Ep 94 - The Incredibles (2004)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Bob Parr is yearning for his youth as his day to day job is an unfulfilling slog. But when given the opportunity to relive his incredible past, Bob jumps at the chance without telling his wife, which stretches their relationship to its limit. [00:00:24] Speaker B: Completely overrated. Hi, I'm Run seven. Dan's out today. This is our rating where I get together with some of my buddies. Well, it's just Will and me today because Dan's absent and we review a franchise, score it and put it up on a board with a couple of other franchises to see where it lands. Today we're going to be talking about the Incredibles, which we had a fun time watching in our watch party. And if you want to be a part of this, there's going to be links in the description which Dan will edit together in this video hopefully because I'm not going to do all that work. Well, welcome to our rating. Thanks everybody. [00:00:56] Speaker A: Well placed. [00:00:57] Speaker B: I don't know, I just throw it shittier, see what sticks. [00:01:01] Speaker A: Perfect. That's perfect. Yeah, like, like Brian said, we're talking about 2004's the Incredibles, Pixar's first animated movie that focuses on humans, the people. Prior to this, it was toys or animals or bugs or what have you. This is their first point of view from the humans themselves. But I got a question for you, Brian, before we get started into the movie. [00:01:26] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:26] Speaker A: You know, this is like a comic book movie. This is superheroes. It always inspires me to think about superpowers. [00:01:33] Speaker B: Right. [00:01:34] Speaker A: I always enjoy talking about superpowers myself. I want to ask you, my good man, if you could choose one superpower that is not teleportation, because that's everybody's go to, I feel. [00:01:44] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:01:45] Speaker A: What kind of superpower would you choose and why? [00:01:47] Speaker B: Okay, well, I don't actually like teleportation. My go to is to open up a portal that from here to anywhere and be able to transport stuff through it. So, you know, I used to be a long haul truck driver. That would apply very well to me, but that's a little too close to teleportation. So we're going to get away from that and go with my secondary superpower that I think would be hands down the best superpower ever, which is the ability to give anyone an orgasm by just thinking about it. Things, things to consider. State of the Union address could be a lot more fun to watch that one. Right. Or having a bad day in class. You might end class a little bit early. There's all kinds of things you could use that for not just trying to get the wife in the mood or anything. So I, I think just walking around and thinking about it and watching people in the grocery store just get wobbly in the knees would be a lot of fun. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Just endless applications. Well, that's really good. That's really out of left field. I didn't see that one coming. [00:02:56] Speaker B: What about you, Will? What do you got for me? [00:02:59] Speaker A: Yeah, so I'm a very indecisive person. And I also really like my superpowers to be somewhat balanced, so to speak, because I think if it's too powerful, you know, where's the fun in that? You got to have. There's a great saying, with great power comes great responsibility. Or, you know, power should be a blessing and a curse. So I've. I've changed my mind multiple times, but because I am so indecisive, here's my superpower. Every month I wake up with a brand new superpower that I've never had before. And I have it for one month and I have to relearn how to use it, how to utilize it. And in one month, it will be gone and I will never have the same superpower again. Okay, one month down the line, I'm going to get the orgasm power. Really turn some heads. [00:03:55] Speaker B: Gets your revenge on me probably. Because if I had that power, I tell you what, there'd be a reason Dan's not here, that's for sure. No, that's. That's pretty good though. [00:04:07] Speaker A: Every. [00:04:08] Speaker B: Every. Every month, a new power. I like that. [00:04:11] Speaker A: Every. Every new moon, let's say, you know, let's have it somewhat related to the cosmos somehow. You know, that's. That's good stuff for me. [00:04:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So we're watching a movie about superheroes with superpowers. Is there a superpower in this film that you kind of think is pretty cool? [00:04:30] Speaker A: You know what, what I really enjoy about the Incredibles is that the superpowers inform the characters. And in a lot of comic book movies or superhero movies, that's not necessarily the case. But the director and writer Brad Bird, in this case, he specifically chose the superpowers around the character traits, which I thought really led to increasing the depth of the character and getting to know them and relate to them. So, you know, the insecure teenager girl doesn't want to be seen, so she can actually turn, she can hide. The, you know, young 8 year old kid who's just full of energy, can just run as fast as humanly possible, beyond humanly possible. [00:05:22] Speaker B: And of Course, the dad wants to be strong enough to handle any situation. So strength. [00:05:27] Speaker A: And the mother stretched in every direction in her family life, has the stretchy powers. So I really, I really like all the powers in this movie because of that. And then there's even Jack. Jack, you know, he's unknown, so his powers are unknown. You don't know how powerful he is until the end. You see that he's got multiple powers because, you know, the youth is, you know, the next generation of what's to come. And it's unknown until. Until a little later. I. I really enjoyed the, the. The thought and that went into that in this movie. What about you? What about you? [00:06:06] Speaker B: I like Frozone's power. Keep it simple. I freeze people. It's kind of cool. [00:06:10] Speaker A: Frozone's power was. He wanted Brett, Brad, Bird, I think in the interview was like, I wanted to cast Samuel L. Jackson because I wanted Frozone to be the coolest guy. [00:06:24] Speaker B: I didn't know that. Yeah, I think so too. I think so. [00:06:28] Speaker A: There you go. Also informs his power, right? [00:06:31] Speaker B: Yeah. They. There were a few people in the Watch party who wanted the R rating version of Frozone, like the Sam Jackson that just drops all the curse words and everything. And we were talking about that. It was kind of funny. So we both have kids. Dan's got kids. I've seen this movie a lot. Have you seen this movie a lot or was this. [00:06:55] Speaker A: I've seen this movie a lot. When the movie first came out, my nieces were very young, about the age that you'd be watching a lot of Pixar movies. So I watched it first with them, and then I watched it later with some nephews and nieces that came later in life. And then I watched it again now with my son, strong boy who's now six years old in loves, you know, superheroes of all kinds. So I've seen this movie a lot. [00:07:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:23] Speaker A: At no point in the movie I'm like, oh, I forgot that. [00:07:27] Speaker B: So that was kind of my problem with this film is that it's a good film. I'm gonna show my cards right now. It's. It's a good film. It's put together really well. And I very much enjoyed it the first time and the second time and, you know, going into the 36th time, it starts to wear on you a bit. And I've just seen it so much that watching it in the Watch party was a bit of a chore. And I kind of felt there were some other people who felt the same way, it's not a bad movie. It's just when you've seen it so many times that you're not wanting to see it anymore. You're just, you're just saturated with the film. It's kind of tough. So going through and rating this film, I had to be very critical and go, well, I remember the fun from the first time and maybe even the seventh time. And now it's not that much fun for me anymore. But it's, you know, my scores were still pretty high on, you know, all the different individual parts of the film. So still a great film, but just kind of hard for me to watch. Did you feel like that? [00:08:28] Speaker A: I, I, I, I definitely hear where you're coming from. I, there's, there's no way. I'm just gonna be like, you know what, let's throw on the Incredibles. You know, we haven't seen right a while. Not going to happen. But if somebody wants to watch it, I'll watch along because it is still a fun movie. I feel like maybe this one isn't as like laugh out loud as some of the other Pixar movies can be, but I think it makes up for it in fold by the depth of character and the great plot that this story has. So it's not like a slog for me to watch this movie. But yeah, I do, I do understand where you're coming from. [00:09:08] Speaker B: Let's talk about the plot a little bit. Are there any holes in the plot for you or is this a pretty well thought out start to finish kind of thing? [00:09:18] Speaker A: I mean, simple answer. I think it's, it's, here's my. And you showed your hand a little bit saying, this is a good movie. I'll show my hand a bit. This is not a good superhero movie. This is not a good animated movie. This is just a great movie. Yeah, it's one of the, I would say, upper echelon superhero movies there is and that's because it does have a really great plot and it focuses on the family dynamic as much as it focuses on the action as much as it focuses on the plot. And those things all come together really well in this movie. I find it's got a really great pace, it's got lots of action that you want and the animation is Pixar always pushing the limit and you feel that and see that when this movie came out especially maybe doesn't hold up quite as well now with the advances, but I still think because it's such a, it's such a specific look to it that it gets away with some of those lesser animation that we have nowadays, you know? Right. [00:10:31] Speaker B: I was noticing the. The look of the movie is a bit bland and boring. You see movies now, like into the Spider Verse that has just amazing art style just blooming from the film, just coming off the screen in 3D sometimes. It, you know, really genuinely is. This movie is really simplistic in its art style. Nothing fancy there. But it's okay. It's okay because that's. That's not the point of the film. The point of the film is that family dynamic. It's the plot, it's the character depth that showcases so well. So I skip over that. I don't even notice it until I'm trying to critique this film, and I'm going, oh, wow, this art style is a little boring these days. It didn't really hold up that well, but I wouldn't notice that if I wasn't stopping to really tear it apart. [00:11:21] Speaker A: To me, I feel like it. It was a stylistic choice because it's like a comic book, right. It is more of a 2D feel to some of the characters, and the costuming is. [00:11:32] Speaker B: And. [00:11:33] Speaker A: And the, you know, the whole 60s futuristic style, I feel, is done just as well as the newest Fantastic Four, if not better. So I don't mind it because it. It sucks you into that world. The music, you know, reminds you of the old 60s espionage movies, so it all kind of blends together to me quite well. And so then I do forget it for not having, like, the best hair, you know, that's ever been rendered, or the best fabric look. But in 2008, I think it was the best of those things and helped push the industry forward. So I got to give it kudos for that. [00:12:12] Speaker B: You mentioned the music and the sound. That was another thing that maybe didn't hit as well for me, and maybe because it is a little bit older, the music was a specific choice. It was a good choice, but at times I felt it was a little bit kind of hitting me on the head with those sounds. And I kind of wish that they could have maybe put a little more subtlety into it in some spots. Overall, it was a great. It was good. It was good. I just felt there was a little bit more room for improvement. And maybe at the time this movie came out that was perfect, and it's just faded since then, but for me, I was just kind of like, boy, that's. That's a strong superhero song right there. That's like a little on the nose for Me. [00:12:55] Speaker A: Right, yeah, no, they definitely almost parody it in some ways with how over the top they go with the music and some of the, even some of the action scenes. Right. But that, that's a totally fair assessment. [00:13:10] Speaker B: Yeah. This movie has a body count in it, which is something kind of unusual for a Pixar film. Somebody in our watch party said that it was 43 humans that were killed and 10 robots that were killed in the film. And like not all of them were bad guys. So I don't know. But it was, it was kind of unusual. But like you see like the kids like blowing people up and smashing people in their little hovercraft rides and stuff. I didn't ever notice that. The first like seven watch throughs though, because it's such a smooth film, the way it plays through. You're just in there and you see other silly things happen. Like he punches his boss through like 17 walls and his boss is just in a body cast. It didn't look violent or bloody or anything. Even though, you know, he basically hit him like a bus, you know. And so it kind of sets this tone where you just kind of think, okay, people are made of rubber and no one's really dying, but if you pay attention, they're offing people left and right. [00:14:20] Speaker A: 100. This is the first Pixar movie that it got their PG rating and rightly so. Like again, as I said, like, it's not a good animated movie. It's a great animated movie because it, it pushes the envelope of what they can show as far as action in an animated movie and get away with, you know, just a PG rating. There is a lot of self defense. [00:14:44] Speaker B: Destruction. Yeah, yeah, that's that. That is. You mentioned self defense. You mentioned self defense. [00:14:51] Speaker A: Peril in general though, right? Like when Helen is in the airplane trying to land on the island and they're shooting the missiles and she's like talking over like it's an intent. That's one of the most intense scenes to me where you're like, oh my goodness, they could all be done for. And it's not holding back because of how well executed is. She's like given actual military commands about like abort, abort. And there's children on board. And then you see you cut to mirage. Incredible. And, and mirage. And they're like, they're shocked this is actually happening. Yeah, it's very well done. And so, yeah, kudos for them taking it that far. I really, I actually enjoyed that portion. [00:15:34] Speaker B: It, it made the movie have a sense of, of reality. To it. It was. It was something that you could. Yeah, it was. It was real. It was intense. It gave it some life there. There were lots of moments like that. Even I. One thing that I really liked was the transition of the young girl whose name's slipping my mind right now that she turns invisible. What's her name? Turns invisible. [00:15:59] Speaker A: Good. Good question. I have no idea. Helen's the mom. [00:16:03] Speaker C: Jack. [00:16:04] Speaker A: Jack's the girl. She's the boy. Buddy's the bad guy. Violet. [00:16:09] Speaker B: Violet. [00:16:09] Speaker A: There we go. [00:16:10] Speaker B: Yeah. It was way down on my list. One of the things that I liked about the film was the transition that Violet goes through. Her father encouraging her. You know, she puts her hair back. He says he likes it, you know, and she. You could see her smile later. She has the courage to talk to that boy at the end of the movie, and she's in control of her. Her character arc was fantastic. It was a little subtle through the beginning of the film. It really pops at the end. She was a fun character for me to watch, as was Dash, you know, trying so hard to get second place at the end of the film in that race, which is fantastic because he knows he can win it. So it's more about executing his powers with responsibility. That was the challenge in that race for him. And so seeing that. That take place in these characters, how they. How they figure things out as a family and together and figure out their own flaws, lots of fun for me. Did you have a certain character in the film that you really enjoyed watching? [00:17:08] Speaker A: I mean, just to bounce off of you there? I. I disagree that all the characters felt like they had great arcs. Right. You mentioned with Dash, how he had to. At the end, he got to race. He got to find that responsible use of his power. And I just. There's this foreshadowing the movie, where at the beginning, Dash is talking to his mom on the car right after seeing the principal. Right. And putting the thumbtack on the thing, and she's like, you know, you have to be normal. And he's like, yeah, but if. If what is the exact line, I'm going to botch it if I don't get it. Exactly right. But Dash is, like, saying, if. That's just another way of saying nobody is special. Right. If everyone is special, nobody's special. And then later in the film, Syndrome says, if everybody has a superpower, then no, nobody has. [00:18:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:01] Speaker A: So it. It kind of makes you think, oh, Dash could go down the same path as Syndrome here, because he's not getting to do what he Wants just in incredible boy didn't get what he wanted. Right. And I like that parallel of characters and then how Dash, with his help of his family and their realization of what he needed, could find that balance and allow him to compete and still be this energetic boy that he wanted to be. So I really, just really liked some of the arcs in this movie, and I think all the characters got to experience change in this movie, and you don't get that a lot. Not all characters in movies get to. You're lucky if you get one in some of the movies we've watched, it seems. Right. [00:18:43] Speaker B: So, yeah, the. The father, desperately trying to be strong enough to support his family, realizes that he needs to include his family, and that's where he's going to find his strength. And the mother, of course, figuring out that she needs to allow them to use their powers and that they can't just hide away all the time, you know? And then at the end, the scene where they all look at each other, they come together, they've got their masks on, and they're going to go after the Underminer, who was another amazing character, even though his cameo was so short. Like, instantly loved that character. I thought it was great lines. [00:19:19] Speaker A: His lines were so funny. Again, I'm going to botch it. He's like, I live under you, but nobody's beneath me. Yeah, like. And again, they had such strong character choices in the movie, but they were all earned, I felt, you know, even, like, Frozo, like you said, he's like this super cool guy, but he earns it. And Syndrome is like, you understand him as a villain and why he went the way he did, and you understand him. Like, there's no question in any of the characters in the movie. I feel like they're all so wealthy thought out that it. It just really keeps the entertainment going in this movie. [00:20:00] Speaker B: There was a part for me in Syndrome's character where he fell into a cliche and he starts monologuing, and they actually utilize that in the story. And he points it out, he said, oh, you caught me monologuing. And it was like, that's. That's so cool that they were able to use the cliche and it not feel like a cliche. So. So that was, yeah, excellent points all around for the character development, the story arcs, the plot. I think it was incredibly solid, in fact, for plot on my rating system, it got one of the highest scores of any movie I've got because there wasn't any, really, any plot holes in the film that I could find at all to even mock. And it was such a good idea the way they. They roll through this. So really enjoyed that. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. I think maybe if I had to choose, like, a weakest character, it would be the Mirage character. Her purpose is Ganley's, like, to track down these, you know, heroes. But more her purpose is to be a fake or, you know, a red herring love interest for Mr. Incredible. So she didn't give a lot of meat to work with, but I understood the reason for her character. So it was. It wasn't too bad. [00:21:17] Speaker B: And she still got a very emotional scene that stuck with me when Mr. Incredible grabs her and says, I'll crush her. And Syndrome's like, yeah, go ahead, do it. You know, let's. Let's see you do it. And of course, he doesn't. And then that creates the tension between her and Syndrome and what she says to him. And it was. It was impactful and it was strong. And coming from an animated show to. To have that. That emotion that I felt from those scenes that she was in was still really good. I wouldn't even say that her character was weak. I. I would say that her character wasn't given enough room to. To really shine in the film. Yeah. [00:21:51] Speaker A: So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of characters in the movie that they do focus on, so it makes sense. She's kind of a side character. She doesn't get as much. But you're right. I mean, I understood why she changed her ways and helped them in the end. And even after she gets punched out by Helen. Right. Like, she's help. It all made sense. And again, just talking about the darkness where they went with Mr. Incredible, be like, I'll snap her like a toothpick. And, like, you feel like, oh, man, he definitely could go there, you know? [00:22:20] Speaker B: Well, he thought he just lost his family. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, they really. They really push it. And I really. I just respect the movie for doing that. [00:22:29] Speaker B: Yeah. For. For giving it the edge that it had first time. I mean, honestly, I can't think of many animated films at all that would give an edge to their characters like this. Sometimes I think of, like, maybe the Secret of Nim had some really deep emotional plot lines in it, but never the character depth like this had. [00:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, for sure. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Is there anything you want to touch on before I swing over to Dan's comments on the film, which I have yet to see? [00:23:02] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I forgot. We have Dan to highlight here with his chat. He'll give his Rating as well, right? [00:23:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess so. He'll probably be the first of us to give his rating. And I'm very curious to see where plans on this film. [00:23:15] Speaker A: I am as well. I know, you know, he's got kids, so I'm sure he's like, us watched this movie a dozen times, whether he wanted to or not. So I'm interested in what he has to say. I guess the only other thing I really need or want to add is, like, the movie, it's got so many, like, foreshadowing and callbacks throughout the movie. I just thought it was really cool how they set it up, but it wasn't like. I mean, obviously, I think the most prevalent foreshadowing is, like, capes are out. You know, don't wear capes. [00:23:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:45] Speaker A: It all ends poorly. And so you see Syndrome in the cape, you know, automatically, like, that's gonna be a thing. [00:23:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:51] Speaker A: But I didn't hate it because it was so well done throughout the. They talk about it multiple times and then it comes to fruition. I thought it was. It was well planned, but. Yeah, just. I just think there's a lot of that kind of stuff in the. In the movie that was really cool. You know, Bob, at the beginning when he first meets the robot or is talking about going and destroying the robot or whatever. Right. For them. [00:24:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:17] Speaker A: He's like, let me guess, you know, you built this robot, it got too smart and now it's out of control. He says that right at the beginning, and that's what happens at the end. Right. Syndrome, you know, tries to shut it down and it gets too smart. And that's one that I didn't really see coming. And so it's like, they do that throughout the movie in so many ways. And I pick them up, obviously now way more because I've seen the movie, like, 20 times, but I still think they do a great job of. [00:24:42] Speaker C: A lot of. [00:24:43] Speaker B: And I think that's the mark of great writing, is when you can make those subtle callbacks and people don't see it coming when you can put a twist in the plot. And you don't see it coming when you add foreshadowing and you don't know it's foreshadowing. I just think that's great. And this movie has it in spades because they have such great writing and I think directing as well. [00:25:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think this is the first Pixar movie that was written and directed by the same person. Most Pixar movies are written by, like, a Group of people. Yeah, they literally. I think they brought Brad Bird in and were like, hey, come work for us. And he's like, I don't know. And they're like, well, here's the thing. Pick whatever project you want, your biggest dream project you've ever wanted to do, and we'll do it. And so he pitched this and they're like, yep, let's do it. And so you can see the passion of. Of him in this movie to the point where Edna E. Mode, the costume designer, is voiced by Brad Bird. [00:25:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:47] Speaker A: And they were looking at a few different actresses, and at one point, Lily Tomlin was considered for the voice, but when she heard Brad Bird's performance on the temp track, she's like, you already have the voice you want. Why would I. Why would I take that role? So she actually declined the role and they went with. With Brad. So I think that's like, really? It just shows how invested this guy is throughout this movie in every element of. [00:26:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And Edna, what a fantastic character too. [00:26:19] Speaker A: Right? [00:26:19] Speaker B: I just. I loved her. Loved her. Absolutely loved her. Yeah. And incredible. [00:26:24] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:26:25] Speaker B: Lots. Lots of good stuff. [00:26:27] Speaker A: Let's hear Brian. I mean, Dan. [00:26:28] Speaker B: Let's hear Dan. [00:26:29] Speaker A: Point of view. [00:26:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [00:26:31] Speaker A: He's got some critiques. Because we. We are lacking sorely. [00:26:34] Speaker C: If you like what we do and you want to help support us, consider joining our Patreon. There's a link down below. Thank you to our producers as well as our executive producer, Dino, and huge [00:26:45] Speaker B: shout out to our head writers, Elder [00:26:47] Speaker C: JM990 and Real Bubba Hotep. So this is the first episode of our rating that I've ever missed, and it's a weird thing to be giving my thoughts on a movie without hearing anything from Brian or Will before. I normally have, like, a pretty long discussion before we get to this point. The Incredibles is a movie that I've been hearing for decades about how amazing it is, and it's one of Pixar's best. It's so incredible. It's one of the best superhero films and it's the best story of the Fantastic Four, I think. Feel like this one, kind of like Brian said about Nimona a couple weeks ago, is a lot of really good pieces that just don't quite come together for me. The voice acting is fantastic. The storyline itself is. Is fine. The comedy doesn't hit for me as hard as other Pixar movies. Do. Do. But like, normally Pixar movies have a really strong core, like a heart to them, and I just don't connect to this movie in that way for whatever reason. Also, I think it'd be fair to say that like the CG animation has not aged all that well with a lot of like hand drawn animation. Things like the Disney classics think like Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, those all still look phenomenal to this day. And those are older than I care to admit. But some of the Disney Pixar CG animation movies just don't look as solid as they they used to. Like the opening scene, like the opening scenes in black and white and kind of fuz. But like right after that you see like Mr. Incredible trying to get to work or get to get to his wedding is what he's trying to get to. And he's stopping to like help with all these situations and that looks awful. Like, like really has not aged well. I don't dig it against the movie because generally speaking, like, you kind of forget about it and you kind of get sucked in the movie. But every now and then you get reminded like, oh, oh, that doesn't look good. That's. That's rough. But overall, this just doesn't grab me as, as a lot of animated or Pixar movies do. So I still think it's phenomenal film. I still think it's really good. I just don't have it in quite as high a regard as other people do. Like, hear people talk about this being it's like almost a perfect film. I don't know, for me it's like a 74. Like, it's, it's good, it's solid, it's really well done. It is probably one of like the 10 best Pixars. I wouldn't put in like the top three, though. I think it's fine. Wow. Wow. [00:29:07] Speaker B: Once again, we're gonna have to write the ship, Will. Oh my. [00:29:14] Speaker A: It's always the case. I'm like, oh man, I'm really talking up on this movie. I'm really enjoying it. And then Dan comes in with the exact opposite opinion. I'm just like, no heart in this movie. This movie has more heart than most with the whole family dynamic. [00:29:27] Speaker B: Right? [00:29:29] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:29:30] Speaker B: I was kind of surprised to, to see that 74 from Dan. Okay, well, would you care to go next, Will, or do you want me to follow suit? Normally I go first, but we're all out of order here. [00:29:41] Speaker A: Oh, we're all out of sync. I can go next. [00:29:43] Speaker B: I don't mind. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. [00:29:46] Speaker A: I think I've gushed about this movie quite a bit. I Think, you know, it's just. To me, it's one of the better picture movies I've ever. I've seen. There's a lot of good Pixar movies. When this came out, I think it went in a very different direction than a lot of past Pixar movies and Pixar movies after that. And I think that was a good thing. I think it stands out in a good way. I think it's one of the better superhero movies I've seen because it's such a well developed story and well developed characters. The only other movie that kind of comes to this level to me is into the Spider Verse, which again was just so phenomenally written. But we'll get there on a different review, I'm sure if that third movie ever drops, which may never happen, let's be honest. Just the weaving of the superhero powers in with the family dynamics and why. What. Why the powers are informed by the characters. I just met that with such great layered depth for the characters. It really brought them to life and you really get invested into their stories. I think it was great world building, great action, great music. Maybe a little over the top for some and that's okay. But I was right there. I love the old school espionage vibe of this movie. I got very little say about this movie in the negatives. Yeah, the CGI could be better, but I mean it was 2004 or whatever. Like we've advanced and that's. That's okay. I just like the style they've chose for the movie and I think it holds up just fine. Yeah, my biggest negative about this movie is I've seen it way too many times that I just don't have an interest in really watching it all that often. Again, I give this a movie 92 out of 100. Drastic change from some others. [00:31:38] Speaker B: So what is there to say about Incredibles that hasn't been said. I'd like to double down on the sound. It wasn't for me. Not that it was bad, it just was a little bit too intense. It was a little James Bond in my face. So I didn't enjoy the sound as much as I liked the choice of that. I just wanted something a little bit more. Maybe a better producer of the sound. I don't know what the, the person, the. The scoring, whoever does the scoring, maybe. Maybe they could have paid somebody a little better to put some subtlety or pizzazz or something into it. It just felt like every other one. And I think that's what they were going for. Just wasn't for me, as for everything else, this movie, through my score sheet over here, this movie got some of the highest marks in all of my categories. The, the voice, acting, the plot, the dialogue, direction, all just 90s or above. Honestly, I thought the dialogue. I gave it 100. I gave it a perfect 100 score for dialogue in this film. What they said, when they said it, when they went back to it was fantastic. I. I really enjoyed listening into these conversations and what these characters had to say because everything was important and meant something, even when you didn't think it meant something. And it did. So really liked that the part for me was probably. I've just seen it so many times, probably sub 50 times I've seen this film and I'm just. I'm kind of sick of seeing it is the only thing. So that brought down my fun factor. But I do remember the first time seeing this going, wow, what a great film. This is going to be great when I have kids and want to show them or whatever. I don't think I really thought that. I wasn't really thinking about having kids. But you get the point. It's a good movie. I gave this A. An 89 is my score for this. Yeah, just a lot of fun. I. I guess the effects was one thing that kind of brought the score down. It didn't look as beautiful as it could have. I'm not sure if that in the day that was the best that they could do. It was definitely good. It was definitely good enough because the point wasn't to be flashy or show off or distract. In fact, it was to be a simple, clear, colorful show. And that was fine. But since then, I've seen so much amazing artwork that can be done in cinema that this really did kind of pale in comparison. Didn't bother me by any means, but it was probably one of the weaker features of the film. But 89 for this absolute must see for anybody. If you have kids, you should definitely show your kids. I think that's where it goes. So now with our scores of 74, 92 and 89 combined, we're gonna put that on the scoreboard of movies, which Dan did not provide for me. But that's okay, folks, because I was able to make up my own scoreboard. And our combined score of the Incredibles franchise so far is a whopping. Unfortunately, Dan brought it down 85 points, which puts it above most movies and Clerks, but below other movies and definitely not the best movie. But that's where it lands on our scoreboard for today. Folks, so there comes in at an 85, and hopefully when Dan gets back, he can join us for the sequel and drop that onto the actual scoreboard and show everybody, because we do have actual scoreboards. Dan puts a lot of work into this show behind the scenes. An incredible amount of work, in fact. And so I. I can't wait to showcase the Incredibles on that scoreboard and see where it genuinely does land with other movies. But we just don't have that available today, so tune in next week for that one. [00:35:45] Speaker C: Hey, everybody, Future Dan here just wanted to show you what the board actually looks like. Right at the moment we have Incredibles coming in with a score of 74, 89 and 92, for a grand total of 85, which puts it in second place just behind Kill Bill at 86. There's of course, a second Incredibles movie that we'll get to and that will change the score, whether for the positive or the negative, we'll have to find out. But just so you know, this is what the actual board looks like. And it's also worth pointing out, this also means that it gets added to our top 10 list. Now, obviously you don't see it here. It is a three way tie for ninth place between Alien, American History X and Incredibles at 85. And just because of alphabetical, it doesn't make the list, but it is there. Like it is technically tied in ninth place on our top 10, which is pretty awesome. [00:36:29] Speaker B: All right, what else do we got to do to close this thing out, huh? [00:36:32] Speaker A: I think you just have to do, like, the clothes. [00:36:35] Speaker B: I do. No, I tried to do it last time. I want to see you try to do it this time. Dan made me do it once. I failed hard at it. [00:36:46] Speaker A: You want to say you want to see failure in the utmost degree? [00:36:49] Speaker B: Yes. I mean, Dan can always edit himself in and close it out for us later if he really wants to. [00:36:54] Speaker A: And we hate your ratings, but we love everything else you do. Please save us. With that said, thank you for watching this episode of our rating. If you liked what you saw, please like and subscribe. It'll get you to the next one we do later down the line. And what's your rating? If you liked our rating, give us your rating in the comments. This is our rating. Rating, Rating, rating. [00:37:22] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:37:23] Speaker C: It's like they never listen to me at all. We've been doing this for two years and they have no idea what the outro sounds like.