Ep 68 - Kill Bill Vol 1 (2003)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Kill Bill, Volume 1, 2003. After a four year coma, the Bride, a ruthless assassin wakes up to seek revenge on those who put her in said coma. It turns out to be one of two bloody affairs. [00:00:16] Speaker B: This episode is brought to you by Radik Audio Radik Audio Enjoy the music. Hello everybody and welcome back to our rating the show where I get together with two of my friends, we take a movie franchise, break it down by movie, give it an overall score and throw it back up on the board to see where it lands compared to the other movie franchises. As always, I'm joined by Will and Brian as we talk about Kill Bill Volume 1. Brian, how are you doing this week? [00:00:39] Speaker C: I'm great. Dan, how are you doing? [00:00:40] Speaker B: I am. You know what, I'm actually not great. But I am looking forward to tonight's episode. I watched this movie fairly recently and I'm excited to talk about it. How are you doing, Will? [00:00:51] Speaker A: I'm doing a. Okay. I'm always excited to talk about movies with YouTube. [00:00:56] Speaker B: Excellent, excellent. Brian, you did a little watch party on this one the other day. Did you. How did you find it? Do you enjoy watching this with people or. [00:01:05] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, it was such a late watch party that it was just like me and Sifi, Shane and Hillary and just loved it. I mean it was in fact sufficient. Had some issues trying to get into the, to the watch party and I, I was like, I didn't want to stop watching the movie to help him out. We got it figured out but it was, I just, just really enjoy watching this movie. I must have seen this thing probably a dozen times already, so. And, and it never tires, you know, when this thing pops up and I see it someplace, I'll stop and at least give it a 15 minute look. You know, there some of those movies are, they just deserve a little bit of your time when they come across your screen. [00:01:50] Speaker B: That's a good point. I usually ask that obviously you said you've seen this multiple times, not your first time to it. Will, is this your first time watching Kill Bill or have you seen this one before? [00:01:57] Speaker A: I want to say it's my fourth, third or fourth time seeing this movie. I haven't seen it a lot, but every time I see it, I see it. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Those glasses are working. Love to hear it. Yeah. This is one I did not see in the theaters, but I definitely remember watching it in college like back when it first, first came out on, on Blu Ray or on DVD or whatever the medium was at the time. And I remember kind of being blown Away by it. Like, I remember really enjoying it at the time, watching it a bunch back when I. Back around that time. Like kind of college. Like this came in 2003, so probably in like the 2004-2008 range. And then I might not have seen it between then and now. I think my wife and I watched like half of it at one point in like 2015, 2016 and just ran out of time or something, weren't really getting into it. So I actually wasn't super looking forward to it this time. And I gotta say, this movie flew by like watching it the other night by myself, like the run time. Maybe it's also because we've been watching a lot of three hour movies recently, like between Christmas Classics and Avatar and Sound of Music. Like we've been watching some long slash bad movies, so maybe that was a chunk of it, but this one flew by, Will. Brian. Sorry, you're agreeing with me on that one? [00:03:09] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. [00:03:12] Speaker A: I mean, I think the movie itself, I mean, we'll get right into it. I think there is some pacing issues in this movie. But that said, every scene in this movie is very appealing. It's very stylized and it draws you in, so it's, it's easy to fall into this movie and, and let it just take you away. [00:03:35] Speaker B: Nice. Sorry, Bron, I cut you off twice. [00:03:37] Speaker C: Explain those, Explain the, the pacing issue that you have with this, Will, because I, I kind of agree. Like, it has like these set pieces and each piece is so phenomenal, but it's like a hard stop in between different scenes. And so some are real slow and some are 30 minutes of chopping people up like, and then, and then you throw in the music on top of it too. And we'll get to that. But what, what do you, what do you mean when you say the pacing issues? [00:04:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, similar to what you're saying there, as well as the fact, I think. And, and I might have to take this back when I see it. I haven't seen the Whole Bloody Affair yet, but originally this was a one movie. The studio forced it to be cut into two releases. And so I think if you watch this movie in its entirety, the pacing would feel cleaner. No pun intended. But yeah, I, I also think this is like Quentin Tarantino at his most indulgent. And so there are like a lot of scenes that are, you know, he's, he's not just paying homage to other movies, he's maybe ripping them directly, but he just goes so over the top with them that it Maybe could be scaled back. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a good point. I'm. I'm fully going to admit I am not well versed in a lot of the movies that he is ripping off in this, as you call it. Or is he homaging to. The genres he's referring to are not ones that I grew up with. But at the same time, while watching this, you can kind of like pick and choose and kind of be like, okay, the reason he's doing this must be because it's related to something. Most of this movie, I think, looks phenomenal. I think the cinematography and is really, really strong. And then you get like the airplane scene and it looks horrendous, but again, it's stylized bad. So I feel like he is purposefully throwing to something else or purposefully like making it look like something he remembers growing up with. I'm not sure what the reference is, to be perfectly honest. I don't know if either of you have an idea, but does that make sense? Like, do you know what I'm talking about? [00:05:49] Speaker C: I don't remember the airplane scene you're speaking of specifically. [00:05:52] Speaker B: I just remember orange screen. [00:05:55] Speaker C: Oh, okay. I guess I didn't. [00:05:57] Speaker A: In the plane. When she's actually in the plane. [00:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:00] Speaker A: Like, there's a couple when she's like flying in the plane to either Japan or wherever else. [00:06:05] Speaker C: Oh. And she's got her sword leaned up against the wall inside the plane. Okay. Yeah. And it does look a little weird. Looks like she is on a sound stage, not in a plane at all. Yeah, but I, I, it definitely felt like that was a decision. It wasn't like they accidentally screwed it up. It was 100%. That was how it's supposed to be. Everything in this movie is like that. It' that's how it's supposed to be. And I have fun with every one of these different set pieces. Every one of these different scenes is its own. Like, you could, you could watch these in a series ofShorts on YouTube. Every little section is all by itself and amazing. [00:06:40] Speaker A: I mean, they break it up by chapter, right? [00:06:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm, I'm curious what ex. What is your favorite scene, Dan, in this movie? Like, is there one that specifically you remember? It is like your favorite. [00:06:53] Speaker B: For me. [00:06:54] Speaker C: For me, it's the sword. It's the, it's the swordsmith in Okinawa gifting her the sword after he makes it, you know, spends a month making it. That one's just phenomenal. [00:07:02] Speaker B: The scene at the Bar is maybe the best individual scene. Like her walking in and like not revealing who she is, kind of acting like a ditzy tourist. And then kind of like the slow realization of like, oh, you are not who you say you are is maybe the best individual scene. But as far as, like the acts go, I would have to say probably the origin of Oranishi, like the animated section, I think, is just gorgeous. It's so stylized. It's so well done. There's like, there is imagery in that that is. I don't think iconic is the right word, but just stands out in my brain from like the first time I watched this to now when the one assassin is standing over. I believe it's her father. And like, he just looks monstrously huge. And his back is so curved because, like from the angle that this small little kid is looking at him, he looks like a monster. The sword sticking through the bed with the blood just slowly soaking in. Like it's such an amazing little scene there. And I really, really like that one. So as far as an act goes, that might be my favorite overall act. But as far as an individual scene, the bar scene is probably my absolute favorite. And it makes sense, right? It's super dialogue heavy. I love dialogue. It just works. What about you, Will? [00:08:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm a little bit torn. I. I don't know, it's weird maybe, but I really like the hospital scene just because you get to see Uma's pain. And she does it very well. When she wakes up and realizes how much time is gone and what she's missing and just the horrible things that have happened to her over the four years is just like gut wrenching in itself, itself in a whole different way. So I really kind of enjoy that, even though it's super dark and twisted. And I also, much like Dan, I like the dialogue portion of the. The first kind of knife fight between Black Mamba and oh, what's the other snake? I can't remember her name. And they have to like stop mid fight because her daughter's home from school. [00:09:07] Speaker C: Cool. [00:09:08] Speaker A: And they don't want to do anything in front of her. I just like really like that pause in action. I thought that was really well done. [00:09:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:17] Speaker C: Her scene when she wakes up and realizes her baby is gone, that is phenomenal acting in that scene. I think as a counterpoint when she. At the. The very opening scene when she goes into that fight with the mother and the daughter comes in before that happens and they're talking, I thought that was actually the worst acting of Uma Thurman in the movie. I didn't believe it. She didn't sell it for some reason. It just fell flat for me. Then they get into the fight scene and I forgot about it. Never thought of it again. And we get into that hospital scene when she wakes up and her baby's gone. And I was like. And the Emmy goes too. Like, it was just amazing. Completely forgot about the scene. So was a bit of high and lows for acting, but mostly highs. [00:10:05] Speaker B: I actually think that opening scene with Vivica Fox, not because of Fox, but that opening scene is maybe one of my least favorite parts in this movie. Like, I just don't really like the dialogue between the two of them. I don't really like the fight scene all that much. And I'm not engrossed in the movie enough yet to forgive certain things. Like, you're still kind of getting the pacing and falling into it. I understand why that scene is first, even though it doesn't make sense chronologically. Like, you already see that she's killed Oranishi at the time that she goes after her. But at the same time, the Oranishi scene is such a climax that having that as the first start of the beginning of the movie would be awful. Like, keeping that to the very end makes way more sense. Gorgeous scene. But it is a little unfortunate. The first scene you kind of get into just feels a little hokey. Like, it just. [00:10:48] Speaker C: Yeah, it wasn't a great narrative hook to get you started on this film or give you a taste of what's to come. A lot of times you. You get that in a film. You get that opening sequence and you're like, oh, this is the pace of the movie. This is what it's going to be about. And that one didn't do a great job of setting it up. So maybe that's something that would be taken into account in the whole bloody affair. But for. For me, the opening scene was probably the weakest part of this entire movie. Even though I absolutely love. After the fight, she has that conversation with the daughter. Like, if you're. If you're still sore about this, come find me. Like, amazing little sequence with. With the daughter there. And. And from there, the movie just gets better and better. [00:11:28] Speaker B: I think I remember hearing rumors when this movie first came out that. That there was going to be a third one once that little girl was old enough and it would be her going after. After the Bride. I've never heard anything about that since, so I sincerely doubt that's happened because it's been 22 years. [00:11:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:45] Speaker B: The little daughter's grown up at this point, so I don't think that's gonna happen. But like, I remember thinking like, oh, that'd be really interesting if they actually do let her grow up naturally. And then Uma Thurman's older and we can kind of see what that looks like. But I think that's long dead. And honestly, I'm not really. [00:12:00] Speaker A: You could get Mayahawk in there now too, right? As her daughter. [00:12:04] Speaker D: Oh, that's true. Yeah. [00:12:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:05] Speaker A: So you could be like, oh, you want revenge? [00:12:07] Speaker D: Here we are. [00:12:08] Speaker B: Have the daughters fight each other. Why not? [00:12:10] Speaker A: Daughters can go on. [00:12:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:12:12] Speaker B: I have a question for you guys and I don't know if this is going to be fair or not, but I'm gonna throw it out there. I. I mean, maybe this ruins a future franchise we're going to talk about. Do you think the existence of John Wick hurts other action movies? [00:12:30] Speaker A: In what way? [00:12:32] Speaker B: I feel like the action in this felt so ridiculous and I mean, I get that he's going for a stylized choice, but specifically in that opening fight scene, but even a little bit in the Crazy 88 scene, it felt so ridiculous and hokey and unbelievable. Despite the fact that everybody in this movie is supposed to be, you know, a human, a normal person. Whereas in John Wick, also ridiculous, especially the further on the franchise you get. But he's acting like he's doing real judo moves. He's doing like actually like assassin things like double tap, stuff like that. [00:13:00] Speaker C: Like, like the guy had the stamina and skill. It's possible that those are able to happen where Uma Thurman's kicking Copperhead and she's flying across the room into the wall. On. You know, there's pulley systems happening in those fight scenes. Jumping up and balancing on. On balusters. That's just a little bit unbelievable. A little closer to Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon action scenes rather than John Wick. No, I don't think that the existence of John Wick hurts this at all. I think it gives us another avenue of stylized choice for fight scenes. I appreciate both of them. I love watching both of them and I don't have a problem with either of them. [00:13:39] Speaker B: Fair. [00:13:40] Speaker A: I. I agree. I think Tarantino pulls a lot from the samurai movies, the kung fu movies. And a lot of them, as you said, like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon are like stylized martial arts. They're over the top movements. And I think that plays into this movie as well. But that said, I don't think this lives up to the height of those either. I do think the action in this movie is kind of the least effective part. The choreographed movements and things I think was the least engaging. And especially because I'm comparing it to other martial arts movies of the past, that these. This was like, this happened because of them. [00:14:24] Speaker C: Right. [00:14:24] Speaker A: Like, and so I. I just think it didn't take me out of the movie because all the other things, it's so stylized. You understand where he's coming from and what he's doing. It just. If I had to, like, pick apart a weakness in this movie, I think it's actually the. The Coro and the. [00:14:40] Speaker B: And the fight scenes, that's so funny because I'm 100% on board, and I wasn't sure if I was gonna be alone on that one. I love a lot of this movie. The fight scenes were not it. Like, they're good. They're still really solid. [00:14:53] Speaker C: Right? [00:14:54] Speaker B: But, like, as you mentioned, like, if you had to point to, like, the weak point, it kind of the action for me. [00:15:01] Speaker C: Now, when you say weak point, you're talking like an 80 out of 100 as opposed to a 95 out of 100. Right. [00:15:08] Speaker B: So I'm not saying they're failures or they're right by any stretch, but sure, sure. [00:15:12] Speaker C: If there's something that needs to be picked up, I'd like to see those fight scenes a little more crisp, a little more believable. Even though I like the unbelievable angle, they did feel a little dull. And I feel like he used stylized artistic cinematography to counterbalance some of this. Used a lot of graphic, like, gore. Like, arms getting cut off, blood spraying everywhere. Which brings me to a question. And I think that they use that style to kind of as a counterpoint to maybe the lack of choreography happening in here. In the fight scene with the 88, where she pretty much cuts up, like, 88 dudes. I don't know if there's 88 of them or not, but there's a lot of them. And she cuts them pretty much up. They switched to black and white, like, like, a few minutes into the scene. And then the ends a few minutes coming out of the scene. Is that because of, like, a rating system, they needed to bring down the gore? There was too much blood. [00:16:13] Speaker B: I was wondering about that myself, actually. [00:16:14] Speaker A: Yeah. So in a lot of. Again, a lot of, like, samurai movies, martial arts movies, came to the U.S. they purposely put them in black and white so that the blood wasn't red. So it minimized the violence, showing on the screen. And so I don't know if the movie producers forced him to do that or if he just chose to do it to, again, make it look like the style of these movies coming to America. I'm not sure. I, I, I don't think Tarantino would care about the rating that much, but I don't, I, I, I just think he chose to do that to again, pay homage to those classic movies that he grew up watching. [00:16:55] Speaker B: Well, I think it's also rating. [00:16:58] Speaker C: It doesn't move it out of that range no matter what. So I'm not sure. [00:17:01] Speaker B: Well, no, you can go harder than R. You can, yeah, you can go like NC18, stuff like that. [00:17:06] Speaker C: Like there is just on blood and gore. [00:17:08] Speaker B: I don't know, I don't know exactly. [00:17:11] Speaker C: Thirteen exists. [00:17:12] Speaker B: Like, well, this is before those, but yeah, that's true. There is also something to be said about. It just changes up the visuals of what you're looking at. Like, in the age of YouTube, you'll hear a lot of people like, oh, you have to change the camera angle, zoom in a little bit, like, make it visually interesting for the audience. That is a very long fight scene where she is just dominating the entire time. Changing it to black and white raises questions in your head, changes the look of certain things. And then as soon as the black and white ends, the power goes out and then you have this blue background again, different look. You're seeing something different. So even though it is a very long fight scene that is all pretty similar. Like it is, you know, her with a Katana versus 88 other guys with various bladed weapons, it does make it three separate images that you're looking at, essentially. So it does fix it up nicely. I think it, I think it looks really solid. Whether it was a stylistic choice, whether it was the studio selling them to tone it down, I think it works really well for the film either way. [00:18:07] Speaker C: Yeah, I was wondering if there was a version where they don't cut out, cut to black and white. You know, that would probably be if [00:18:13] Speaker A: they, I believe, I believe I read somewhere that in Asia they didn't have black and white. [00:18:19] Speaker C: Oh, well, I'd love to see that. I, I think it would be interesting to see it in full color and see what all that blood looks like when it's spraying around the scene like that. [00:18:27] Speaker B: I mean, you see a lot of blood already and you already see most of that fight scene in like. I think it's actually more interesting in black and white. Well, to switch it to black and white and then to switch it to the blue background. Well, and I'm wondering, same imagery for 12 minutes. [00:18:41] Speaker C: Does the black and white hide things? Like, maybe there's scenes that they recorded in a different sequence, and so there's like, more blood on Uma Thurman or more blood on the wall or whatever, and you don't notice the difference. And they can mix and match in the editing room a little bit because it's all black and white. So you don't pick up on that. I'm just wondering, you know, the technical aspects behind the black and white. Me as a video editor, I want to know what's going on with that. And I'm curious. And so it's. It's interesting to me. [00:19:07] Speaker B: That's fair. We're getting people in the comment section saying things like, in Japan, it is not censored. And in the whole bloody affair, it is color the entire time. So clearly it is. As much as I like it as a stylistic choice, apparently it was to some level for the sensors. [00:19:24] Speaker A: So maybe a more rating rated based. [00:19:27] Speaker B: I think it's kind of great the way it is. [00:19:29] Speaker A: I would. [00:19:29] Speaker B: I would personally leave it, but, I mean, I'll watch it at least once in full color and see if I change my mind on that. [00:19:34] Speaker C: But I was trying to think of anything that I would change or make a difference to in this film. And I really don't have much of anything I could critique. I'd like a little more crisp fight scenes. That opening sequence is rough. There's really nothing else I change about this. I just enjoy the way it's done. [00:19:50] Speaker B: One of the things I would absolutely not change and Quentin Tarantino proves himself to be the master at this over and over and over again, is all the needle drops in this song in this movie. Like, the songs are perfect. They're perfectly placed. They seem to come in and go out exactly when they're supposed to. They're just. They're just so cool. Like, even when it's just like, somebody walking down a hallway, but you have that, like, thumping bass coming in, you're just like, oh, it's so good. And, like, all of it, like, it's. It's not like Jurassic park or Star Wars. We're hearing the same theme over and over and over again. I don't think you hear the same theme twice ever. It's always different. It's always unique. It always fits the scene. And it's just, dare I say, perfect. But it is incredible. [00:20:31] Speaker C: It's actually amazing how he can use a song that you're like, how is this song playing during this fight scene? And yet it works. Right? Like, you. You. Somebody would tell you that a certain song is going to be played during a fight scene. You're going to be like, that's going to take you out of the film or something. But no, it absolutely fits and it's amazing. [00:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah, it was just. [00:20:51] Speaker C: It's incredible. [00:20:53] Speaker B: And not even the fight scenes, like the. The hospital scene where there's just that whistling, like, how you make something that happy, be that menacing, is incredible. Right. Like, she's walking down the hallway, you know, something's wrong here. She starts getting dressed up as the nurse, pulling out what you have to assume is poison or something. And it's just this, like. And it's just like. I don't know how you made that so creepy. [00:21:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Haunting, almost. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've. I've heard multiple sources say that Tarantino hand selected all the music in this movie out of his own personal collection. And you'll. You can tell a lot of the songs are from other movies, other TV shows. You've got the Green Hornet theme song in there and things like that. So it is. It is really cool to hear some of these songs in a different light or see them played in a different light with the action and different dark tones that they. They're getting forced into. So, yeah, I. I think the music in this is really good. The point where, like, I've only seen the movie three, maybe four times, but I know exactly what scene's coming and I know exactly what music's going to play before it. This. The previous scene has ended because it's just like. It's so well put together that you. You just know. It's just. It's just so well done. It just. It's ingrained in you. [00:22:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Now, I don't know if. Because you're saying it's from Green Hornet or something like that. So, like, maybe I would do worse at this than I think I would because it is from other movies as well. But I feel like if you do a trivia game, you're like, hey, what theme song is this from? What theme song is this from? You can play almost anything in this movie, and I'd be like, oh, Kill Bill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. [00:22:47] Speaker A: You might not get the original, but you get it in Kill Bill. [00:22:50] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:22:54] Speaker C: Something I thought was kind of interesting in this movie is that the. The movie is called Kill Bill and it released into theaters. We don't get to see Bill. We don't understand why Bill shot her in the head. We don't get to know anything. And for some reason, that doesn't matter. I am still invested in this movie, and I want to watch it. And I'm following along and loving every minute of it. It's a really interesting play. What happens is, is that you finish this movie, you drive away from the movie theater thinking about all the amazing things that you've just witnessed, and then you start going, I can't wait for volume two, because I want to know more. [00:23:37] Speaker B: I. I absolutely agree. Yeah. The movie. So Kill Bill Volume 2 came out one year later. I don't remember exactly the release dates, but 2003, then 2004 again, obviously, it's supposed to be one movie originally, so it was all filmed at the same time. And it. [00:23:52] Speaker D: It. [00:23:53] Speaker B: I mean, we'll have to talk about that next week, I guess. See how well Kill Bill Volume 2 does follow this up, But I seem to remember it being incredibly satisfying ends to this. But you're right. You don't see Bill in this one. You don't hear the bride's real name in this one. You don't know why. You know what her motives are. She's obviously going for revenge. We don't know what Bill's motives were. I don't care. It's not a plot hole. It's not something that's missing. It's not something I needed. I'm. I'm along for the ride. The movie is her revenge story, and I'm here for it. [00:24:24] Speaker A: Absolutely. I mean, it's obviously a very simple story of revenge. Right. And they set it up and, you know, like, they put it into a nice category of, okay, there's these five people that did this to her. She's gonna go through the list. It's super simple. So you're just along for that ride. And if you're in it, you're in it. And I think that's a. I think that's a Quentin Tarantino thing. Thing. If you're into Quentin Tarantino movies, you're in. I think you either love them or you just don't care for them. And this movie is like, pinnacle. Quentin Tarantino, very simple. You're in or you're out. I fall in the in category. Yeah, it's a fun ride. [00:25:08] Speaker C: Definitely. Definitely in. [00:25:10] Speaker B: I will admit I was really surprised at the very beginning of this movie where it says said the fourth Quentin Tarantino movie. And it makes perfect sense. Like, I know the three that come before this, but just in my brain this was a little bit further into his catalog than it actually is. It's kind of interesting. Like, I don't think Quentin Tarantino has a miss, but if he does, it's probably Jackie Brown. So to go from arguably his first miss, I, I like Jackie Brown, but like, when people talk about the best Quentin Tarantino movies, that doesn't often come up. Right? [00:25:44] Speaker A: I've heard the opposite. I hear a lot of people say Jackie Brown is their favorite Tarantino movie. [00:25:50] Speaker B: That's. I mean, sure, he's only got nine. Everybody has their favorite. I get it. But like Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, Inglorious Bastards, like, these are legit, dare I say classics. Jackie Brown. And then you get Kill Bill. This movie's phenomenal. Again, I don't know that this one comes up that often as people's like, number one favorite, but I don't know, it was just, it was surprising to me to be like, oh, yeah, this is really like pretty early on in his career, all things considered. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, he's, I think he did a lot of writing for other movies, but as like a full picture of his own. And I think the studio letting him do. I think this is the first time the studio really was like, okay, do whatever you want. And then he, he came back with like a four hour movie and they're like, okay, well, we're gonna divide this into two. Maybe don't do whatever you want. But it's, there's still moments and, and he was working on this with Uma since Pulp Fiction, right. Like, they started writing and, and brainstorming this movie in 94. And you can see the callback even from Pulp Fiction where she's talking about the pilot for the. Whatever it is, Fox Force Five, right. Which are these like Badass lady. I think they're good guys in the, in the pilot thing that she's talking about, but very similar character arcs to what you see in this movie, except for they're all villains. Right. And so Uma, I believe, was the one who actually thought of the bride character and how she wanted the movies or her character to be like, scene at the beginning, bloodied in a bridesmaid or in a wedding dress. And so like that kind of launched where the story went from there. So it's kind of cool. Like, this was thought about for a long time, came to fruition with these two. And then I also heard that he was also frantically writing more scenes during filming because he was just like so into it. So it's, it's definitely a project of love and passion, and it shows. [00:27:54] Speaker C: And what amazing opener, too, to see her bloodied on the floor. And to hear Bill's kind of monologue as he says, this is me at my most masochistic. And then she starts to say, the baby's yours as he shoots her in the head. Just so intense, just incredibly dramatic. And it just instantly, the. The villain, Bill is a terribly evil person that you want to know more about, and. And you don't really get much more, but it. It's just. It just hooks you. So really dark. Lots of dark scenes. The hospital scene especially what. What she goes through. Those four years, I kind of felt like that guy getting his head slammed in the door wasn't enough. Got off easy. He got off so easy. Yeah. Yeah. [00:28:42] Speaker B: So I'm under the impression he's dead. [00:28:45] Speaker A: Oh, he's dead. [00:28:45] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. That was too easy for what she went through. [00:28:50] Speaker B: That's. [00:28:50] Speaker C: Well, you know, and to have Bill say, you know, we're not going to kill this lady. We owe this lady. We owe it to this lady to let her live. But if she ever wakes up, she's dead, you know? [00:29:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:03] Speaker C: And so it's. I don't know, man. There's just so much cool stuff to this. Okay, quick question, though. [00:29:09] Speaker B: Sorry, one second. Before you move on, I will let you get to that. But before we do, I do want to say that opening scene, the. The monologue, even just the opening line, I bet you think I'm sadistic, because we're just hearing her ragged breathing, like, over the credits, we don't even see anything. We finally get the picture of her, and she's bloodied up in a wedding dress. I bet you think I'm sadistic. And then he goes on that little monologue, and he's like, I'm not sadistic. Like, this is me being masochistic, basically saying, like, me hurting you is hurting me. Like, it. That could be all you get from Bill for the entire movie, and that would be all you really need. [00:29:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:43] Speaker B: Like, as much as we said, the action in this is, like, the lowest point. Again, still very high, but the lowest point. What Quentin Tarantino does so well in all of his movies, this one included, is dialogue and cinematography. And that opening scene is perfect. Like. Like, again, the Vivica Fox one that follows, maybe not my favorite, but that opening scene with him on the. Her on the floor. My apologies. And the dialogue over it, you don't see his face. That's what hooks you. That's what makes you, like, I have to See what happens next. [00:30:11] Speaker C: Yeah, sorry. [00:30:12] Speaker B: Go ahead with what you're going to say next. Oh, yeah, go ahead. [00:30:14] Speaker A: Right. [00:30:14] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:30:15] Speaker C: Oh, I just had a question. Does Quentin Tarantino have a foot scene in every one of his movies? Is it? Is it? I mean, I know he's got a foot fetish, but are they in all of his movies? [00:30:25] Speaker A: Almost all. [00:30:27] Speaker B: I know if there's one in Reservoir Dogs, but I wouldn't be surprised. [00:30:30] Speaker C: I completely forgot. She's like, wiggle your big toe. And I was like, oh, it's another foot scene. [00:30:38] Speaker B: Oh, I remember that scene for sure. That one. I actually. When she was doing the heavy breathing, I almost thought that was the scene that was going to come up just the instant, like, wiggle your big toe and then kind of show how you got there. [00:30:48] Speaker A: Right. [00:30:48] Speaker B: But yeah, like, it's. You got to remember, this is the guy who wrote From Dusk Till dawn where there's a scene where Salma Hayek is a stripper who pours alcohol down her leg into a guy's mouth and then hired himself to play that guy. [00:31:01] Speaker C: Yeah, right. Like, smart man. [00:31:05] Speaker A: To each their own. No, no, no. Kink James here. [00:31:08] Speaker C: Yep. [00:31:09] Speaker B: No, just. It's just funny to mention, like, once, you know, and you're looking for it, it is in all of the movies. And he's not subtle about it, like, close ups all the time. [00:31:18] Speaker A: Well, even when she's. She's following the. [00:31:23] Speaker B: The. [00:31:24] Speaker A: I don't know, assistant to the. [00:31:27] Speaker B: This. [00:31:28] Speaker A: What's her name, Lucy Liu's character? [00:31:30] Speaker B: Sophie. [00:31:31] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, that's right. [00:31:32] Speaker C: And. [00:31:32] Speaker A: And you see her put her foot on the gas and it's open toe shoes. Like, you don't have to see that, but with Quentin, you do. [00:31:40] Speaker C: With Quinton Y. Do you guys have anything you don't like about this movie? Anything that offended you, something that was done terribly wrong? I mean, anything. Like, I already said what I had a problem with, and it's not even that big of an issue. What are your. Your sticking points here? [00:31:55] Speaker B: So there's nothing that I really, really dislike about this movie. But the two things that came to mind when you first said that, I have to go into a weird little story here. Aaron Sorkin's one of my favorite writers, creator of the West Wing, wrote movies like Few Good Men. Other things. He had one show after the West Wing that only lasted for one season called Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, where it's essentially like, behind the scenes of snl, like Saturday Night Live, during the Thanksgiving episode, they are supposed to do an A show called. Or a short called Thanksgiving with Quentin Tarantino. And the whole gag of that is going to be that, like, when they cut the turkey open, it's gonna kill Bill all over the place in this, like, gigantic fountain of blood. You don't see any of this. It's just talked about after the fact. But they're mentioning, like, the. The producer, one of the guys who. The. Oh, what are they called? The guys who make the props. The. Will, come on. You're a theater guy. Who makes the props? [00:32:49] Speaker A: Well, I mean, they're usually, I don't know, engineers. [00:32:52] Speaker B: One of those guys is like, that's not very realistic. So he makes it bleed like a turkey bleed. So it's just like a trickle of blood coming down. And they're like, that was so much more disturbing than it was actually was. Like, it's supposed to be this big gag, and instead it's just like we're just murdering a turkey. I. I can't watch this movie without thinking of that scene. Every single time that she, like, cuts a person's arm open and a fire hose of blood just explodes all over the wall. It's so over the top. It's so stupid. I know that it's a style. He's clearly going for something. It doesn't do it for me personally, with the one exception of. I think it's the animated scene where she kills the guy and the blood flows all over and so it makes a silhouette of her against the wall on the wall. That one I actually like quite a bit. But most of the time when she just, like, cuts his arm off and there's just a fire hose of blood, I'm just like, that's. It's not. For me. It's not like it's too gory. It's just silly. But the other thing is kind of. I was thinking about this kind of like how you said with Avatar, how so many of the humans are just, like, pure evil. There's a lot of real evil in this movie. Like. Like, not quite mustache twirling, but, like, you had to make the. The yakuza boss a pedophile. You had to make the janitor a rapist. You had to make. There's another one that I've blanked on at the moment, but you know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of, like, really dark, and I'm just kind of like, okay, that's the. [00:34:10] Speaker C: The dark is. Is good and I enjoy it, but it's hard to watch, and it does make me feel emotionally bad. Seeing such incredible, negative, horrifying stuff. It is. It is hard, but I wouldn't change it. It's part of the film. [00:34:30] Speaker A: Agree. [00:34:30] Speaker C: But it's rough. It's rough. [00:34:32] Speaker B: It makes it so that you're not only not upset when she killed somebody, but you're actually like, yeah, that guy. [00:34:39] Speaker C: Yeah. Right. [00:34:39] Speaker A: Like, not only that, she is also was an assassin with all of these people. She's not a good person either. Right. You have to remember she's not a good person, but she got betrayed and, you know, lost her child and all of that by these people. So you have to give the character a reason to root for them. And so having all these more horrible things happen to her allows you to root for her easily in the movie. And I think that's the major reason why. And because her story is so dark, it has to just get really dark. [00:35:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:15] Speaker A: Or you can. Before you can turn on that right. And turn fast, you have to turn fast. [00:35:21] Speaker B: You never see anything that I remember in this one or that I remember from the next one. Like, she's an assassin, obviously. You know, she does bad things, but you don't really hear about any of the bad things that she did or you don't really see any of the bad things she did. Because you do want her to be your protagonist, despite the fact that she's got a very shady past, I think we have to assume. I don't think you see much of it. I think you see a little bit of her past in the next one in the training montage where she. She goes to Japan. But that's. That's kind of it, if I remember correctly. [00:35:52] Speaker C: Well, and you see when she. The. The first fight scene with Vivica Fox where she doesn't forgive Vivica Fox, she's like, no, this is a revenge movie, and I'm gonna kill you. And if I have to do it in front of your daughter, I will. I don't want to, but I will. And she does. And she even tells the daughter. She's kind of like, hey, tough luck, kid. You want to come find me? I get that. But this had to happen. Didn't want it to, but it did. And then she just bounces. Like, she really doesn't. Yeah, she's not a good person. [00:36:28] Speaker A: On top of that, she says, hey, this isn't even us being even. Us being even is me killing your husband and your child. [00:36:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:34] Speaker A: And you. I'm. I'm letting you off lightly. Right? Yeah. Like, it does show her darker side, but you don't see her go to that darkness because. I don't know. She's still in mourning. I don't know. [00:36:46] Speaker C: Yeah, well. [00:36:46] Speaker B: And even then, she doesn't strike first. Like, Vivica Fox gets the jump on her, and it's just a terrible shot. [00:36:52] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, it's hard to aim it through a cereal box, which [00:36:55] Speaker B: I did think you're a trained assassin. [00:36:58] Speaker A: She's been out of the biz, I think, though, you know, she's been out of the business. [00:37:03] Speaker B: Been in a coma for four years. [00:37:05] Speaker C: Movie, Dan, you can't end it 15 minutes in. [00:37:09] Speaker B: Well, it's all chronologically messed up. Just make that the last one. You're good. [00:37:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:14] Speaker A: I do love the Kaboom cereal, though. I thought that was hilarious. It was good. [00:37:19] Speaker B: Yeah. There's a couple things that are on the nose, but in the best possible way. [00:37:22] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:37:23] Speaker C: Will, is. Is there anything you would change? Anything? Any low points in the film for you, stuff that bothered you? [00:37:28] Speaker A: I mean, again, I think I mentioned the two little things, and I. I think the pacing is a little off in this movie. It goes from, like, slow, very slow, to, like, some action, then slow. And it just feels a little jarring. But that's partly because, as Dan said it. It's out of order chronologically for a good reason, because that main fight is the best fight to have at the end. But I think it, again, is the breaking up of this one movie into two parts that makes you feel off at the end of it. And you don't. They try to leave it on the cliffhanger. I do. Right. They say that your daughter's not dead just to make sure you go to come back for that second movie. But, yeah, it just felt. It feels off to me a little bit, and then a little bit just. I felt like the. The fights throughout just don't quite hold up to maybe what Tarantino wanted to do, whether he was able to accomplish it or not. I think it just kind of feels a little bit low in comparison to the movies he's growing up with and trying to celebrate in this movie. [00:38:41] Speaker C: I think even with the way his. His fight scenes are portrayed and play out, I think maybe at the time they were good enough. They just don't quite hold up as well to what we've seen today. And. And I want to. And I don't want to, like, compare it to John Wick. I'm talking about other movies that do the same stylized fight scenes. They've learned how to do it better than this. Not bad again, but We've seen better. [00:39:07] Speaker A: I disagree because I think the movies that he is inspired by are better than this. [00:39:13] Speaker C: Oh. Oh, you do? Okay. [00:39:15] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, one. I mean, they kind of created those genres, and a lot of, you know, those martial arts movies have Bruce Lee, the best martial artist ever in them. So it's hard to even compare. But I just. I just feel like he tried, you know, put Uma in the same yellow jumper as Bruce Lee. Amazing. She looks badass, but obviously her fighting is not going to stand up to his. And it just. It's just hard to accept. Like, oh, it's so. It's so close. You know, it just doesn't quite quite get there. But, you know, in some ways, it's the thought that counts because you are paying homage to it and it is a celebration of those movies. [00:40:07] Speaker B: Well, I mean, Quentin Tarantino is well known for his dialogue. Right. Like, that is kind of his number one bread and butter. His cinematography is also excellent. His music is incredible. Like, he's. He does a lot of things in a lot of movies that he does them very, very well. This is the first time he's taken on action to this level. It kind of makes sense that, like, maybe that would be a little bit weaker. And again, when I say weaker, like 8 out of 10 instead of 9 or 10 out of 10. Right. Like, it's. I'm not saying it's bad by any stretch. Don't take that. [00:40:34] Speaker A: No, no. We're just trying to pick. We're just trying to pick the little things. [00:40:37] Speaker B: Exactly. Well, because you have to. There's. There's no big threads to pick at this. There's no, like, oh, my God, this whole one thing is awful. But anyways, up until now, like, his movies, the. The extent of action that you get is kind of like, you know, the Mexican standoff in Reservoir Dogs. [00:40:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:40:54] Speaker B: Like, it's. It's a very short, like, bam, bam. And it's over. It's not an extended fight scene like you get in this one. So to go from that to this, as well as he does it, I think is still really, really solid. It's not my favorite fight scenes in movies, but it's in the conversation. [00:41:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:12] Speaker B: At least in the last 25 years. [00:41:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:14] Speaker A: It still. It still holds up for. Again, because it's stylized, that. That goes a long way because it. It's. It's taking from these martial arts movies, these samurai movies that are stylized in the same manner. The main fight with Lucy Liu is like, out in the snow. It's it's like a direct rip from the movie. What's it called? I got it in my notes here. It's too many. There's so many movies. It's called Snow Blood. Yeah. 1973. And she's like, even in a similar outfit, you know, like, he is tearing it from the pages of the scripts of these other movies. And it's because it's what he grew up with, and it makes total sense. He just has, like, this movie burns its images into my mind. Those movies burn their images into his, and so it makes sense. And he's blatantly said many times that he straight out steals things from other movies. And that's what art is. You know, it's always a stealing and reimagining of things you've seen and things that have inspired you. Right. And so it's. It's fine. It's great. [00:42:19] Speaker D: What. [00:42:19] Speaker B: What's the. [00:42:20] Speaker A: Hard to argue with it. [00:42:21] Speaker B: There's a saying, like, a good artist will borrow from other artists. A great one will steal outright. [00:42:26] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly. [00:42:27] Speaker B: And Quentin Tarantino is one of the greats, so. Makes sense, you know. [00:42:31] Speaker C: And. And that Lady Snowblood scene, what a great line. When she, you know, she insults her and then she says, come at me with everything you have, and she's able to slash her on the leg. And, you know, they stop and she says, I, you know, I apologize for my earlier call. Me. And she's like, thank you. And it was like this crazy mutual respect between two assassins that are dead set on murdering each other. It was just such a weird thing for them to. To do that, to include that into that scene. I loved it. I. I was just like, wow. What? That, that. That's. That dialogue that just takes that scene to another level. [00:43:09] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. That's probably my favorite fight scene, if only because it's so gorgeous. [00:43:16] Speaker A: Yeah, it's beautiful. And it's. It's a very good attention to detail as well, because being able to cut someone on their back is like an insult to their abilities. Right. It's like great shame as a swordsman to allow somebody that opening. So having that in the movie itself is, like, really cool. And that's why she says, you know, you're a disgrace and all this. So it's a really cool attention to detail for the historical reasons as well. So it's. It's cool that Quentin Tarantino, he really dives deep into these things and knows his stuff. And then I. I've heard this. I don't know if it's true. I haven't timed it again. I've only seen the movie, like three times. But she says at the beginning this won't be longer than five minutes and it'll be over. And I pretty sure I've heard a lot of people say the whole scene takes four minutes and, like 59 seconds. [00:44:09] Speaker B: I totally forgot about that. But I feel like you're right. Like, I feel like I've also heard that many times, which is like, if [00:44:16] Speaker A: that's true, again, I haven't done it. Maybe I'll go back in time it. That's incredible restraint and commitment and like, again, attention to detail to, like, get that within the window is amazing. [00:44:32] Speaker C: Moving on to Kill Bill Volume two next week. Be sure to like and subscribe. What do you guys. What are you hoping to see out of volume two? It's been long enough since I've seen Volume two that I don't remember it very well. And so I'm kind of curious what's gonna happen. I've heard other people say that they liked it better. I've heard other people say that they. It was a travesty compared to number one, so. And I. And I don't remember. What are you guys hoping for? What are you expecting? Dan, what do you think? [00:45:04] Speaker B: I couldn't tell you. Beat for beat. What happens in the next movie by any stretch? As I said, it's probably been at least a decade, if not closer to two. No, a decade price. I've seen this. I feel like it does not disappoint. But I also feel like I like the first one more. But when I say that, it's like, you know, again, it's like a 90 out of 100 versus an 89 out of 100. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like, oh, this is a steep fall off, like it. Or something like that. I think it was just one of those, like. I just like the first one a little bit more. That being said, I feel like there are scenes in the second one where I'm just like, that is so incredibly well done. So I'm really looking forward to that. What do I want in the next one? I'd love. I'd love to love the fight scenes more than I did in this one. I'm not. Again, I'm not trying to harp on the fight scenes. It's just. That was the one thing I was like, oh, I kind of wanted to go back to the bar and talk to the Japanese man. Like, that was. That was more my speed. And I think you do get. I think if I remember correctly, the fight with Bud is a bit more like that. Like it is a bit more like dramatic flair than all out ridiculousness. But I could be wrong. Maybe it's not even a fight with him, it's just in the trailer. But whatever that scene is in the desert, I feel like it is very satisfying and I, I can't wait to get back into it. What about you, Will? [00:46:22] Speaker A: I'm. What am I looking to get out of it? The title of the film. I think I. I hope they kill Bill. Otherwise the whole title is. Is travesty. But that said, I think I've only seen the second movie once. I've seen this one multiple times. I've only seen the second one once. Maybe because it does give the closure of the movie. I didn't feel the need to go back to it. Not saying that I enjoyed it less. We'll have to watch and see. And that, that being said again, I don't, I can't out of top of my head just like recall the music and the scenes like I can in this one. But when I watch it, it could just come flooding back. I wouldn't be surprised if it did and I'm hoping it does. [00:47:06] Speaker B: Yeah, [00:47:09] Speaker C: well, I'm just hoping for some continuity. I want to see how this all plays out. I want to remember, you know, which order things happen in and how they. They finish. Because I, I really, I know I've seen Volume two. Can't remember anything about it. It so very curious. I'd love some more Hanzo. I that sequence when he bestows the sword to her and, and all the buildup to it her from, from the moment she walks into his sushi joint to the time that she takes the sword and leaves is just phenomenal. Probably my favorite part of the film. I just enjoy that whole sequence from start to finish so much in every way. She walks upstairs and sees those beautiful swords on the walls. The music, the ambiance of her and everything. And then she has the conversation with him and he's never going to make another sword again. It's been 28 years and he's sworn to God he'd never create an instrument of death. And then she says it's to kill Bill. And he says it'll be a month. Why don't you start practicing? I'm just. Oh God, it's so good. So good. [00:48:15] Speaker B: Even so one of the things I remember not loving in 2003 is like. She's like, oh, you know, I'm gonna Use it against, like, your student or something like that. And he goes up to the glass and he writes Bill's name on the glass, and it's just. It drags just the tiniest little bit, or it did for me in the past, and I think I got it this time where it's like he can't even be brought to say his name. Like, he has his way down, and then she walks up and she snuffs him out. And then she takes that little bit and even stuffs out just the tiniest little bit more. Just like, nothing left of them. [00:48:46] Speaker C: And I'm like, so perfect. [00:48:47] Speaker B: Damn it. I like that a lot more in 2025 than I did in 2003. Like, yay. I'm learning. I'm growing. [00:48:53] Speaker C: Yeah, very. [00:48:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I. I really enjoy that, too. Sonny Chiba was the actor who played Hanzo, and he actually played hanzo in a TV show in the 80s called Shadow of Warriors. So Tarantino sought him out to play the role in this because he saw him in that, you know, 30 years ago, which I thought, that's really cool. And again goes. It says a lot about Tarantino and how much he knows about the movies he loves. Right. And. And the TV and the industry that he loves. You can't. You can't hold that against him at all. Like, there's hard to find mistakes in. In those kind of areas. And then a big shout out. I can't remember her first name. Belle is her last name. Is the stunt double for Uma. She actually chops that baseball in half in that scene. Yeah, they did that. [00:49:47] Speaker B: Wow. [00:49:48] Speaker A: Actually did that. And very, very good. I mean. I mean, I was ragging on the fight scenes a little bit, but that's. That stunt double did some amazing stunt work in this movie. By all means. By all means. [00:50:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:03] Speaker A: No, let's get a couple more guys. [00:50:05] Speaker B: Well, ironically, they think. Funny you should mention that. We've actually got a special guest here. We've got Justin, AKA Zero justice, joining us for a minute. How are you doing, sir? [00:50:18] Speaker D: I'm good. [00:50:18] Speaker B: How are you guys doing? I'm doing very, very well. I have wanted to do this for quite some time. Just kind of bring on a guest at the end of the episode for, like, two, five minutes. I hear what they have to say. You've been super active in the comments section. I know we were talking about this movie a couple of weeks ago, so I would love to hear what you have to say about Kill Bill. The floor is all yours. [00:50:36] Speaker D: Hopefully introduce yourself better. Hi, I'm Justin, my. My Internet name is 0justice21 and I am a pretty big fan of Quentin Tarantino in just in general. It's funny enough because I, as much as I love Kill Bill, especially volume one, I think it is stronger than volume two. But I also have like, it's like the rose colored lenses because I've never watched them back to back. I watched one and then like two years later I watched two thinking that it was going to be more of what one was. I didn't go in with it with the idea that it's a continuation of the same movie I went in it with. I'm looking for more of what volume one was and that's not what it is. So now that I have that mentality, I really do want to watch volume two again with the different mindset and I think my opinion will be different. But even with that being said, as much as I love Kill Bill, Volume one, it is probably number three or four for Quentin Tarantino films in general, which is saying a lot because volume one's fantastic. Some of the highlighted points that I make, I'm really big when it comes to music in movies. That's one of my biggest go to things. The audio for me can make or break a movie. It can make it from a 10 out of 10 to a 1 out of 10. The setup scene with Oronichi with the queen of the crime Council when she's going about everything is just fantastic. Then you have the 5, 6, 7, 8 doing woohoo. You have Bang Bang from Nancy Sinatra. You have Battle Without Honor, Humanity. You have the Green Hornet theme. You have Twisted nerve with the whistling. It's like I have the. This soundtrack on CD still. Like that's how awesome the entire soundtrack was for me personally. And I just rewatched I actually the first time, because I didn't. I never knew that they did that scene in color. I, I sent it over to Dan already. But the scene of the crazy 88s versus, you know, the bride, Black Mamba, and seeing it in color with the unedited version, it completely changes it. I love it even more now. So that might change my overall thoughts on it. But yeah, that, that's where I stand on this movie. It's a great movie and if you haven't seen it, I definitely would. [00:53:17] Speaker B: Nice. Yeah, he sent me that in Discord and it's definitely something I'll be checking out like the second I'm not live. I'm very much looking forward to it. You said this is your number three Quentin Tarantino. Do you know, off the top of your head, what goes before it? [00:53:32] Speaker D: My number one, my one and two, and it's all depending on what mood I'm in, is Inglourious Basterds and Reservoir Dogs. Those movies are just. In my opinion, there's as close to perfect films as you can get from how much they hook you, and for completely different reasons. Like, you have Inglourious Bastards historical movie, obviously parodied in a lot of ways, but it's set in that historical time frame, and they do a lot of things that are relevant to that. Christoph Waltz also, like, I fell in love with him because of that movie. [00:54:12] Speaker B: So good. [00:54:13] Speaker D: And you have that. And then you have Rise before. It takes place in one. I know technically two, because you have the diner scene beforehand, but, like, it [00:54:20] Speaker B: takes place in one room. And mostly you do have a couple of flashback scenes. [00:54:25] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. But I'm saying, like, the actual, like, movie takes place in a room. [00:54:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:31] Speaker D: And you're on the edge of your seat the whole time, watching, waiting to see what happens next. It's. It's incredible. I love how they did it. [00:54:38] Speaker B: Yeah. It could absolutely be a stage play. And you just trim out those other scenes or, you know, like, have one set for the diner and then trim out the other scene where you find that the guy's a cop pretty much. And you'd be. You'd be basically fine. [00:54:48] Speaker D: You could have, like, a narrator do a. Like a. Like, almost like a monologue to the. To the crowd about how he's a cop. And there you go, you're done. It's like. That summarizes the whole thing real quick. [00:55:02] Speaker B: Thank you very much for joining us. Appreciate that. I'd love to again get a few more guests like this. Just have some people come on for a couple of minutes, tell us why they love the movie or why they don't love the movie, and get their overall takes on it. So thank you very much again. Where can people find you? [00:55:16] Speaker D: YouTube, Twitch, 0justice21. Easy as that. [00:55:21] Speaker B: Very nice. [00:55:22] Speaker D: Trying to be on more and more with everything Perfect. 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Shout out to our producers as well as our executive producers, including Real Bubba, Hotep and Dino and our writers Elder JM990 and Ms. Hillary. They're going to be working together to try and figure out what we're going to watch for Patreon Pick this month. Looking forward to it. This is our second month ever having two head writers. We had it's Hugh and Elder Jam in October after the anniversary. So I'm very curious what Miss Hillary and him come up with. [00:59:07] Speaker C: And thank you guys for the support. Love it. Absolutely love seeing people come into the to to the Discord Channel. Even if you can't support us, you know, log into that Discord Channel and you can come in at the at the opening level and chat with us a bit. See what you think. [00:59:24] Speaker B: Nice. [00:59:25] Speaker C: Okay. We've just kind of been oogling this movie from start to finish. It's hard to find anything that's really bad about it. Everything about it is great. I wouldn't consider myself a huge Tarantino fan, but after watching this It's Been a While, I kind of want to go back through his catalog and check some things out. This movie kind of surprised me. Coming in real high. I may need to think about adjusting my top 20 list. I'm giving this movie a 96. It's really well made and there are very few things done wrong. You can there's nothing done wrong. There's just a few things that maybe could be tweaked to be a little bit better. And I don't even mind at All. So this movie comes in real high for me. And I was actually surprised by that number after going through my list of stuff and. And doing all my calculations. But that's where it is. [01:00:19] Speaker B: Okay, I. I have a very similar viewpoint where I was a little surprised by how much I love this one. As I mentioned, I watched this when it first came out. I really enjoyed it. I tried watching it like a decade ago. We didn't finish it. I don't remember 100% why, but I think that put a sour taste in my mouth. Watching this again the other day, I was blown away by how quickly it moves. I was blown away by how much I was enjoying it. I was blown away by all the sound and, like, how much each one of them brought me right back into the scene, brought me right back to the movie. And it flew by. For this movie being. I think it's just under two hours, it didn't feel that length at all. Like, I knew that the obanishi scene was the last scene scene. So when we got there, I was kind of like, okay, this makes sense that it's the end. But I was also kind of looking at my watch, like, how are we done already? Like, this doesn't make sense to me. I. I don't necessarily have the pacing issues that Will was mentioning. I think this movie flies by. Almost every scene is absolutely electric. The music top notch, the acting top notch. There's no character that I can point to be like, oh, it would have been better if they maybe replace them, or maybe they weren't quite as good as I was hoping they would be. The action, again, is maybe the low point, and it's still an incredibly high point. Like, there's be the action would be a high point in most other movies. It's just that everything else in this is so incredible that it looks low by comparison. I don't know if that made any sense, but it makes sense to me. This is coming in at a 94 for me. I loved it. I. I loved it way more than I thought I was going to. I think you're muted, sir. [01:01:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I am. [01:01:40] Speaker A: Thank you. I didn't want to interrupt the other ratings while I was gasping in disbelief. No. Although I am coming in on the lowest on this movie. I don't know, maybe it's the genre for me. I. I don't know if it quite holds up because Quentin Tarantino isn't an action movie. Not in the same way. He's more of like a crime movie guy. And this is a crime movie. But I feel like it really hones in on action. But it's more a tribute to the great action movies of the past than a great action movie itself. And so while everything else is like, top marks, I feel like the genre itself is why it dips for me personally. That being said, I love this movie. I really enjoy it. I really can't. We tried to pick it apart, and we had trouble doing that. It's very stylized. It pays homage to so many movies. I've. I've read different articles up to like, 36, up to, like, 50 different movies that. And, you know, some of those are like, oh, this could be in reference to this, but it's not direct, indirect reference. There's probably at least a dozen movies that you can really see in this movie. And that's okay with me. I. I actually quite like that about Tarantino. So in. [01:03:09] Speaker C: In all the other categories, this. [01:03:11] Speaker A: This really held up really well. Overall, it's an 86 out of 100, not quite hitting that 90 mark for me. And maybe it's because the movie got broken into two. I'm actually really looking forward to seeing the whole bloody affair to see if that fixes some of my issues with this installment. But we'll have to wait and see. [01:03:30] Speaker B: And with that, we have Kill Bill coming in at the top spot. Now, we've seen it happened before where a movie will come in super hot, and then the sequel will kind of bring it down, or maybe the next three will really bring it down. It'll fall pretty hard. I don't know that I see that happening. I think there's a decent chance that Kill Bill is going to take that top spot. It would have to drop a lot to get below the Dollars trilogy. What do you guys think about that? Do you think that might be accurate? Are you okay with that? [01:03:56] Speaker C: Go ahead. [01:03:58] Speaker A: No, I'm just gonna say something stupid. [01:04:00] Speaker C: So you. [01:04:01] Speaker B: That's why you're here. [01:04:03] Speaker C: I. Before I re. Watched this the other night, I would have said, sure, it'll. It'll be high someplace. But, you know, whatever. After watching it, I thought, man, this is probably going to take the top spot. And if. If Volume two is as good, obviously it'll stay up there. I'm hoping it is as good. I don't mind. You know, this is. We have a lot of great franchises on here. Kill Bill is one of those franchises that, you know, it's swinging for the fences, right. And I'm hoping we get more of these as we grow a little more sure of ourselves and Our ability to critique these films and dive into them. I'm hoping we start tackling some more that really just jump to the top of this list like Kill Bill did. [01:04:53] Speaker B: It's also easier because it is only two. Or maybe it gets a. It has a better shot of landing. [01:04:59] Speaker C: Yeah, that's true. And made as one movie too. So it's almost like, you know, it's almost a cheat. It's almost a cheat. [01:05:07] Speaker A: I said we're gonna get flooded in the comments sections. People just being like, that's not a franchise. That can't be the top of the list. Take it down. Burning our whole channel up just like that. That's what's gonna happen. That's. [01:05:18] Speaker B: Hey, if we can get a lot of people coming in and yelling at us, at least it's a lot of people coming in. I'll freaking take it at this point. Whatever we gotta do. [01:05:27] Speaker A: No, for sure. I mean, yeah, it makes sense to me that it's going to be up there high and it's gonna stay high. Right. Same thing with the Dollar trilogy. There's a reason it's really high. It was three good movies. Was it a franchise? [01:05:42] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:05:43] Speaker A: But it has been deemed one over time, so it's fine. And yeah, when you have less but quality throughout, it's gonna stay higher than a lot of these nine movie epic franchises that dip and dive all over the place. [01:06:01] Speaker B: It is kind of funny that our top two movies or top two franchises. Sorry. Are both potentially cheats. [01:06:08] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [01:06:09] Speaker B: We'll see how that goes in the long run. But whatever. Here we are. [01:06:14] Speaker C: YouTube, come at me. [01:06:15] Speaker B: There's also only so many nine movie epics I really want to do. Every now and then I was like, no, no, let's use some art for a change. See what that looks like. [01:06:23] Speaker A: 100. What about you, Dan? What about you? You didn't really say where. What your thoughts were on the. On placement. [01:06:32] Speaker B: Oh, I, I started. I think. I think there's a really solid chance this is going to be the top movie and potentially the top movie for quite some time. Franchise, I should say. Not movie. [01:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Rightfully so though. Rightfully. I mean. [01:06:44] Speaker B: Well, okay, so again, if we go back, like there's a lot of solid movie franchises on here that don't make it all that high. Like we've got one. I don't know about the American system, but we've got one A on the list until tonight. Now we've got our second one finally. [01:06:58] Speaker A: Right. [01:06:59] Speaker B: That's a lot. Like we've been doing this for a year and a half and we've got one a like, it's just like, even if we find a franchise that like, is got a really solid first movie, usually they fall down. Or maybe we have a franchise that one of us absolutely loves. I'm looking at, like, Evil Dead, where you guys really are high on that one and I'm just not. Yeah, it's hard to find a franchise that is quality all the way through that all three of us are going to agree on. And again, like, Kill Bill has that huge advantage of only being two movies. So I could see this being very high. Maybe not 92 high, but I can see this being very high. And I can see this being the top for a hot minute, for sure. [01:07:39] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [01:07:41] Speaker B: All right, that's our rating of Kill Bill Volume one, But what's yours? I'd love to hear from you. Leave a comment down below. We record this live over at Twitch TV themonguly show every Thursday night at 9:00pm Eastern Standard Time. So head over there, hit the follow button so we can interact with you live. Or if you enjoyed the video, you made it this far, you probably did hit like and subscribe so that we see you in the next one. [01:08:03] Speaker D: Sa.