Ep 98 - Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines (2003)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Saving the world from judgment Day. John Connor is grown up and uncertain of what his future holds after a childhood of being told exactly what his future held. But perhaps his future is set in stone. After all, as history, the future, and sequels all have a way of repeating themselves. [00:00:26] Speaker B: Completely overrated. [00:00:28] Speaker C: Hello everybody and welcome back to our Raiding the Show where I get together with two of my friends, we take a movie franchise, break it down by movie, give an overall score, and throw it back up on the board to see where it lands compared to the other movie franchises. This week we're talking about 2003's Terminator 3, and unfortunately will is not around to join us this week. We're gonna have his review at the end of the show, but for now I am joined by my friend Brian. Brian, how are you doing this week? [00:00:50] Speaker B: I'm doing really good. One of my favorite shows just put out a new season which is alone. I forget what the new one's called, but it's alone. They put 10 people out in the woods and they have to survive. The last person standing wins like a half a million dollars or something. And I really like that survival show and the skills that they teach and stuff. So I've been staying up way past my bedtime watching that. That's kind of my big highlight for the week. Otherwise, I've been been staying pretty chill and working pretty hard. How about you, Dan? How's your week been? [00:01:23] Speaker C: So it's been a bit of a weird up and down week. It's been one of those like when it rains, it pours kind of things. I don't know if I mentioned this last week, but kind of just before we went live last week, we found out that my grandmother had actually taken a bit of a tumble, so she spent most of the week in the hospital. Unfortunately, she's back at home now. She's doing as well as you can expect at 101, but that was kind of a focal point for my week. Shifting to the positives. I'm a huge Gears of War fan. I pre ordered Gears War E day and I just got an email last night saying that the beta is going to be open all weekend long. So I got out about two hours of Gears of War and right before we went live here had an absolute blast. I am terrible at the game as per always, but thoroughly enjoyed it. And actually I talked to you and a couple of the fans and a bunch of us just bought gears of War 5, so I can finally check that one off my list. Yeah, so very excited for that so pretty, pretty good. Pretty good note to end the week on. But that being said, we're here to Talk about Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines. This is the first Terminator movie that I saw in theaters because I didn't get to see one or two. That was definitely not going to happen in my household as an R rated movie at like 9 or whenever the second one came out. What about you, Brian? Do you remember the first time you saw Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines? [00:02:36] Speaker B: I think I saw this in theaters and then never saw it again. If that's any clue to how well this rating is going to go. I don't really remember if I did see it. And I mean, I'm a huge fan of the franchise. I really was excited when I heard this was coming out. I remember being younger and not researching movies before they came out. And, and so when I, I think my expectations were high when I went to the theaters and there were a few things in this film that immediately bothered me and set me off on the wrong foot, which I had a better take on it this time. Knowing that was coming and expecting it and just letting that go and not ruin the rest of the film for me. [00:03:15] Speaker C: I think, yeah, at the time this one came out, I definitely would have been old enough to go see an R rated movie, but I feel like the friends that I went with weren't. And so we ended up buying tickets for Charlie's Angels, the, the sequel, whatever the second Charlie's Angels was. And then just going across into Terminator 3 because some of them couldn't get in. I don't know. I don't know why. That's a memory that jumps out. I think that's the only time I've ever done that before. And it was for this of all films. Yeah, yeah, let's, let's jump right into this paycheck for Arnold of a movie. [00:03:44] Speaker B: I, when, when this movie started up, I was really interested in the way it was going to open. How is this going to happen? And of course the introduction to the Terminators or you know, in the first was recent a Terminator. But the Terminators come in in their little orbs from the future and how they get their clothing, get their first opening personality. Do we know which one's good, which one's bad? We talked about that in number two because people who actually were unaware of it, like my children, didn't know that Arnold was the good guy into. And so the entire first 15 minutes of the movie was kind of a big Letdown for me. We had the opening dream sequence or narrative from John Connor and that looked like more of what we had already seen, just a different angle, you know, on it and it wasn't really all that intriguing to me. And then we moved to Arnold Schwarzenegger coming in naked and walking into the bar, which was one of those humorous scenes that at first it really worked. It was kind of funny that he walks into Ladies Night at this biker bar and he's completely naked and all the different reactions and so I was kind of enjoying that. And then he gets up on stage with the stripper and like takes his clothes off and does the whole talking to the hand gag, which wasn't all that funny. And then just walks out of the bar wearing the stripper's clothes and everybody's still having a great time in there. I mean those women must have been really, really drunk for that. Not to get weird on stage walking him, like watching him just force that guy out of his clothes and getting dressed and leaving like that just, it just didn't make any sense to me. And what, it was kind of weird. I didn't really like that. And then of course the female, the tx, her introduction to it was also a little bit weird. And all of it just kind of set the tone, the pace for this. Hey, we're going to see a lot of duplicate stuff that we've seen. The Terminators aren't going to be as cool or good acting or as well thought out as we have seen. Their styles and mannerisms are different and awkward and unusual to what we've seen before. That was the first 15 minutes for me. It was basically telling me, hey, this movie isn't really going to be what you wanted. [00:05:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I agree with a lot of what you just said. I didn't. I actually liked the bar scene quite a bit to a point, which is like introducing a little bit of humor, but in a way that does kind of make sense. Like when he shows up for the women's night and like he's naked and they're just like, hey, go around the back because they're expecting naked dudes, right? They're not, it's not weird in that situation. But he's not listening. He's just doing his own thing, goes in, all the women are fawning over him because I mean even he's got to be like 40 at this point. But even 40 year old Arnold is still pretty chiseled. Good looking dude, as you mentioned, gets on stage, we don't see the transaction between how the guy gets naked, the guy gets dressed. But, like, theoretically, for all the women in the stage, you've got one naked guy, and all of a sudden there's two naked guys. I think they're having a great time. I don't think there's any complaints going on there. It's not until. I mean, the talk to the hand is kind of lame, but, I mean, there's a lot of lame moments like that for me, at least in Terminator 2 as well. So that's kind of like a. Okay, that's. That's this movie's Oscar la vista, baby. Who cares? It's not until you get outside and he puts the Elton. Elton John Stargill asses on, where I'm just like, oh, they think they're funny. Oh, no. [00:06:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:51] Speaker C: No, no, no, no. [00:06:51] Speaker B: They took it. They took it way too far with that. At first I wanted to laugh at the joke, but then I was like, it just doesn't make any sense that the Terminator would put those on and then take them off and choose to get different glasses. Like, all of it. Just. I wanted it to be a little more serious. And this movie didn't feel like it was taking itself seriously. [00:07:11] Speaker C: Right. It's one of those things where, like, as soon as he put them on, not only am I wondering why he's putting starglasses on, but it brings up the question, why is he wearing glasses at night at all? Like, in the first movie, he does it to hide the fact that he cut his eye out so he can look more human. Yeah, but there's no logical reason why you would want to have worse eyesight. And I get that they've got better eyesight than we do, but they still have to have light go through shade, and there's less light at night. Like, it just doesn't make any logical sense. It's one of those things I've said this many times on the show where, like, if you make a premise and you go with it, I'll follow you. But once you start breaking rules, my brain starts hurting. And this movie, for the franchise, feels like it breaks a lot of its own rules and just kind of drove me insane a little bit. [00:07:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm with you on that. [00:08:01] Speaker C: Yeah. So he comes in, does that scene. It works for the most part. The glasses are a little over the top, but so be it. And then we get Christina lan coming in as the tx. The. The new liquid metal with a chassis. Chases. [00:08:16] Speaker B: Chassis. [00:08:17] Speaker C: Chassis. Thank you. Coming to this film. And I understand the Concept that having a robotic frame underneath allows her to make complex machines, which is what the T1000 lacked. But it just didn't make her feel more threatening in most situations. And in fact, she used a gun anyways to kill all the humans. She's still just using a pistol. So, like, what did she gain from doing that other than just differentiating herself from t1000? [00:08:48] Speaker B: Less stabbing. She did have the Terminator gun arm thing that she used, which was ineffectual. She had a direct hit on Arnold with a gun designed to destroy Arnold, and it didn't do anything to Arnold but wear out one of his batteries. [00:09:07] Speaker C: Well, so that's the weird part, though. Why are you designing a Terminator that's equipped to destroy Terminators? Why wouldn't you design one that is descriptive or equipped to destroy humans? Yeah, like, it's got an electrical gun to take out Terminators. And it did. [00:09:22] Speaker A: It did. [00:09:22] Speaker C: It did slow Arnold down for quite some time. He was kind of like laying there half dazed for a while. They need to throw his dead battery out. So, like, okay, it worked. But that's not your main target. You're looking for kids. Like, why wouldn't you have. Like, why. Why didn't you shoot bullets naturally? Why do you need to pick up a gun to do that? [00:09:39] Speaker B: Yeah, Everything about the design of this Terminator, this TX just felt ill thought out now. And a bit of a spoiler here when we get to, I believe it's Dark Fate. They have another Terminator that's liquid metal over an endoskeleton. And they do it right. They make that Terminator scary. [00:09:59] Speaker C: That's the one I haven't seen. [00:10:00] Speaker B: So, yes, this Terminator is not scary at all. She's. Honestly, it kind of felt like they're like, hey, let's get a busty blonde into this film. That's what it felt like to me. And right off the bat, they expand her breasts, you know, and. Which was not. [00:10:17] Speaker C: Which was. [00:10:17] Speaker B: It was a dumb scene. It didn't even matter. Right. Why make your boobs bigger for this cop when you are 100% intent on going to kill him? Right. [00:10:28] Speaker C: That's just it. [00:10:28] Speaker A: And. [00:10:29] Speaker B: And she used the line, I like your gun. And she says it all sexy and haughty, you know, and then of course, you know that she kills him and takes the gun. And then later she uses that line and it's supposed to represent, hey, we're gonna cut to something else. But she's. I like your car, I like your bike. I like Whatever. She's gonna take that thing. I get first. [00:10:49] Speaker C: She takes the car first, and then she gets pulled over by the car. I like your gun. [00:10:54] Speaker B: And I just. None of that really makes sense. If you stop and think about it. They. She wouldn't talk to him. She just stab him with some liquid metal and take the gun and stuff and her. [00:11:05] Speaker C: Well, and so sorry, sir, before you go further, because I got a couple thoughts on this. Oh, yeah, first off, you're right. Like, she's not trying to get something from the cop. Like we're supposed to believe she's trying to get out of a speeding ticket. No, she's just gonna kill that guy. [00:11:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:17] Speaker C: It would make more sense if she was trying to talk to John's foster parents or something and she's trying to, like, make a good impression and she has to get information. Okay, that would make some sense. I. It's still stupid, but I'll allow it to some extent. But the other thing is, are you honestly going to tell me that this advanced robot from the future had no idea that breasts would increase sex appeal? And if not, why did you send a woman back in the first place? Like, she had to learn by reading a billboard like, oh, sex. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? [00:11:45] Speaker B: Why make the smaller frame robot in the first place if you're not going to have that knowledge already there? So it honestly, it felt like they were playing to the audience, trying to explain things and treating me like I'm so stupid. I wouldn't figure that out on my own. And I don't like that. I hate it when they talk down to me as a viewer. It just ruins it for me. So cut all that crap and just have her come out with big boobs and give her a reason to have those right out of the gate, like you said, because she's trying to infiltrate, which her infiltration skills in this movie so sucked. She never used them. She didn't have them. She had emotional reactions when they weren't warranted, like, at all. [00:12:24] Speaker C: Like, just why have emotion reactions? [00:12:26] Speaker B: Why? Like, no one's even in the room. She's not performing for anyone. Why is she having an orgasm when she finds John Connor's DNA? [00:12:32] Speaker C: Like, what exact line? That was my exact line. I'm like, why is she do. What's going. I think my kids are there. But, like, why is this happening right now? What is this reaction? Like, I don't get it whatsoever. [00:12:44] Speaker B: I think that's to explain to the audience that she was happy with that information, which you didn't need that. You could have cut to the scene where it reads on the screen, primary target, you know, found like, oh, it was just so frustrating. All these stupid little plot holes and unnecessary information and redundant stuff and things that didn't make any sense when you stop and think about it. And the whole movie not taking itself seriously drove me nuts. [00:13:11] Speaker C: It so in agreed. In previous movies we've seen that the information of the past is incomplete or in. In bad shape. And so they go back, they know they're looking for Sarah Connor, they know she's in la, but other than that, he has to rip out the phone book and look her up. In the second one, he has to get access to the police computer and look up John Connor. In this movie. It feels like she goes back, she's like, oh, I know exactly where everybody is at all times. I happen to know everybody is. How does she find Claire Danes? Because if she had gone to her home and her husband is like, oh, you missed her. She had to go into work for a thing, he'd be like, okay, cool. She made the connection to go to her home. She knows where that is. Then she went to her work because that's what her husband said. But then we see the husband is alive after the fact. So she went straight to her work at five in the morning on the off chance she would be there. [00:14:01] Speaker B: Yep. Doesn't make sense. [00:14:02] Speaker C: Like, it doesn't make a lick of sense. [00:14:04] Speaker B: Nope. Doesn't make any sense at all. [00:14:06] Speaker C: And there's just, there's so many things like that where you're just like, how did you know where she was? Like the other one in, in 1 and 2, he kind of like is following a logical path of like, okay, well I think he'd go back to his parents. So I need to go to his parents house or his foster parents place and wait for him there. I can get behind that. That makes sense. He knows where they live. He knows that's his home. That that checks out. This one just kind of shows up places and gets lucky. It's just ridiculous. [00:14:29] Speaker B: Yeah. What did you think of the kind of retcon, introduce introduction of Kate Brewster, how they go? Oh, we were playing a makeout game the day before Terminator 2 took place. And so that's when they sent the Terminator back in time. And now we have this new information on the franchise. And then, and then Kate Brewster and John Connor meet again. And that's when these Terminators come back in time because they formulate some sort of a, you know, the Whole plot of her dad is supposed to help him take down Skynet, which actually turns out to be completely false. Like, that whole. Didn't make any sense. [00:15:11] Speaker C: Well, and he even has a line where he's like, that's why they came back today, like, 10 years later. Because I met. I would have met your dad back then. Like, they were going to. Like, he's going to meet her dad at 10. Because they made out one time. Like, piss off. No, that's never going to happen. But, like, him meeting the dad is this important event in his life that Terminators are going to try and, like, was just frustratingly dumb. [00:15:34] Speaker B: I mean, I like that they tried to make a plot out of it with that whole idea. They kind of forced it in there. But then in the end. And huge spoiler here, her dad doesn't help them shut down Skynet at all. He has nothing to do with it. [00:15:50] Speaker C: Well, because the robot's so, like, I don't know. [00:15:54] Speaker B: But either way, like, that whole idea just didn't seem to really work for me the way they said it put it out there. I don't know. [00:16:02] Speaker C: So in Terminator 1, robot comes back, tries to kill Sarah Connor. The robot gets destroyed, and he leaves behind parts of himself. So it makes some sense in my brain that we still end up with Skynet being the exact same way that it is, and we still get the robot. And that's how Terminator 2 comes in. Terminator 2, we go back and they destroy all the evidence. The evidence from Terminator 1 and the evidence from Terminator 2. So there is nothing left. It doesn't make sense in my brain. Like, even if we still get Skynet, so be it. Like, it is what it is. Why would the future robots know that John Connor had made an emotional connection with a robot that looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger? And that would be the most effective way to go after killing him. Like, it's just one of those, like, logical leaps they just expect you're gonna make because we want Arnold in this movie. And my brain's like, you. You changed the future. I get that it's inevitable. Like, no matter what, AI Is gonna take over. Cool. I'm with you. [00:17:01] Speaker B: Yeah. That's their plot line for this entire franchise. [00:17:04] Speaker C: You're changing the past. And the whole point is, we don't have good records of the past. But now, all of a sudden, we know exactly what happened between you and this other Terminator, and now we know to use him again. Like, it's like, what? [00:17:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Now, speaking of which at the end of the movie, Schwarzenegger's holding up the door, John's crawling past him and he says, thank you. And the robot looks to John and he says, we will meet again. What he's actually saying is, you will see me in the future when I come to kill you is what he's actually referring to right there. Which I thought was kind of interesting, but also a little bit of a cheeseball way to say that line to John like, we'll meet again. And I didn't really like that. We're getting into this loops of time travel where you start getting into problems and paradoxes and things that just don't make sense. And I, I kind of both liked and didn't like that. I, I guess I just didn't like the way that Arnold phrased the line. But instead he should have been like, hey, by the way, watch out for me when you see me again because I will be coming to kill you and it'll be an earlier version of myself. And like he's there to protect John Connor, so he should be warning him of, you will see me again, but beware is what should have been like said in that line. But instead they made it to try and look like it was like a goodbye thing. [00:18:34] Speaker C: Even if that's not the case now that he has told him, I kill you. Okay, cool. I'm not going to trust you anymore. Yeah, like, like you've. That changes the future theoretically. [00:18:45] Speaker B: Right? Should, hopefully. [00:18:46] Speaker C: Yeah, there's, there's. So like, okay, the first movie has that weird paradox of Kyle Reese going back and becoming the father of the kid who sent him back. Like there's a weird thing there, the, the gin or whatever it is you want to call it. [00:19:00] Speaker B: Yes, a gin object or person created out of a time paradox. [00:19:05] Speaker C: Right. I can make sense of that because. And I can walk you through it if you want, but I think we already went over that in the first movie, which you can check out on YouTube if you're listening. But the more of those you introduce and the sloppier you do it, the less cool it becomes and the more just goes, oh, this is just an unraveled ball of yarn. Like this is no longer a close knit story. This is just a mess. And I feel like this is the movie where we first start seeing it. And again, it's been a long time since I've seen anything after this. I haven't seen the most recent one, but this is the first movie you start realizing like, oh, they don't know what they're doing, like, this is just a messy ball of yarn that they're just pulling at and hoping to make money. And I mean, it made some money. It cost them about $200 million. It made about 430, which is like, okay, it cleared that double mark, but like, not by much. Like, that wasn't a home run. That was kind of a. Yeah. [00:19:53] Speaker B: When it comes to these time paradox things, you need great writing to make it all work great. If you are a fan of the Terminator franchise, I just finished Terminator 0, which reframes the whole structure of the time travel in this franchise in a great way that makes it all kind of make sense and it cleans up some of the sloppiness because it makes you think of it differently. In this movie. Schwarzenegger says it is inevitable that Judgment Day will happen. It's inevitable. And in Terminator 0, it is also inevitable. And they treat it like it's a never ending cycle. They always send somebody back. The Resistance sends somebody back to stop them. Things go differently. It changes time. But inevitably they will create Skynet. They will create Judgment Day. Skynet will figure out time travel and go back and start it all over again. Which is what that series on Netflix, which is great if you're into anime or Terminator, check it out, really does a good job this movie. Of course, they didn't take the time to put in some good writing. It is that sloppy ball of yarn like you said, Dan. [00:21:03] Speaker C: Okay, so at the core of this, it is an action movie. And I've got to say, as far as, like, that goes, as far as just the over the top action goes, this still just didn't seem to impress me all that much. Like, the crane scene was okay. [00:21:19] Speaker B: I love the crane scene. That was its one redeeming feature for me. I absolutely loved it. [00:21:24] Speaker C: I liked the flipping the crane, which like Dark Knight does five years later. But this one kind of got there first. It's like, okay, that's kind of a cool visual, I'll give it that. But up until that point, again, it's just that, like, if you, if you're going to take me on a journey, I'll go with you. But like, once you break it, it's a little weird to me. So like they're driving through buildings, entire buildings, with Arnold hanging on, no issue whatsoever. Then he hits a fire truck and he lets go and no damage is done to that fire truck whatsoever. And Ernie's just like hanging on the front like Wiley Coyote in a Bugs Bunny. Cartoon. I'm just like, okay, like, he should have went right through that fire truck and killed all those firefighters and still be holding on. But instead he's just like. Like a fly on a wall. You're just like, I guess maybe he [00:22:07] Speaker B: let go intentionally so he could take control of the fire truck or something. But you're right, it was a little cheesy. My biggest problem with the crane scene was that she hot wires 1995 Ford pickups that do not have the capability of self driving whatsoever. Had she stolen a fleet of Teslas, I'd have been fine with it. But they took old diesel rigs and stuff that could not do the things that she was making them do. And that scene right there turned me off to this movie when I first saw it, because I was a truck driver and I. I know engines well enough to understand they don't do that. You cannot control those vehicles in that way. Not that older of old of a model nowadays. Sure, there's lots of stuff out there that'll do it. Hell, I'm pretty sure my tundra will do it. So I really didn't like that. And then the incredible odds of him in that stupid pickup with the, you know, the. From the. From the pound or whatever from the veterinary clinic. He's out maneuvering these vehicles that are bouncing him around like a pinball. And he continues to go. Meanwhile, they're knocking cars out of her fleet. They're knocking over squad cars, they're doing everything. And he just keeps going. It was just a little too weird. [00:23:26] Speaker C: Not only that, Claire Danes is dead. There's no way she survives that whole interaction where she's in the back just getting slammed around. There's boxes and tools back there with her. Like she's liquid by the end of that. That just like you. Okay, all right, let's keep going. It's like, what are you. And then he gets in the back with her, like, oh, this is a terrible idea. [00:23:44] Speaker B: They even try to make humorous scenes out of it when they should have been like, bandaging her up at a hospital or something, trying to take care of those multiple concussions. [00:23:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:55] Speaker C: Then we have later on the. Not the funeral scene, but the graveyard scene, which is kind of fun. Like, I. I like the idea that Lindell Hamilton is like, here, store all of my guns somewhere that you know how to get them. Except she doesn't tell John where they are. Yeah, like you'd think that would be the weird number one person to be like, hey, John. [00:24:14] Speaker B: Right? [00:24:14] Speaker C: If you ever want. But he doesn't even know where she's buried. Yeah, so like. Okay, fair. So she's just hiding guns for question mark. Why does Arnold know where they are if John doesn't know where they are? Linda's already dead. [00:24:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I. Yeah, I guess that would be. John's future wife programmed it into the Terminator because somehow she knew about it. So I don't know why the mother in law would talk to her daughter in law and not her own son about that. That's not a usual deal. Although, I don't know, I get along with my in laws really well, so maybe. [00:24:46] Speaker C: But the mother in law's dead. She died of leukemia. She didn't die from a Terminator. So she died of neck natural causes. Before that she would have even met Claire Dane. So like, what are we doing here? Like, why? What is going on? [00:24:58] Speaker B: Or did she. [00:25:00] Speaker C: Or did she also. Well, okay, whatever. Spoilers. Also, are coffins bulletproof? Because I doubt it. [00:25:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that was. That was kind of nuts. They're just using like full metal jackets and they're not penetrating this. This coffin. Whatever. That was a little weird. Also the look of Arnold walking around with a coffin on his shoulders. It didn't, it didn't look right. You know, it looked like a styrofoam object that he's swinging around. It was too light. The mass of it didn't. It just didn't look right to me. [00:25:33] Speaker C: I mean, have you ever seen Commando where he's walking around with the giant log? [00:25:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:25:37] Speaker C: Every time I was thinking of. [00:25:38] Speaker B: I throw it up on my shoulder because I think of Commando. Yeah, it. Commando made it look good. When he was carrying a log around this coffin thing. It just kind of looked a little weird. This. This shot just looked kind of different. I loved the crane shots because they were mostly practical effects done real, not cgi. And they looked expensive. They looked huge. They looked budget breaking and fun to film. And I wish I could have been there to see it happen. Even if I was just an extra. Hell, I'd, you know, I'd have held a microphone. I don't care. See that? In, in real life, that looked amazing, right? And then they blended it with a little bit of CGI in most parts. And I thought it was a great shot. This one was a great action sequence and I liked what they were trying to do. It just didn't look good enough for me. And also, I'm kind of getting tired of Arnold pulling punches with not hurting anybody in two. He was kneecapping people left and right. And that was cool. In this one, he only shot objects, not people. And I'm kind of getting bored with that. I want to. I want to see. Hey, the fate of the world's at stake. Let's not around. [00:26:42] Speaker C: Yeah, it. This movie assumes. I mean, he could teach him in the future, I guess, except no, because he doesn't. Because he doesn't run into this Arnold, because this Arnold kills him. So it's not like you'd have an emotional connection to this robot. Yeah, this robot has learned things that the arnold in Terminator 2 is supposed to know and just brings them forward in this one, like, you don't kill where the keys are in a vehicle. Stuff like that. And you're just like. But you wouldn't know what he was taught you in that. [00:27:10] Speaker B: Like, I. I have to assume that Kate Brewster basically taught Arnold the things he needed to know to help Jon and her in the past. And that's why he has, like, this psychological download of. Of information of the human complex and stuff. So, like, he, you know, he slaps John around to get him angry because it's better than, you know, fear or guilt or whatever he was dealing with, you know, and so that, I guess that was kind of cool. But this. This Terminator felt completely different, acted differently. It was kind of sassy because they tried to put too many jokes in there, and I didn't really like the take. I kind of wish. I don't know, I just. I just wish they could have done something different because I just didn't like the direction where they went with this Terminator. [00:27:57] Speaker C: I will say that one scene you just mentioned is one of my. I'm not going to say favorite, but I mean, one of the better scenes where he's like, you don't need me. And he's like, you're right, I don't need you. And, like, just picks him up and he's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Like, what the. Like, he gets angry. He's like, good. Anger is better than despair. [00:28:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:12] Speaker C: I was kind of like, okay. Like, that's actually being useful. Like, it was kind of like, that's kind of cool. Like, just changed his attitude instantly. And now he's got somebody who's thinking a little clearer. Like, I was like, okay, I can get behind that. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Yep. [00:28:24] Speaker C: And then as far as action scenes go, then we have. When they get to, I don't know, NORAD or wherever, and Skynet comes online and you've got the robots in the base. From that point on in the movie. I was actually kind of into it. Like. Like that kind of turned the dial for me. Or I was like, oh, okay, cool. And the whole idea that, like, no, we can postpone it, but we cannot stop this. I like that ending significantly more than the ending of one or two, where it's just kind of like, did we stop it? I don't know. Did we stop it? And this one's just like, no, you don't. You didn't stop it at all. It's happening. Bad shit is going down now. I don't believe for a second that Nick Stahl is the John Connor that's going to lead the Resistance. So when he answers the radio and he's like, it's John Connor. I'm in charge here. I'm like, no, you're not. Yeah, like, give. Give it to Claire Danes. She's way more in charge of the situation currently than you've in this entire movie. We're talking about a guy who has the social. Not social, survival skills that didn't allow him to fix himself up in a veterinary's clinic. Like, he passed out from the drugs he took. Like, this guy. I feel like Edward Furlong has a better chance of surviving in Terminator 2 than this guy does in Terminator 3. He somehow lost information. [00:29:37] Speaker B: This. This is not the character that Edward Furlong set up. Like him or hate him, Edward Furlong set up a decent John Connor character for us to go forward. I don't know why they cast Nick Stahl in this position. He was terrible. He was. He was one of the worst parts of this movie for me. I didn't believe him. I thought his acting was terrible. His character was all over the map, and it wasn't the John Connor that we needed him to be. When they showed the old man version of him in the future, I was like, that guy looks like a sex offender. Like, he doesn't look right. Like, that's terrible. Get this guy out of here. It was. It was bad. Yeah. I just didn't believe him as John Connor. [00:30:15] Speaker C: And, like, we've got a pretty decent John Connor in Edward Furlong, who is kind of a badass. Annoying kid, but kind of a badass. And then you've got, you know, future John Connor who's got to be a badass because he's leading the Resistance. Why is he such a wimp in his 20s? [00:30:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:31] Speaker C: Why does he have it, Lose it and get it back again? [00:30:34] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a whiny little. [00:30:36] Speaker C: Terminator 3. How John Connor got his groove back. Yeah, it was just one of those really annoying points. You're right. Like, he was easily the worst part of the movie. I like Claire Danes. I thought she was actually really solid in this movie other than the whole love. [00:30:51] Speaker B: No chemistry there at all. [00:30:53] Speaker C: Well, no chemistry, but also like her fiance, who theoretically, she loves an awful lot. They're still in that honeymoon phase at that point, you would assume just died. And she's flirting with this guy. Like, when they're driving around in the rv, she's. I don't know what she says exactly, but she definitely gives him a line of just like, do you remember that kiss? There's some amount of like, what the hell is going on right now? You're like, it reminded me of Princess Leia in A New Hope where her entire planet just got exploded. But she's looking at Luke longingly just like, oh, did your Jedi master die? I'm so sorry. And you're just like, what is happening? You just lost everyone you've ever met. [00:31:30] Speaker B: Character writing across the board for. For those two. I do think that Claire Danes does a better job in this film than Nick Stahl does. However, I don't really like her character that much. And then at one point he says, you remind me of my mother. And I was like, no, no, she doesn't. She does. Not at all. This is not Sarah Connor. Sarah Connor was an icon in the 80s and 90s. An absolute badass. Claire Dane doesn't hold a candle to her. Not. Not the worst job I've ever seen clearly, when Nick Stahl does such a horrible job in this film. But, yeah, she's no Sarah Connor. [00:32:09] Speaker C: I'll agree that she's no Sarah Connor, but I'd also argue she might be the best part of this movie. [00:32:14] Speaker B: Yeah, but that's not a high bar. [00:32:16] Speaker C: No, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. I say that as a huge Arnold fan, but this is just one of those, like, you need to not be in the film. Like, this movie gets better if it's not Arnold, to be perfectly honest. [00:32:25] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Arnold's acting was terrible in this. I didn't like him at all. He was all over the place. It was. [00:32:30] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't even mean his acting necessarily. I just mean bringing back the same Terminator over and over and over again makes less and less and less sense. [00:32:40] Speaker B: Yes. [00:32:40] Speaker C: It's like he even says, like, I'm an outdated mall. Then why did they. I guess. Why did they send him to go kill John Connor in the first place? Yes, you're like, oh, well, because they have the emotional attachment. You make liquid metal people that can look like anybody you want. Send in a liquid metal one that looks like that character. [00:32:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:58] Speaker C: Get the exact same results. [00:33:00] Speaker B: It's terrible writing. Now, I want you to remember all of this stuff, Dan, for when you watch Dark Fate, because in my opinion, Dark Fate is what Terminator 3 should have been. [00:33:10] Speaker C: Well, and I think Dark Fate is doing that thing that, like, Halloween did where they're like, ignore Halloween 2 through 10. This is Halloween too. I think that's what Dark Fate is. But again, I've not seen it. [00:33:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm really excited for you guys to get there and. And hear your report on Dark Fate, but we'll. We'll get there. For right now, we're dealing with this travesty. I mean, there really isn't a whole lot more for me to say about this film. There's not a ton of redeeming qualities in this. There are some scenes, there's some action that I like. But overall, I did have a hard time with this film. The second time through, I think I enjoyed it a little bit more because I knew some of the stuff that was real downer for me, and I kind of let that go so I could enjoy the rest of it. All in all, man, tough, tough. Watch. [00:33:55] Speaker C: So I have a question for you. In Indiana Jones and Raiders the Last Crusade, the big bangs theory started this conversation. People talk about it where Indiana Jones doesn't need to be present. And pretty much everything in that movie happens anyways. [00:34:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:34:10] Speaker C: Is that the female Terminator in this movie? Because we start off with Claire Danes meeting the junkie John Connor, locking him up in a cage and calling the police. I don't see them having a romantic relationship after that. She's got a husband. [00:34:25] Speaker B: Yep. [00:34:26] Speaker C: And everything happens. Like Skynet still takes place. Everybody dies. Like, it's. It's not like the NORAD gets destroyed, so that would. [00:34:37] Speaker B: The bombs would have killed him. Right. Because they weren't in a bunker. They weren't in the Mojave or wherever they were. Not the Mojave. That's where they didn't want to be. They weren't sure. You know, they didn't drive south like they needed to. [00:34:47] Speaker C: Her showing up actually potentially saves John Connor because otherwise he might die in a police station later that day. Because this movie takes place over the course of roughly 24 hours, the last. The first thing we see is he's a junkie in a cage with a pretty put together Claire Danes being like Nah, like, we have a past kind of. But, like, get. [00:35:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:10] Speaker C: I don't understand why they show up and, like, make this movie the way that they do. [00:35:14] Speaker B: And to really pile on the tx. She is denoted as the superior model. And yet Schwarzenegger still kills her. She was still beaten by the original Terminator. And so it's like, what's. What is this? What are you trying to do? [00:35:33] Speaker C: And she's the one that actually has Skynet there on her side. She's also got, like, the flying robots and the rolly tank robots, and she still can't get it done. [00:35:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:43] Speaker C: Not because John Connor's so amazing, because he's freaking useless this entire movie. Like, it is just Arnold that gets the job done. Like, if John Carter had had a brilliant plan, like the. The magnetic thing, [00:35:57] Speaker B: the. Yeah. [00:35:58] Speaker C: Hydronic collider, that was a pretty good idea. Okay, I'll give John Connor. That didn't work long term, but it helped a little bit. But it's just one of those, like, John didn't do much of anything in this film. Why are we treating him like he's the savior of the human race? Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. [00:36:14] Speaker B: This is honestly just the story of how they make it through Judgment Day. And it. And it was. It's almost kind of funny because, like you said, if. If Skynet wouldn't have tried to intervene, Skynet wouldn't have had a problem. [00:36:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I think Skynet's its own biggest enemy. [00:36:32] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That's it right there. So, yeah, [00:36:37] Speaker C: again, I did like the ending. I like where this movie ends, and I believe the next movie does take place in the future, Salvation. So, like, we do see the end of humanity, if you will. And then we go to, like, the present, the. You know what I mean? The. The future, and kind of see what the war against them looks like. Like, in theory, on paper, if I didn't know that Salvation's not very good or I don't remember it being good, that kind of works for me. Like, that's. That's actually an arc I like. [00:37:05] Speaker B: And I'm excited to go into Salvation as well for the same purpose. I love dystopian futures and getting a look where we. Where we. We're living in that. No more time travel. We're just living in the future. And I thought, this is cool. This is really cool. We'll have to see our full thoughts on Salvation, so tune in next week for that one. [00:37:27] Speaker C: Yeah. If you like what we do and you want to help support Us consider joining our Patreon. There's a link down below. Thank you to our producers as well as our executive producer Dino. And a huge shout out to our head writers, Ms. Hillary and Real Bubba Hotep. After the tragedy, that was no escape. Ms. Hillary had to come back and save us from next month. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines was not as good as I wanted it to be. Not day one and not the time I re watched it. You know, I guess the funnest part for me was like the crane scene and some of the action sequences, but even those had points in them that kind of bothered me because I really this is one of those movies that you really had to shut your brain down for. Time travel movies should be fun, should be very cerebral, should always have some sort of a twist in them. Something to really, you know, catch you off guard because of the complexity of time travel. And this one just utilized time travel in a broke ass way to bring Schwarzenegger back on the big screen. And honestly, Schwarzenegger and John Connor were probably the worst parts of this movie and there weren't very many good parts for me. This one gets a 54. It is frustratingly watchable. If you're a big fan of Terminator, you should probably see this just to know why you don't ever want to watch it again. It does have some action sequences, but overall this is really close to just a full on pass. [00:39:03] Speaker C: Maybe I have some nostalgia for this movie because it is the first one I saw in theaters. I did see it with some friends. I have seen this a couple of times, although admittedly not since probably 2005ish, I'm gonna guess. I, I like parts of this movie. I like what it is trying to do. Some of the humor works, but unfortunately a lot of the humor doesn't. Not a franchise that should have humor to be perfectly frank. But also it just feels like it keeps breaking its own rules constantly. And that brings me out of a movie so hard. And to do it once is unfortunate. To do it as many times as this does just completely takes me out of the experience. That being said, I legitimately was in from pretty much when Skynet gets turned on after that, like the robots I thought were kind of cool blowing up the fact they actually did blow up the world was really cool. And leaving in that place where like the twist, even the twist if you will, where like the bunker that they're gonna go and shut Skynet down was really just like their way of like, no, we need to keep you alive. We need to protect you. That is my mission. And I succeeded. I thought that was kind of nice, like. Like the last 20 minutes I didn't hate. And theoretically sets up a really good fourth movie if that's the direction they're gonna go. I don't remember Salvation well. I don't know where we'll go. We'll see that next week. But right here, right now, it. Brian put it great. It's frustratingly watchable, mostly frustrating. This gets a 59 for me. It's not terrible. It's just not good. [00:40:34] Speaker A: I want to start this rating with the positive. It ended honestly. John and Kate getting taken to the bunker by Arnold. Unknowingly to them that it's just a bunker, not a way to end Skynet. I thought that was an okay take. You know, Arie was there to help them survive to the bitter end. One and only goal. So that was okay and I really enjoyed that Judgment day actually takes place. You know, they. They had the balls to just. The brass. Metallic balls to just let the earth get just wiped. And so that was pretty cool. Aside from that, though, let's move into the not so good. Ooh, doggy. There's a little bit to unwind here. [00:41:24] Speaker B: I just think. [00:41:24] Speaker A: I guess overall, I felt characters, action, [00:41:29] Speaker C: music, [00:41:31] Speaker A: everything pretty much in this movie. The writing just didn't. Didn't hold a candle to the first two movies, which made for a hard watch when it came to coming off of the. [00:41:44] Speaker B: The. [00:41:45] Speaker A: The tail end of T2, which was. Which was so well done. So what can you say? [00:41:52] Speaker C: It. [00:41:53] Speaker A: Overall, it just kind of felt like a. A cheap knockoff of the first two movies. Second movie, more so with the two Terminator aspect. And instead of like an addition to the franchise, it felt more like a parody of the franchise with the bad jokes that were just like toppled on top of each other in this movie. And I mean, don't get me wrong, the second Terminator had jokes throughout it as well, but I just feel like they earned them a lot more than this movie did. With that was just trying to be like, hey, hey, hey. Remember this? We're just going to put it right in your face. Star sunglasses, inflating breasts. Like, what was that about? The TX in general, I just felt was an inferior model to the full liquid one T1000. Right? Like, I didn't mind the actress. I thought she was fine. Her being a female is irrelevant. It's a machine that doesn't matter. But she didn't have like the personable skill skills that the T1000 had when, like investigating or trying to track down the people she was trying to find. And that made the T1000 much more scary, much more intimidating that they could blend in. She wasn't even trying to blend in. I think they went with a way. I think their thought process is, oh, she's superior, so she doesn't have to blend in. She's just gonna wrecking ball through everything, much like Arie in the first one. But it doesn't play out that way. It doesn't feel right. It doesn't. It didn't work. It just came across as lazy and kind of boring. And so I didn't really feel a lot of threat from her. She was taken down a lot easier than the T1000 because she had the metal chassis. She could just get buried in rubble and had to like, melt herself back together and. And then move on and gave. Maybe it was just a way for them to have multiple getaways, to have multiple action sequences to make this movie longer than it needed to be. I don't know. As far as characters, again, John Connor was far and above the worst character in this movie. Now, don't get me wrong. I understand and I. I enjoy the idea of him being depressed and feeling like his life has no meaning anymore because his future, this future he's been told he was a huge part of, in his mind is. Is no longer exists. That all. That all makes sense. I love that they talked about that. They. I think they should have drew on that more. But instead they just kind of made him an idiot, bumbling fool. He looks like he has no survival training whatsoever. He just needs to be carried from place to place. And he literally doesn't understand that this Arnold Terminator is a different Terminator than the Terminator. He grew up, you know, wishing it was his dad. It just was so mind boggling. How imbecilic, how idiotic. They made John Carter in this movie. John Carter. John Connor. Different John. Anyway, that said, Claire. Claire Dane's character is a little better. Kate, or whatever the future wife's name is. She at least made decisions, understood. She seemed like a better survivalist than he did. She got, you know, she had ideas and knew how to move the story forward. [00:45:23] Speaker B: And she. [00:45:25] Speaker A: Again, that was maybe only the second half of the movie. The first half, she was just kind of like a. Well, I got. I got a husband to marry, but whatever. It just. She came across as good, he came across as bad, which is fine, but he was supposed. He's been held up as this like the one you know, he is the Neo of the Terminator franchise. And he just was a fart in the wind in this movie. So I just couldn't get behind it at all. What else? I guess this only real thing I learned about this movie is that the studios had trouble getting this movie off the ground. There was lots of legal battles with the rights of ownership of the franchise, the Terminator, what have you. But eventually they got their ducks in a row. But then Arnold didn't want to do the movie without James Cameron directing. Of course James Cameron didn't really want to, but in the end, he's like, arnold, dude, just do it and ask for a shitload of money. And I guess $29 million and 20% of all the profits from the film was the magic number for Magic Mike Terminator to throw on those black leather stripper pants and pick up his pistols and start shooting. What am I even saying? [00:46:49] Speaker B: Yeah, good. [00:46:50] Speaker A: Good work, Arnie. [00:46:51] Speaker C: You. [00:46:51] Speaker A: You made bank on this, baby. I just fear, much like Judgment Day was made inevitable again, this movie signals the inevitable downfall in the Terminator franchise. As far as quality enjoyment goes moving forward. I. I don't know what else to say. 56 out of 100. I haven't seen any of the other movies, so. Into the great unknown. [00:47:21] Speaker C: And we are joined this week by a special guest, Ms. Hillary. How are you doing tonight? [00:47:26] Speaker D: I'm awesome. I'm awesome. How are you guys? [00:47:29] Speaker C: I'm doing very, very well. Always great to get another take on these films. Love to have you on. What are your thoughts on Terminator 3? I'm just going to give you the floor. [00:47:39] Speaker D: Well, I have to definitely hit on this nostalgia. For me, this movie is a huge part of my childhood. I'm a little bit younger than you guys, so Terminator 2 was my first introduction, really. And Terminator 3, those two always stick out to me. Obviously, homage to the original. But watching it this time, it definitely wasn't as exhilarating as it was when it first came out. I think a lot of that has to do with just the reality of where we are in the world and how AI has come and how technology has changed. So a lot of things, like Ren mentioned the. The vehicles, right. It was cool at the time because at the time, we didn't know any different. Now, well, individuals, most of us recognize that that's just a really cool technique. So I think, considering when it came out, I think it was a good movie in the sense of, like you said, it's a turn your brain off. If you think too much, you're missing sort of the action of it. And so I love when there's guns going off and big booms. And so from the entertainment side, this movie kept me entertained, and that's what I look for when it comes to the series. The series just is my favorite, like, sci fi franchise, you name it. So I really enjoy it. [00:49:21] Speaker C: Very cool. So you mentioned 2 and 3 specifically. Without going into spoilers, does that carry over to the rest of the franchise going forward? Did you stick with it or is it just like, these ones were a moment in time for you? [00:49:33] Speaker B: You. [00:49:33] Speaker D: These two, definitely the moment in time they were when, you know, I really started enjoying movies with my dad is really the nostalgia for me and my dad getting to, like, introduce me to this franchise. And so the. The rest of them. I think as I got older, I kind of moved back away from them. I've seen them all. Definitely looking forward to watching them again with everybody. But it's. It's definitely these two that stick out in my mind. [00:50:06] Speaker C: I agree. I think this one was one of the ones where I watched it when I was younger and was like, that was fun. And then I watched it this time I'm like, oh, like, action movies have gotten better. Plots have gotten better. Like, everything that this movie was just felt like it's. It's improved over time. And that this one just didn't age as well as. As, say, 1 and 2 did for me. [00:50:27] Speaker D: Oh, definitely. It's a third movie. Right. Like, we've all. We've seen most franchises. This. This one's a grasp, and you can tell that it's, you know, a little bit. They're. They're definitely riding the coattails of 2 and 1 especially. I think there was a shorter gap between 2 and 3, if I'm not mistaken, of release states or maybe I'm wrong. [00:50:54] Speaker C: I just. No, I think it's. I think it's off. I think it was longer because one is 91 and this is 2003, I think, whereas, sorry, one is 84, two is 91. So that's only seven years. Seven years. [00:51:08] Speaker B: Seven. [00:51:09] Speaker C: And then three is 2003. So that's 12. 12 years. [00:51:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Because. And John Connor was supposed to be 13 years old from in number two. [00:51:19] Speaker A: Right. [00:51:19] Speaker B: So 13 years later in the story [00:51:22] Speaker C: that bothered me because they specifically say that she is A. She's 10 years older. If that's her kid, he should be 10. And they specifically say in this one that she's 13. He was 13 back when the First Terminator came back. I'm like, I mean, you look 13, so I'll give it to you. But the story specifically says it's been 10 years. So, like, oh, it's just one of those weird little, like, it's such a throwaway little line, but it's just like, nope, that's not your canon. You don't even know your own canon. That's annoying. Another rule. [00:51:49] Speaker D: Yeah. I do think Kate's character was really sort of influential because we needed to understand, obviously, Judgment day is going to happen, right. So we have to rebuild what is left of the human race. So there's got to be a miss, a Mr. And a Mrs. So I think you see that sort of destruction of his mental state. And he's a mess. Which, considering all the crap he went through and what we understand, like, of the childhood brain, makes sense. He's a mess. To me. [00:52:34] Speaker B: I think it does make sense. I just think the way it was portrayed was terrible. He came off like a whiny little in this. And yes, she was that anchor point for him to come back to being. Healing the world, propping up society. You're rebuilding humanity. And she was at anchor point for him. And I. I dig that idea. The execution of it was absolutely atrocious. [00:52:58] Speaker D: Well, and I think, if I'm not mistaken, there's even a line where she's like, basically, like, just shut up and like, get on board here. Towards the end. It's. I'm paraphrasing clearly, but she's. She's the one that kind of snaps him back. And it's like, this is where we're at. Like, we don't have a choice in this matter. And I think that's why we get the John Connor in the future who is smart, who is able to lead a country, like, lead the resistance because of the influence from her. It just, like you said, it didn't. They didn't quite hit the mark on it. Yeah, unfortunately. [00:53:42] Speaker B: But, yeah, I think too many times they were trying to compare her to Sarah Connor and. And make her that type. And I never felt that about her. She was closer to what they were shooting for than any other character in the movie, what they were shooting for. But it's still. It's just. All of it fell short of. Of my expectations, my desires. [00:54:05] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:54:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:06] Speaker D: I mean, it's a movie. It's fun to watch, but I'm not gonna, you know, spend money on it. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Are. Are Hillary. Are you ever gonna watch this one again? [00:54:17] Speaker D: I. Eventually I'm gonna Make my child watch them all. So, yes, [00:54:23] Speaker C: we can report you to the authorities for that kind of child abuse, but sure, [00:54:31] Speaker D: Bubba makes me watch no Escape. And I get. [00:54:35] Speaker C: You're a grown adult. Nobody's forcing that on you. You chose. You're gonna throw seven Terminators at a child. I don't know. I don't know. All right, thank you so much for joining us, Ms. Hillary. Really appreciate you stopping by. Have a great night. [00:54:49] Speaker D: You, too. [00:54:50] Speaker C: Thank you so much. That's awesome. Appreciate that. If you want to come on sometime and join us on the show, let us know and we can try and make that work. But for now, we see that Terminator has dropped significantly. If you remember, after Terminator 2, it was in the top spot with a score of 87. This movie brings it down by 10 points to 77. We had scores of 77, 79, and 75 from the three guys. This drops it below Indiana Jones, just right above 28 years or 28 later trilogy. I think it's. I think it's just gonna keep going. Unfortunately, I don't remember movies after this one very well. I think this was the last movie that I've seen multiple times in the franchise and the last one I've not seen at all. But I. I just have to predict this just keeps going down. What do you think? [00:55:38] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I know for a fact that my scores are not going to be super helpful in keeping this franchise afloat. There's maybe one movie that I kind of think is worthwhile. So these are. They're. It's probably going to tank. I think it. I think it's going to end up right down there around our Predator, Aliens, Mad Max, Jurassic park area right there. That's probably where it's going to land. I wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised if it hits high 60s, low 70s. [00:56:06] Speaker C: I mean, the longer franchises go on for. With very, very, very few exceptions, they just. They all end up down there eventually. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Yep. Yep. I mean, we have seen some redeeming films come out of the Predator franchise. We've seen some redeeming moments come out of the Aliens franchise. And so those are some of the longer ones that I really Enjoy. Hey, even 28, the 28 franchise, right. The Bone Temple was pretty. Pretty good film. Yeah. So you never know. You get a couple of gems. [00:56:40] Speaker C: And as you mentioned, like the. The anime on Netflix has some seriously. It's seriously well written. Like, if you could take something like that and put that into a film and not bring Arnold Schwarzenegger back yeah, maybe we've got a chance here. But if we're just gonna keep making the same movie starring the same tired old actors. No offense, I love Arnold and Linda Hamilton, but you're just going to keep bringing them back well beyond the point where it makes sense. They are just going to keep dropping, unfortunately. But, like with Prey, or, sorry, with Predator, introduce some new blood, introduce some new cast, and maybe you got a hit on your hands again. The core concept is solid. We're just not seeing on screen. All right, well, that's our rating of Terminator 3, Rise of the Machines. What's yours? Leave a comment down below. I'd love to hear from you. We record this live over Twitch TV, the Mongolie show, every Thursday night at 9pm Eastern Standard Time. So if you want to come hang out with us live, you can go do that and hit the follow button. 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