Ep 109 - Evil Dead Burn (2026)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: The heat is on when an abusive husband reaches out beyond the grave to stick it to his wife one last time. Burn, baby, burn Evil dead inferno Burn, baby, burn. [00:00:19] Speaker B: Completely overrated. [00:00:21] Speaker C: Hello, everybody, and welcome back to our rating the show. I get together with two of my friends, we take a movie franchise, break it down by film, get it overall score, and then throw it back up on the board, see where it lands compared to the other movie franchises. This week we are talking about 2026's evil dead burn. And I'm joined as always, by Brian and Will. Will, how you doing this week? [00:00:40] Speaker A: You know, this week's had some ups and downs, Dan, if I'm being quite honest. Today I smashed the top of my glass stove top. So that's not great. And apparently it's out of manufacturing, so I can't replace it. I just got to get a whole new stove. But on the ups, you know, my kid's really excited for Halloween. He had his Halloween party at school today, the Halloween dance. So we had a good time at that nonetheless. [00:01:07] Speaker C: Very nice. How did you smash your glass top? [00:01:10] Speaker A: I just dropped a. A bowl on. I was make pancakes for supper tonight. We were having. We're gonna have pancakes for supper. I was moving the mixing bowl from one side to the other and. And it slipped out of my hands and that was it. It was over. [00:01:25] Speaker C: That's a shame. Brian, how you doing this week? [00:01:28] Speaker B: I'm doing good. At least I can still cook my dinner tonight, so that's kind of nice rubbing it in. I'm jealous, though. He has the opportunity to switch to a gas stove. You know, I want one of those. No, I got into it with some football coaches over the game and, you know, there's me standing surrounded by like six of the biggest, burliest guys on the field and we're trying to work things out. Was an uncomfortable situation, but I stood my ground and made my point. That was. That's been on my mind this week. Otherwise, everything's been going pretty smooth. [00:02:03] Speaker C: Very nice, Very nice. This week I have spent way too much time working on a video game review behind the scenes. I was given a free code from a company, which has happened before, but never for a game that I actually cared about. So this is win that I've been looking forward to for years. Was given an early access code. So I wanted to play the game, finish it, edit it, review it, and get it all done in time for when the embargo released so I could get it out like day one, which I did manage to do, but it took up all of my free time. So watching this movie is pretty much the only thing I did outside of that and like my regular job all week. So. Love that I got it done in time, but feel kind of like a neglecting parent at the moment. So this weekend I'm gonna spend some time with the kids and just kind of hang out with them. So. But yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. You were asking about if anybody had seen, like, Carrie this week before we went live, and I was like, oh, that sounds nice, but no, I've had no time for stuff like that. Yeah, but speaking of. Well, no, never mind. I was gonna say speaking of burning, but Carrie's about. No, she does start fires. Never mind. Oh yeah, the school burns to the [00:03:07] Speaker B: ground and so does most of the [00:03:08] Speaker C: city, picturing the pig blood instead of the fire suit. Speaking of burn, we've got Evil Dead Burn going on this week. Brian, do you want to give people a quick synopsis of what this one's about? [00:03:19] Speaker B: I mean, Will's intro kind of says it all, but yeah, I'll let you know. It's gratuitous violence and blood and gore with some sort of demonic possession deadite ish kind of stuff. Doesn't really matter. Just watch this one for the crazy kill scenes. How they put it all together and just the ridiculousness of it all mates makes for a fun watch. It's just like any of the other Evil Deads. It's got that feel to it. So if you like that kind of gross horror stuff going on, this one has it in spades. [00:03:57] Speaker C: Fair enough. Do you feel like this is a good successor to the other Evil Dead? Like the, the live action remakes that we've been watching recently, not recent, the ones that we've been making recently. [00:04:07] Speaker B: I, I think this is a fantastic addition to the franchise. I'm super happy with it, though. It's far from perfect and we'll get into a lot of its ginormous flaws. I felt that this one had real heart for the content. Real. It was, it was very canonized and it stuck true to everything. It continued some of the story and I, I, I, I definitely think it was a, a faithful addition to this franchise. [00:04:37] Speaker A: Yeah. And so this one is part of the trilogy that's being made. I believe the third one, Evil Dead Wrath, is already wrapped filming and is going to be released next year sometime. So. Looking forward to that, right, Dan? [00:04:51] Speaker B: So much. [00:04:55] Speaker A: But what, what these have been are, Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell are just producing or executive producing these films, but they're finding upand cominging directors to write and direct these films and put them out and have them somewhat related to the previous installments, the originals. And then these ones are all kind of more tightly weaved together in the. In the trio. Although I've heard Wrath is going back before the original Evil Dead in timeline, so we'll see how that plays out. [00:05:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:31] Speaker A: So. [00:05:32] Speaker B: And. And from my understanding, Burn had. They developed the family arc first and had ideas of how they were going to interact, and then they introduced the Evil Dead content into it, and they actually had like. Like Remy actually brought in a team of people to bring that aspect of the film in after they came up with the core concept of the family. And I think it. I think it kind of shows. I think it's very seamless in the meshing of those two ideas. And I think that they. The original idea of the family is a real continuation of its predecessor, Rise. Right. It was a. It was a mother and some children. This is a woman and her husband and the in laws. And so it's kind of the other end of that family scheme. But it still. It still works. And then of course, they do all the things that you see in Evil Dead movies. Power tools, killing Deadites and all kinds of stuff. And of course, with Burn in the title, there is lots of burning in the movie. [00:06:33] Speaker A: It's a little bit of fire up in there. [00:06:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, just a little bit. Just a little bit. I think they burn people in like five different ways in this movie. [00:06:40] Speaker C: Now, out of curiosity, the Deadites in this movie feel all powerful to some extent. Is that like. Am I remembering the movies incorrectly? Because I feel like historically they were kind of like silly zombies, and in this one, they're like zombie witches. Does that? [00:06:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I think the. The good and bad about the Deadites is that they are super powerful and can kind of do whatever they want. It's just what they choose to do because they tend to want to play with their victims a lot. And I felt like they did that the least in this movie, where more often they're like trying to trick you or like pull one over your eyes or play tricks on you in some way, in usually a humorous way. This one felt like the action movie of Evil Dead Deadites where these things were just ripping around, trying to rip your spine out. Like, although they just, again, they still played with them. They didn't kill anybody right away. They just tossed them around rooms endlessly. But, yeah, I don't know, they felt different to me as well. But we do see a lot of powers that they use in this one. Including lighting things on fire. [00:07:53] Speaker C: Yeah, well, at the very beginning, she's like raising acid out of the water or boiling the water or whatever. [00:07:58] Speaker A: Boiling. Boiling the water. [00:07:59] Speaker C: It had a weird yellow tinge to it. But okay, sure, boiling the water, setting the guy on fire in his car, doing just all kinds of things that I don't remember us. [00:08:09] Speaker B: Like. [00:08:10] Speaker C: I've seen these movies the least. Right. Straight up, this is not my franchise. I've made that very clear. We joked about it. I just don't remember them doing things like that in the past. Like in the first one, doesn't he, like, tie them up and they're like, sitting on the couch. Maybe that's them messing with him, letting him tie them up. But, like, he seems like he's in control of them. And this one, it seems like they are completely uncontrollable. [00:08:31] Speaker A: Right. I. I do believe that, like most demons, their way powerful physically. And then this one magically. I do believe they are more magically portrayed in this one. I don't know. Magic is, I guess, a weird word to use. But yes, the. The powers do seem hyped up in this one as. As far as. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, right off the bat, the I. And I, correct me if I'm wrong, but the lady in the lake in the opening sequence of this with the two guys in the boat, I think she's the same deadite from the end of Rise or the. Whatever. The one. [00:09:07] Speaker A: Jessica. [00:09:08] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And she immediately is like. Has flying fish hooks going through the air on lines and pulling people around and stuff. And you're right, her head speaks some words and catches the car on fire. And there's a sequence where they crawl up a wall and carry somebody around, which was one of my favorite sequences, by the way. And so. Oh, there was. There's. So we'll get into the sequences because there's so many good ones. But, yeah, they did have a bit more of a magical feel to them that they haven't really had before. But in ris, we saw them taking multiple shots with shotguns and still getting up and moving. They were super strong, breaking through walls, lifting people, throwing them around a bit. But they did turn up that a little bit. And when you say Will, that they like to play with their toys a bit. We had a different angle on them kind of playing with them, although it was a more rough play. There's a very long sequence when Alice, it's. I can't pronounce her name right. I told myself I was gonna get it right, but I don't know. I'm probably butchering Alice. Alice is crawling on the ground, trying to hide from the chaos that's going in the house. It's a very long scene. It took him 13 tries to get this right. And it's an incredible scene because there's just constant chaos of the Deadites, throwing the other people, the other members around, pushing their heads through the walls, all kinds of chaos. But it's a really long scene, really amazing scene. And that was kind of fun to see somebody else trying to hide from it as this chaos is going on in the background and all around them. I. I thought it was an interesting take myself. [00:10:48] Speaker C: Yeah, no, that was an incredible scene. And one thing in this movie that I will praise pretty pretty heavily is the cinematography, is the practical effects, is the makeup art department like the movie, as much as I don't love the franchise, Looked incredible and had some incredible shots and whatnot. Like you mentioned, when she, like, grabs the person, like, crawls up the wall and the camera's, like, shifting around as they're doing it. Like, it looks so good, despite looking horrendous. [00:11:18] Speaker B: A little note, that was not actually filmed in a rotating room. They used four ropes with 12 people pulling that person around the room. And the stunt doubles took lots of bruises making it. Um, it was a very long and challenging scene again, and because I was wondering, how do you film that? How do you make a person look like gravity is affecting them, but the person they're trying to choke out and dangling beneath them is still being affected by gravity? It was like I wanted to stand up and applaud right after I saw that scene. I was like, that's just amazing. It was so well shot. [00:11:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I won't disagree with any of that. I thought a lot of the cinematography was great, a lot of the action sequences, practical effects, as you mentioned, it's. It's the beauty of the low budget. You know, you need to make it work in creative ways. And. And when you can't afford a fully rotating room, you find a way to spin that camera and it. And it turned out beautifully. Right. Albeit the save the end of the movie when I didn't think it looked very good at all. But we'll get to that a little later, I'm sure. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Just. Just curious. So before we jump into some of the horribleness of this film, and not just the horrible grossness, but what did you guys think of the Transition from when the Deadite is walking out into the street and gets hit by the car, and they transition to the nightclub. [00:12:53] Speaker A: I felt like this movie, more than a lot of the Evil Dead franchise, was missing a lot of the comedic moments. Yeah, that. That was one that was a very comedic moment. That transition right into the. The dancing club was quite hilarious, quite abrupt. [00:13:11] Speaker B: Yes. [00:13:13] Speaker A: Yeah, No, I didn't mind that. I kind of wish there was more of those in there. The kind of grandma old lady character had a bit of humor here and there, but. [00:13:22] Speaker B: Oh, I thought she was. She was fantastic. Yeah, they could have given me a little bit more of that. In fact, I wouldn't have minded at all. [00:13:30] Speaker A: Yeah. My only problem with that was, like, most of her humor came from, you know, her having dementia, which I'm like, that's kind of weird to be laughing at, but okay. [00:13:38] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. [00:13:40] Speaker A: There could have been, like, other fun bits, like her going up, like, the stairlift was, like, really slow. Was kind of funny. [00:13:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:45] Speaker A: And we're going down the stairlift. [00:13:47] Speaker C: Yeah, it was kind of funny. [00:13:50] Speaker A: Inserted a little more of that in the. In the movie overall, the. [00:13:53] Speaker B: The long pace as she's going up the chair and there's all that chaos in the house, and she shouts down, I told you she was coming for my money, or whatever it was. Yeah, there was a lot of fun ones. And the way the Deadites interacted with her being, you know, delusional was. Was kind of interesting too. So, yeah, I had a lot of fun with the grandma character. Could have done with a little bit more humor, honestly, because I think the bits that they put in here were really good. And it could have afforded some more because we had some of the most disgusting scenes ever. Dan, what was your worst disgusting scene? [00:14:31] Speaker C: I'm gonna say the fish hooks is probably the one that got me the most. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:14:35] Speaker C: Maybe because. Maybe it was because you're right at the beginning. So I wasn't, like, desensitized, I guess, yet. [00:14:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:41] Speaker C: Or maybe because that feels more real. You know what I mean? Like, you go fishing with your kids or something, there's always that fear of, like, it could happen at any second. Like, so if something went wrong, if somebody's not paying attention for just a split second, somebody could get something like that. So, like, that was pretty gross after that. I, I. Maybe I desensitized. Maybe seen too many movies like this. It just kind of all blended together and was like, all right. It's just. [00:15:08] Speaker B: Okay, well. [00:15:09] Speaker C: Oh, the making. It was gross. The making. [00:15:11] Speaker B: It Was gross that I think we should get the. The kiss of the year. This should definitely be nominated for best Kiss in the next awards. I would love to see that get a nomination. Just the extended zoom in constant. And it just keeps zooming in and keeps going like, you know, they're messing with you as an audience member. That's what that was about. And then for her to stand back and go, you haven't kissed me like that in years. Just absolutely nailed the door shut on that one for me. [00:15:44] Speaker C: I loved it. [00:15:45] Speaker A: Yeah. So Sebastian Vanik, or Vanisic, the French director who, who did this one, when they hired him, he's like, he didn't want to go over the top with blood. Like they did kind of in Evil Dead 2013, things like that. He's like, whenever you see all that blood, you know it's fake, you know, because there isn't that much blood in bodies and all that. So he wanted to make it. Here's the quote here. When I see it in movies, I'm not disgusted. It doesn't deter me too much because I know how much is fake. But when I see teeth on the sidewalk, like American History X, that's the moment I can't watch the screen anymore. And so I feel like we got that a lot more in this movie than most. And, like, my most squirmish scene was the pen in the ear of Alice. And then she, like, goes to pull it out and it only half, Half of it comes out. She still has to go back in. And it was just like the sound, the, the. The acting, the. Oh, it all just went. Man, I can feel that thing in my ear. That was. That was a rough one. [00:16:48] Speaker B: Yeah, they did a good job with the audio on that one. Also, you mentioned the lack of blood when in the bathroom scene when they're going up the walls, she grabs the razor and is scraping the deadite's face with the razor. And there's. I. I noticed this, that there was a bit of a lack of blood, but you didn't need it because you know what it feels like to get cut by a razor blade. And so it was. It was a shock piece there, but for me, it had to be the abusive husband burning up in the car. He did such an excellent job screaming hysterically as he burned alive, that I was like, oof. That's hard to watch. [00:17:25] Speaker A: Right? But it was kind of easy because he was a douche. [00:17:29] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I mean, they made him. [00:17:31] Speaker C: They made him cast was. Let's be honest, there is not a Single, likable person from credit to credit. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:17:40] Speaker C: There was maybe the fishermen at the very beginning, because we know nothing about them. But, like, everything after them, I was like, I hate all of you and I want you to die. I don't want a single person's movie to survive or make a sequel. [00:17:51] Speaker B: Yeah, Joseph was an absolute coward. Running away, leaving his wife to die. [00:17:56] Speaker C: His wife wrote him off so hard. [00:17:58] Speaker B: His wife was probably the most interesting character because her character arc doesn't come to fruition until she becomes a Deadite and comes back to harass her husband for being a coward. And I thought that was kind of an interesting way to make her little character arc go its course. Meanwhile, he's. He's a coward. She even says the line, you couldn't shoot your dad, but you could stab. You know, you could kill me. And. And then later he tries to get his courage, but never really. You do hate him throughout the whole movie. Like, he's unlik. But I. I thought it was just interesting how they had some of these character arcs complete themselves. Whether they became a Deadite or they got killed by a Deadite, you know, it was. It was really cool, I thought. [00:18:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I think part of the problem is that the family in this movie, all the characters really are just so down and out from, like, so much family trauma. It's just, like, hard to. One, they're not likable because they're, like, thick in these depressive states. And then two, they become Deadites. And that's actually when they're more likable because then there's at least a reason why they're acting as horrible as they are. But, yeah, I kind of thought that what's his name, Joseph's girlfriend, was kind of the most, like, normal of them all. She's trying to, like, keep the peace amongst them. But it. It kind of made it a hard first half of this movie because it was just, like, so dark in, like, a realistic way, but overly, like, dark. Like, the dad was, like, so crazy before he even went demonic that I was just like, yeah, is happening in this movie. And then I guess the only character that I kind of enjoyed of it was the mom who, like, you could see her kind of struggle. Like, she knew what she had to do everything for family. And I could feel like people who've been in that, those situations. And it's not like she was, like, acting out. She was more internalizing more than anything. [00:20:08] Speaker D: Right. [00:20:09] Speaker A: And. And so that one came across a little bit more realistic. [00:20:11] Speaker B: The family being her validation yeah, yeah. [00:20:14] Speaker C: And. [00:20:14] Speaker A: And even to the point of like, yeah, I know my husband's abusive. I know my son was abusive, but they are my family. They're the only thing I live for. So I have to, you know, defend them with everything. And so it's like, very hard to watch her character. I think it was the best fleshed out character in the whole movie. [00:20:35] Speaker B: Although most of them weren't fleshed out. Most of them were just these horrible dialog drops of information. The entire dance club scene, aside from the transition to it, the entire dance club scene could just be cut. Just cut the whole thing. We'll figure it out later. [00:20:51] Speaker A: So badly written, too. It was just terrible, brutal. [00:20:54] Speaker C: I find when I was watching this movie, we just saw Sinister 2 and we were talking about the dad in that movie and how he was just this one note character that you're clearly supposed to hate so that when he dies, you cheer. And I feel like they took that to the extreme. That was the entire cast for this movie. Like, every single person is one note. Every single person is unlikable. You don't want any of them to survive so that when they die, you go, yeah, they killed that person finally. And I just. Maybe that's why I wasn't cringing during this movie because I just didn't give a. A about any of these characters. Like, I could not have cared less about any of these people from beginning to end. And so going back, even though I didn't love the remake or Rise, Rise, Rise, those at least had characters in them. Like you are connected to them in some. Like. Like the remake actually had quite a bit of character work going with the. Not possession. [00:21:48] Speaker B: The drug addiction. [00:21:49] Speaker C: The drug addiction. Thank you. And like, how that kind of worked into the story. Like, there were. There was some stuff going on there that, like, oh, you're actually engaging with these characters so once they start dying off, you feel bad for them. This movie was lacking that in any capacity. So as they start dying, you're just kind of like, yeah, okay. [00:22:06] Speaker B: And one thing that. [00:22:07] Speaker C: And like, with the one exception of, like, the one that got me angry was when the husband crawls away and leaves his wife to die. That's when I was just like, I'm done with this movie, the dog and him, where I'm just like, flip my table. [00:22:20] Speaker A: Moving on. [00:22:21] Speaker C: I don't want anything to do with this. This is one of those movies where I kind of hate being a reviewer because I would have turned this off. I probably wouldn't turn it on in the first place. But I would have turned this off a couple of times during it. So it's just like, I just don't care about any of them. [00:22:37] Speaker B: Evil Dead, the remake, had something going for it with her drug addiction and trying to be recovered and go cold turkey there in the cabin. It gave them an excuse to ignore the weird stuff for a time. This movie doesn't have anything like that. And the father at the table stabbing the dog and doing weird stuff like he was so obviously screwed up in some way and no one's saying anything. And there was no reason for them to allow that to go on as long as it did. Everyone was just acting oblivious to it. And I'm like, this guy's drooling on himself like he's spitting mashed potatoes on himself now. This is like, when are we gonna call this? And they. They waited for him to actually kill the dog at the table before anybody's like, oh, something's wrong. Well, then they don't give him to [00:23:29] Speaker A: the hospital and he kills the other woman. [00:23:31] Speaker C: Yeah, he was also an. Long before he was infected. Like, they've been dealing with this guy for decades, probably. So. Yeah, okay. [00:23:40] Speaker A: I think that's part of the problem though, right? It's like they went so hard on this family trauma, this abusive relationships, and. And they went so deep into that without actually going deep into it, just making all these characters affected by it into like extreme duress that because they didn't actually, like, flesh it out or talk about it more or like, give us something, it just goes so fast into Deadite craziness that it's just like it feels unfinished or out of place, out of joint somehow. And you're right, Dan. It makes the. The Deadites feel like, oh, they're not so bad because this family was like horrible to each other anyway. So it's like, what. What is. What is the message that we're trying to get here? Whereas the other Evil Deads, to me, I found, okay, yes, there's the message. But it was at least weaved into the story a little bit better. This one just felt so disconnected that it really felt like two half made movies jammed together. It just didn't have the cohesion it needed throughout. [00:24:53] Speaker C: Now, I will say we watched this during the Watch party. Brian. You started up and then you had to leave. You had stuff going on. So it was me and a couple of others, but Bubba Hotep was there the entire time. And Bubba Hotep was an absolute saint for sticking around because he loves his franchise. He likes this movie. And the rest of us were ripping on it the entire time. We had. We had a pretty good time just being like, what the hell is actually happening right now? And to his credit, Bubba stuck around and was answering all of our questions and making it make some semblance of sense. So I want to thank. Thank him very much for doing that. But one of the things he was saying is, like, you've got the first Deadite in the water. That is the continuation of the last movie, obviously. And she has defined herself towards this family. Why is she finding herself towards this family? Because the Deadites are looking for this knife. That is a way to actually kill Deadites. Yes, you can destroy the bodies, but this is a way to actually render the bodies useless to them. Or maybe kill the Deadite from ever coming back. I'm not 100 sure, but either way, this knife is very important to them. And it's one of those things where, like, we learn about that through the comic books. We learn about that through Ash versus the Evil Dead, the television show. The house that they're in is from. Correct me if I'm wrong, Bubba. Ash versus the Evil Dead or one of the television show adaptions. He said it in chat before already, and I've already forgotten it. So if you know all of the lore, you're going to get a lot more out of this movie than somebody walking on the street. But even me, who's seen all of the movies, albeit just once, most this movie just feels random. Like, yes, you can connect the dot between the lady and the lake in the first movie or the second movie and the lady in the lake in this one. But after that, like, they don't explain the knife for like 45 minutes or something. You don't explain what the Dennets are after. Like, it just kind of, look, there's a lady in the water. And now here's a bunch of horrible people. And now we're killing the horrible people. And eventually you get to the plot. But it took a really long time to get there for. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I didn't have any problem following, like, oh, they want the knife, because then no one can stop them. This circle of men who have, like, defeated them before, they're getting their revenge on this family who is descendant of these people. That was all very clear and actually was the only real interesting part of this movie to me. There just wasn't enough of it. And on top of that, the dead eyes are like, we know it's here. Why are they messing about? Just kill everybody and. And Take the knife. Like, it wasn't that hard to find. It just, like, seemed like they sprawled it out for no reason. Because it. It's clear the Deadites in this movie are like, they are on the mission to find this knife, to end this family, but they don't act like that in their actions whatsoever. They're just, like, tossing people around, not actually killing anybody, not possessing the people who have the knowledge of where the items could be. It's just like, so. [00:27:56] Speaker C: So that is something. I asked Bubba, and he was saying nobody knows where the knife is. Like, if they. Because, like, if they knew where the knife was, sure, then he could possess them, gain their knowledge, and then know where it is. [00:28:07] Speaker A: But Joseph. [00:28:08] Speaker C: But they don't. But then again, if they don't know where it is, then why is he asking them where it is? [00:28:12] Speaker A: No, I know. But, like, Joseph knows. He didn't throw the stuff out. He knows there's got to be a bag of knives out there. Like, he knows their stuff. He might not know exactly the knife they're talking about, but it's not like they can't narrow it down. They know it's in the house. They know it. [00:28:28] Speaker B: So just when they finally did. When they finally did possess Joseph, he did climb directly to the room through the floorboards, but he was following her. But I think he did know it was up there. And I. I agree. I think they formulated this plot of abuse in a family that they never really addressed because Alice never comes full circle except she ends up standing up for herself at the end and she delivers a couple of lines like your. Your son's an asshole or something. I don't know. She has her little moment when she cuts up somebody, and that was kind of it. She didn't really change much over this film. And so this whole abused spouse overcoming her evil husband and her evil in laws, it wasn't really a thing in this movie. It was just we followed her to get to this so we could watch these cool scenes happen. And that's a bummer because they had the opportunity to create good story arcs, good storylines there, but they really didn't. It was more just these individual pieces that they threw out for you, explained everything right off the bat so that you knew exactly what you were getting. And then maybe they would kind of develop an arc, usually after they died and became a Deadite. And even then, it was just how they acted and how they treated the other people. It was more like you became a Deadite and you got to get your revenge on this Horrible family is kind of what it felt like. [00:30:04] Speaker C: Look, we've. We've just done this. This before. Like, you can go down a rabbit hole of like, what the plan should have been and would have made more sense. Like, you. Okay, if you know that this knife is in house and you know that that knife is the only thing that can kill you, but you also know that you haven't had that knife be used against you in a hundred years and that nobody seems to know what that is. Leave the house alone. Yeah, like, either bring the house down and walk away or just walk away. Like, if you can infect people, just go to the closest city you can find, kill everybody you can. And even if you die, you just made a hundred more Deadites. Those can go and make 100 more deadites each. Like, it's such a weird plan to be like, oh, we're going to focus on this knife for no reason. Because it's not affecting anything. [00:30:42] Speaker A: The only counterpoint to that is they know their descendants of one of the guys that was the men. Wise men circle guys. So they wanted to do revenge. They want revenge on these guys, Right? [00:30:54] Speaker B: Sure. [00:30:55] Speaker C: I'm going to come at you with a city full of zombies instead of one. [00:30:57] Speaker A: Oh, 100%. 100% like that. That's the reason they had to, like, at least torture these people. Because they're Deadites. That's what they like to do. But you're not wrong. Like, they could have gone about it a hundred different ways that wasn't this way to be efficient. And then there's Will, who just Moses in at the end of the movie. And Dan had a problem with Sinister a few weeks back because it just kind of ends right, kind of when everything's laid out. This movie was the opposite. I felt Alice burnt that house down, did a good job. That movie should have ended. Instead, we got 15 more minutes of her getting chased down by the Ember man. And it was just horrible. I was like, what is this movie doing? You could have ended and. And saved us a whole lot of wasted time. [00:31:46] Speaker B: And how did he even get from the morgue where they were gonna burn him up? Another great scene. That guy who's gonna push him in the box, dancing the music and everything. That was hilarious to me. But how did he get from the morgue to this house that's now on fire? [00:31:59] Speaker A: He hopped on one leg because it took him forever. [00:32:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I. I agree. After the house burns down. End story there. You didn't need. You didn't need the special effects. Bonanza that I hate that Hollywood always wants to do for the finales. I don't, I don't like it. We used as much practical effects in this film as possible. They reduced the amount of blood for an Evil Dead movie, which is absurd to me, but it worked in this one. And then they also used real flames whenever possible, which I very much appreciate. And I think they put a lot of effort into the practical. The visual style, the cinematography, even the sound was top notch for this film. And then to go to a CGI bonanza for the finish that just didn't even need to happen. I didn't like it. [00:32:50] Speaker C: No, I'll agree. I. I was not a fan of that either. Bubba, Hotel's asking, did we watch the end credit scene? There's one at the very end that I didn't watch, but I did read about. But there's one mid scene as well and I don't remember what that was. Do you remember? [00:33:03] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a mid cut scene with old grandma crawling away, right? [00:33:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Cut off her leg to free herself. She got out of the house before it burned up, she crawling along the road. And some kind passerbyer stops in her jeep and says, hey, you need help. And she's like, I could use your legs. And scratches her, obviously bringing about more demon like deadites. And then there is the final scene which is again, I don't really understand either of these scenes. But we're back at the morgue and the morgue ladies, like the hostess is like putting up some ashes on this cupboard and there's a little girl, must be her daughter or something. She's like, what, what, what are all these here for? And she's like, some people don't pick up the ashes. And so I like to keep them here because I feel bad for a couple of months just in case somebody comes by. Oh, somebody's at the door. Don't touch anything. And the little girl looks at some of the names and one of them is Ellie from the second movie. The. The really good deadite the moment and then she looks in the mirror, the power goes out and there's Ellie in the mirror. Then Nelly's in real life and Ellie kills this little girl and then she says, mommy's back. And that's the end of the movie. Oh boy. What do y' all think of that? [00:34:16] Speaker C: I think that is the cheapest way to get a fantastic actress back into the film. So she was clearly the best part of, I was gonna say the second movie, but honestly this whole New franchise, this whole new remake thing. I think she might be my favorite part. [00:34:29] Speaker A: Fair. [00:34:29] Speaker C: So I'm. I'm happy to get her back if we're gonna watch another one. But also did not need it or want it. [00:34:35] Speaker A: But the next movie is a prequel. She's not going to be in it, so what's the point? [00:34:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:41] Speaker C: Two movies from now. [00:34:42] Speaker A: Brian, what do you think? Is it just a setup for a. For a spin off? [00:34:47] Speaker B: I was very confused by it. I have no idea where they're going with it, to be honest. I just don't know. I was like, what's this about? Because I had heard about a prequel, not a sequel to this, and I just don't understand. And you already had Grandma spreading it, so what's. I don't know. Just didn't really make sense to me. [00:35:05] Speaker C: Grandma spreading it is definitely something I'm going to clip and use at some point in some way. [00:35:12] Speaker B: Much like I enjoyed the mother in Rise, I enjoy Joseph's fiance, girlfriend, wife's performance in this. I thought she made a really good deadite. This scene where she pushes Joseph onto the. The knives on the dishwasher and climbs on top of him. Apparently that was a much more brutal scene and much more longer and they edited it way down. I would love to see the director's cut of that sequence because I thought she did a stellar job there. And other places, talking to grandma, walking around and just getting her face smashed in was a lot of fun to watch. And having Will Snows rub did it literally was a lot of fun for me to watch. So I really like that character and what happened with that character. [00:35:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm not entirely sure how he got up off of the dishwasher, let alone walked afterwards. He took his sweater off almost right away. And I didn't seem to hurt him at all. He didn't wince or anything. I'm like, I can barely take my sweater off now without knives sticking out of my back. I don't know how you're doing that. Like, no issue whatsoever. But okay, good for you and Dan, you're old, though. [00:36:16] Speaker A: I know, but still young and spry. But no, you're not wrong. They throw people around in this so much. Through walls, against things, stabbing, and they just keep getting up like, you know, they're. They're walking it off. No problem now. I was like, okay, that's a little much, but I guess, yeah. [00:36:31] Speaker B: When they smash Susan's face through the bookcase, I'm like, she just broke like five boards with her face and she's up like 10 minutes later without even a bruise. Look at what's going on here. [00:36:43] Speaker C: Yeah, they take a lot of punishment for sure. [00:36:45] Speaker B: What did you guys think of the suicide by gun times three out in the yard, the father takes the gun. I thought that was such a graphically stunning thing to do. It was shocking, horrifying, and completely unnecessary, but absolutely love that. Dan, what'd you think of such gratuitous violence like that? [00:37:13] Speaker C: I thought it looked incredible. I mean, again, I'm gonna praise the look of this movie quite a bit until the end scene. Why? Like, I get, like, okay, you can always answer with, like, the Deadites are messing with people. So sure that's why they're doing it. But, like, again, don't we see Deadites die from taking enough damage and this guy's just like, willy nilly taking a bunch of headshots that would have killed somebody two movies ago? Yeah, it's just one of those, like, I don't understand the thought process here. Like, if he'd been shot by the younger kid, like. Like when he's got the gun on him in the car and he laughs it off, then you're like, oh, okay, but like, why? What is the point of himself harming other than just to be like, look what I can do it. Just violence for the sake of violence. [00:37:55] Speaker A: Yeah, it's definitely violence for the sake of violence. Totally just psychologically breaking this family, you know, of this father. But the Deadites, when they are extinguished or not, has varied throughout all of the movies. Sometimes you burn them, they're gone. Sometimes you put them into a blender, like, Evil Dead Rise. And then, you know what? Ellie's back in the mirror the next movie, so it's really wishy washy. And I don't know if ever they're like, disposing of the demons or if the demons are just like, yeah, I had my fun, let's just let some other demon have some fun now. It's. I don't know if there's any hard and fast rules when it comes to the Deadites, which I'm okay with because, like, they are this supernatural, like, all powerful type creature. And we do now know that the knife is the one sure thing that will kill them. But I. I do enjoy the Deadites more than say, like, Sinister, where this demon has to have children film him and he has to photobomb in the photos, and then the children actually have to do the killing after the family has moved to a new residence. Like, all of those rules is just ridiculous to me. I'd rather have not unknown rules that Deadites just come and go and you don't know why, because they're just crazed maniacs and want to just destroy everything and everybody's minds all at once. [00:39:26] Speaker C: I will hear you that. Sorry. I will give you that. The. The Sinister was weird. Bubba Hotep is screaming at us in chat. It depends on which book they come from. There are three books of the dead, and then which book is which kind of zombie you get. Sure. But I would love that to be clear in each movie as opposed to. Whatever. Sorry, Brian, what were you gonna say? [00:39:46] Speaker B: I was kind of forgot what I was gonna say, actually. Totally lost my train of thought there. [00:39:51] Speaker C: Totally fair. I do it all the time. [00:39:54] Speaker B: Yeah. You went off on. On the. The different kinds of. Of zombies, and that's interesting. I cannot recall what I was about to say. [00:40:05] Speaker C: You tried so hard to, like, get back to it. [00:40:07] Speaker B: I lost it. It's gone. Yeah. [00:40:10] Speaker A: As far as we know. And again, I. I don't watch these movies a lot. I. I enjoyed the first three quite a bit. Army of Darkness again, still my favorite at this point because it's just the. The perfect blend for me of like, horror camp. Splatstick. It's just hilarious. But, like, as far as we know, there's three books. We know the first Evil Deads were the first book, the Necronomicon. We know Rise had this second book, and that's what these ones are for. I don't even know if we've seen the third book. Was that the Evil Dead 2013? I don't even know at this point. [00:40:43] Speaker C: I think the. The second book was. Or the third. Would it be the one in the. In the. The bank basement in Rise? [00:40:53] Speaker A: Sure. I. I mean, yeah, that's the one that unleashed these. These Deadites to the world. Right. And they're just out there now. Nobody's closing the books on these ones. Right. So they're just running free. That's the thing. Otherwise. Right. Like, this is got to go somewhere. They've set it up not only with this movie itself or with Rise itself, but now with the characters from Rise coming back, just reiterating that these freaking Deadites are running wild right now with nobody to stop them, nobody knowing what the hell's going on. And now we're just gonna go back to the 70s before all this happened. Like, it's so strange to me, the direction of, like, why they're taking it that way when they're setting up the future of the franchise. So I don't know. [00:41:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I would get with those end scenes. I don't understand where they're going with that. If we're. If we're doubling back. I. I love that they are trying to do a little bit of world building in this. I don't know the comic books or novel material. I only know the movies and the TV shows. So the. The hunt for the Kandarian Dagger was very welcomed by me. I like that it gave a little bit of structure. I wish that we would have gotten a more clear picture of what book was related to these Deadites. I do believe they are the same ones from Rise, though they acted a little bit differently. I've also heard that the Deadites are one entity, and that's why, like, the dad was outside and I don't remember what happened inside, but all of a sudden he perks up because he knows what's happening inside the house. And so that was that. Oh, it was. She was talking to Grandma and Grandma was floating in the air. And he perks up and heads over to the window because Grandma's gonna talk her into opening up the window for that awesome kiss scene. So it could be one. Like, there's just a lot going on here, and they don't do a very good job of explaining it, though. I don't need that explanation to enjoy this film because every sequence was so amazing. Even the sequences that didn't have Deadites were so cool. Like, the funeral scene. What you guys think of this funeral scene that kind of introduced this family? It was our first introduction to the family, and the family's horrible, and so is this funeral. I thought it was a really cool way to introduce us to the family and showcase that. I loved the funeral scene. Thought they put a lot into it. Well, [00:43:30] Speaker A: okay, okay, okay. I. I like the funeral scene for the fact that she's like, don't worry. They said they stop at noon when we get started. And then it cuts to the speech. Super funny. Okay, again, we needed more of that in the movie. The problem is, is, like, I don't buy it. I don't buy this abused widow, who knows the family hates her going to this funeral, going to the house afterwards to have a freaking family weekend, like, retreat. I don't buy the character's choices to do any of this. And once you meet the family, you definitely don't believe it because they are insane. So it just. It actually takes away from my, like, investment into the movie. And I don't know. I. I just Feel like better writing could have helped that immensely. Maybe a couple of the characters weren't so pathetic. I don't know. Like, there's got to be some sort of reason that this widow who's been abused and wanted to leave this guy actually tags along for this event. I. I just didn't. I just didn't buy it. [00:44:50] Speaker B: Yeah. So Julia Yakub's performance was a little bit lackluster for me. I didn't like her character. I didn't believe it. The family came off like something out of Texas Chainsaw Massacre. They were just too nuts. They were too crazy, too discombobulated, and it didn't make very much sense. And so I had to let go of that right off the bat. And then Alice's change of character, basically, she picks up the. The saw blade weed eater and becomes a new person. And there. I don't really know. The transition didn't make any sense. I get what they were trying to do, but the timing of it was she's pathetic and weak and crawling around and doing whatever the family does when she should have gotten the hell out of there long before even going to her house. And. And then all of a sudden, she just decides, I'm gonna be a badass and start cutting up some Deadites out of nowhere. And it did. That one really didn't make sense to me. Character development was atrocious in this. Dialogue was atrocious in this. The. The family didn't make sense. The plot had tons of holes. But, damn, this one was fun to watch. [00:46:01] Speaker C: I love that you had fun with this. [00:46:05] Speaker B: Damn, I love that for you. [00:46:09] Speaker C: I don't know what to say. I'm not trying. Like, I don't want to just be super negative. And I was just like, I got. I got so little. Like, it looked real good. [00:46:16] Speaker A: And. [00:46:16] Speaker C: Yeah, because, like, I'm 100 with Will. Like, everything about the, like, before they turn into Deadites. You hate everybody in this film. Everybody feels unlikable. Everybody feels unrealistic. You don't understand any of the choices anybody is making. Like, how does she even fall in love with this douchebag, let alone, like, I don't know what, you guys. We're all married here. If I met my wife and she was amazing and her family was this much of a piece of shit, I would seriously reconsider that marriage. [00:46:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? [00:46:46] Speaker C: Like, and then he's abusive on top of that. So you're just like, what is the draw? I don't. Like, it all felt super. Fake. When they're at the funeral home, it was kind of funny. She's like, oh, they said they'd be closed by noon and they weren't. Haha. But then she's like, oh, do you want to say something? There's no chance a funeral director would put you on the spot like that. If your husband died two days beforehand without checking with you ahead of time, there's no chance that happens. So it's just like event after event after event where I'm like, no, that wouldn't happen. No, that, that's. No, that's ridiculous. No, this is just. There's only so much you can take. Even a movie about zombies where there's only so much you can take that is so unrealistic. [00:47:22] Speaker A: Before. [00:47:22] Speaker C: I'm just like, I don't care. I just don't care. Just kill everybody and move on. You have to talk about. This movie should have ended when the house burned down. This movie should have ended at car crash. Just. She's free. Good. She's just like, no, I don't want to go to the funeral. I'm good. And that's the end of the movie. Like, she just moves on with her life. I. I don't know. I appreciate that you liked this one. I know Bubba Hotel like this one. It's just this was heavily. Not for me. Well, I have a question for you. I mean, segue from my rant. You've said many, many, many times that a movie has to stand on its own to be good. [00:47:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:55] Speaker C: Do you feel like this movie stands on its own at all? [00:47:59] Speaker A: That's a tricky question. That's a tricky question. The story. Okay, if we look at it solely on the story of this traumatized family and this widowed wife going through their story, I believe it does stand on its own. But they've forced in so many other things that makes it not stand on its own. Does that make sense? Like, they touch on this circle of wise men. They touch on this dagger. They jam a lot of Deadites into other Deadites. So they like add all. And then they throw in Ellie from the previous movies. They add in all these things that make it hard to stand on its own. So I see where you're. I see where you're getting. Getting that for sure. And I somewhat agree with you that this movie doesn't stand up on its own as well as it should. And I believe it's mainly because of the port writing. [00:48:59] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I think it was Hillary who was watching this one, and this is her first evil Dead. She's kind of walked in to see like what was going on and it's like right from the very, like, I don't correct me if I'm wrong. Somebody probably will. I don't think they mention the word deadite in the entire movie. But even like the very beginning where the woman's coming out of the the lake and like, sure, you get that there's evil happening right away. It doesn't explain who she is, where she's coming from, why she hates these fishermen, why she's going after. Like there's so many things you're just like, okay, like sure, there's lots of movies where you know you'll catch up on the plot later on. [00:49:36] Speaker A: Yeah, that's classic horror movie start for sure. But you're not wrong. It doesn't really explain where she comes from or where she is if, unless you know the previous movie. [00:49:46] Speaker B: Well, you know, they had to set the hook [00:49:51] Speaker C: terrible. [00:49:56] Speaker A: I would say, I would say overall Evil Dead Rise stands alone better than this movie. 100%. [00:50:05] Speaker B: Okay. I, I, I agree with that. Evil Dead Rise has a much better through plot stands on its own. It's fine. It doesn't need the original Evil Dead remake and it probably lends more to this movie than this movie does, honestly. So I agree with that. [00:50:22] Speaker A: But I think it as this was created as a trilogy. Maybe that's part of the problem. That Middle Child is, is a bridging gap between the two. So maybe it doesn't have its own identity as well. I don't know. [00:50:34] Speaker C: Now, is this a trilogy with the next one that's going to be in 1972? [00:50:39] Speaker A: Well, that's, that's, or is it, is [00:50:41] Speaker C: it this one 1972 and then whatever the one after that is going to be because. [00:50:46] Speaker B: Right, okay. [00:50:49] Speaker C: Like it's, it's an interesting choice to have the fin this, the accumulation of your trilogy be a prequel. [00:50:56] Speaker A: Oh 100 and that's why I think there's not enough of the Circle of Wise Men in either of the first two of the trilogy. I just, there's like touches of it. But again, unless you've already watched the prequels like the originals and maybe the Ash versus Evil Dead, you're left wanting a lot of information before this prequel third installment comes along. [00:51:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:20] Speaker C: Hey guys, Future Dan here. Just really quick. There was a bit of a hiccup with the audio during this portion of the show, but I just wanted to introduce Bubba Hotep coming on. He wanted to give his thoughts on the movie. However, he wasn't able to join us live, so he sent them to me afterwards. And then we'll get on with our review of the show. Cheers. [00:51:36] Speaker D: Evil Dead Burn, number one on streaming this week on two different platforms. Suck them on Goolie. But either which way. I kind of felt like I needed to come on and give my rating and defend it a little bit because of the general consensus of the watch party last night. That's fine. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, even if it's wrong. But it's too grody. It's too icky. That doesn't make any sense. I want to go home. I'm scared. The only one that really liked it was Brian. Unfortunately, he wasn't there to side with me. But, you know, that's why we love Brian, because he makes sense. But either which way, when it comes to horror movies, this film knocked it out of the park completely. I'm not saying It's a 100 movie. There's no way that I would say that. But when it comes to the way that it looked, the way that it made me feel, the originality of the deaths, the way that the characters acted, the way that it sounded, the. It was all absolutely phenomenal. You believe that they were scared. The interaction between them and the way they delivered their lines, it was perfect. It wasn't B rated with a hack actor or anything like that. The special effects were great. The makeup was great. The death scenes were great. The kill scenes were great. The originality. I've never seen anybody get stabbed in the face with a car headrest before, but I would imagine if I did see somebody get stabbed in the face with a headrest, then it would look exactly like it looked when that girl got stabbed in the face with a headrest. It. It just looked realistic for the most part. To me. The. The possessed people looked like they were possessed. They looked like they were Deadites. They held the special superpowers, the magic voodoo that the Deadites did. Sebastian Vaynerchuk for his second outing, absolutely hit it out of the park. Not only did he pay so much homage to Sam Raimi, and his signature looks like the zooming in and panning out and the repetitive close ups just hitting. Not only did he add that in, but he added in so many Easter eggs from all of the other movies, plus television shows, plus comic books, plus video games. And he merged those with. With a very new look and he kept it fresh. That's a feat to be had in itself, especially for the second outing. Think he did a great Job. Now, when it comes to the storyline. The storyline, absolutely paper thin. I know that's where it lost a lot of people. Just very, very thin storyline. And if you don't know the lore of Evil Dead, you wouldn't know why. This demon came out of the lake, hunted down somebody that was driving the car, got into the wreck, possessed the dead body to possess the parents to get the dagger to get. If you don't know the lore, you don't know what's going on. You don't know what's driving these demons or zombies or whatever you want to call them. You can get lost real easy. You can lose interest. So the storyline, major downfall to me, and it's been like that for all of the Evil Dead films. Nothing really explains it. You have to spend dozens of hours watching all of it to actually know what's going on. That's why I scored this low. But when it comes to splat stick comedy, which Evil Dead introduced, when it comes to Evil Dead lore, when it comes to an allaround horror movie of just feeling uncomfortable and feeling grossed out and going and seeing deaths, I think it absolutely hit it out of the park. This was high 70s, low 80s for me. Really is the plot. Who cares about a plot? Who cares about with a horror movie? Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Final destination, Friday the 13th. All of them paper thin Swiss cheese storylines and plots. Nothing very in depth to them at all. And they are considered horror classics and among the best, best. So we have to throw the weight of the plot out the window. This was a fantastic horror movie. I'll see you guys later. [00:55:47] Speaker A: I don't disagree with a lot of what he said. Like and we, I disagree with two [00:55:50] Speaker C: things, but the rest of it I agree with. [00:55:52] Speaker A: I, I said a lot. We, we praised a lot of the same things he did. But I, I can't. It's not that it's a paper thin plot. I'm okay with a very simple plot. The. The writing was bad. The writing was bad and the characters were bad. The actors were great. [00:56:08] Speaker B: Yeah, the actors were good. They. They did a very good job playing these paper thin characters. [00:56:15] Speaker A: But yeah, because. Because the plot was paper thin is not as much as a problem as the writing was just bad. And it didn't, it wasn't a cohesive story because of that. And that's, that's where it falls apart for me. No matter how good everything else was, it can only be so good without having a story that you want to at least see through. [00:56:41] Speaker B: Yep. [00:56:42] Speaker C: So two things. One, I Agree with a lot of what Bubble said and I appreciated that he acknowledged the faults in the film. He was not just purely praising it. I get that this movie is made for Bubba, so I appreciate that he loved it. That's awesome. There's a lot of movies that I will love because they're made for me that he will not. You guys won't. The second one maybe, you know, thin. But also I, I admitted, I admitted I just thought they were parts I liked. Anyways, the deaths in this one made me probably the least squeamish of the. The new movies like remake I feel is the one that I probably got the squeamiest twist. Like there's a lot of things in remake that I was like this one, I was just, I don't know, dead inside the entire movie. So he's like, oh, I'm too squeamy or too scared or whatever. Like I wasn't scared or squeamish. It was just boring to me. But anyways. And even Brian, like you, you recorded theoretically the Watch party. Did you ever go back and check that out? [00:57:40] Speaker B: I haven't had a chance to look at our reaction. [00:57:42] Speaker C: I'm like, oh, I think I was dead faced the entire time. Like I should have done. I should have been acting it up at least for him. [00:57:47] Speaker B: Like I, I read the chat log though and I was like, oh my God, they hate it, they hate it, they hate it. Oh good, Bubba's here. At least Bubba knows what he's talking about. It's okay. [00:57:59] Speaker C: The other thing is the three movies he names is having like no plot. I feel like I can explain the plot, those ones like in one sentence. Whereas this one I'm like, I don't know, people die. [00:58:08] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the thing. I think it's a difference between a paper thin plot, which is okay in a horror movie. [00:58:14] Speaker B: Yes. [00:58:15] Speaker A: And a plot that is just bad and makes no sense. [00:58:18] Speaker B: They were trying to make this a powerful plot point that this family is wounded or hurt or hurting or whatever or has trauma in it. And it didn't play out well. That was the problem. It was. It was almost like they were going for too much plot. Maybe they should have simplified it. Like I said, there were probably three different points of dialogue that they could have completely cut out of the film or better yet replaced with more backstory to the actual Evil Dead stuff in the Deadites would have been better because the entire scene at the. I was almost called a disco party at the, at the dance club was completely unnecessary. It was so on the nose. He's abusive, she's being abused. Here's a couple that doesn't get along. He's a, you know, a goofy guy who has no confidence. It was like, all there in, like, in like 30 seconds. It was so on the nose. And they could have cut the whole dialogue out. And there were two more scenes where they had this lengthy dialogue that they did not need. And they should have just cut that stuff out. Gone with the paper thin plot. [00:59:24] Speaker C: I mean, the dance hall scene. Dance hall scene, whatever. [00:59:27] Speaker A: The club scene, the saw cop, when [00:59:30] Speaker B: they were all like. [00:59:36] Speaker C: Like, it does establish the characters and it does get the douchebag to go die in front of the woman so that they can get possessed. So, like, it. It's not like it doesn't serve a point. It's just. Yeah, it's real on the nose about it. [00:59:50] Speaker B: Wouldn't it have been better if we found out later that he was an abusive husband? I think that would have made his death that much more interesting because you would have cared for the guy until he. Later you found out how horrible he was. Something like that would have been better. [01:00:06] Speaker C: I agree, but I feel like that's literally every character in this movie. Like, if the parents had been overbearingly loving as opposed to trash heaps, then when they start turning sour, that would be something, right? But they just go from deadite to worse. Deadite. You know, like they're. Oh, anyways, I've hammered it enough. If you like what we do and you want to help support us, consider joining our Patreon. There's a link down below. Thank you to our producers as well as our executive producer, Dino. And a huge shout out to our writers, Mrs. Hillary Real Bubba, Hotep and Windstorm114. Next week is our Patreon Pick episode. So come on, hang out with us on Sunday night as we watch 1408 with the patrons. [01:00:49] Speaker B: All right, I'm gonna come in way higher than everybody else on this score because I had so much fun with this movie. I just really enjoyed the way it was shot, the sequences, and nothing in between them. It was a shame that we had such terrible character writing. It was a shame that the plot is so basically unimportant. Right. It wasn't even a good way to get all these people into one room so you could kill them off. But when they did start killing people off, I had a lot of fun. And right from the jump, right as the crazy lady comes out of the water and starts slinging her fish hooks to the guy, in the burning car. It really set the tone for this film. I knew what I was getting into. And I would recommend that if you are even considering this movie, watch it until you see the title screen. And if you aren't enjoying that, then you're not going to enjoy this film. Because that is a taste of what this movie does best, which is its action sequences, its violence, its practical effects, and even a touch of the special effects are blended in and done really well. I gave this movie a 78. It would be a much, much better film if they would have cut out a lot of the dialogue and made more well rounded, believable characters. It was kind of its biggest flaw for me. [01:02:16] Speaker C: Going off something Brian said during his review. I'm gonna say, like, this is the kind of film where I don't enjoy being a reviewer. Even though it's just a channel on YouTube and it's my own channel. I could just stop at any time. I would have turned this off. During the fishhook scene at the very beginning, Brian mentioned, like, if you're not enjoying it by the credits, give up. You're not gonna enjoy it. The, the fishhook scene, killing the dog and the kid running away when his girlfriend was getting killed. Any one of those, I would have happily turned this movie off. I would have missed out on some stuff. The movie looks fantastic. I will praise the cinematography, I will praise the makeup, I will praise the special effects. Except for the burn character at the very end, quite a bit. Those are all very high ratings. But as far as plot, as far, well, no, the acting was actually pretty good. But as far as plot, as far as characters, characters, all that thing, like, it just. It just didn't grab me in any way, shape or form. And so when you're going to make a horror movie that is not scary, that I don't care about the characters, I don't care if anybody lives or dies. It just kind of misses me. It just kind of is stuff happening on screen. It's not engaging with me in any way, shape or form. And that's why I just didn't really connect with this movie. Even though I don't love the Evil Deads, I feel like there's other things in the other movies that I can grab onto. And this one is purely the style of it. This one gets a 48 from me. It looks incredible. And that's all I have to say. [01:03:47] Speaker A: This is an Evil Dead movie. I think at its heart, definitely Deadites are there. They are definitely Deadite esque in their Nature slightly different than we've seen in the past, which is totally, totally okay. Definitely follows a similar format of, you know, a group of people in a abyss away from everything else, just getting the wax beat out of them or she drinks the wax, I guess. Anyway, it's definitely an Evil Dead movie. Is it the best Evil Dead movie? I don't think so. The, the director is incredible at filming these very interesting scenes to watch, no matter how grotesque they are. The camera work in this film is just top notch and probably the best part of this movie, you know, it's got creative deaths and if that's what you're there for is like some crazy gore kills and, and so forth, this is probably a home run for you if you're in it for anything more. It's kind of fallen short in a lot of aspects. I think the biggest flaw for me in this movie is they tried to tackle this kind of generational trauma, this family, this. That's in, in a, in a bad spot. And, and they, they took it too far without actually going deep enough into it. And if I can only compare it to a, a movie that I thought did it really well and that was Babadook, that took on postpartum and that movie does it right. So just to contrast, go see that movie if, if you don't know what I'm talking about here, that doesn't line up in this movie. That all being said, there is a lot of good to this movie as far as effects, the practicalities. What Evil Dead has been known for and continues to put out I think is of a pretty good quality. I just feel like the script on this one was just rough and so I'm gonna give it a 60 out of 100. Overall. I still think it's better than a lot of modern horror movies, but it just doesn't stand up to other Evil Dead movies for me. [01:06:03] Speaker C: So this week we're doing something we have never done before on our rating, which is we are actually taking a franchise that's already on the poster and we're breaking it into two separate things. We've got the original 1980s EV dead, and now we've got the Evil Dead remake being its own separate franchise. So I'm curious, where do you guys think that's going to land splitting these up? Do you think the originals are going to be up higher or lower than the remakes? [01:06:31] Speaker A: Oh, I think the remakes are going to be above the originals. Because you hated on them so bad, Dan. [01:06:37] Speaker C: I only hated on one of them. [01:06:39] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [01:06:40] Speaker B: Okay. [01:06:41] Speaker A: Interesting. [01:06:42] Speaker B: I think that. [01:06:43] Speaker A: Hate. [01:06:44] Speaker B: I think the Evil Dead remakes in this. I don't know why we keep calling it a trilogy. We have a trilogy right now, and there's a fourth movie coming out. [01:06:53] Speaker A: It's weird because Evil Dead 2013 is its own thing. It's not really related to any of them, so it's kind of a weird place. But we're lumping it with the new ones because where else do you put it? [01:07:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And so I. I do think that the original. Original with. With Bruce Campbell. I'm hoping those go up without the remakes weighing it down, but who knows? [01:07:20] Speaker A: I mean, I'd hope for that, too, because Bruce is the bomb. [01:07:25] Speaker C: Let me just go back and check and make sure I did that properly. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. And with that, we can see that Evil Dead and the Evil Dead remake split in two separate franchises are pretty much right where they. Right beside each other. [01:07:43] Speaker B: Wow. [01:07:44] Speaker C: 68 and 65, respectively. So the originals are higher, but maybe not as high as you guys were hoping that it would be. I know. [01:07:53] Speaker A: Because of that 51 there. There's no way Conjuring should be above Evil Dead. Conjuring above Evil Dead. That's sacrilege. Sacrilege. [01:08:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I gotta admit, I definitely like the original Evil Dead way more than the Conjuring, especially because of the latter films in that franchise. The Evil Dead remake kind of surprises me how high it got, because if I don't. If I remember right, I gave Evil Dead Rise a pretty tough score. I really didn't like the children in it or the plot line involving, like, none of the children parts of the movie were good for me. And it was basically just the mom carrying that one. So I thought I gave that one a pretty harsh score. [01:08:34] Speaker C: You gave that one a harsh score, but you gave the remake and Burn quite good scores. [01:08:39] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:08:39] Speaker A: Yes, a good score. So that definitely brings you up a bit. [01:08:43] Speaker B: I just had fun with this movie. Multiple times, in fact. I want to watch it. I kind of want to go back to the Evil Dead remake and then watch Rise and then watch Burn again and see if I can catch some of the continuity and some of the stuff that, you know, normal viewers who are not hyper fans of this franchise would totally miss. I want to try and dig out some of that stuff so I may revisit it. [01:09:06] Speaker C: I feel like the remake is the only one of this franchise, this. The sequel franchise that I might revisit. Like, I don't see myself going back to Burn or Rise unless something Drastic happens in the 1972 version. And then one and army of Darkness are silly and fun and I'll put those on with friends, no problem. But two, I'm not a big fan of and this new franchise just not scratching that itch for me. [01:09:32] Speaker B: Yeah, not doing any. You know what? It just occurred to me. In all three of these movies, the Remake and Rise and Burn, there is a big, huge kind of a boss battle at the end of them. Right in the original remake, it starts raining blood. The creature just comes out of the ground and she fights it with a chainsaw after it cuts her hand off and there's blood everywhere. I actually enjoyed that. It wasn't too special effecty. It was just lots and lots of blood, which was fun. In the Rise they have the fight with the monster in the wood chipper, which was really cool and had to be done with special effects because the monster was too big. I wish they could have found a way to do it. Practically more of a thing style monster. But it is what it is. Big showdown. And then in this one they had the special effects bonanza of the burned will coming out and heard dealing with him out there. And I thought it was terrible and completely unnecessary. But at least it showed that they were staying true to what this franchise is doing. And so I would guess that when we see the next edition, there's probably going to be some big showdown at the end. [01:10:39] Speaker C: Well, if I remember correctly, kind of the point of the remake was, you know, dealing with the addiction and kind of fighting your inner demons. And at the very end, it is her, right? She is fighting a different variation of her basically literally fighting her own demons, which is kind of what the whole movie's about. And it's like, oh shit, this movie's got something to say. And then the next two, they're just like. And we'll throw in a big bad for no reason because it's scary. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I don't feel like they [01:11:07] Speaker B: had Rise and Burn had crappy plots. That's, that's the problem. The remake had something good to build off of and they told a really good story with the addiction thing instead of just people going out to get busy at a cabin. So that was definitely a step up over the originals storyline. The originals, they just go out in the woods and shit goes sideways with them and their girlfriends kind of thing, which was fine because again, paper thin plots, we are kind of in agreement aren't such a bad thing in the horror genre as long as you have good character writing. Dan needs somebody he can get attached to so he has a reason to care. Where I'm more interested in is this movie shot well? Do they make good scenes? Because I don't like movies like Saw. I do not like these torture porn films. But for some reason Evil Dead is the outlier. I love watching these movies. To see the way that they kill people, it's just really. I think it's just a great craft that they're putting into these. And I love that Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell are picking new people to bring in each time and give their own little flex on that. I think that's just a beautiful way to do things. [01:12:16] Speaker C: All right, well, that's our rating of Evil Dead Burn. But what's yours? 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