel more than either of you do. So I'm kind of like, I agree, bashing my own brand a little bit, [00:48:22] Speaker A: but they call it the Marvel effect. [00:48:24] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. And like watching the new Master Universe, it felt very much like a Disney Marvel movie, despite the fact it has nothing to do with either one of those. And I did like the movie, but it was just like some of the humor choices just didn't work. So watching this one afterwards was like, yeah, this is how you do it. You have the levity and then you have the character work. And you don't need to mix and match. [00:48:44] Speaker B: Yeah. A great chef knows not just to add the ingredients, but when to add the ingredients and how much of those ingredients. And. And Spielberg's a master of that, and this movie showcases it really well. [00:48:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I always harp on scripts, right? Like, if you don't have a good baseline, the good bones, you can only grow so much before it collapses on itself. Right. And so this one has a great script to start. Then you add the great actors that have those characters written for them. Then you have the great director that can throw in other things as well. And it just grows and grows and lets you have all of these wonderful moments without it feeling too much or without it falling in on itself. And I just don't think a lot of modern day movies do that. I think early Marvel had a really good line on it later. Marvel kind of has lost that edge a little bit because they're pumping up too much and then other studios are just trying to copy that formula because it made Marvel a billion dollars. [00:49:46] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:49:48] Speaker B: This movie does it well. In fact, they do it great. This movie packs in more than anybody else could, right? You have car chases, boat chases, plane chases, you have fist fights, gunfights, explosions. You've got snakes and lions and alligators and rhinos. You've got everything in this movie. You've got all the stuff that made the original indie movie great, right? Tomb raiding, temple hunting, all kinds of fun stuff. It's all packed into this with amazing acting, great characters, great dialogue, a script that is good enough to get me to enjoy everything that happens. I think this movie is every bit as good as the original Indiana Jones and maybe even a little bit better. I love this film and I think everybody else should be watching this at least once. [00:50:40] Speaker C: If you like what we do, you want to help support us, consider joining our Patreon. There's a link down below. Thank you to our producers as well as our executive producer Dino, and of course our head writers, Elder JM990, Ms. Hillary and Real Bubba Hotep. Thank you all very much. [00:50:56] Speaker B: I've said everything that I can say about this movie. I gave Raiders of the lost ark a92 and I want to give this one a93 because given the chance to watch both movies, I'm going to pick this one over that one. Probably the thing that does it for me is Sean Connery. He's freaking amazing and he's freaking amazing in this movie. So 93 for me on Last Crusade. [00:51:22] Speaker C: I've said it before, Indiana Jones is one of my favorite franchises. I think these movies are absolutely cinematic magic. I really love Raiders of Lost Ark. I also really love Last Crusade and honest to God, it is a coin flip based on the day which one I prefer more. I think the first one is more iconic. I think this one is more re watchable. I don't think there's really an issue with either one of them. We can harp on them a little bit here and there. Maybe I ding up one point for the plot plot or something silly, but at the end of the day, this is a movie that I've watched many, many times and I will continue to watch many times. I adore it. That said, yes, I'm probably gonna give this another. Another 100. But before you guys go, oh, he just gives hundreds to everything. I was thinking about it. I can only think of one other movie in one other franchise that I would give a hundred to as of right here, right now. Now maybe we'll watch something I've never seen before and that'll change my mind. But before you're like, oh, he gives one hundreds, everything. I really only can think of one more movie that's going to earn that title. And I don't even know if we'll ever get to that franchise or not. So anyways, Last Crusade. I think it's incredible. I think it's insanely rewatchable for a movie that is almost 40 years old. And the humor still works. I can still show it to my kids. The effects still hold up. I just think this is the globetrotting adventure that Indiana Jones is supposed to be, and I adore it. [00:52:42] Speaker A: Nobody saw that coming. [00:52:43] Speaker C: I know, right? It was. I'm shocking. Tune in next week when I give another 100. No. [00:52:51] Speaker B: All right. [00:52:52] Speaker A: Time for me to be the bad guy, I guess. I think Steven Spielberg and George Lucas went out of their way to overcorrect from Temple of Doom. Temple of Doom didn't. It wasn't as well received, obviously, as the first movie. It was darker, it was more gritty. It was a little different, which is, you know, not always a bad thing. It definitely gave us a sequel or prequel that wasn't the same thing. Then they doubled down on this movie. The Last Crusade is just a blueprint of the first movie and just pushed it to the extreme. But what stood out in this movie is the relationship building and the character building of Indy and his father. And that's what makes, to me the blueprint sequel acceptable in this case because it was just so well done. The characters are so great to watch. And Brian was mentioning how great Sean Connery is in this. And I think when you pair two great actors together, they can play off each other and build something even greater than just the one actor themselves. And I think this is a great example of that. This movie is also the most pg. It's the most family friendly. I consider the other two movies more action adventure with comedy. I consider this one more a comedy adventure with action, which isn't a bad thing. Again, it's the evolution of the. Of the movie, of the franchise, which is fine. Again, Seeing the evolution makes it better than just a carbon copy. But overall I do still feel like Raiders of the Last Ark trumps it for me. This one's an 88 out of 100. Still a phenomenal movie. Still well worth watching all three of these movies. And then maybe next week we'll find out if it's worth continuing on or not. [00:54:59] Speaker C: And with that we have Indiana Jones reclaiming the top place at the 86. 88 and an 87 for a grand total of 87. Just nudging out Kill Bill. There's still two more to go. We'll see if it can retain this spot. I sincerely doubt that it will, but I like seeing it here for now. What do you guys feel about Indiana Jones being our number one franchise temporarily? [00:55:24] Speaker A: I mean I would be. I can't argue with this. It's my score so obviously it's bang on. [00:55:33] Speaker C: It's killing me a little bit that I'm the red score on this one. Like that's just wild to me. But okay, sure. [00:55:40] Speaker B: Well, you shouldn't have thought so poorly in number two. I guess they should have done a better job. I, I think as a three piece trilogy this is the home for Indiana Jones. Things change as we move forward. But this is, this is fantastic for right here. So I'm, I'm pretty happy with this. We know it will go down because the other, the other movies just aren't up to this par and so it'll definitely drop down. How far I have no idea and I'm very curious about that myself. [00:56:12] Speaker A: So we'll see. [00:56:14] Speaker C: Now this also brings a second Indiana Jones into our top 10 list at number two. Like this does come in just below Raiders the Lost Ark which I think is appropriate. But what do you guys think? This knocks out the good, the bad and the ugly off of our top 10 and in fact knocks out all five of this because we had a five way tie at 84. This gets rid of all of them which is a little bit cleaner. Puts two Indiana Jones on the top which I am absolutely okay with but also a little weird. [00:56:45] Speaker B: It feels cluttered with two indies on the. On the top 10. Of course I think does our top 10 listed includes Patreon picks. City of God right was Patreon pick. So we've got single single one off movies in here and I think as we get more singular movies non franchise movies I think we'll see Raiders probably lower down maybe spread apart. I'm not really sure but it's kind of crazy. We got two at the top right next to each other. That feels a little weird to me. [00:57:17] Speaker C: 95 is going to be a hard number to beat, but yeah, I have faith there's something out there. There are two Alien movies on the list as well. So both of us have a franchise kicking it here in the top 10. [00:57:29] Speaker A: I don't want to sound like a complete a hole, but I'm going to. [00:57:32] Speaker C: But I'm going to. [00:57:33] Speaker A: It looks like. Looks like this list is quite biased and maybe hand selected the movies we wanted to watch at some point, point down the line here. [00:57:43] Speaker C: I mean, we didn't get to choose two of them by any means. The audience got to pick those two y. I've always allowed us to choose whatever franchises we want. You guys just don't usually throw options out. So I just kind of picked the ones that I want to choose. But there's still some very good franchises we have not touched yet. So we'll see if they can crack on to this list. [00:58:02] Speaker A: Yeah, there's plenty of great franchises out there. That and solo movies that Patreon could pick that could definitely upset this list even more. So I think the Indiana Jones are probably going to be tight knit together for a long time. [00:58:15] Speaker C: At 95.94, though I. I don't disagree. The one movie on this list is a little out of place. And it's funny because I'm the one that gave it such a great score is Prey. I feel like we've reviewed better movies than Prey, and yet it is that timeless. I. I don't necessarily dislike my score. I really enjoyed Prey. Maybe a little high. Like, maybe it should be more like a 90 than a 95. But regardless, that's the only one in this list where I'm kind of like, does that, does that belong? Everything else I think is very well deserved. [00:58:44] Speaker B: I think the, the scores might have got a little high on Prey because we were wanting somebody to do a Predator movie. Right. And they did pray right. You know, there we. We talked about it has its flaws. You can always check those videos out. But they did pray right. And I think we're excited about that, about a. A cool franchise getting done right. So that, that helps. [00:59:04] Speaker A: So. [00:59:05] Speaker B: And honestly, I know for sure we've got some other franchises coming up. There may be some movies that are going to be. I don't think it's going to get 100. I think it's probably going to get a 97 from me, but that's the highest I've ever gone. So. And those are some franchises that are coming up shortly. I'm very much looking forward to it. So there's going to be some, some good movies out there. And if you guys feel the same as I feel about some of the movies in that specific franchise, I think we'll be breaking up the Raiders and we'll see them split a little bit, maybe even both of them drop down. [00:59:40] Speaker C: Well, that's our rating of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, but what's yours? Leave a comment down below. I'd love to hear what you have to say. We record this live or Twitch TV, the Mongoolie show, every Thursday night at 9pm Eastern Standard Time. So you can head over there, hit the the follow button if you want to hang out with us while we're recording this, or if you made it this far in the video, you can hit like and subscribe. So we see you in the next one.