R Rating Ep10 - Evil Dead Remake (2013)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Even though cell phones are in every pocket. David and his friends go for a detox weekend in an abandoned cabin in the woods. Unfortunately, his buddy Eric advertently awakens evil, possessive spirits that gruesomely terrorize and taunt them. David must try to withdraw the demonic force from his sister while being bathed in the blood of his friends in this requel to the evil Evil Dead. [00:00:47] Speaker B: Let's start the show. [00:01:03] Speaker C: Fantastic. [00:01:04] Speaker B: Nice job. [00:01:05] Speaker C: Well done, well done. I love that you're in a cabin and Brian's looking at a cabin. I just have, like, a background. Just books, board games. Hey, some of us just care more, I guess. I don't know you guys. That's. Yeah, I didn't mean me on that one. [00:01:19] Speaker B: I snagged that thing while you guys were fixing cameras and stuff. So I took advantage of some downtime. [00:01:26] Speaker C: All right, so the 2013 Evil Dead remake, this one is not directed by Sam Raimi, but he was, if I remember right, a co writer on it. So he did have a hand in it, as well as being the executive producer along with Bruce Campbell. This was my first time watching this. I watched it with the same buddy that I've watched the rest of the Evil Dead franchise with. It's been a lot of fun getting together with him and doing this. What about you guys? Will, we'll start with you. What is your history with this movie? Have you ever seen it before? Was this your first time viewing? [00:01:52] Speaker A: I did see this movie. I cannot remember if I saw it in theater or when it came to. [00:01:59] Speaker C: I don't know, digital. [00:02:01] Speaker A: Some kind of digital form afterwards. But I have seen this movie prior to re watching it here for this rating series we're doing. [00:02:12] Speaker C: Okay. And what about you, Brian? [00:02:14] Speaker B: I think I watched it on a streaming service or rented it or something. It might have been a red box back in the day, I can't remember. But I did go fetch it because it had the Evil Dead title. I wanted to see if it was any good. [00:02:27] Speaker C: Fair enough. Fair enough. So this one was an interesting one for me because I was watching with a friend, enjoyed hanging out with him, always, always do. He's a much bigger fan of the franchise. This was new for both of us, and it was interesting because this movie, unlike the other three, I guess, kind of like the first one. Like, it leans hard into the gore. And I don't know about you guys, I found this one a little bit hard to watch. Not in a bad way. Like, I wasn't bored at any time, but just, like, there were scenes where I Was like, I'm like, toe cringing. That's not the right word. Toe curling. Toe curlingly cringy. Like the scene. Like, we're gonna get right into spoilers. The scene with her cutting her tongue in two. Like you. Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, my God. I. Are you guys here for the gore? Like, does this do more for you than the. The previous installments did, or was this not something you were excited about? [00:03:22] Speaker A: I feel Alvarez pitched this movie to be the ultimate experience in grueling terror, which is what the first movie was labeled as. And so I feel like he really wanted to bring that back to the forefront and kind of skip the Three Stooges aspects that became the Evil Dead franchise. So I knew that going in that this was going to be the blood gore fest that it is, and it didn't bother me. I feel like it still felt in the same vein as the original, you know, like over the top gore to an unrealistic proportion. But there are those scenes like the tongue splitting and even like the. The chainsaw at the end that are pretty graphic and pretty, Pretty crazy. But I don't feel like it's scary. I feel like it's just like so over the top that you're just like, oh, wow, they. They went there. So for me, it wasn't so bad. [00:04:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I gotta agree. There was only one scene, I think, where I actually, like, jumped. Like, there weren't a lot of jump scares in this movie. It was more just, for lack of a better term, torture. Like, just a lot of really, really graphic scenes and just kind of like, how much blood can we throw at the screen and make this work? We were talking backstage, Brian, and you were kind of mentioning that, like, you had to take this in parts because you were kind of dealing with the gore. Is that accurate? [00:04:44] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I'd seen this before when. When it first came out. I watched it right away because of the title, and I loved it. It was great. I was a younger person then. Now as an adult with kids and having lived enough life, this was on the edge of what I can handle. As far as gore scenes as gore or whatever you guys were coining it. Torture. Yeah, that was. That's pretty apt. There's a lot of. I felt like they were. They were looking at the first movie, which was very gory, and they were playing into that. They also took some stuff kind of From Evil Dead 2, a few of those things, and kind of mixed it in there as, you know, the pain that these people had to endure that the Demon was not only torturing the people it possessed, but the people who were watching the person. You know, there's just lots of physical pain being dealt out towards people. And I felt that was something that had been seen in the first two movies. And I liked it. Spoiler. I really liked this movie. They went in a different direction, heavy on the gore. And no, it wasn't so much scary as hard to watch because of those intense scenes. But I really enjoyed it also. What's the director's name? Alvarez. Alvarez Fetty Alvarez, yes. The director of the new Aliens movie, which is now streaming on Amazon prime, if I'm not mistaken. And I'm gonna be checking that out. I. I liked the way this movie was handled and I'm hoping he did something scary with the. The Aliens franchise. [00:06:23] Speaker C: That's a good point. The Aliens franchise is actually. We're doing next month on, on our rating, so make sure you come back and check that out for this movie. Just out of curiosity, when you were watching this, don't, don't go by interviews or what the director said just while you were watching it. Did you get the impression that this is supposed to be a remake or a. Like a sequel to the original Evil Dead? Because they had a couple of things in there that could have been just Easter eggs or could have been hints that we've already been in this world before. Things like the cabin are obviously there, but the cabin's been like broken into and obviously disturbed. You've got the shotgun down in the basement. You've got his car in the backyard where Mia is sitting. Originally, when you were watching this, did you think like, oh, they're, they're clearly continuing on with the story, or were those just fun Easter eggs for you? [00:07:06] Speaker B: Will, this. Oh, go ahead, Will. [00:07:08] Speaker A: Oh, you got shut down, Brian. [00:07:11] Speaker C: Well, cuz if I don't say somebody's name, then neither of you talk. [00:07:14] Speaker B: Jump in on that one. [00:07:16] Speaker A: Take the reigns, my friend. [00:07:18] Speaker C: No, go. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Go to your. Go to your favorite, favorite headphone buddy. You guys are twinsies. You can do that. It's hard. [00:07:23] Speaker C: You're already full screen. Just do. [00:07:27] Speaker A: So. [00:07:28] Speaker B: For me, it was definitely a remake. They took the story, they remade it the way they wanted to, and they went hard for the gore and the violence of it. Chat made a mention the emotional pain of having to kill off someone so close to you was realistic. In the remake, I felt that too. It was a great way to retell the story, but they were very classy in the way they were like, hey, we're remaking A great story. We're gonna do it in our way, but we also want to show that we loved the original and that's why there are so many illusions to the, to the source material. There are so many homages to it from the, the Raining blood, the, the chainsaw. She know she gets her hand cut off and she stuffs it into the chainsaw and uses it to kill the, the villain at the end and the way that Ash had attached the chainsaw to himself at the end of two. All kinds of stuff. The, the. The evil that got into the one girl's hand. It's a different. It's a different person this time. Right. But the evil got into her hand and it was trying to get at her and she cuts it off. Didn't work out the same as it did for Ash in the, in the sequel. But there's lots of things that really point towards the source material. I really like that. But it's definitely their own version of the story of Evil Dead slash Evil Dead 2. [00:08:55] Speaker C: What do you think, Will, when you were watching it the first time? [00:08:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I flip flop on that question a lot because they do have the 88 Oldsmobile there kind of run down and forgotten. They. But the intro of the movie kind of sets up that this book has been doing this time and time again because they had to sacrifice this father, had to sacrifice his daughter right at the beginning and then they're here again. So it feels like it could be a continuation that every few years this book just somehow draws in these people to give itself a chance to be let loose and cause terror and, and mayhem across the world kind of thing. And then of course, I don't know if you saw at the end, at the end of after the credits, old Ash is there looking at the camera, saying groovy. Which to me makes it the same world or just a really weird put in there for no reason. [00:10:04] Speaker B: So. Yeah. What. What was that? [00:10:06] Speaker A: Really strange. [00:10:06] Speaker C: I, I didn't see it. We turned it off before that. I heard about it after the fact. So I have to go back to YouTube or something and check that. So mad at myself for turning it off before we got to the end of the credits. [00:10:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:17] Speaker B: Listed as Ash in the credits. And I was like, what? And so I, I looked it up and sure enough, there's a little cameo at the end. [00:10:23] Speaker A: It's literally just like this shot of him, like shadowy and he like turns to the camera and it says groovy. And that's it. It's. [00:10:30] Speaker C: It's okay. [00:10:31] Speaker A: Literally Just, yeah, I, I saw things. [00:10:33] Speaker C: After the fact being like, oh, Ash clearly put his. Or, sorry, Bruce Campbell, like, gave his seal of approval because apparently the main. One of the main characters, Mia's brother, whose name I'm blanking on, was supposed to be Ash. And Bruce Campbell's like, no, that's my character. I'm not giving it up. But this was his way of being like, I'm on board with you making this movie. You made a good movie. Congratulations. Like, I'll be a part of it. I'll give my seal of approval, but I'm not willing to, like, give anybody else the character. That is my character. It's ingrained in who I am. I thought that was also reasonable. [00:11:02] Speaker A: There's also a lot of talk on the Internet of like, eventually this was supposed to lead into Ash's storyline and it was supposed to be a sequel and Mia's character was supposed to meet Ash and they were supposed to hook up and go into a new, like, army of Darkness type storyline. [00:11:20] Speaker C: Okay. [00:11:21] Speaker A: But it didn't pan out that way and they ended up making Ash vs the Evil Dead TV series in lieu of that. [00:11:29] Speaker C: Okay. [00:11:29] Speaker A: So, yeah, there's lots of talk of different things that was supposed to happen or could have happened that didn't happen. So it's hard to. Hard to know the facts from the fictions though. [00:11:38] Speaker B: I'm. I'm okay with this ending. You mentioned Mia and David as characters. What did you guys think of their performance as brother sister? This dynamic of her going into the cabin, trying to get clean. Everybody thinks at first she is just freaking out, trying to get home to get a drug fix, and then later, much too late, realizing that she's possessed by a demon or there's demonic stuff going on. What did you guys think of the brother sister combo? And. And they're acting because I have strong feelings about that. [00:12:13] Speaker C: Those two characters, I actually thought they did a pretty okay job. My initial impression when you first meet these characters was not brother and sister. There's some serious chemistry going on between the two of them when they're sitting out by the car, just talking. That was a little bit weird for a brother sister relationship. For me, that's not how I talk to my sister ever, but so be it. Yeah, as far as the actual acting between them goes, I thought it was pretty good. And honestly, you're kind of jumping questions here. But the, the idea of having it not just be a demonic possession, but also a heroine over, not overdose heroin addiction, I thought was absolutely brilliant because it gives You a good reason to not believe this main character because the problem with a lot of horror movies is there's a lot of people going, why would you ever do that? In fact, in this movie you've got. Is it Brian? I don't know his name. The, the blonde haired guy who's reading the Book of the Dead, despite the fact the Book of Dead is straight up telling him like, don't read this, don't say it out loud, don't do anything. And he's taking out his pencil and doing like shock images to crack the code open. I don't know if he's already feeling possessed at that point, but like that's some of that horror movie nonsense. You're just like, what are you doing? You. But the, the aspect with the heroin abuse felt like a really smart idea for a reason for why she would be acting so ridiculous without people jumping instantly to really, really nasty conclusions. It keeps it really grounded, which I really did appreciate. And I, I don't know, I meant to look this up a little bit more. I kind of assumed there would be a bit more of a. A connection between the demonic possession. Like not a connection, a parallel. A parallel between the demonic possession and the heroine abuse addiction. And maybe there is, but I wasn't seeing the direct correlation. At some point they kind of just got rid of the heroin in favor of just gore and torture. But I really like the idea of it for the basis of it and for making it kind of be what it was to start off. What about you, Will? [00:14:11] Speaker B: I agree. [00:14:12] Speaker A: I feel like the way they integrated the drug addiction storyline and going to detox in this cabin, it really like squared away. The reason why they're not on their phones, they don't want to leave. And weird things can start to happen with. Without the characters really being like cluing in as to, oh, this is abnormal. And I really like as well the parallel of like the detox and like going through withdrawals to this demonic possession. I unfortunately just feel like they set that up very nicely and then they just rushed by it and it just became the shit show that it was. And then they kind of bring it back at the end where she is literally fighting her demon self and coming out victorious against addiction. I don't know, it's so loose by the end. It just kind of like unravels a little bit. And I found that unfortunate. [00:15:10] Speaker B: I'm blown away. I just realized that was her demonic self she was fighting at the end. I was like, yeah, who. Who is this thing coming out of the ground that she's fighting, I never really got. I thought that was just the demon or whatever. You just kind of blew my mind with that. You're right. They. They didn't give me enough to. To follow that thread. They kind of let go of it. I absolutely love the heroin addiction. I also thought that she did a fantastic job playing that character and doing the things that she did. However, I hated her brother. [00:15:47] Speaker A: I agree. [00:15:47] Speaker B: I wanted him to be the first one murdered. I. He kept taking me out of the story and I kept going, oh, yeah, I'm watching a movie and this guy's a bad actor. Like, that's just how terrible it was. Her, on the other hand, was just a stellar performance, in my opinion. Their chemistry together, just like you said, Dan, that didn't seem like brother and sister at all. [00:16:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Now, out of curiosity, because I didn't have a problem with, with David as much as you guys did. Shiloh Fernandez, what did you guys think of Elizabeth Blackmore's Natalie character, which is the girlfriend to David? Wait, because that one hurt every time she said, what character? Yeah, that's. Well done. Okay, fair point. Yeah. Every time she opened her mouth, it was like, oh, like, almost to the point where I was like, are the. Is this another throwback to the original? Like, did they purposefully bring in somebody and be like, play this horribly? Like, just don't act at all. Just be like, get your lines wrong. Just to be like, See, we're remembering the 1980. [00:16:44] Speaker B: I don't know when she was walking around with all those nails in her head, but that was about it. [00:16:50] Speaker C: Sure. [00:16:51] Speaker A: But when she's saying words, there's multiple reasons I think for that. One, who brings a girlfriend that nobody's met to your sister's detox party? Like, the writing on that is bad. Okay? Like, that's just straight bad. Bringing your girlfriend that nobody's met to this cabin so that you can help your sister get off the drugs, that's just bad writing. But on top of that, I, I found out after that they actually deleted a lot of her scenes. So any, like, character building and, and dialogue that she had was pretty much just cut from the movie. [00:17:29] Speaker B: They could have used more of that. I did like her scene where the evil got into her hand and she cut it off. It was a gruesome scene. I thought she did pretty good. I, I was into that scene mostly because it was up close shots of this disgusting but very cool looking hand that she cut off with a turkey cutter, sword thing, whatever that thing's called. I forget the electric knife bone. But sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know her bone cut through like butter. That was. Yeah, whatever. But anyway, that was a. That was a cool scene. I like that. But yeah, her character needed so much more development. I would give it a little bit more room because Eric was so clueless as to the severity of the situation that maybe he thought this wasn't going to be as an intense a thing. Also he wasn't very well connected with these people. So I could see him doing a bonehead move like bringing his new girlfriend in. They did have some dialogue that's, you know, was kind of like, you know, who are you? The so and so person. Not really kind of understanding. You know, they, they made note of it but it was, it was pretty weak writing. They could have done a lot better with that and maybe cast somebody better. The, the person for me who stole the show was the long haired hippie dude that read the book. What was his name? David or something? [00:18:48] Speaker A: No, he was Eric Taylor. [00:18:51] Speaker B: He was Eric. Okay. [00:18:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:52] Speaker B: Yeah, he was probably the best, the phenomenal actor in this. I felt his character, I felt his anxiety and frustration with his friend, with his friends, even his weird compels compulsion to read the book and transcribe it and stuff. I, I fell into it. I was like, you know, this is, this is the stupid thing where they run upstairs instead of out the front door. He's doing that. But that's okay. And, and it made the book, it made the movie interesting. Him going after the book like that. But just his character all the way through the story was a very compelling, very believable character. Even though he was doing unbelievable stuff like not dying six times that he should have died, you know. But I just, I thought he did a great job acting in that. [00:19:41] Speaker C: Yeah. I actually really liked his girlfriend Jessica Lucas, who played Olivia. I thought she did a really good job too as the Doctor. I, I enjoyed both of them quite a bit. I also think Jane Levy, Mia, who was the main. I would say the main character did a great job with pretty much everything she had to do. I didn't run into the problems you guys had to with, with David and I couldn't stand Natalie, but I think the other three were all really strong. [00:20:06] Speaker A: I, I'd say David and Natalie were pretty bunk. Natalie not at her, not her fault I think for the most part. But I feel like David just was like so lame. But it, it does kind of mirror Ash at. In Evil Dead, Ash starts out not stand stepping up and doing anything until like he absolutely had to. The problem with this movie is that David had more human allies, friends for longer in the movie than Ash did. You know, Ash was kind of like set out and was against multiple Deadite throughout the movie. Whereas this character had Eric until like right up until the end of the movie. So that I don't know what that did. It felt significantly different than the original movie in that, in that way because. [00:21:01] Speaker C: Of a one person versus the world. [00:21:02] Speaker A: And yeah, you, you can't put yourself in David's shoes. Being alone and, and dealing and suffering psychological and physical damage because he's got people there that he can get help with. It just. It get. It's a different mindset I think as the audience watching it like that. Whereas it. If it's just one person alone facing all of this traumatic events, if it. [00:21:29] Speaker B: Hits differently, I think I, I can agree with that. I also felt that the representation of Ash was carried by several people, moving from one person to one person as it went. Ash had the evil get into his hand and he cut it off at the wrist. That was taken over by the Natalie character whom didn't have a stellar performance nor did she get a stellar role. I, I felt that Mia was obviously the person who defeated the demons in the end in that absolutely epic visual where she, you know, feast on this, you sob or whatever the line was at the end. And that, that silhouette with the rain of blood and her forcing the chainsaw down its throat was so amazing. I felt like that was the. The Ash who had stepped up in the end of Evil Dead 1 and. And was more aggressive in Evil Dead 2. You have her brother who like you said in the beginning was not a. Ash was not a standout character and he was very mundane throughout the entire movie, but then kind of gave up his role to his sister when, when he revitalized her. You also even had. Is it David you said, or Eric, the long haired hippie guy? I keep getting the names. [00:22:47] Speaker A: Eric's the hippie. [00:22:48] Speaker C: Eric is the hippie. [00:22:49] Speaker B: Eric's the hippie. Okay. He even had some of the Ash's role in, in this movie. So I felt like they completely rewrote this with different people in mind. They just wanted to take the aspects of what happened to Ash and distribute it throughout the movie. And it was carried by different people. [00:23:11] Speaker C: Yeah, it kind of felt like there was a checklist of stuff they wanted to make sure was in this movie. And it didn't necessarily all have to happen to the same person. It just had to be in the Movie. We gotta have the chainsaw, we gotta have the car, we gotta have the cutting, the handoff. We gotta have the deadlight locked in the basement. And then, you know, change how you did things. [00:23:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:27] Speaker B: Oh, the necklace, how it it. [00:23:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:29] Speaker B: Chain. Made the shape of a skull on the ground like in the previous movies. That was. That was great. Little. Little touches like that all throughout and. [00:23:35] Speaker A: Looked kind of like the magnifying glass. [00:23:37] Speaker B: Kind of like the magnifying glass. [00:23:39] Speaker A: Just like. I feel like the movie did a lot of great things to pay respects to the original movie and to just. Just. I don't know. It shows how much the source material was beloved by the director and writer of the movie. And to the point where the director was like, I want to use practical effects throughout this entire film, which, trust me, I love, love, love. And it shows. Like, the movie is incredible to watch. Strictly for the practical effects, they did a fantastic job. The only things that weren't practical was, like, some CGI for, like, fire and removing, like, wires for different action sequences that took place in different stunts and things. But aside from that, I thought the practical effects in this movie were spectacular. [00:24:36] Speaker C: Pretty much everything in this movie just looked so incredibly good, gross, and I didn't really want to look at it, but, like, really, really solid visuals in this one. The makeup was absolutely incredible. When she's in the shower and burning herself, I thought the way they had her skin, like, melting off her was so gross, but, like, believable. When you had Olivia cutting her face off, they didn't. Ironically, they didn't go as far as I was hoping they would on that one. I thought it'd be a little bit more. [00:25:03] Speaker B: That one sounded worse. That the sound of it happening was terrifying. When she shows her face, it was almost a letdown because it sounded like it was going to be worse. And then she turns around and she's kind of got the joker smile thing going on. [00:25:16] Speaker C: Yeah. I was expecting to be missing, like, half of her face or something and said she's had, like, a little chunk out of her cheek, which is like, okay, it's still really gross, don't get me wrong. And I liked her character, so I think she was the first one to die was a little like, oh, okay. But I want to say it was Eric that took Rose. So it's like he killed his own girlfriend because it was kind of like him or her. Right. [00:25:35] Speaker A: Like, can I. Yeah. [00:25:36] Speaker B: The needle in the cheek thing was crazy. [00:25:38] Speaker A: Can I bring up an issue I have with that? [00:25:41] Speaker C: Go for it, Rip. [00:25:43] Speaker A: I Have a couple issues with this movie in general. One, the book is like thoroughly descriptive on how everything works and you can follow right along as the movie goes and plays out. Which I actually thought took away from the movie a lot. [00:25:59] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. [00:25:59] Speaker A: It's more enjoyable when you don't know what's happening and why it's happening. But this book laid out three specific. [00:26:06] Speaker B: Ways to. [00:26:09] Speaker A: Killed the deadites or remove the demons from people with dismemberment, death by fire or live burial. And I don't know about you guys, but taking a portion of a toilet and smashing somebody's head is not none of those things. Yeah, but she was done for the rest of the movie. And the same thing happened with the girlfriend. She like went on a. Tears just nailing guys and weird slap them around with a. With a crowbar. And then she just kind of was like, oh, oh my face hurts. And then she just dies. [00:26:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:45] Speaker C: Do you think what the book is talking about is how to get rid of the demon? Because you didn't like he killed the physical form of Olivia, but that didn't get rid of the demon. The demon just went to somebody else. And then when they killed Natalie, that didn't get rid of the demon, it just went to somebody else. It wasn't until they buried Jane. Mia. Sorry, they buried Mia that she was actually cured of the demon. Although. No, nevermind. It's still. [00:27:08] Speaker B: Because then the demon just came out of the dirt. [00:27:10] Speaker C: Well, it jumped to Eric first and then it went to the dirt. [00:27:13] Speaker B: Yes. Or. [00:27:13] Speaker A: Yeah, for the, for the final boss to come out. [00:27:18] Speaker C: Right, right, right. So the demon jumps to Eric and then when the five of them are dead, then it. [00:27:23] Speaker A: Yeah, then it goes to David. David dies in the fire at the end. He killed. [00:27:28] Speaker B: He. [00:27:28] Speaker A: He kills himself. [00:27:30] Speaker B: How come, sister? How come like a lot of times in the. In the previous ones they got bit or they were molested by a tree, which. We had that in this one too, which was just as horrifying. We. We had reasons, like physical reasons. The demon entered a person's body and in this one like Eric drowned and then comes back as a deadite. What? I don't know what happened there. The nurse, she was just completely vomited on by all that stuff. So I'll take that. But there were some. Yeah, there were some definite like structural issues to their. To their rules that I were not quite clear to me. [00:28:12] Speaker C: Yeah, well, even David killed himself. He was never possessed. No, he blew himself up in the fire and that still counted as one of the five Souls. [00:28:19] Speaker A: His eyes change color. [00:28:21] Speaker C: Oh, did that. Okay. [00:28:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:23] Speaker B: It was act. [00:28:23] Speaker A: And I actually had to double take that because in the theatrical release, his eyes don't change color. So when it came to DVD or whatever, the director went in there and changed the color to ensure that the possession was there. So that there was five possessions and five kills or whatever. [00:28:44] Speaker C: Gotcha. [00:28:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess people are requesting it. [00:28:47] Speaker C: Ish. [00:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:50] Speaker C: What did you guys think of? They mentioned those three ways you can deal with the Deadite. And then he buries his sister in, like, six inches of dirt for five seconds. And then all of a sudden, she's completely healthy and fine. She doesn't even see her crawling out of the ground. She's just standing there. Instantly. No dirt on her whatsoever. [00:29:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And looks, looks. Why did she look pristine? Why couldn't we just keep the scarring on her face? Why did she, like, instantly. She. She stood up so quickly that I'm thinking, okay, she's still possessed. No. Nobody stands up that fast. That quiet. I'm waiting for this scary thing to happen. And then it didn't. And it. And it left me like, wait a minute. [00:29:33] Speaker A: You. [00:29:34] Speaker B: You. You got me all primed for more, and it's not there. It switched gears totally on me. [00:29:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:40] Speaker A: So in my eyes, in the original movies, the demon could switch you back and forth from looking like a Deadite to, you know, your normal. [00:29:53] Speaker B: That's true. Yeah. [00:29:54] Speaker A: So I felt that. That the whole purpose of me at the end getting up and being like, oh, David, help me. Was like, oh, is this the Deadite just playing more mind games? I felt like that was the. What they were trying to execute. But no, she was cured and everything was good. So it didn't, like, hit me the wrong way. But could they have pulled it off better? Probably. [00:30:18] Speaker B: Well, that's how. Exactly how it hit me. [00:30:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:21] Speaker B: Is this a demon playing mind games again? Because it's gotta be, right? And then it wasn't. It was really her cured and looking fine. And I was like, that just felt like the wrong play. [00:30:33] Speaker A: Yeah. It's also where they swapped the hero to her instead of David. Right. Which was like a. Yeah. Fun kind of twist on it. [00:30:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:44] Speaker A: So I think they were trying to do multiple things, so maybe it kind of felt clunky in the execution. [00:30:50] Speaker B: Still led to the sequence which was, for me, the climax of the movie. Shoving the chainsaw down that thing's throat. Such an amazing visual. It's the thing that I'm gonna take away from this movie the most. Just that that scene with so much blood raining down everywhere. [00:31:08] Speaker A: Thousand gallons of blood was used for that. [00:31:12] Speaker B: Yes. And worth every drop. I loved that scene. It was. It was just incredible. I. I want like a poster of that. Of that. That clip right there. It was. It was great. [00:31:26] Speaker A: Yeah. That's super funny. [00:31:28] Speaker B: I think Dan left us. [00:31:29] Speaker C: Did Dan leave us? [00:31:30] Speaker A: Okay, well, we'll just keep it to. [00:31:32] Speaker B: Screw it. We didn't need him anyway. I mean, when she was crawling around in the walls though. And the demons. The demons, like stabbing with the machete through the walls. What is with this cabin? What's up with this cabin? That there is. You just lost me, didn't you? I still hear you, but you still hear me. My computer just crashed. All my screens went blank. Oh, well. Well, we lost in. Now we lost me. What was up with. How come this cabin looks so small from the outside, but is a damn three story mansion with interior, like insulated walls that are like 4ft thick? I don't get it. I'm gonna have to re reboot my system. Guys, Nothing's. Oh, wait, hold on. Things might be coming back online. [00:32:19] Speaker A: Dan's back. [00:32:20] Speaker C: I am black back. [00:32:22] Speaker A: I'm back in black. [00:32:26] Speaker C: So while Brian's figuring this out, we can just edit this out. Yes. Ultimate chaos. The planets do Evil Dead rise next. That'll be the entire Evil Dead franchise. And Brian is touching on something that I wanted to touch on in the very first episode and just kind of got carried under the rug, which is how this stupid little cabin is absolutely a Tardis. And it's like tiny on the outside and massive on the inside. I think that's hilarious. Like, we were making fun of that pretty much the entire first movie. Not like making fun fun, but they're like joking about it. It's like from the outside, it's two rooms at best. And you go inside and there's like nine rooms in a basement. You're just like. They just keep like. Especially there's one scene where Ash is running away from the demon, like through six different bedrooms. And you're just like, where are all these rooms on the outside? Like, please point them out to me as we look at this tiny little cabin. Like, even the cabin in the background of Brian's screen here looks bigger than the one in the movie. But yeah, I'm glad somebody else brought that up because I definitely. [00:33:21] Speaker A: The movie magic, right? It's just like that happens in movies a lot where the outside doesn't quite match the interior. [00:33:30] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:33:31] Speaker A: But it is what it is. Although I feel like in this movie, maybe the outside scenes weren't the same as the inside. But, like, as far as I know, they filmed the majority of this movie in chronological order, which is very rare. But they did it specifically because they knew they were gonna gore the hell out of everything. So they're like, it's easier not to have to clean up. And it would just continually become more and more gruesome around the set. [00:33:59] Speaker C: Yeah, well, it's also worth mentioning, he was talking about the point where they're stabbing through the walls. That was the outhouse, right? Or not the outhouse. The shed. [00:34:07] Speaker A: The shed, yeah. [00:34:08] Speaker C: Yeah. It was interesting to me where, like, his dog was, like, curled up in this little, like, I don't know, foxhole or something. He jumps into the shed and pulls off, like, a trap door to get to that foxhole. And I'm just like, what did you. How long has this foxhole been here? Why? Did you know about this? Yeah, the whole trap door leading to it. [00:34:28] Speaker A: The whole reason the dog is there is, like, a little bit odd to me as well. It feels like the dog was there just to confirm Maya being like, oh, I smell dead bodies. And the dog's like, I smell them too. Look under here. And I was like, they could have gone about that a different way, I guess. Also, offing the dog and the brother being like, what the f did you do to my pet? Is kind of cool, too, but I just felt like it wasn't necessary to be in the movie. People just like animals, I guess, and killing them. [00:35:02] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. I don't know. The dog had a whole massive purpose there. I. Going back a second, I really like the idea that this is a continuation of the Evil Dead one. Right? Like Evil Dead one, two, and I guess three. Although that takes place in a different dimension. I like the idea of this taking place in that universe. And, like, the blood there is actually one of the original people's blood. All of that seems really cool. It can't possibly work, though, because they do make mention that this is the cabin that they spent summer holidays in, they grew up in. So, like, at what point does Ash's story take place if nobody has noticed this over 30 years as they've been spending time here, if this had been just a random cabin in the woods that they discovered, like, maybe it was a rainy night or something, they just stumble upon this place that could have been a really cool idea and led to being like, oh, hey, this is the same place from before. I really like that. But I don't know the way they did it was like, it's fine. Like it's. It's totally fine being like, not connected per se, but then all these, like, random things there are just fun to have. Like. Like they're just Easter eggs as opposed to being. Plot points. [00:36:10] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:36:10] Speaker C: Friends back. [00:36:11] Speaker A: I do feel they also. I think I heard. I heard rumblings that originally Alvarez wanted to make Maya or Mia the daughter of Ash. [00:36:25] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:36:26] Speaker A: And that kind of got shot down, so I'm sure I heard about that too. Yeah. Went through different or different iterations, and this is kind of how it landed after all these different ideas kind of came in and out. So I think that kind of also makes it questionable more as to if this is in the same world or not of. Of the first movies, which is okay. I think it's. I think it's kind of fun to be like, oh, is it? Isn't it? You can discuss it and here's why it is, here's why it isn't. And I think that's all great, but. [00:36:56] Speaker C: I think it's pretty clearly not in the same world. I just kind of wish that it. [00:37:00] Speaker B: Was, but I. I felt it's absolutely not the same world. I felt it was just a definite. Hey, we enjoyed the Source and we. We want to pay tribute to it, but we want this to be our own thing. That's just how I felt watching it. It just felt like everything was like, yes, this is a remake of a fantastic movie. This is our spin on it. [00:37:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:27] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:37:28] Speaker C: No, no, no. [00:37:29] Speaker A: I was just like, I'm just like spitting, like interesting things I found about this movie. Like Alvarez, this was his first feature length film. And, you know, Sam Raimi saw like a short film that he did and was like, oh, yeah, this guy is totally capable. Let's give him a shot at doing this. Which is awesome because Sam Raimi kind of got his break doing Evil Dead. So I thought it was like, really fun the how this came up. [00:37:55] Speaker C: Passing the torch off to another younger. [00:37:57] Speaker A: Yeah, passing that torch off and. And allowing, you know, a young director to get his. Get his feet wet in, you know, knee high blood. [00:38:06] Speaker B: Yeah, 50,000 gallons of it. [00:38:09] Speaker A: That's exactly. Yeah. [00:38:13] Speaker C: All right, so with that being said, Will do you want to give us your score on this one? [00:38:19] Speaker A: I had trouble scoring this movie, to be honest, as a standalone kind of gruesome horror movie. Is it like a scary movie? I don't think so. It's like a gross out movie, which is, you know, it's kind of own category Torture, as Dan loves to say. [00:38:40] Speaker C: Yeah, dude. [00:38:43] Speaker A: But it, it just shows so much love for the source material that, you know, I can't like, I can't just like drop this movie. There's, there's so much I like about it, but there's so many holes in the scripts that the brother sister vibe. Vibe did wasn't great. You know, he, David tried to, you know, make right after abandoning his sister with his like, ill mother, like, and so he's like, oh, I'm going to save my sister now. Something I should have, you know, done years ago. [00:39:20] Speaker B: By burying her in a dirt and electrocuting her. [00:39:22] Speaker A: Yeah, by, by bringing her back to life somehow with a car battery. But it just felt like there was a lot of like, really interesting things that just kind of all got meshed together because at the end of the day they just wanted the most gruesome terror movie of all time, which is fine, but like, pick your lane. Like, just make the script a little simpler so that you're not splitting focus. But that said, I loved all the little call outs to the first one. I love seeing the Oldsmobile, the necklace, all these things. I, I, I didn't mind Bruce Campbell at the end saying, calling out the groovy, you know, just hitting it home at the end. So overall I just had to like make up my mind. And at the end of the day I, I couldn't rightfully rate it higher than the original. I plopped this sucker at a 64 out of 100. It's a good standalone movie, but I feel like it's not a great Evil Dead franchise movie. [00:40:26] Speaker C: That's totally fair for me. I, I kind of ranked these into five different categories. I had a hard time with the music because honestly I don't remember any of the sound from this movie. I think that they did a pretty good job with some of it. Like the gore and like the breaking of bones and the stabbing of things, all of that sounded really good, but nothing really stood out as being a whole lot of anything. The cinematography in this one, we talked about it already. Like, the makeup looks insane. The, the raining, the blood was so cool. The practical effects are amazing. The visuals for this movie are just, just disgusting. But in all the right ways is exactly what you kind of want if this is what you're going for. It all looks, I don't know if it looks like it's supposed to because thank God I've never been in most of these situations, but it all looks disgusting and right. And I, I really likes the look of this one, as far as the acting goes, I didn't have the problem with Shiloh Fernandez, you guys did. But Elizabeth Blackmore bothered the heck out of me. She's only one of five, and she died relatively quickly. So the other four did really, really well for me, specifically Jessica Lucas and Jane Levy. I thought both did really, really good jobs. There's not a whole lot for these characters, like, there's not, other than on Jane Levy, who's having to deal with the addiction on top of everything else. For the most part. They're just kind of, like, acting scared and weirded out for the. Like, there's not. Like, there's not a whole lot of emotional scenes for a good chunk of them, but they did really well with what they had. I like the acting in it. The plot of this one. Taking the original remake or taking the original movie, redoing it, giving it more modern vibes. I think it's a bold move. And they did it really, really well. There's a really good chance this movie bombs hard because people just turn on it because it is not the beloved cult classic that the Evil Dead is. Instead, they were able to pull it off in such a way that it. It doesn't replace it by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a nice companion piece. You can go back to the campy 1981 version, or you can watch the more horrific 19, sorry, 2013 version. Both of them work really well. Both of them stand on their own, and that's really impressive to do. A lot of times you make a remake or a reboot or something, and it just falls really, really flat. It doesn't live up to the original. I think this one does. It doesn't have the. The same heart as the first one, but other than that, it's really, really well done. Does hold up. I think my issue with this one comes from the enjoyment. And this is where I had a hard time rating this movie because I didn't think that this movie would. This movie scored so high in all the other categories, and then my enjoyment of it kind of brought it down. Now, when I say that I was never bored during this movie, but this movie is not my style of movie. Like, this much graphic violence and just disgusting imagery on screen is not really the kind of stuff that I want to, like, fill my head with on a regular basis. It was fine. It was fun to watch with a buddy. I don't know that I'm ever going to revisit this one. I might Revisit Evil Dead 1, 2 and 3 before I would ever go back to this one. And so because of that, it did lower the score. Unfortunately, not. Not that much, to be honest, because the other categories were so incredibly high that I still ended up giving this one a 69, which is my franchise high so far. We'll see how Rise does and see if that one tops it. So this one got a pretty good score for me, considering how much I've said this is not my franchise, this is not what I look for when I look for a movie, but 69 for me. What about you, Brian? [00:43:48] Speaker B: Well, you guys weren't incredibly wrong in your scoring this time around, but I am going to have to touch up some of what you said said. So I. I gotta agree with Cleaning Agent on kind of the plot was a little bit too intricate for them to handle a lot of interesting things, but it became a little too much for them to handle. I did like the overall direction of this film, how they took a fantastic movie, they made it their own, but they were really willing to say we enjoyed the original and we want to pay tribute to that. So that was kind of fun. That makes it completely different from 1 and 2, obviously 3. It has nothing to do with 3, but it's completely different from 1 and 2. But yet you can still enjoy it as a different variant of it. A companion piece to the franchise, I think Dan said is a. Is a very good way to put it. I did like the scoring to this. The sound effects were so on point. The creepy noises, the carving of flesh, the kachink of the nail gun. Like everything sounded really good. The music didn't take me out of it. It did build up some of the intensity, though. It wasn't so overwhelming that I can remember the tune or anything like that. I think this movie does hold up better than the originals. I never even noticed that they weren't on their cell phones, but of course they're out in the middle of the woods. But they didn't even need to give me that line of dialogue that, oh. [00:45:22] Speaker C: I don't get cell reception out here. [00:45:24] Speaker B: To take away that aspect of the movie. Right. So it was really good. I had a ton of fun watching this movie. It was on the edge of what I could handle for this graphic violence. I think that the franchise name allowed me to. To hang in there. And I know because I've seen the next one, it's going to be the same way. Literally. The next one's a very challenging movie to get through, but the name Good allows me to to push through and watch it. And so for that it, it almost made it more amazing because normally I'd be like, oh, this is too much. But this movie takes me right up to here and I still get through it. So, like pushes my limits of what I can sit through. And I had a fun time just, just scaring the crap out of me. Not scaring so much as just horrifying myself. So it pushed the fun for me. Not my genre either, the graphic violence like this, but it was, it was really good for me. This ended up scoring just one point higher than the original army of Darkness. And I want to point out the original army of Darkness because I feel like though it covered aspects of 1 and 2, it really leaned toward 1, which was more a graphically violent, disgusting, practical, effects driven movie. And that's what this really leaned into. And so for me, this came out at a solid 80 points. Very much enjoyed this. I would recommend it to others. If you like this style of movie. I think it's a great one to pick up and in fact, maybe even check this one out first if you like this kind of stuff and then see why people really enjoy this franchise and how it gave birth. That's just my opinion, but I like this movie. I thought it was really good. [00:47:15] Speaker C: All right, so that gives an average score of 71 for the 2013 remake and an average franchise score so far of 69 for Evil Dead. Now we've got one more movie to go. We'll see how that holds up when we're totally done, see where that lands on our board. But so far, what do you guys think? Is this kind of holding up where you thought it would be? I think this is so far higher up on the list than I anticipated. [00:47:41] Speaker A: But I think it's gonna, I think it's gonna lead to a three way tie. [00:47:45] Speaker C: Oh, God, I really hope not. We're gonna have to seriously revise this strategy. If out of four movies, three of them tied at 70, I might seriously just bomb the next one just on purpose. Be like, no, we're getting a different score. [00:47:56] Speaker B: I think, see, the thing is, and I think I mentioned this before, with these franchises, they're all going to rate kind of high. For me. I'm the kind of person who likes this mainstream movie. And when a mainstream movie is likable, it gets a sequel. And so you get franchises. And I'm just into franchises. They're all kind of going to get high scores for me. You guys are able to be more critical of this stuff. I just Have a bit more fun with them. And so maybe that's why I'm rating, you know, this Evil Dead remake so much higher than you guys. I mean, the acting really did take away from it. For me, that was. In some ways it was better. But Elo, or whatever his name is, just really took me out of this film in a big way. [00:48:43] Speaker C: But. [00:48:43] Speaker B: But I had a lot of fun. Man. [00:48:46] Speaker C: I am gonna hit back pretty hard on something you just said. I don't know that I would recommend this one first over the original Evil Dead. I think a lot of the fun in this one is seeing all those Easter eggs and seeing all the callbacks to the original, which of course you wouldn't get if this is your first time. Now maybe you'll do it in reverse and you'll go back and watch the first one afterwards and be like, oh, that's the car. Yeah, okay. But I doubt it. I don't know. If you see that car driving down the road and you think of the car parked in the back lot, I. I think that was one of my favorite parts of this is just being like, okay, that's a cool shot with like the book and the shotgun and the shotgun shells. That seems reminiscent. Okay, we're in the basement. We remember that. Oh, they cut their hand off. Yeah, yeah, they did that in the first one. Second one. Yeah. It's probably an easier stepping in point for. For newer generations because it is so much more cinematic. But I think as much as I didn't love the. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Maybe. Maybe true cinema lovers should see him in sequence. [00:49:44] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I think if you're a point, it might depend heavily on who you're talking to when you. [00:49:48] Speaker B: If. If you're low brow and it kind of dragging those knuckles, you could jump in. Last one. I'm not sure. Maybe that's just me. [00:49:55] Speaker C: You know what? [00:49:55] Speaker B: Here's something we didn't talk to. And I do want to. I do want to mention this because this was. This was amazing. I forgot all about it from the first time I watched it. You start watching it and there's a girl wandering in the woods. She looks lost, and these hillbillies are tracking her down. And you're like, oh, my gosh. And they're like, we got you now. You got pretty mouth kind of thing. And. And then she's. She's tied up in the basement and all these people are like really creepy, like voodoo stuff going on. And then all of a sudden the scripts flipped and you realize she's possessed by the demon. And they're trying to cleanse her. And then her dad is the guy with the shotgun pointed at her face. And she's like, daddy, why are you doing this? I'm sorry, baby. And they set her on fire and he blows her head off. And all this, like, it's just mad craziness in the first, like, eight minutes of the movie. It was such an amazing narrative hook for me on such a scary, gory, horrific film. Like, that really sets the tone for you. We didn't have anything like that in any other movie that was completely different and new to this franchise. And I thought was a great look at, hey, we're gonna make this movie our own way. [00:51:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's a. It was a good way to just, like, throw you into, like, this is what you're going to get it also, it also adds to the reason why I think this might be a sequel in that this keeps happening in the same area with this book. Like, Ash tried to burn it in the first movie. Obviously it didn't work because it. It keeps coming back. And there's no actual way to stop this. There's only a way to, like, delay it from happening again. [00:51:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:46] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's. It's. It's an interesting start to the movie. It is a very much. And also plays into like, oh, we've been here before. So let's just jump to it, you know, like, there's three Evil Dead movies. There's comic books galore, there's video games. Like, this is. Everybody knows Evil Dead. So let's just, you know what. Right into the good stuff. Right. So, yeah, I didn't mind the start of it that way either. But it did leave some questions for me that maybe will never get answered. [00:52:18] Speaker B: I like that, though. [00:52:19] Speaker A: It. [00:52:19] Speaker B: That's kind of like you get to discuss that. [00:52:22] Speaker A: What do you think? [00:52:23] Speaker B: What do you think happened? You know, so. So that was good for me. [00:52:27] Speaker C: I'd agree. I liked the opening quite a bit, actually, because it did kind of leave you, like, oh, I don't know what. What is happening right now. Now there's. I don't have any lingering questions from it. I think it was just a nice, cold open. Kind of gets you right into it right away. And then you can kind of slow down a little bit by bringing people to the cabin and you kind of know something's going on. If this is your first Evil Dead movie, it kind of gives you something right away. Kind of gives you that, like, oh, they can. They can transform. Because I think she does. She changed her look, or did she just say, I'm going to eat your soul or whatever to her dad? [00:52:56] Speaker B: But I don't think she really wigs out a bit. She definitely brings up the intensity in her. In her face shoot expressions. But they might have added a little makeup to her. [00:53:03] Speaker A: Yeah, the eyes definitely go as well. The eyes are. Yeah, Big indicator. [00:53:08] Speaker C: So it's a good way of showing off. Like, hey, these things can. Can hide. They can be demonic. Like, they're not just like zombies that always look like zombies. [00:53:15] Speaker A: So although fair, I wish they did that more in this movie. In this movie, they only kind of went back and forth on, like, oh, help me, help me, like, once or twice. And so I didn't feel like it was. Maybe that's why I didn't feel like the end when Maya was, like, fully recovered. And you're questioning whether she is or not. Maybe didn't pay off as well because they didn't have as much of the trickery throughout the movie as the previous iterations. [00:53:41] Speaker C: I wonder if that was on purpose so that it keeps you guessing whether or not she actually is demonically possessed or if she is, like, just on heroin. Like, if she is a bit, like, it's pretty obvious, but it kind of gives you. No, no, I'm sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Gives the characters in the movie a better. Like, they don't know. [00:53:57] Speaker A: I don't think so. [00:53:59] Speaker C: Does she show her demonic face right away? [00:54:03] Speaker A: Well, I mean, once. Once she goes melty face, it's pretty much game over. [00:54:07] Speaker C: Sure. Yeah. But that's. That's not her first trick even. [00:54:11] Speaker B: No, even after melty face, they. They were. They were having trouble accepting it. [00:54:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:17] Speaker A: Didn't really speak up much either. Eric's like, oh, I, I this up. Yeah, I'm just gonna keep reading this cool book. Well, you guys deal with that. Sorry, that's my bad. [00:54:27] Speaker C: This one's a page turner. [00:54:28] Speaker A: I'll tell you guys later how it ends. [00:54:30] Speaker C: Yeah, I did find it really funny how he keeps like. Like they drive up to the. The bridge, and instead of the bridge being out in this one, it is just like 50ft of river. And he's just like, okay, well, by tomorrow afternoon, we'll be able to cross that. I'm like, I don't think so, bud. I think that road's gone. [00:54:48] Speaker B: Florida's still bailing water. They're a peninsula. [00:54:51] Speaker C: It's. [00:54:51] Speaker B: It's not. [00:54:51] Speaker A: It's not happening. [00:54:52] Speaker C: Yeah, no, that was ridiculous. But he's like, okay. Hope springs eternal, I guess. All right. And that's our rating of Evil Dead. What do you guys think? Was that score a little too high? A little too low? This is recorded live over at Twitch tv, the Mongoolie show on Thursday nights. So if you want to go ahead over there, hit that follow button and participate in the conversation live as it's happening. That'd be incredible. There's also a Discord link down below if you want to get into the conversation while we're not live. Or if you're just enjoying these videos, hit the like and subscribe button, as both of those do greatly help out with this channel and with getting the views out there. You can also leave a comment down below because it helps with engagement. Other than that, I hope you're safe, I hope you're well and have a good night.