Ep 95 - The Terminator (1984)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sarah Connor lives with her best friend in Los Angeles. By day, they work as waitresses, but by night, they are party animals. After getting stood up by a man on Friday night, Sarah flies solo at the movies to take her mind off of relationships, only to find two unlikely bachelors looking to steal her heart. [00:00:27] Speaker B: Completely overrated. [00:00:29] Speaker C: Hello, everybody, and welcome back to our Rating. The show where I get together with two of my friends, we take a movie franchise, break it down by a movie, give an overall score, and then throw it back up on the board. I'm joined this week, as always, with Brian and Will. Will, how are you doing this week? [00:00:43] Speaker A: I'm living my best life. As you know. We're watching Terminator and I love the first and second Terminator. Probably. We'll see. Actually, I'm actually worried about my marks compared to your guys's because I know we got some fanboys out here, but, yeah, I'm living my best life. I'm having a good time and I leave on vacation in a couple of weeks, so looking forward to that as well. [00:01:04] Speaker C: Very nice. What about you, Brian? How are you doing this week? [00:01:07] Speaker B: I'm doing okay. I'm, as always, I'm working like crazy. And I got a little flustered today because the machines were rising up against me and I had some trouble getting stream going, so I was a little bit flustered. But then I come in here and you guys just already got me cracking up, laughing behind the scenes. So it's been fantastic. And by the way, if you guys want to find us and watch, watch these live. Come find us on Twitch. Either my stream or Dan's. We do these Thursday night. [00:01:33] Speaker C: Very nice. Very nice. Yeah. As you all know, if you watch the Incredibles, last week I was away camping for the week. Had a great time off with the family. Since I started doing content creation for YouTube and whatnot, it's kind of hard to, like, relax at home. It always has this, like, nagging at the back of my brain, like, you should be doing something, you should be working towards your next video or whatnot. So it's kind of amazing to get away where you're like, oh, I. I literally can't work on anything. I can just spend time with the family. So that was a very, very nice little break from. From everything, from all this. As much as I missed being here and I wish I could have been here to discuss the Incredibles with you, I needed it and it was really, really nice to get away. So kudos to you, Will, for getting away for as long as you're about to. You will be here next week and then you're going to be missing three weeks, Correct? [00:02:17] Speaker A: Correct. But I do intend on submitting some video evidence of my reality on these next upcoming movies as well. [00:02:25] Speaker C: Nice. And then when you get back, the first episode back will be our 100th episode. I'm going to try and plan some fun stuff for that one, hopefully. Are you guys cool doing a double episode? If we do like a two hour thing, do you have the time for that? [00:02:38] Speaker B: Well, since you just sprung that on [00:02:40] Speaker C: us now, of course that's what I planned for. [00:02:43] Speaker A: If we're live, we're saying yes and. [00:02:46] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:02:47] Speaker A: All right. [00:02:49] Speaker C: Mental note, ask all my questions live on air. All right. 1984's Terminator. This is, I have to assume, one we've both, we've all seen multiple times, right? Like, this is not a first for anybody. No. [00:03:04] Speaker A: Yeah, we've all seen this movie. Who hasn't seen this movie at this point? Am I right? [00:03:09] Speaker C: I. So interestingly enough, I watched this with the Watch Party, or at least I watched the last half with the Watch Party. And then I went back and watched the entire thing a couple of days ago. So I was ready for this. I always would have said that Predator was my favorite Arnold Schwarzenegger movie or at least of the classic era. [00:03:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:28] Speaker C: Re watching Predator for this show and now re watching Terminator for this show. I think I've got a new favorite. I think Terminator takes the top spot from that one. We'll see what happens next week. I haven't seen Terminator 2 in probably 20 years, but I, I thoroughly enjoyed this movie more so than I remember. And I remember liking it. I guess I'm playing all my cards on the table right now, but whatever. [00:03:52] Speaker B: I'm somewhat in the same boat. Dan. This, this score came out higher than I remembered it being. I had so much fun and maybe it's a nostalgia factor. Maybe this movie holds up pretty darn well for being. I was two years old when this thing came out and this thing watched [00:04:09] Speaker A: it in the theaters. [00:04:12] Speaker B: That's right. Just got rid of that pacifier. No, I, I, I, I was kind of blown away. I had so much fun in the Watch Party watching it. And I even watched it again after [00:04:22] Speaker C: that because twice in the last week [00:04:25] Speaker B: it was, I just, this is a great movie mostly, which is, which is fair. [00:04:33] Speaker C: I remember in Predator when we rewatched it, like, the whole scene where they're saving the village was just so poorly executed. And I was like, oh, that really took away from me. I still like all of Arnold and the Predator. Like, the last, like, 40 minutes or whatever. [00:04:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:48] Speaker C: But, like, kind of leading up to that kind of hurt it a little bit. Whereas in this one, I mean, there's a. There's a couple of stumbles, but for the most part, this one's a fun romp from beginning to end. [00:04:59] Speaker B: I. I would say that this is my favorite movie featuring Arnold Schwarzenegger. Maybe I might actually still like the Predator better. I'm not sure. But to say this is my favorite Arnold Schwarzenegger movie kind of like, makes it sound like I really like Arnold in the film. And actually, Arnold was, like, the biggest fail in this movie for me. I had a hard time with him. I'm like, dude, it's a robot. You just have to act like a robot. And he. He had some trouble at times where he seemed to either get a little emotional or angry or he's flinching or there were some weird things, like he has to pull back and swing to punch through a car window. And I'm like, if you're a robot, you should just be able to slowly push your hand right through. Like, there are, like, a lot of little things that. When I'm. When I'm watching and I'm paying attention, like we do now when we really dissect these movies, it kind of fell apart around Arnold. Thankfully, everything else in this movie is so fantastic, and he's still fun to watch, even though it's a little bit off. [00:06:07] Speaker C: I can understand your point there. I just know how cinematic that would be if it was just, like. As opposed to, like, the punch through the glass. [00:06:15] Speaker B: I. I just think it would look really cool if he slowly pressed through it like no human could. It would. It would point out that he's a machine under there, and it would really help. And there were other times when he's, like, shooting and he's flinching at the gunshot, and I'm like, if you're a robot, would you really flinch? Unless they programmed it into him, I guess. I don't know. [00:06:33] Speaker C: Now, here's a question for you, because watching this twice in a row in a week, it's a long time in this movie before they explain who or what Arnold is. Now it's on the poster, and we all know, and of course, the name is the Terminator. But I mean, like, you know, you could have a Denzel Washington movie where he's got a gun and he's called the Terminator. Like, it doesn't have to be A robot. We're just. We know it's a robot because it's a franchise that's been around since, like, we were all kids. But it is a long, like, they do not explain that until well into the film. It is just two people show up and you're not even really sure. Like, you kind of get the handle because Arnold, like, is terrorizing the punks right away. But, like, the other guy's shooting at cops right away too. Like, these could very well both be bad guys. But we know that Arnold is the bad guy. We know he's a robot. But watching this without, like, trying to think, like, when does the movie actually tell us that? It is well into the movie before they tell us what's going on. [00:07:28] Speaker A: That's true. I also think that this robot is designed to be hidden amongst humans. So I think it is meant to act in human ways, AKA punching, AKA talking people trying to emote, whether it's, you know, using their voice or mimicking others voices, as it does in the movie. Right. Like, it does have that programming to be humanistic. And I think there was a pretty good balance of like, oh, this guy is like a robot in the way. [00:08:07] Speaker B: And. [00:08:07] Speaker A: And kudos to Arnold in this. Like, he did months of weapons training, gun training, specifically, to be able to load and unload guns without looking to be ambidextrous in shooting weapons. And it's very difficult to do any of that, let alone to do it in a couple of months. And so I think. I think he did a good job of trying to balance that. And not to mention, like, this was shot like a guerrilla style movie, like, in a short period of time. I think it was probably a disaster to try and shoot this thing. And what they got out of it is pretty fantastic to think about. But, yeah, I don't know. I waver back and forth as Arnie because he's not a great actor, especially in his early career. For what he was in this movie and what he represented, I think he did a pretty good job. [00:08:58] Speaker B: And I think as he becomes more robotic visually, as he gets more of his skin torn off and later completely burned off, obviously, I think it really progresses me as the viewer into he's a robot. And I see that. And I can tell in the beginning he is very human. And I guess now that we're talking about it, and he's supposed to be programmed to blend in, you would want him flinching when he shoots his gun. Right. If he's on the front lines blending in with humans for a Deep cover mission. If you notice your buddy is just completely smooth firing a gun with no recoil, no blinking, then it would stand out. So I guess that does make sense. And I can let that go. I just think with the window scene, I would have loved to see him simply push his hand slowly through the glass. I think that just would have looked so cool. And as the audience member, you would have been like, oh, dude, he's like a robot. Like, that would have been one of those little triggers. So it's not. It's not a point against. Could have just been a choice. And I just think it was an opportunity lost, really. But there were. There were some scenes where he's acting, though, and his acting was like, oh, my gosh, that's. That's bad. [00:10:09] Speaker C: Early Arnold is, yeah, a little bit tougher there. I did really like the juxtaposition between the two characters, if I'm using that word properly, where Arnold is this gigantic machine. And then they bring in kind of the smaller, scrawnier Michael Bean, who's, like, not a little guy, but he's little by comparison. And, like, kind of seeing the two of them go at it because, like, originally. And Will, you can correct me if I get this a little bit off, they were talking about having Arnold be the Kyle Reese character and O.J. simpson being the Terminator, but they didn't like the visual of just, like, two big, bulky dudes fighting it out. That's. That's every movie. Like, they wanted to kind of be a little bit more every man versus. [00:10:51] Speaker B: And. And on top of that, you have the opening sequences. They both come through the time portal with the blue lightning, like you see featured here behind me. And the Schwarzenegger comes out, stands up pretty smooth, walks over. They're. They're definitely showcasing his body at the time. He was the. You know, the bodybuilder. He has this pristine skill skin, great physique, all that. Right? And then Kyle Reese comes through, and he looks, like hungover like crazy. They make sure to show off all this body scarring. He's not as big and bulky. He's having a much harder time after that time travel bit. And it. So it showcased the difference between the two. And. And like you said, that juxtaposition was really good. [00:11:35] Speaker C: Correct me if I'm wrong. Arnold comes in and he's, like, in a pose. Like, he lands perfectly on the ground. And Kyle Reese is, like, 10ft in the air or something. Right? Like, doesn't he fall the second he lands? [00:11:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, he flops In. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. [00:11:50] Speaker C: Kind of speaking to the fact that Terminators planned for this and he kind of like ran in through a bubble or something. I'm not sure how the time travel works at the end of the. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah, they're makeshift human through it, right? [00:12:00] Speaker B: Yeah, they're machines. So they're going to get it perfectly right until you ask them for a background photo from an AI and then they just shut down completely. [00:12:08] Speaker C: One thing I will say, one of one of my dings against not just this movie, but like the franchise as a whole from what I can remember, because I've only. Most of these movies I've only seen once and some of them I haven't seen at all. And they could have fixed it with like one simple line. I wish there was some like hindrance to the time travel technology where it can only go back so far. So the further into the future we get, the further into the, the less of the past they can go back to because otherwise just keep going back to kill Sarah Connor or send seven of them back to kill Sarah Connor or go and kill Sarah Connor's grandparents or. I mean they talk about the fact that like some files were lost in the war. So maybe they don't know who her grandparents were. But I don't, I don't love the fact that like he keeps coming back to the present when there are times it's like, no, go back further. Like why wouldn't you go back to the 80s again if it worked almost well the first time? Could they just ruin something? Like we can only go back 30 years. That solves it right there. Like as soon as the future gets to, you know, 2029, they can only go back to 1999 or whatever they want. [00:13:09] Speaker B: Well, and as we get into these movies, I think we can kind of assume that because it basically, it basically does that. Right. They, as these franchises go on, we, we get a little further in, in the future and we also don't go as far back in the past. So it's kind of moving together and maybe that is a thing. I would like also that line of dialogue that confirms that. [00:13:28] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:13:29] Speaker B: They, they do say it's a one way trip and they do mention that they know almost nothing about Sarah Connor. So they couldn't find who her parents are without knowing who she is. So that's a hindrance to them going further back. But you're right, they could just keep sending a better and better version of a Terminator back to the same time. [00:13:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:47] Speaker B: You know, and doubling if you send [00:13:49] Speaker C: the T1000 back to Sarah Connor. When she doesn't know what's going on, she's toast. [00:13:54] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, here, let me add, I've got a couple issues. One, in the first movie, do they not say, we blew up this time traveling operation so that it can't happen anymore? Yes, we hope that Rhys can just fix it. [00:14:09] Speaker B: Yes. They detonated the machine after he went through so no one else could follow was the idea. [00:14:15] Speaker A: As far as I'm concerned, end of franchise. Thank you very much. We don't have to watch six more movies. [00:14:20] Speaker C: Well, except if the Terminators know how to make time travel, they can remake time travel, I guess. [00:14:26] Speaker A: I guess. [00:14:26] Speaker B: Which is why it's what, 15, 16, 27? I don't know how old Edward Furlong is in Terminator 2. [00:14:33] Speaker A: I think it's 10 years later. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah, he's 10 years old in that movie. [00:14:38] Speaker C: Theoretically. [00:14:39] Speaker A: Yeah, theoretically. I, I think they State it was 10 years ago that the first time travel sequence happened. [00:14:46] Speaker C: I, I agree that he looks like he's supposed to be like 15 or 16, but on IMDb it says that he's 10 and she's 29 because she's supposed to be 19 when she has him. I don't know if those actually add up at all as far as actors ages go, but. [00:15:01] Speaker B: Yeah, Well, I didn't dive into the research on the second movie because I thought we were talking about the first [00:15:09] Speaker C: week. [00:15:10] Speaker B: We'll go back in time and talk about both. [00:15:12] Speaker A: All right. [00:15:13] Speaker C: The IMDb article I was reading said that she's 19 and it's confirmed in Terminator 2. So I didn't do research on Terminator 2 yet. It just. Right, it was, it just put it forward. Anyway. [00:15:23] Speaker A: Correct me, correct me if I'm wrong. Skynet takes over and they're created to protect humans or whatever, save humans from themselves. But the only way to do that is to eliminate all the humans. Is that the gist of Skynet? [00:15:41] Speaker C: I was going to ask you, do we know what Skynet says Agenda is like in the Matrix? We understand that they're using humans for power. Yeah. What is the end goal? [00:15:50] Speaker B: We. We learn more about what Skynet was built to do in future editions of the Terminator. And it is mostly a military operation. They're building war machines to combat against other countries. Now, maybe that changes from what they were supposed to be in this movie, but I know in I. I want to say T3, Rise of the Machines, they talk about that. We'll get there. I guess what I know is they weren't built to protect us or anything. Skynet felt that humans were a threat to its existence and it has no morals, so it eliminates the threat. That's what it decided to do. [00:16:35] Speaker A: Okay, so then Skynet pulled like a doctor Strange infinite realities, different projections of. If they send a robot to kill Sarah Connor, it's not going to butterfly effect and change all of the outcome of all of the world. Like it just seems like such a risky move. Time as we know, time travel. You send something back, it's gonna, it's gonna ripple affect everything going forward. So I just don't understand how AI came to this conclusion as the, the means to an end to keep them alive and, and prevent, I think humans. [00:17:16] Speaker C: Sarah Connor slash. John Connor is not at all responsible for making Skynet. So getting rid of them will not change that. But John Connor is directly responsible for keeping Skynet from doing what they want to do, or keeping them at bay or destroying something. So getting rid of him will allow Skynet to still happen whilst not hinder Skynet in the future. Now they can't tell if you know, John Connor dies and you know, Steve Zahn takes over and he's now the new leader of the Resistance and he does an even better job. [00:17:46] Speaker A: Right. [00:17:46] Speaker C: Then they'll send somebody back and kill, you know, Steve Zahn's parents. I don't know why that was the name that came. [00:17:50] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Strange, strange. But I like it. I like it. [00:17:53] Speaker B: It's a. Another reason why they shouldn't go too far back in time. Because then that butterfly effect could in crouch on Skynet's existence and birth. They could kill themselves sort of thing. I, I too, this is another point line of dialogue would have been great. It could have been that, that Schwarzenegger's secondary program after eliminating John Connor is to go reinforce the birth and construction of Skynet by delivering his components to whoever originally did it. [00:18:24] Speaker A: Right? Right. But that's what happens anyway. Right? [00:18:26] Speaker B: Like that's what happens anyway. [00:18:28] Speaker A: The paradox of the movie is it doesn't happen without them sending them back. Right? Because without the Terminator and Rhys, the father of John Connor coming back in time, John Connor doesn't exist. So my question is, how does John Connor exist in the first place to fight these robots before they send him back? Right. [00:18:50] Speaker B: What happens again? We're going to get into this in number two. What happens is the ARM and the chip progress their research into Skynet faster. And that's why we get a more advanced Terminator that comes back in number Two, because they. [00:19:05] Speaker A: Sure. [00:19:05] Speaker B: But it progressed further. [00:19:08] Speaker A: But ignoring. Ignoring that the. The rise of Skynet. There's no John. How does John Connor come to take. [00:19:17] Speaker C: They wouldn't send the Terminator back in the first place to kill John Connor because John Connor wouldn't exist if Kyle Reese didn't go back in time to make John Connor. [00:19:24] Speaker B: So that's why John Connor is what is called a gin. He is created because of this time loop and does not exist without it. That's a really cool feature of this movie. And you don't realize that until the very end. And you, you know, she sleeps with Rhys and then becomes pregnant. And you see the picture that burned up in Reese's hand and you realize it's a. It's a paradox loop. And it wouldn't. [00:19:47] Speaker A: That's the problem. Yeah, that's a problem though, right? [00:19:49] Speaker B: But I, I think that's really cool though. It's. It's a gin. It's really neat. I like those things in movies. I like the paradox. It's super interesting. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. At least not to my, you know, three dimensional brain. [00:20:04] Speaker C: This is kind of not, not at all the same thing, but kind of like the T. Rex paddock in Jurassic Park. It doesn't really make sense, but I don't care because it makes the movie cooler. So I'm a lot. I like look past it and in this situation, like, it doesn't really make sense, but it's a cool thing to think about in the terms of the movie. So you're looking past it and I do too, to be perfectly honest. But like I'm with Will. Like it doesn't make sense, but I don't care. [00:20:27] Speaker B: It almost creates a twist on the ending because now you realize, hey, this wouldn't have happened if they didn't go back in time. And then how. What started it, right? And we don't know because it's a gin. That's how those things work in movies. [00:20:40] Speaker C: In fairness. In fairness, there could be a different father. She has a kid named John. He turns into this amazing person. Kyle Reese comes back, has sex with her. She's like, oh, I'm supposed to have a kid. I'll name him John. Turns into the Weasley nothing that is Edward Furlong. And we fuck up the timeline and the Terminator wins anyways. [00:21:01] Speaker A: Whoa, whoa. First off, let me correct you, Dan. It's not has sex with her. It's make love. This ultimately is a love story, right? [00:21:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that's right. It's almost a rom com. [00:21:13] Speaker C: It's one step away. [00:21:16] Speaker A: But that brings me to my point. I, I, A lot of people really like the love story aspect of this movie and I really couldn't get behind it. Maybe because I'm woke as all get out, but a man obsessing over a photo of a dead woman and then claiming he's in love with her really just doesn't sit well with me. It comes across super creepy and you know, she's got like some sort of savior syndrome that she, she's obsessed with him and they have this one moment that lasts a lifetime of love. It really didn't play for me. The idea of it. I like again with the, the secular kind of events playing through, but I really didn't get behind the love story at all in this movie. I just couldn't. [00:22:06] Speaker C: So that was something that I noticed because again, I watched the last half in the Watch Party so it didn't really hit me. And then when I rewatched it, he specifically says this was my chance to meet the legend. So it's not like he knows her in the future and is like, oh, I really like who you are, but in this version you're my age. Like you're a grandmother where I come from and you're hot here. He's never met her. He's like, all he has is the photo and maybe some stories that John's told him. And yeah, like that also bumped into me where he's just like, I love you, I've always loved you. I'm like, I'm sorry, what exactly do you love? [00:22:41] Speaker B: Yeah, that line was not good. [00:22:43] Speaker C: No, and, but it worked. It worked like the next scene is them. [00:22:47] Speaker B: Whatever bends them down. No, definitely. This is the 84, right? This is in the 80s. This was, you know, this was kind of the birth of what we now call toxic masculinity. There's that machismo kind of thing going on. Kyle isn't over the top macho, but he does kind of come off a little bit creepy when you stop to think about it, as Dan pointed out. So it's not a great fit. I've seen a lot worse in movies. They do have on screen chemistry, but they definitely didn't give this relationship enough time to develop because it happens over the course of what, two days? [00:23:27] Speaker A: Yeah, something like that. [00:23:28] Speaker C: Even, even the timeline's a little bit wonky to me when I was watching it because like the Terminator is getting busy. He's working day and night and like it, it skips an Entire day for Kyle where he's like. He spent the entire day trying to hotwire a car. It looks like he's like, oh yeah. Like two Sarah Connors are dead in the time it took you to figure out how to hotwire a car. But he was tired. [00:23:45] Speaker A: He traveled a long distance. [00:23:47] Speaker C: You're not wrong. That is fair. That is definitely showcasing the difference between the two. [00:23:50] Speaker B: But I did love how this, how Schwarzenegger walks into the gun store, just starts naming off guns, asking for everything. Even for a photon annihilated. [00:24:01] Speaker C: Just what you see, buddy, you know [00:24:03] Speaker B: damn well he knows it doesn't exist. That was just funny line they kind of put in there. But it was cool to see him just loading up all these guns. And then the next scene it's Kyle bending down in a dirty alleyway, sawing off the butt of the stolen shotgun. That's all he's got, right? It was still. It was. I, I enjoyed again, that was. That whole showcasing this versus that. You're, you're outmatched. The odds are stacked against you and it's all or nothing here. So I just, I, I liked those things. I thought it was cool. [00:24:34] Speaker A: I definitely appreciate that as well. I mean this, it reminds me of Alien. Alien is like at its heart a slasher movie. And I feel the same way about Terminator. You know, Terminator comes in, he is just gung ho after one person, chasing her down the whole movie, you know, and she's, she's the, the hero lady that comes through in the end. This is very much in a similar vibe, a similar feel, and I can get behind that. This one just of course has a little bit more action and gets more into like action chasey in the second half. But I think they've really set up a really good vibe. One by not letting us know who these two future beings are, who the good or bad is or if they are. And just the precision and the just focus of Arnold's character in this is. Is so good. You know, breaking in and just moitalizing people is just really well done and really keeps you on the edge, I think, I think. [00:25:34] Speaker C: I'm sorry, what was that word? Molizing people. Oh, it's a new one for me. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, that was something I was thinking about as well. And I'm glad you brought it up because it does. It feels very reminiscent to Alien where like the first one's kind of a horror movie and then the second one is more just full blown action. Yeah, in fact, I, I had thought that so hard that I actually misremembered this. I thought the second movie in this franchise was James Cameron and somebody else directed the first, just like with the Alien franchise and was heavily corrected during the watch party. [00:26:09] Speaker A: This is James Cameron's baby, don't you know, he, he wrote this script and sold it for a dollar, you know, just, yes, he, he wanted to ensure with the insurance that he'd sell it for only a dollar to whatever movie studio would take it. But he had to be the one to direct it because this was really his second ever movie directed. I think he directed Piranha 2 or something, which was like trash. And so he went to Orion or whatever the company was and yeah, sold the script for $1. And a lot of places were interested in the script but didn't want him to direct it so they wouldn't buy the script from him. And so he put it down to a buck, but on the condition that he would be the one to direct the film. [00:26:57] Speaker B: Smart man. [00:26:58] Speaker C: I did not know. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Played out well for him, didn't it? A couple of times on that one. [00:27:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:04] Speaker A: And, and you, I think you can see, right, it's obvious like this is like a low budget movie for 84. I think it was like six mil or something. Not, yeah, six and a half million. Not anything huge, but it comes across as a pretty big budget movie with the great modeling work that they did and, and the great action sequences they put forth. Like it comes across really well. [00:27:23] Speaker B: Let's talk about those effects because I, I was waiting to see really bad effects that were super outdated and I, I went and I was like, yeah, the robot's a little jerky after his skin's burned off, but I can still get behind it. Like it still looks great to me. Like this is still, I'm in it. I, I, I love it. And for how old this thing is, absolutely gets a pass. I think it for, and you're telling me 6 million was the budget when this thing came out? [00:27:53] Speaker C: Well, 6 million 84, but still. [00:27:55] Speaker B: Yeah, but 6 million 84 but still. And I, I just think, man, this, this is a great, great effects on this for the budget, the time it came out, how well it's holding up. Fantastic for me. Really love the look of this. [00:28:11] Speaker C: I think the Terminator, the robot at the end especially giving it a limp, like kind of explains why it's as jerky as it is, which is great storytelling too. [00:28:20] Speaker B: Yeah, good idea. Put that in there. [00:28:22] Speaker C: I think that kind of looks better than like prosthetic. Arnold does Half the movie. I found that kind of distracting when he's got, like, the gigantic eyebrows all of a sudden because he didn't want to shave his own eyebrows off or, like, not. Like, once he's missing half a face, it's almost like they put a face plate on, but when he's just missing the eye, it's like they had to make a whole rubber yeah. Mask helmet thing. And it just. It just looks a little off. It's just not quite. [00:28:45] Speaker B: Arnold, what was the reasoning for burning off his eyebrows and singeing his hair? Why put that in the script? It seems like it just adds cost and makes it a harder effect. I don't know why they. They bother doing that. They. They could have just put it that he didn't walk through fire in that early sequence. [00:29:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, you're not wrong. I. I didn't hate it. I think it's like a progression of, like, this robot is. Will do anything to get to the general and, you know, his outer body doesn't matter. [00:29:19] Speaker C: Doesn't matter to him. He's an infiltration unit, but at the end of the day, he just needs to kill Sarah Connor. [00:29:23] Speaker A: Exactly. So I didn't. [00:29:25] Speaker B: I didn't hate that. [00:29:26] Speaker A: I think they could maybe use a little more lower lighting. With the. With the rubber model, it didn't look bad. Again, like, it wasn't bad, but it was. It just doesn't quite move right. [00:29:36] Speaker B: Obviously, with the rubber model, there were. There were highs and lows with that. The first part of it, I was like, oh, that's really bad. But then later, just before he puts the glasses on it, it looked better, so it wasn't terrible. [00:29:46] Speaker A: And then some of the gruesomeness that comes from it, like pulling out the eye and. And cutting up the arm was, like, super cool and, like, gruesome and fun. So you give it a little bit of a pass because it is kind of B horror movie like effects. But big, big shout out to Stan Winston brought the special effects to life in this movie. He's well known for many, many, many movies. Terminators down the line and so on and so forth. He's worked on just tons of movies, and I think, like, a lot of the makeup effects, especially on Arie, look great. And he brought to life the metal, actual chassis of the Terminator, which also looks great. Not that he designed it, it was actually James Cameron who designed it. And one of his, like, first sketches was, like, the one they went with for the design, but he brought it to Life and I think it looks fantastic overall. But yeah, you know, it's the 80s and it was low budget. There's, there's definitely some, some give and take there. [00:30:42] Speaker B: I, I had a fantastic moment during the watch party because my 9 year old son was watching the movie with me. Not going to get parent of the year for a nine year old watching this film, but he's probably seen worse, to be honest. We just finished watching the back rooms. So he's watching and Arnold goes to cut his eye out and I look over at him and he was just. And even in the watch party I'm pointing at him like, check out my son over here. Like it was, he was, he was totally blown away by that sequence. So definitely good enough for a younger first time viewer. I was probably about his age honestly, when I first saw this movie and I, I just remember kind of feeling the same way during that sequence. So that was a great little moment right there to just share one of my favorite movies with my son and see him enjoy it as well. [00:31:34] Speaker C: That's fun. Are you gonna watch the second one with your son? [00:31:37] Speaker B: I'm hoping to watch it with one or both of them. Yeah. [00:31:40] Speaker C: I'd be very curious and if you're willing to do this, I'd love to. I can cut this out after the fact. So be it. Don't tell them anything about it. I can't remember Terminator 2 very well, but I feel like a really underrated twist is the fact that Arnold is the good guy in the movie. Because up until that scene you've got a cop coming to get the kid and Arnold going to get the kid. And if you've seen the first movie, Arnold's terrifying. [00:32:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:04] Speaker C: And I think that could be an interesting twist. Except for I was like, everybody knows that he's the good guy. Like maybe the, the trailer gave it away, but like I'm super curious to a new audience. If you come into that movie, is that a cool moment or is that just a. Yeah, of course he is. He's Arnold. [00:32:19] Speaker B: I'll tell my kid that. We need to do some research and I want you boys to watch this and give me your honest opinion. I won't tell him anything about the movie. See how it goes. My wife will probably hate me for it. Because these are, these are both rated R, right? One and two. [00:32:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Yes. [00:32:33] Speaker C: There's a lot of F bombs and nudity and gore. [00:32:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:37] Speaker A: Yes, there is. No, I, I think that's an interesting take, Dan, because I think that was a big appeal to this movie when it first came out, and the second one at that. [00:32:48] Speaker B: Right. [00:32:48] Speaker A: Because that was an unknown. And, And Arnold, again, like you said, was first recommended to be the Reese character in this. And Arnold wanted to be Reese because his agents were told him, don't play bad guys, only play the heroes. It's better for your career. And James Cameron went to meet him and being like, I'm just going to get into a fight with this guy so I don't have to hire him. Because he didn't. He wanted the smaller look for the robe or for, for the lead character. Right? Yeah. He thought Arnie was too big and too, you know, not a good actor or whatever. He didn't want Arnold in the, in that. But then Arnold talked so passionately about the Terminator and what he saw and how, how he should act and how he should be that James Cameron's like, you should be the Terminator. You, you understand the character. You understand what it's going to be. He's like, no, I can't do that. I can only do the hero. I can't do that. He's like, no, I will make sure that you're a standout from this, for this film. Like, it will happen. And so he went against his agent and, and, and did the role. [00:33:53] Speaker C: So. [00:33:53] Speaker A: And obviously worked out pretty well. [00:33:55] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, absolutely. The posters alone are iconic, you know. [00:33:58] Speaker C: Exactly. He is the star of the poster. He's the only name on the posters that you see, like Schwarzenegger in big letters. Like, he did okay. He did fine. He did just fine. I'm trying to think is this. And Batman and Robin. The only time he's played a villain. [00:34:13] Speaker A: Villain. I think there was some other, like he was like a bit part in a movie that he was a bad guy. But again, it was like just a short little bit like a I'm a big brute and then, oh, I get defeated kind of thing. But yeah, very few times. Very few times. [00:34:27] Speaker C: Fair enough. [00:34:28] Speaker B: What do you guys think about the, the time travel sequences where they show Reese's world, Reese's future, and the effects, the characters, the guns, the. The world building that went on in this movie for the budget that it had. What do you guys think about that? [00:34:46] Speaker C: I think the scene that we get where Reese is going into the compound and he's getting let in and the dogs are sniffing him and he's walking around. You're seeing all the little kids. The kids are watching like a little fire in a television set because they obviously have no power or anything like that. I think that's really great world building. I think that does a lot of telling you what the world is by showing it to you as opposed to like somebody just explaining it to them. So I think that's fantastic. The scene where they are fighting a giant robot is cool because you get to see more of what the Terminators can be. Because realistically, a humanoid Terminator is kind of a bad design. Like, if you can make a robot be anything, make them be a skyscraper on wheels. Like maybe not skyscraper, you know what I mean? Like a massive thing that can have way more artillery as opposed to a human. But the infiltration models do make sense. We see the guy get in and kind of blow the place apart. All of that really worked for me. But the scene where they are fighting on top of the land and then they like, he runs and like slides in through the. The windshield of the car and takes over driving and they're driving around Mad Max style. I feel like that car gets nuked way too quickly. And if they just like they were doing a great job hiding, just take the robot out and keep hiding maybe. Seems a little bit safer to me. Like, that felt a little like just throw it in there for no reason. [00:36:04] Speaker B: He goes from running and gunning to a hood slide into the driver's seat of the car. Like, even the other guy sees Reese and he's like, oh, you're way cooler than me. You should Dr. And gets out of the sea for him. Like, it was just great. [00:36:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:18] Speaker B: Didn't make any sense at all. Love the sequence. What about you, Will? [00:36:22] Speaker A: I think again, I think they did a lot with the lack of money they had. I think they did really great with the model work and splicing the. The model sequences with the live people sequences to make it feel as real as they could. I think we've seen worse model work in much more recent movies, so I think it holds up okay. Lighting is really dim to hide a lot of flaws. It's not bad. Did I love the future sequences? Not as much because it's more sci fi and I'm not a huge sci fi guy, so I like the present day stuff better just because it's a more enticing story to me. But I think they pulled it off for what they were going for. For. [00:37:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:08] Speaker C: Buckle up for salvation. [00:37:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:37:14] Speaker C: Entirely in the future. [00:37:16] Speaker A: I'll need something. [00:37:18] Speaker C: Oh, well, what you were saying about the. Some of the effects looking better. Like somebody in the. The group chat was making fun of like the. The Terminator at the End of the movie. And it's like, oh, man, the green screen here is pretty rough. And I'm like, honestly, it looks a lot better than Aliens 3 did. And that movie's like 15 years newer. So, like, I think for what they're doing, it's 100. [00:37:37] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, there. There was a very clear, like, whatever, blue screen, green screen of them, like, running through the building and then the guy coming behind him when they tried to close the door. [00:37:46] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:37:46] Speaker A: Oh. [00:37:47] Speaker C: I'm not saying it was perfect by [00:37:48] Speaker A: any stuff, but I think that was probably the choppiest one. But again, for me, again, like, when you see the passion that's put into the projects, that. That goes a long way with me. And this movie is oozing that passion. You can see that everybody's on board in this movie. Everybody's going 110%. And. And it shows on the screen. Absolutely, it does. And even with some of the janky effects or some of the bad story elements, like, the biggest thing for me is they're in the car chase and I think Arnie's in, like, the cop car and he crashes into the wall or something. And then the police are, like, hot on their tail and Arnie just disappears. The Terminator just go. Just gone. Like, Sarah and Reese are in their car just like. And almost annihilated. And the police pick them up. Why didn't the Terminator just finish the movie right there and then what's going on? [00:38:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that was one scene I didn't understand where they look over and he's gone. At first I was like, you know, when we're rewatching that and it's dawning on me that this is an inconsistency in the plot. I'm like, okay, maybe the Terminator feels that the presence of all these armed police who are ready to. Is too much of a risk for him to take. And so he's gonna wait and come back. But then he makes an assault on the police station. So it doesn't make any sense. [00:39:09] Speaker A: Right. [00:39:10] Speaker C: So I. I'm gonna ask a question about sequencing the movie because I honestly don't remember at the moment. Does the car crash happen before or after he goes to the gun shop and fully loads up? Because if he doesn't have all the weaponry, that would make sense. If he does have all the weaponry, it doesn't make. [00:39:25] Speaker A: No, he's got his weapons. It's after that. But before they go and get interrogated by the police. [00:39:29] Speaker C: And then. Yeah, that doesn't really Make a lot of sense because he can clearly take on all the police and he has no qualms with killing me. [00:39:35] Speaker A: He doesn't even need guns. And he can take on all the police. Like, let's be honest, what are they gonna do to him? [00:39:40] Speaker B: I mean, he did have a damaged eye and his. His right hand was damaged where he couldn't use it. So maybe he felt he was too damaged to take on the police at that moment. But then later he puts on the sunglasses and that's all it takes for him to annihilate 30 some cops in a building. Right. So, yeah, definite plot inconsistency there. That didn't make any sense or didn't have enough to works. [00:40:07] Speaker C: If you do think of this as a horror movie, because that is exactly the kind of trope that you would see Michael Myers do. [00:40:14] Speaker B: Right? [00:40:14] Speaker C: Like, he's right over there. He's right. Where'd he go? And then he comes back later on to just chase you constantly in a sci fi movie with a robot who's invincible or nigh. Invincible. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't really work out that well, but it works in the story in the context of the film, because it is that, like, oh, where is he? He could be anywhere. [00:40:34] Speaker A: Yeah, they're still. [00:40:35] Speaker C: You're not wrong. He should have just. Instead of being anywhere, he should be right there and killing you. [00:40:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just reflecting back, knowing, oh, he's this unstoppable machine. It doesn't work. But in the. This is a slasher film and we're keeping the suspense alive. It works. But yeah, it's them trying to blend that and there. It doesn't quite work together, but it is what it is. [00:40:59] Speaker C: It's fun. [00:40:59] Speaker A: No movie's perfect, right, Brian? [00:41:02] Speaker B: No movie is perfect. That's correct. This one's gonna get a hot, but it's not gonna be a perfect film. So we had a. An amazing cast in this movie with some great cameo. Well, not cameo appearances. What will later become reoccurring characters. Of course, we gotta mention our guy, Bill Paxton, who makes the trifecta of both Aliens, Predator and Terminator. Fantastic. He's got a man. His list of movies that he's been in, like Edge of Tomorrow twisters, all kinds of stuff. But I know Will has a list of actors that he probably wants to shout out. Not to mention, like Lance Hendrickson. Man, fantastic characters in here. What do you guys think of them? [00:41:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't have a list. I like Lance Henderson. We saw him again. Obviously In Alien the franchise there. And he was great in that. He was great. [00:42:04] Speaker B: So kinda gets all three. [00:42:06] Speaker A: Yeah. He almost. Yeah, he kind of hits three. [00:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:09] Speaker A: Not quite the same. [00:42:10] Speaker B: We'll call it two and a half. Maybe. [00:42:12] Speaker C: Wasn't. Wasn't Michael being a voice actor in the nose in the cartoon Predator so that he could be technically in all three? Or am I making that up? [00:42:20] Speaker A: I'm not sure. [00:42:21] Speaker C: Yeah, I feel like we talked about that during that, that episode. But I, I'm not super. I guess he's right in front of me. I can just IMDb that. [00:42:28] Speaker B: But for him to play Hicks in, in. In one of my all time favorite films also like fantastic. You know, like I didn't really even know who Michael Bean was until Terminator or until Aliens 2 this. Aliens the sequel. But then going back and realizing that he played Kyle Reese in this film and it's just like, wow, he was, he was great here and just got better. [00:42:55] Speaker A: You know, I, I agree. I think he did a great job with the complicated character to play. You know, being this future, obviously suffering from this crazy war torn upbringing and then coming back in time. How he knew how to do everything, that's whatever. But like he does a good balancing act of like, I, I just have to protect you at all costs. Just come with me, I'll explain it. And they do a good job of explaining little bits while they're like driving away in the car or here's a moment in the hotel room, like a little bit of quiet to do a little bit of expedition exposition. I think he balanced it well overall. Aside from. Yeah, he was given the creep creepy task of hitting on this old lady. [00:43:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Of giving birth to John Connor. [00:43:41] Speaker C: I wouldn't have hated a little bit from his character commenting on the 1980s and like the excess and the, the world that it is. Because like the world he comes from sucks. [00:43:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:52] Speaker C: So like even when he's in the department store and there's just like jackets and shoes and like all these brand new things, like just a little bit of him like looking around just like holy crap. Like they just had stuff everywhere. Or like he should be in like this is not again, not needed in the film. But like I would have loved to have seen him thoroughly enjoying a cheeseburger. Just be like, oh my God, he asks for the kitchen and it's just to make pipe bombs. Which is super important, don't get me wrong. But like if you're traveling back from hell to a paradise, it would have been fun to have seen him Enjoy a little bit of paradise. [00:44:24] Speaker A: Yeah, well, and that, that's the other thing is, like, who wouldn't volunteer for that job? Right. [00:44:28] Speaker C: Like, right, I get out of here forever. Done. [00:44:34] Speaker A: Bye. [00:44:34] Speaker B: Bye. And this is the girl. I, I, I really enjoyed his sequence in the car when he is trying to get it through her head that this machine will not stop. Right. Very good dialogue that he delivered right there. I also love. He gave birth to the iconic line, come with me if you want to live. Right. That was his line that started it all. Everybody gives it to Schwarzenegger, but that was his line. And a fantastic line. And in an intense sequence, too, when he goes and kind of, you know, sort of rescues her, but also uses her as bait, which I thought was a little bit weird. Like, you could have just got her convinced or kidnapped her or whatever and then just drove away and just wait for the guy who's gonna constantly chase you. Yeah, that's the Terminator. I don't, I don't need to wait for him to pop out and put the red dot on her forehead. [00:45:29] Speaker A: But it was a great scene, though. [00:45:31] Speaker B: Great scene. Yeah, I loved it. Like, everything they did was like, I don't know if it should work like that, but, God, it was so much fun to. [00:45:38] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, there's, yeah, there's a lot in here. Again, you know, bring up Jurassic park, where it doesn't necessarily make the most sense, but it makes for the best film. [00:45:46] Speaker A: Yeah, right, right, right. [00:45:47] Speaker B: And. And his line about the kitchenette where he's like, yeah, we're gonna make plastique. And I'm like, okay, that's not plastique. And you can't make it out of that stuff either. That's the pipe bomb. It's cool. Why do we have to call it plastique? Which you never used in the movie, but still, explosives. That was good enough. [00:46:04] Speaker C: I mean, where he comes from, they might not know what plastique is. Maybe he was told this is plastique. [00:46:08] Speaker B: I don't know. Yeah, y. [00:46:10] Speaker C: So that's all that matters. [00:46:11] Speaker B: It works. Yeah, it works. Another favorite sequence of mine was when she is watching the Terminator after it explodes in the truck, and she's watching it kind of crawl and it lays its head down and its skin is just sloughing off as it burns to death. And she relaxes, and then she hears Kyle, and she's like, oh, Kyle, cue up the romantic music. And they go over there and you. And it's a pretty climactic ending right there. And that was pretty Cool. But it wasn't the end of the movie. They take it up a whole nother level. You get another huge sequence where the robot comes out of the fire. Queue up that music and just your adrenaline. I got goosebumps just talking about that scene. Such a great little sequence in the movie. Loved it. Just made this movie absolutely epic for me. [00:47:04] Speaker C: It's the one last kill. The slasher always has to come back one last time. Yeah, I. I also enjoyed twice. [00:47:11] Speaker A: They do it twice. [00:47:11] Speaker C: Well, most of them. Most of them do it multiple times, but you know what I mean? Like, they never stay dead. I did like that. [00:47:20] Speaker A: It's. [00:47:21] Speaker C: It's. Linda Hamilton saves herself in the end. Like, Sarah Connor absolutely is the one to actually kill the Terminator. I mean, obviously, Reese helmet helps a lot. She would be dead long before this point, but at the end of the day, she's the one that outsmarts it. She's the one that crushes it and kills it, and she's the one that survives. I. I thought that was really cool. As opposed to, like, if his pipe bomb was the last thing and it was his dying wish to protect her. Okay. But I like that she saved herself. [00:47:46] Speaker B: This makes her a badass, strong female lead. I love those. She. She starts out helpless and kind of pathetic, but her character develops and she becomes Sarah freaking Connor, and she kills the Terminator. And I think that is what this movie is really all about. It's not the birth of John Connor. It's the birth of the legend Sarah Connor, who becomes a badass. And we get to see more of that coming soon. [00:48:14] Speaker C: If you like what we do and you want to help support us, consider joining our Patreon. There's a link down below. Thank you to our producers as well as our executive producer, Dino. And a huge shout out to our head writers, Elder Jam990 and Real Bubba Hotep. Thank you all very much. [00:48:31] Speaker B: All right, so Terminator. The Terminator 1984. This is one of my favorite movies, one of my favorite franchises, and I'm so stoked and just, frankly, I'm honored that we get to do this one. I can't say enough good things about this movie, so I'm going to try and just highlight some of the flaws. Arnold's acting was not amazing for me. I was kind of finding it laughable. I loved his character, and I love him cast as the Terminator. And as the franchise continues, he's going to have some highs and lows as the T1000. The plot had some holes. It's a time travel movie. It's going to have some holes. So I forgive the time travel plot ones. In fact, I like that John Connor is a gin. I like that twist ending in the film. So that adds points for me. But there were some small plot holes, things that just didn't really make sense why you would do that. But those all led to great action sequences. So it's like every fail this movie has just makes something better out of it. This was just awesome from start to finish. I'm giving it a 92. Not a flawless movie, but something everyone should watch. [00:49:44] Speaker C: Brian decided to talk about all the negatives. I'm gonna go the opposite way and talk about some of the positives about this movie that we didn't really touch on. I think the soundtrack for this one is actually pretty solid. There's one point where the music was a little bit weird and jarring, but for the most part the music in this is really solid. And that like is such a good little piece of music with. With so little. Like it's so classic to the Terminator. And we're gonna hear it coming up in the next few movies too as well, I'm sure. I actually don't mind Arnold's acting. I'm not saying he's, you know, gonna get an Oscar or anything from this film, but for being a murderous robot with no emotions, I think he does a pretty good job of it. Which Will mentioned he did like weapons training for months getting ready for this. That he could use all the weapons he had to use without like looking to reload. Being able to use them with both hands, like just trying to act as robotic as possible. I thought he did fine for that. And he actually makes a pretty terrifying villain in a sci fi or in a horror movie, depending on what you want to clarify or classify this as. I also thought Michael Bean in this was really fun to watch. I like Sarah Connor. I like the chemistry between them. I don't necessarily buy the whole like, I've loved you forever nonsense. That was the line that I didn't need. But I do understand him falling in love with her over the course of two days. That makes sense. They're both attractive people. They're. Whatever. The time travel nonsense doesn't really bother me. Like it does like. Like Brian said, like it's kind of fun and it's kind of a cool twist that he is his own. No, he. Whatever. Like he's the one that is John Connor's father. I kind of like it. Despite the fact that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And you can write around it so that it does make sense where, you know, it's still John Connor, but it's a different person. Anyways, I enjoyed this movie more than I thought I was going to, to be perfectly honest. And I'm giving an 85. [00:51:23] Speaker A: I'm not going to talk about the good or the bad. I'm going to talk about something completely different because y' all did the other things. So I think this is a solid action thriller, you know, with the. The slasher vibes, action. It was a good blend overall. I think James Cameron, you can see the passion on the screen. And there's a reason that the movie studio didn't believe in this movie at all. No marketing went into this when it released, but it's obviously a banger when it hit, you know, number one movie in the box office for multiple weeks on release with no marketing. That's super impressive. That's just word of mouth that. That's just people finding this movie and forcing their friends to watch it because it's so wild and, and, and fun. I think it's a certain standout movie for Arnold. It really put him, solidified him as an action movie star as well as Cameron as an action movie director. And it spawned one hot mess of a franchise that I'm somewhat looking forward to and somewhat fearing watching here in the next. The next couple of weeks. I think some of the elements of this really hold up great. Some not so much. Some of the story elements of this hold up really great. Some not so much overall. And this is the controversial part. I'm the lowest coming in at 82 out of 100. But I still think this is like a very essential movie for people to watch and it has its place in history for a reason. There's not very many bad reviews you're going to find on this movie. And for good reason in my mind. [00:52:57] Speaker C: And with that, you can see Terminator comes in with a score of 85, 92 and 82 for a grand total of 86, tying it with Kill Bill at the very top there, only being in the second place because of the Alphabet. What do you guys think of this ranking? And obviously this happens a lot where, like we get one movie in and it goes straight to the top and then, you know, the second movie, the third movie, the seventh movie, really drag it down. And in fact, we've got two of those back to back with Terminator, the Incredibles. Both of those. We've only reviewed the first movie Of. But yeah, this being tied for first place, does that feel about right to you, one movie in or does that feel ridiculously high? Will, I'm gonna go to you. [00:53:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think this is gonna play out almost note for note as Alien franchise did. It started really good with, with two wonderful movies and it's just going to slowly crawl its way into the 70s, low 70s mark. That's my thought. But starting high makes sense to me. It's a quality movie. It makes sense. [00:54:04] Speaker B: I, I think that the technically speaking Kill Bill is probably a better produced movie or movies, however you want to figure if that's one or two movies, you know, because he called it two, we called it two. Right. But I, I do think that from a technical standpoint, Kill Bill was definitely made better. Right. But it had a bigger budget to work with. And as far as like, Will talked about the passion that was put into the Terminator, I think that's why it can hold up to Kill Bill. And I think when Terminator 2 comes out, we're not going to see it slide very far at all. But yes, over the course of this franchise, I see a dropping right down there with Aliens and Predator. [00:54:46] Speaker C: I think that's fair. I will say. I, I think, I don't know. I've not seen the last couple of Terminator movies, but I feel like Aliens at least tried new things and Predator at least tried new things. And Terminator is the exact same movie with bigger guns for six iterations. Well, for four iterations at least, because the first two are a little bit different [00:55:11] Speaker B: things. Right? [00:55:13] Speaker C: Sure. It just feels like Terminator 4, 5, 7, 12. They're all the same movies. [00:55:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:17] Speaker C: Somebody goes back in time and tries to kill somebody. Whereas Aliens tried new things, predators trying new things. So I'll give those ones props. Even though they did land in the 70s. I'm curious where Terminator is going to land, but I don't have high hopes for it. However, right here, right now, it does land itself on our top 10 list. Coming in at night, 8th place with a total of 86. [00:55:43] Speaker B: Look at that, look at that. Predator, Terminator, Alien right there holding the last three. That's awesome. [00:55:51] Speaker A: I'm actually, I'm a little sad that Alien is below Terminator, to be honest. But that's just me. That's just me. [00:55:58] Speaker C: I understand that. I, I feel like I got a little. I don't necessarily want to go back and change my score, but I also just, every time I see Prey on that list, I'm just like Ooh, I really like it. But like, that is some high praise to be putting it in that category. [00:56:18] Speaker A: You were just so happy somebody brought it back from the brink, you know, that you were overjoyed. [00:56:25] Speaker C: I'm not going to deny I really like Prey. Like, it is easily my favorite of the Predator movies movies. But man, that oh, like eighth best movie ever on our list is a little high. But I agree. I'm glad. [00:56:42] Speaker B: I mean, I gave it high praise too, but not 90s. [00:56:46] Speaker C: I'm aware. I know it's me. I know it's me. I love you're right that we've got Indiana Jones, we've got Alien, we've got Mad Max, Predator, Terminator, Jurassic Park. Like, I'm. I'm really actually very happy with this list. [00:57:00] Speaker A: List. [00:57:00] Speaker B: Such a fun curating. [00:57:02] Speaker A: It's like you can. You could tell if. If somebody just saw this list and had to guess what year we were born, I think they'd nail it. [00:57:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. 100 [00:57:13] Speaker C: fair. [00:57:15] Speaker B: So city of God. I have no desire to see again, though obviously I really enjoyed the movie, but it's a dark film and the fun factor is not really there on a second watch for me. As for Kill Bill, I have no desire to watch Kill Bill again until they have the whole bloody aff. Just more out of curiosity how that's going to play out as one movie. But otherwise I don't really want to watch Kill Bill again either, except maybe to showcase it to my kids when they're older or something like that because it's. It's a great put together film and it deserves high praise. But everything else on this list, dude, if it, if it's on on my, like, I walk into my friend's house and it's on the tv, I'm just plopping down on the couch and watching. That's it. [00:57:56] Speaker C: All right, so that's our rating of the Terminator, but what's yours? Leave a comment down below. I'd love to hear what you have to say. We record this every Thursday night at 9pm Eastern Standard Time over at Twitch TV TheMoonGoolie Show. So you can head over there and hit the follow button if you want to hang out with us live. Or if you made it this far in the video, you probably enjoyed it. 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