R Rating Ep 11 - Evil Dead Rise (2023)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Mongoolie's movie madness. It's a sight to behold. Mongoolie's passion for films never close up. From classics to new releases. He's in the no Mongoolies movies. Let's start the show foreign. [00:00:35] Speaker B: Hello, everybody, and welcome back to our Rating the show where I get together with a couple of my friends, we dissect a movie franchise, movie by movie, give it an overall score and see where it lands on the board. This week, we're talking about the final movie in the Evil Dead franchise, Evil Dead Rise. I'm joined today by Brian and Will. Will, how are you doing today? [00:00:53] Speaker C: I couldn't be better. I'm so happy to be here, Dan. Thank you for having me, as always. [00:00:57] Speaker B: I'm so glad you're here, Brian. How are you doing? You're a little bit worse for wear, unfortunately, right? [00:01:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But I'm going to pull through and we're going to wrap up this franchise. I'm curious to find out where you guys land on this latest movie, because I've got thoughts. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Oh, I have thoughts. But before we get to that, Will, can you give us the synopsis for this final installment in the Evil Dead franchise? [00:01:18] Speaker C: I suppose I can, Dan. Evil Dead Rise 2023. Upon discovering her unplanned pregnancy, Beth, a touring guitar tech, pays a visit to her sister's family for some comfort and consultation. Unfortunately, an earthquake not only shakes the foundation of her sister's home, it also shakes loose a Book of the Dead. The aftershocks come in waves of blood and ghastly Deadites trying to take down Beth's fat family member. One by one, Beth, like a bun in the oven, must rise to the grueling challenge and responsibility of parenthood, all while defeating the Evil Dead. [00:02:01] Speaker B: Absolutely incredible, as always. [00:02:03] Speaker A: Very nice, Very nice. [00:02:05] Speaker B: So let me ask you this, Brian. Have you ever seen this movie before? Is this your first time viewing? [00:02:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I saw it before. Big fan of the franchise, mostly because of 1, 2, and 3. However, I, as you guys know from last week, I very much enjoyed Evil Dead, the remake, and then I saw this one. [00:02:25] Speaker B: But this is your second time you've seen this one? [00:02:27] Speaker A: This is the second time I've sat through and like, like previous movies, this will probably be the last time I revisit this movie. [00:02:35] Speaker B: Totally fair. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't want to get too far ahead of myself here. Did you say that you had to watch this one in little chunks because, like, the gore was just getting to you? Or the. The child were getting. The children getting tortured was getting to you or. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Okay, both, because. Both because my schedule is ridiculous, but also because sometimes it was just like, poof, that's enough for me. I'm going to go watch Bluey for a little bit and then try to go to bed, you know, the cleanser. Because it is. It's pretty rough. And of course, as a parent, this one features children being tormented by demons and that's pretty rough. [00:03:09] Speaker B: Yeah, no, for sure. What about you, Will? Have you seen this franchise or this movie before? [00:03:14] Speaker C: I have not. You know what? I actually missed that this movie even existed. [00:03:18] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:03:19] Speaker C: I think I, like, maybe heard about it, but never. I never watched any trailers. I never watched. I never read anything about it. So I actually came into this very fresh without any outside influence whatsoever, which was kind of interesting. [00:03:37] Speaker B: Fair enough. I know that I'd seen trailers for both the remake and this one. Never really saw them, never had a ton of interest. But I do remember this one looking really interesting. The imagery of the mother played by. I think it's Elisa. Alicia, Alyssa Sutherland. [00:03:54] Speaker C: Alyssa, yes. [00:03:55] Speaker B: Incredibly striking. The makeup did a great job. But also just her natural features when turned. I mean, naturally, but also when turned dead with the eyes and whatnot, just incredibly striking. Just something that really grabs you. So even the trailer kind of had me on this one. Even though Evil Dead is not my franchise, it was one of those ones where like, oh, that's kind of interesting. But I never really sought it out, so this was my opportunity to actually dig my teeth into it, if you will, and check this movie out and watch it. And as with most of the franchise, this one just didn't really do it for me, but in a very different way than the other movies. So I'm curious to get into that one in a little bit. Brian, you mentioned this is probably the last time you're going to see this one. What were your initial thoughts on this movie? [00:04:40] Speaker A: I'm not big on child actors. I've said before, they either make or break a film for me. And strangely enough, I had one child actor in this movie that did a pretty darn good job. And I kind of enjoyed her character, as scarred as that child is obviously going to be after what she went through in this film. [00:04:59] Speaker C: Cassie, she'll be fine. [00:05:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, Cassie. But her two siblings absolutely ruined this film for me. I couldn't wait for them to die. And then, unfortunately, they came back to life and it was just horrible. Unlike their mother. You mentioned Alyssa Sutherland, who played Ellie, was Fantastic. Probably the highlight of the film. Her role, especially after she becomes a Deadite, was incredible. One of the best Deadites in the franchise. I think the look, the sound, the way she acted. Oh, my God. When. When she climbs out of the tub and she says, mommy's with the maggots now. Oh, my goodness. Just the creepiest line. It was amazing. But her children absolutely just kind of ruined this for me. Bridget and whatever the kid's name was. [00:05:52] Speaker C: Danny, maybe. [00:05:54] Speaker A: Danny. Yeah, Danny. Ugh. Just terrible characters that I just couldn't relate to in any way, shape, or form. Meaning most of the characters I couldn't relate to in any way, shape or form. But the kids. Ugh. Do you guys. [00:06:06] Speaker B: Those characters give you nothing to relate to? Like Beth? No, not Beth. Sorry, Bridget. All we know about her, she wanted to go to a protest. Do you know what she was protesting? Do you know why she's protesting it? Do you know why she was against it? Do you know anything about her other than she was gonna go to a protest? [00:06:24] Speaker A: Zero character development for those two whatsoever. Although I did feel like they were the same character and they just duplicated them. Like. [00:06:31] Speaker B: Yeah. They just wanted to up the body count. [00:06:33] Speaker A: Yeah, that was it. [00:06:34] Speaker B: Danny, like, he has a. He's a DJ or he wants to be a dj. Do you know anything else about him? No. Unnecessary. He has. [00:06:40] Speaker A: Honestly, it felt like just a reason to have a turntable in the room. [00:06:44] Speaker B: 100%. [00:06:45] Speaker A: What do you guys think about child actors in. In general through. In movies? Do you enjoy watching kids? Because, like, young Anakin Skywalker just kind of ruined all of Star wars for me, and they do that. Like. Like a little kid can just ruin things. Okay. The Sixth Sense could have been good if it was. I don't know anybody else. [00:07:06] Speaker B: Amazing. And you shut your mouth. I'll give you Anakin. I'll give you Anakin. I'll definitely give you two of the three kids in this one. But Sixth Sense is really good. I like that one in general. [00:07:17] Speaker A: I just don't. I tend to really not like child actors. When they get it right, they're amazing. I felt Cassie did a pretty darn good job. I kind of felt like the writing around her was kind of weird and a little bit discombobulated. But she was the cute kid that you really wanted to see make it. [00:07:39] Speaker B: So you asked about child actors, and then I kind of just beat your throat off. I. I don't agree with you. I mean, I. A bad actor of any type can ruin a movie. It doesn't have to be a child actor versus an adult actor. I sometimes give children, Child actors a bit of extra leeway because they're, you know, six and trying to do this thing that a lot of adults can't do properly. So as much as, yeah, they might taint something, I kind of give them a bit more of like a. Yeah, they're. They're six. Of course, they don't quite know what they're doing, but when a child actor can nail it. I would have used Sixth Sense as an example, but instead, I'll go to ET With Drew Barrymore in real life. No, the boy. [00:08:20] Speaker A: Watched either of them either. I don't like Drew Barrymore in general, but. [00:08:24] Speaker C: No, no. [00:08:27] Speaker B: I can't think of his name right now. But the kid in ET if you watch his audition for it, like, he's incredible. He did a really, really solid job with that for being, like, seven, eight. [00:08:39] Speaker A: Well, he's mine, and he lives with me, and he likes me, and he wants to stay here. He likes it here. [00:08:46] Speaker B: Well, we wouldn't hurt him or anything. All we want to do is talk to him. [00:08:50] Speaker C: But I don't want you to take him away. [00:08:54] Speaker B: I don't know. I. I don't have the same issue. You do have child actors, I guess. So this one didn't bother me as Madly Zager. No, not my go to bad movie. My go to good movie. [00:09:03] Speaker A: Unless you're talking about, say, about me. Yeah. [00:09:06] Speaker B: Okay, fair enough. In this movie, though, I will 100 give you that both Gabrielle Echols and Morgan Davies were not. Not properly cast. I think you're onto something there, because even I was watching this with my buddy. We've seen all the evil dead ones together. They both felt. I mean, paper thin, to say the least, but also kind of. How do I word this? Interchangeable. You know what I mean? Like. [00:09:34] Speaker C: Like. [00:09:34] Speaker B: Like there was nothing specifically special about either one of them. Like, the girl could have gone down the rabbit hole and found the book just as easily as the boy did. You know what I mean? Like, there's no. There's nothing about either one of their characters that stood out in any direction for why they did anything in the entire movie. [00:09:52] Speaker A: Their characters weren't to. Weren't meant to have an arc. They weren't meant to overcome anything or change anything or do anything. They were just meant to become dead and scary and. And they didn't do a good job of that either. Eating a glass was kind of gross, but that. That would have happened. That was gross. That would have worked with anybody. [00:10:13] Speaker B: You know, well, and it. It didn't even work for me because this sounds horrible. She was talking during it and she was saying stupid stuff like, I've got something in my tummy. And me and my friend just burst out laughing. I gotta kill the creepy colors that I got inside my tummy. Like at this scene that's supposed to be gross and weird, we were just dying, laughing at this because it's like, no, that's. That's not it, kid. Second take. Sorry, Will. [00:10:40] Speaker A: We have a rebuttal to this. You look like you're dying over there. [00:10:44] Speaker B: Will was a child actor and he wants to jump through the screen. [00:10:47] Speaker C: I wasn't really a child actor, but I'm still a child. But, yeah, there. I don't disagree that it's easy to fall out with a child actor because they're children. And, you know, it takes years of training to become a really good actor. If you can cast the right child into part, it can become quite magical. And so I do feel like Run does have a point of like, oh, it's easy to fall out of the movie when a child actor sticks out so much. I think. I think people are getting better about hiring children recently. But it doesn't always work out, obviously. [00:11:35] Speaker B: Just. [00:11:36] Speaker C: It just doesn't. That said, I didn't hate either of the kids. I think I always. I always go back to this. I think the script didn't do them any favors. I believe the script was very flimsy with the characters in all the cases. And so when. When that. You only have those lines that you're going off of and that character development is based off of those lines, you can only take it so far. And like Run said, they're really just there to up the deadite count. And that's. That's okay for me. That's playing the same ball game as all the Evil Deads. In my mind, character development comes second. I feel like at least the sisters had more character development than most characters in all of the Evil Dead movies. Like, you. You at least knew adult sisters. Yeah, the two adult. [00:12:36] Speaker A: Yes. [00:12:36] Speaker C: Yeah, the adult sisters. [00:12:38] Speaker B: I'm going to argue. Apparently, I'm just in a mood tonight. I feel like the remake, the 2013 one, did a much better job with character development than this one did. I feel like I understand who most of those characters are, why they're there, what they're doing, how they connect to each other. And then this one, it's just like, here's other people. Here's some people in the hallway. So we can kill them. Hey, here's three random people at the very beginning of the movie that don't connect at all. I mean, they. Duke is the end, but basically at all. Let's just kill them. Like, it was just like, they're just throwing people at you so they can have more deaths. Focused on the main family, made those people you care about and then had the psychological horror with them. [00:13:15] Speaker A: Beth and Ellie had some character depth to them, but that was because, you know, El or Abeth was a dead eye throughout most of the movie and was torturing Ellie throughout the story. And you needed buttons to push, so she kept calling her a groupie and things like that. Yeah, so. But it wasn't great development. And that was the best that they had. And we had a deadbeat dad who was not in the picture that they kept kind of referring to, but it had no real. It wasn't necessary. They could have left it completely out. Like, I don't know. And then, of course, don't even forget, you know, we had people who lived down the hall that made less than a cameo appearance and died. And then even their Deadites didn't do anything. [00:14:01] Speaker B: Like they died off screen. [00:14:03] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. I don't know. Again, Beth as a Deadite, freaking amazing. Why couldn't we have that throughout it? And maybe that's what they tried to do with the. With the brother and sister kids, but they just didn't do it for me. They. I don't know. [00:14:22] Speaker B: No. Yeah, yeah. It was an interesting. So one of the things I mentioned in the Predator franchise when you're doing that is you either need to have good, strong character development so that when people start dying, you care about them, or you can kind of cheat that by hiring, like, well known, already loved actors like, say, your Arnold Schwarzeneggers or I'm picking from the Predator franchise. Not just randomly. Totally blanked after I said that, though. So that's cool. Adrian Brody, stuff like that. Like characters you already know and have some kind of an attachment to. And then when you kill them, you're like, oh, I liked Arnold. That's too bad. This movie did neither of those things. It really didn't have any character developments. You didn't care about these characters when they died. And I didn't recognize any of these people. I was told apparently the Ellie was from Vikings made me kind of want to watch Vikings. Other than that, I don't know any of these actors. I didn't care about any of these characters. At one point, I even said to my buddy, and at the time I was like, this is kind of cool. I don't know who the main character is, so I don't know who's going to survive to the end. And then like 10 minutes later I realized I don't know who the main character is. And I'm not rooting for any of these people. They could all die. And I would give zero. [00:15:30] Speaker C: I feel like overarching Evil Dead character development comes second to the Deadites blood, gore, and wild scenes that unfold after the book is opened and read aloud. So it didn't bother me a whole lot. I was kind of, it was a kind of an interesting twist that this whole Deadite thing and the whole family dynamic was like forcing Beth into questioning whether she wants to be a mother or not and kind of being forced into that parental role. I thought that was a strange and interesting way to do that. Which was similar to the Evil Dead remake where the Deadites possession paralleled to drug addiction. That kind of thing was, you know, it had a similar vibe in that way. And I didn't, I didn't mind that. Was it 100 executed well, not. Not really. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Was it 70 executed well? Not really. But I agree, I agree. I, I like that they were trying something there. I, I, I like that parallel with the drug addiction and trying to be free of that demon compared with the real demons and, and, and her wanting to be a mother and being forced into taking care of these kids on the spot. It was something interesting. Terribly put together, I feel like. [00:17:05] Speaker B: And I went back and checked my scores to make sure. When you keep saying that the Evil Dead franchise is not about character development, my two highest scores are the ones where I feel like they did try to do some character development, which was the very first one and the remake. Both of those actually felt like they did have some character. Not super characters, but deeper than this, right? Like, and the remake with the, the heroin addiction or whatever kind of drug addiction that she had, it, it gave the movie, I'm gonna say, believability and obviously the wrong thing to say on this situation, but it gave believability the fact that none of her friends believed her. And it kind of allowed the demon to take possession of her over a longer period of time without people kind of like, hey, what's, something's really wrong here. They're just kind of like, oh, no, she's just coming down, whatnot. I really liked that aspect of the movie. I didn't like that movie that much, but I like that aspect of that movie. Whereas this movie, she's just like instant Deadite. Instant evil. It just. It just didn't work for me. There's some scenes in this that worked for me. There's some camera angles that I thought were really cool. There's some good things about this movie. We're harping on the characters, which is like, absolutely my lowest point in this movie was the acting and the characters in this. [00:18:13] Speaker C: Right. But although again, save Ellie. I mean, as a Deadite, incredible. [00:18:21] Speaker B: The. The one liners, fantastic. A plus. [00:18:24] Speaker C: Yeah. I. I believe she really brought a lot of interesting looks, movement. And even the writing, I think was the strongest when it was coming out of the Deadite mouth. Oh. So there was a lot of good there and it made for a lot of good scenes. [00:18:46] Speaker B: So let's. [00:18:47] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. Her. Her specifically. And I felt. I felt like. I felt like the dead eyes were. I. I enjoyed the Deadites in this one. Her specifically because she did most of the dead eating. Is that a word? She was very much at the beginning when she was like, she gets possessed very soon. But she's like. It felt like when she was like, help me, help me at the beginning, like she was actually trying to fight this demon out. I did like possession out, which was very, very cool. And then led to, you know, the. The other characters questioning what was actually happening here. So I thought that was well played. [00:19:32] Speaker A: And then I also really like to. Don't let it take my babies. Like, that was intense there. This was. That was great writing, great storytelling, great character acting, and it was fantastic. I love that. [00:19:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:45] Speaker C: The other thing I really like is that this Deadite was because she kind of represents the Deadite that's locked in the cellar because she's locked outside the apartment. I like that she really brought like the. Mommy's here. You can trust me. Let me in. That came back a lot, which I felt was a. Missing a little bit in the remake. The remake didn't. [00:20:10] Speaker B: I mean, the psychological aspect. [00:20:12] Speaker C: Yeah, the psychological aspect I thought was really nicely noted in this one. Compared to some of the previous sing along in the first couple. [00:20:22] Speaker B: The Deadites can actually like turn Deadheading off. You know what I mean? [00:20:25] Speaker C: Yeah. They kind of just like revert back. [00:20:26] Speaker B: That would have been better if she'd turned back to a human when she's like, hey, Casey, can you let me in? Like, mommy's feeling sick, but I could really use a hug. That would have been so much creepier if she'd looked normal and so much more believable that the kid would have opened the door. [00:20:40] Speaker A: Right? [00:20:40] Speaker B: Like, that was one of those moments where I'm like, oh. But like, as much as I liked the makeup, having her be in full deadite makeup when she's doing that, you're just like, what? What kid would open. I'm. I guess it's still your mother. But like, jeez, I like that. [00:20:52] Speaker A: I like that direction that they went. And they changed the rules a bunch in this movie. We can get. [00:20:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, they did. [00:20:59] Speaker A: But. But I like that, you know, you've got this, what, five year old, six year old girl who I don't know if she'd open the door for her mommy or believe it or not looking through and seeing that mess, but she sounded normal and she had like a legitimate claim and she was singing lullabies and the little girl might be tricked into that. And that's what made it so creepy because you, the viewer are looking at her and you know, that's a dead eye. 100%, you know. But I could believe that the little girl would be naive enough to open the door and that's what made that moment scary. [00:21:41] Speaker B: In fact, the little girl opening the door for her mother was not the stupidest thing a kid did in this movie. So. [00:21:46] Speaker A: So that is true. Yes, that's true. [00:21:51] Speaker C: Okay, so let's start at the beginning and the end. [00:21:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you. [00:21:58] Speaker C: It was a complete waste. It was a complete waste of time. Right. The cabin scene at the beginning and then. Oh, here's leading up to the cabin scene that was at the beginning, at the end of the movie. [00:22:08] Speaker A: Just completely wasted narrative hook I've ever seen. It was the laziest narrative hook I've ever seen. Hey, we're gonna show something scary and then we're gonna give you a reason to sit through this movie to find out how we got to this scary scene. It's completely unrelated in every way, shape or form. They could have written it any way they wanted to. Yeah, it was dumb. [00:22:28] Speaker B: It did the one day earlier. And then like 10 minutes into the movie, I just turned to my buddy like, none of these people were the ones at the cabin. Right? Like, I'm not crazy. Like, we're not following. Like it's not like, oh, she had her hair down or something. Like, just. [00:22:38] Speaker A: Just checking that it was a rando walking through the parking garage at the end. Yeah, could have been anybody. [00:22:44] Speaker B: Also raises a bunch of questions, like, how did she sleep through the earthquake? Why did she not notice the stairs crumbling? How did she, like multiple gunshots a couple of floors above her like. I don't know. I don't live in the city. [00:22:55] Speaker C: It was a loud storm that night. A loud storm. [00:22:58] Speaker B: Oh, the power's out and there's a whole lot of gunshots going on. Maybe I should. [00:23:02] Speaker C: No, no, no. [00:23:02] Speaker B: The power on a car ride. [00:23:04] Speaker C: The power was only out in their apartment. That was stated. [00:23:07] Speaker B: I thought it was their apartment building. I thought they said. [00:23:09] Speaker C: No, they said they're building. They said their apartment. [00:23:13] Speaker A: Did they say they're apart? I don't remember. I remember. It's only out for us. [00:23:18] Speaker C: The only reason the. The elevator was like, dinging for like, most of the movie, like, with the doors opening and closing because the keys were stuck to prevent the doors from closing. [00:23:28] Speaker A: Okay. [00:23:28] Speaker C: That's why the little girl picked up the keys and then they could go. [00:23:31] Speaker A: Down and Buba Hotep once again makes good point. Continuation. The book could have been doing this all along, right? They wanted it to get from the city to the cabin. I just think that they could have done it any other way, a hundred different ways, and it could have been more meaningful than I did. [00:23:50] Speaker C: Actually, I took it that for me, they put the cabin bookends on this movie for like, promotional being. Like, it's Evil Dead. It's in a cabin. This is what we do. [00:24:04] Speaker B: And. [00:24:05] Speaker C: Oh, wait, that's a trick. When you go to see the movie, it's actually in the city and it's different and welcome to the new Evil Dead. [00:24:12] Speaker B: I did kind of like that. It was in the city some. Somewhere different than just the cabin again. [00:24:16] Speaker C: Yeah, I kind of felt the same way. I. I kind of enjoyed. Okay, there's. I'm just going to break into this right now. This movie establishes there's three evil books of the Dead. Right. When they're talking of. On the records, he's talking about there's three different books. [00:24:34] Speaker A: Three discs. No, three. Three discs. [00:24:37] Speaker C: No, no, there's three discs. But on the record, he's talking. The minister or whatever the priest is talking about, there's three different books. [00:24:46] Speaker A: I thought they were talking about the vinyl 1, 2, and 3. [00:24:48] Speaker C: No, yeah, they're talking about the. The three books, which makes this canon and a freaking Evil Dead movie universe. Because we have the Facebook, we have the remake book, and now we have this book and they're in different places. [00:25:03] Speaker B: We see three different books in army of Darkness. [00:25:06] Speaker C: And that's the other thing is army of Darkness kind of has that moment where he's like picking of the three books, which kind of. This movie kind of integrates that in In a way that there's three different Evil Dead books throughout the world that this can happen, and Demon Deadites will come from them. And that's why all the books look different. It's different flesh bound books, and they kind of work in their own different ways. [00:25:33] Speaker B: Okay, so that actually raises this movie up a little, tiny, tiny, tiny bit for me, because I just googled it and you're right. There are three books in canon for Evil Dead. So that's actually kind of cool because it really bothered me that this one had teeth and. No. Yeah. And looked so drastically different. Like, I understand. Like, they're not necessarily super connected and it is just kind of like artistic licensing or whatever. But it was just one of those things. Like, the goddamn book has teeth, kid. Why are you trying to open it? I don't understand. [00:26:00] Speaker C: Just finger open it. [00:26:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, oh, kids are so stupid in movies. [00:26:05] Speaker A: And in army of Darkness, one of those books had teeth and bit Bruce Campbell. So it's an illusion. Right. And there were several illusions, or at least relations to some of the source material. We have a chainsaw. We have not necessarily raining blood, but when the deadeye goes into the wood chipper, there is a blood explosion that comes down and completely saturates her. So we've got that huge. The elevator filling with blood. This gratuitous use of massive amounts of blood, which has been through the entire franchise. We didn't have a necklace. We didn't have a necklace that formed a skeleton. A skeleton. When it laid on the ground. We didn't have the eyepiece. I'm fine with that. That's fine. It was there. I didn't. I didn't see anything like that. [00:26:54] Speaker C: But it was a shotgun. [00:26:55] Speaker A: There was a shotgun. It wasn't used gratuitously, but it was there. Yeah. We didn't have anybody lose a hand, did we? [00:27:04] Speaker C: No. I mean, Beth did kind of gratuitously shoot her sister's arm and legal limb. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:13] Speaker B: Not a hero. A hero didn't. [00:27:14] Speaker C: No, the hero didn't. Yeah, they did. They didn't separate that. Although they did add when Bridget got the ink that the ink spread, kind of like when it spread in Ash's hand. [00:27:27] Speaker A: Right. [00:27:27] Speaker C: And that's the same kind of veiny. [00:27:29] Speaker A: Look, the mother, Ellie, she. She did it to herself to get her blood on it and then inked her with her own blood to spread it. [00:27:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:36] Speaker A: Which is interesting. So talking about some bodily dismemberment we had previous to this movie, we had three ways to kill a deadite and what happened in this movie. All. All three ways were expunged. And yeah, he specifically says on the recording, I bathed them in fire and they laughed it off. Doesn't work. And then he said, I chopped and I chopped and I chopped and I failed. The, the pieces just reanimated and kept coming. And we saw that with them they made a giant Deadite creature thing. Right. And she put the, her whole family in the wood chipper and mulched it to goo. But remember, we still had some Deadites back up on the eighth floor. [00:28:25] Speaker B: Well. And the demon persisted. [00:28:27] Speaker A: And the demon persisted. Yeah. [00:28:32] Speaker B: So the rules were blown up in this one show. I will sit with any rules you want to make in a movie, but you have to live with the rules you make. And when you change them, it drives me insane. And everything in this movie was changing rules and it was just like, oh, really? [00:28:48] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, devil's advocate. Devil. Haha. The only, the only counter argument I can even throw out there off the top of my head is each book has its own rules. [00:29:04] Speaker B: Somebody just said that in chat. So. [00:29:05] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, because the, the sec. The remake, Evil Dead had different rules than the original Evil Deads in the book slightly. And now this one pretty much just gets rid of the rules. It's like, how do you expunge these demons? [00:29:20] Speaker B: Like, I don't know. [00:29:22] Speaker C: So I'm. I'm not sure. But that's like the only reason. But again, it's hard, it's hard to deal with when you're watching the franchise because you love the franchise or because you're forced to watch it in Dan's case. [00:29:36] Speaker A: So. [00:29:38] Speaker C: It'S, it's, it's hard when they just change it. Yeah, it's hard when they change it up like that without, without a lot of reason for it. And I think the reason for it is like this, this Evil Dead Rise specifically is a reboot or a refresh. The director, slash writer, took it in their own direction more and maybe was given more opportunity to do so. Sam Raimi did not help on the script for this one, whereas I believe he helped on the script for the Evil Dead remake. And the Evil Dead remake felt like more of a. Almost like a tribute to the original, being like, we want to remake it, it was a great movie. We want to just update it and make it bloodier and gorier because we have the budget to do so. Whereas this one I felt like was more of a reimagining. They added. And that's why they added the third book and Made it a three book cycle so that they could make it their own Evil Dead in the way they wanted it to play out. And I think that allowed it the freedom to do a lot of things, like different rules, different landscapes. But it also somewhat takes away from the wonderfulness that we know and love about the Evil Dead franchise. So it is, you know, maybe some people are into that, maybe some people aren't. Obviously two people here really aren't into it. [00:31:05] Speaker A: I, I think had they just simply shown like a little more clearly stated there's three books and each book has its own rules, I would have been like, sweet, you explained it. I can now allow myself to believe this. It would have been fine. There was none of that explanation in it. So for me it was changing the rules and I didn't like that. I didn't catch that there were three books. That does help. This book or this, this movie has to come up a long ways for me. And that only moved it a little bit. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I would agree if it was in the movie a little bit more clearly that yes, there are three books and we've read book number two and it says you can burn them, you can dismember them, you can bury them, and it's not working for these ones. This is clearly a different kind of demon. If it explained to that in some way, I would have given it a lot more leeway. And this is like, oh, okay, new rule set. I still would have liked there to have been a rule set. I, I like it when, I like, I like it when movies fight something that has, is defeatable as opposed to just this like, monster that is insurmountable. That'll just like, oh, you killed me. Cool. I'm just gonna move over to that body and keep going. That just kind of takes me out of it. Well, there's no way to win then. Why bother? That's just me. That's just a personal thing. That's not like a super knock against the movie. That's just for my own enjoyment. That does lower it a little bit. But we've been riding on this movie pretty hard. I want to talk about some of the things I actually did like about this movie because it wasn't all bad for me. We mentioned the cabin scene at the very beginning, which felt super unnecessary. But I do have to say one of my favorite. I'm gonna say scenes, but it's more of like just a camera angle, like when the woman was like levitating out of the water against the horizon and then you see the title, Come up over the Mountains. I was like. Me and my buddy both were just like, that's cool. That's actually really well done. And then I went red, and it kind of went super bloody. I'm like, okay, you went too far. But, like, for a second there, it was perfect. I'm like, a. [00:32:57] Speaker C: Like, such a useless opener. Almost worth it for that title scene alone because it was, like, so cool, but it was so unnecessary. The first 10 minutes and the last 10 minutes of this movie. [00:33:09] Speaker B: I'm also super curious. I want to look up Weathering Heights and see if those actually are passages from the book because they felt super creepy for what I assume Weathering Heights is. But I. I have no idea the under. Okay, so the earthquake scene was kind of scary as something other than Evil Dead. And the bank vaults underneath with, like, the coffin with the. The rosary rosaries, the little things hanging. [00:33:35] Speaker A: Down from the ceiling, all the pendants. [00:33:37] Speaker B: And stuff, all those hanging down. Like, that was all super creepy and really cool. Again, I wouldn't have had the balls that kid had to go down there and start looking around for stuff. It made me almost think it was gonna be, like, a vampire down there. The way there was, like, a giant, like, sarcophagus. But I was okay with that being okay. That's how they're gonna find the book. I actually thought it was kind of a cool idea. Like, if you have the Book of the Dead, what do you do with it in modern times? You can't bury it in the middle of a city. I'm gonna take you to a bank, put it in a lockbox. Nobody can open that lockbox but me. That's kind of a cool idea. That's an original thought on what to do with this book. Other than just, like, burying it or putting it in a cabin or trying to burn it. I kind of liked that. That was actually. That worked for me quite a bit. That whole scene was kind of cool, with the exception of the earthquake, how it was, like, kind of traveling along, and all of a sudden there was a hole that they went down through. My brain instantly went to, like, those old Bug Bunny cartoons where he gets lost going on his way to Albuquerque or something. There's, like, tunneling along and, like, pops up in the middle of nowhere. I'm like, okay, we got an evil dead Bugs Bunny. Cool. I'm not here for that, but sure, here I am. [00:34:38] Speaker A: I felt it was strange that there was a bank vault, a underneath this building housing this. [00:34:44] Speaker B: They mentioned multiple times that it is an abandoned bank, like the apartment building? [00:34:47] Speaker C: Yeah, it was, like, converted. [00:34:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Just. I don't know. Still just seemed kind of weird. Like they're demolishing the building and there's a bolt, a vent, a bolt, a bank vault underneath it. And no one thinks, hey, I'm going to go open those safety deposit boxes and see if there's anything left in there before we knock this building down. [00:35:08] Speaker C: Like, Danny thought of it. [00:35:10] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Didn't work out well for him, I guess. Kind of sketchy. [00:35:15] Speaker B: Well, I wonder if the church bought the bank and then purposefully abandoned the building and then as the church forgot about it, it got repurposed by the city or something like that. And that's not in the movie. [00:35:25] Speaker A: I would have appreciated that storytelling instead of the kids at the lake in the beginning. Like, I would have appreciated something more like that instead of the woman getting, you know, scalped. It was not, for me, totally fair. [00:35:39] Speaker B: And I agree with that. I would have loved more time with the family. So you care more about them instead of three random strangers. [00:35:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. There was, like, each other one scene before dinner that they kind of chatted a little bit with Beth, kind of trying to catch up, being like, I brought you gifts and oh, the dad's not here anymore. It was like too little to make a difference of, like, oh, we care about these characters now. But you guys kind of ragged on Danny and his, like, little, little scratching records. But I do think it made for some of the best, like, audio in the movie when they're. When he's playing the records, that old timey sound and. And the talking in the records. I thought that whole sequence sounded really cool with the records. I thought it was very, very fun. Sounded great. And a little Easter egg. There's a voice in the. In the record. I don't know if you guys caught it or not, but I didn't catch it. Yeah, it says destroy it. It's called the Book of the Dead for a reason. That's our boy, Bruce Campbell yelling that line in the background. So I thought that was a fun little. Fun little Easter egg that they threw in there. But I really like the sound in. In those. Like, they had to speed up the records because they were old records. They played at different speeds. [00:36:58] Speaker A: I thought it was really also made for. [00:37:00] Speaker B: I don't have a problem with the fact that he was a dj. And I thought that you're right. The sound of that was really good. I was more commenting on the fact that that's literally all we know about him. [00:37:08] Speaker C: No, for sure. [00:37:09] Speaker A: And there were multiple ways that we could have had a turntable in there. She was an audio technician, not a groupie. And she could have brought it. We could have developed his character more about him being a dj, Anything. I don't know any. Any different way. It felt like they made him a DJ just to put that turntable in there. However, I'm glad the turntable was in there because of the. The audio sounds, the creepy vinyl scratching. And there was a scene when. Let's see, who was it? It was not. [00:37:45] Speaker C: Ellie. [00:37:46] Speaker A: Yeah, Ellie. Okay. [00:37:47] Speaker B: Ellie's the moment. [00:37:49] Speaker A: Beth. No, it's Beth. [00:37:50] Speaker C: They're okay. [00:37:50] Speaker A: I was getting mixed up. Beth is listening on the headphones and Ellie is climbing across the wall behind her. It was a very creepy scene. I liked the lighting in that. I like the camera angle in that. There was some great cinematography all around in this movie. There was some weird cinematography, too, but I liked a lot of the shots that they did and. And having the headphones on and having her like, you know, don't split the party. We know you don't split the party in a horror movie. And they split the party and you're like, oh, shit's gonna go down. And I love it. It was a great classic, you know, scene when. When things are going on and she's unaware of it. And that's how you make somebody unaware of crazy stuff happening in the next room in a tiny, flimsy old apartment. You put those headphones on. So it was a great mechanic to process those scenes. And. And I. I like that there was a scene. [00:38:39] Speaker B: They used the bathtub a couple of times to interesting effect. But there was a scene at the beginning where Beth is having a little bit of bonding time with Cassie. And Cassie's like, oh, I have to be able to look under the water or else, you know, because a jellyfish bit me and I. I'm scared. And she reaches her hand down and you get this angle that's, like, kind of in the water looking up at her as if something is down there. We know there's not. It's too early in the movie for that. But you kind of get the angle of, like, her dipping her fingers in the water and looking up at her. And I was like, that's. That's actually super cool. A little bit later in the movie when you know there is an evil in the air would have been, like, a little bit more effective because it does really look like you're coming from somebody's point of view. But I thought that Was really cool. However, I do want to say, as far as she wanting to be a parent traumatizing a kid about something they're telling you they're already traumatized about, Probably a bad parenting move. I'm just throwing that out there. [00:39:28] Speaker A: Well, we know that, but young people who don't have kids that are going to go see this movie maybe don't understand that. [00:39:35] Speaker B: Well. [00:39:35] Speaker C: And I think the character didn't know that. [00:39:37] Speaker A: I think that was part of. [00:39:39] Speaker C: Right. [00:39:39] Speaker B: Oh, I. I'm just. I'm. I'm letting the audience know, like, if you're. For you guys as parents, don't traumatize kids when they're already talking about being traumatized by something. Clearly, Beth is not good parenting material at that point in the film. [00:39:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Now run was talking about, like, cool shots, and you were talking about cool shots. What did you guys think about this? The use of the peephole in the door and seeing the scenes unfold there? [00:40:07] Speaker B: I thought cooler shots. [00:40:08] Speaker C: Yeah, I thought it was really cool, too. And I thought it was really fun seeing the deadite take out. I mean, sure, they're just these random people. It's like poor suckers. But, like seeing it off and like just hearing it and not seeing everything and then a body flying into frame. I thought it was like a really impactful way to do it, like narrowing our viewpoint so that we don't know what's going to happen next. I thought that was a really fun take. [00:40:33] Speaker A: We've talked about this in previous episodes, and if you want to watch that links in the description below. We've talked about that before. The use of imagination. What you don't see can sometimes be even scarier. And it was a great way. That stuff that's happening off scene and you just hear the sounds that, you know, that really kind of brought up the scoring score for me, allowing me to listen in and imagine what's taking place in off the set. Also, Ellie does an amazing job walking up to that peephole and looking into it. Real creepy scene. Being able to bring that all the way into that camera lens was incredible. And then sometimes you see somebody looking through the peephole and you're back, you know, behind them, and you're waiting for something to smash into the door or break through the door or something. And it really kind of raises the intensity. You're not even looking through the people anymore. You're looking at someone look through the people. So that whole mechanic was amazing and used really well in this movie. [00:41:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. The people mechanic Was really, really cool. And my friend had a good point. You don't often see kids get murdered in movies like this. And the way that she just ripped apart the neighbors and, like, threw them against a wall was, like, violent and effective without being super gory or focusing on it too much. Like, it was just a really good. Like, the fact that the lens was warped kind of made it all a little bit less real, so you could kind of do that without it being as horrific. I did feel like this movie just in general did tone down the gore significantly from the previous one, which I actually appreciated quite a bit. There's still a lot of blood and guts and whatnot, but there weren't as many, like, visceral scenes that got a reaction from here. I'm like, oh, I can't watch this. What did you guys think about that? Did you do. Did the deaths make you cringe in the same way the remake did? Like, I think the cheese grater scene was the only one where I, like, looked away from the screen. [00:42:29] Speaker C: I think they pulled away in this one a lot more, which was fine. Like, the cheese grater is a prime example. Like, you see the cheese grater go down, but you don't actually see, like, the whole thing happen. You don't see that leg getting graded. Whereas, like, the Evil Dead remake, they would have just been grating on that leg until it was bone. Right. And I appreciate that because it. You don't need just straight out gore all the time. There's plenty of gore in this movie, but some of that is just, like, the thought of it gives you the chill. You don't need to see it. That's just like, over the top. That's what Dan loves, torture porn. So I. I didn't mind that. Oh, yeah, but you love it. And then there's. There's also the glass eating, which is like, again, you know how glass works. Just the idea of it, even though she said some cheesy lines during it, and that kind of takes you out, I think purposely the cheesy lines were in there. I think there's some cheesy lines in this movie purposely put in to lighten the dark. I feel that way, but I don't think all of them kind of connected. [00:43:37] Speaker A: I felt they were in there to contrast the dark. [00:43:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:40] Speaker A: You know, I don't like things in my tummy tum or whatever. And it's kind of. Kind of silly, kind of creepy, kind of childish. And she's eating glass. Yeah, like, but. [00:43:51] Speaker C: Yeah, but the idea of eating glass Totally. Like, you feel that you're like, oh, this is horrible. This is horrible. So, like, even though it's not like you. You see everything getting tore up and blood everywhere, you know that swallowing glass is going to be brutal. And so I thought, I, I enjoyed that. They thought of different ways to, like, make you squirmish without just vomiting blood on you for 10 minutes. [00:44:14] Speaker A: We did have a vomit scene, but it was very disgusting. Very. [00:44:18] Speaker C: It was gross. [00:44:19] Speaker A: I didn't, you know, that glass scene, I didn't like when they zoomed in on the glass. [00:44:23] Speaker C: Unnecessary. [00:44:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it was unnecessary. And. And it looked unrealistic. I thought her just eating the glass was fantastic and that should have been where it kind of ended. [00:44:35] Speaker C: And again, the sound effects really sound sell it, right? [00:44:38] Speaker B: Yeah, the sound was worse than anything else. There were worse than, like. Like it was effective, I guess. [00:44:45] Speaker C: Yes, yes. I mean, now I also appreciate in this movie things how we're trying to keep positive things coming just temporarily again. And I appreciate this. It's kind of like. And I think the producers, AKA Raimi, Bruce Campbell and what's his name, the third, I think they are like, you can make this movie, but you have to use practical effects. They're all about it. And this movie is in the same vein. Very much practical effects, to the point where Ellie, Alyssa, did most of her own stunts in this movie. There wasn't a lot of, like, oh, she practiced her movements and everything. So, like, it looked great because it, it was real. And a lot of the effects look great because they were real. They filled that elevator with blood, which looked incredible. It was a super fun scene to watch. So I, as always, appreciate all the practical effects and this movie sha in that way as well. [00:45:47] Speaker A: And I agree wholeheartedly on the practical effects. And then they did what a lot of movies do, which is have a CGI orgasmic finish. However, we had a monster made up of people. It had to be cgi. However, they put that monster in the shadows for a lot of it and you used your imagination and you heard the wet slapping sound of skin and palm pushing this thing along the floor and you saw its silhouette. And I think that was a fantastic way to. To. To use as little CGI as possible for something that required it. And you didn't really see much of it until it was in the light being shoved down a wood chipper where gore is flying everywhere. So it was a really fantastic use of CGI when they did need to use it in the way that they used it. [00:46:42] Speaker C: Agreed. [00:46:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I really Appreciated the subtlety with that, where they didn't just show it to you instantly. Like, famously, one of the reasons Jaws works as well as it did is because you don't see. See the shark for most of the movie, because once you do, it's just a shark. Like, when. When you know it's a shark but you don't see it, your imagination can kind of run wild. Same with Alien, let's say, which is next week. You don't see it for so long, so your brain is just like, what could it be? What could it be? What could it be? So that amalgamation monster, the fact that they didn't just, like, instantly, here's the full body thing, because they could have just like, okay, it built itself in the hallway. And then it's just like, you see the whole thing instantly and just be like, okay, that's what it is. But you just kind of, like, see it in the shadows, see it move really quickly, see, like, a couple of hands walking along. They did a really good job of just, like, prolonging that terror. And you're right, it had to be CG for that one. And I. I forgive them for that because how else do you do something like that? It's an interesting idea. I. I just appreciate that they held off for as long as they did 100. I don't know. I didn't. [00:47:44] Speaker C: I didn't hate this movie like you guys did. I. I don't know if you hated it, but you didn't seem thrilled by it. It was a. I think it was a solid attempt at a refresh on the storytelling and of an Evil Dead movie, you know, sure. It was like a first attempt, and hopefully down the line we'll get better attempts. It made me feel like the possibility of. Similar to what we thought of Predator. You could plop this book into different situations and see how different people throughout different times deal with the Deadites or get destroyed by the Deadites. And I. I like that possibility and look forward to hopefully them taking advantage of that. Because there's three different books. They can be in all kinds of different scenarios with those books with different groups of people and how they react to the. To the demons. And I think that's kind of an interesting, fun way to open up this franchise to further its life or it's Deadite. [00:48:53] Speaker B: I understand what you're saying, and I do appreciate, now that I know that there are three books that that is an option they could build towards. And they could even try and have, like, the books try to work towards Getting together to do God knows what where the 1981 Evil Dead felt original. Everything about this movie felt rehashed and redone and just like, I've seen this, I've done this, we've been through here. Like, everything about it just felt samey. Like, not even necessarily the Evil Dead franchise, but just the horror movies in general right now. Right. Like Evil Dead 1, you can watch it now and be like, oh, it's just a cabin in the middle of the woods trope. But there wasn't a trope about that before that movie. Like that. [00:49:33] Speaker C: That made the trope. Yeah, right. [00:49:35] Speaker B: The cabin in the woods. Whereas, like, everything in this one is just like, oh, yeah, demonic possession. [00:49:40] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, Evil Dead. The remake, it felt original in its own way and paid homage to the source material. Whereas in this one, it felt like they were kind of just doing the same thing, but it happened to be in a building and with some really poorly developed characters. [00:49:57] Speaker B: We have to tick these boxes and things have to die. [00:50:01] Speaker C: I kind of feel the opposite of you run. I feel like this one was a fresher take, whereas the other one was like a literal reshot. Aside from, oh, my sister has a drug problem. But in the first one, it's still his. He brings his sister to the cabin. Like, it's the exact same group of people, except for there's drugs now involved. [00:50:23] Speaker A: Okay. [00:50:24] Speaker B: Like, that legit does add something pretty significant to that one, though. [00:50:27] Speaker C: I think it does help make it, like, feel fresh. But maybe, maybe, imperatively speaking, it's. It's. It's shot for shot remake. Whereas this one is at least trying something new. New location, new book, new everything. Like, aside from, oh, it's got to have dead aids, it's got to have chainsaw, it's got to have shotgun, it's gotta have, you know, it's gotta still hit those marks to be an Evil Dead movie, which is partly like the fans. [00:50:50] Speaker A: In the words of Dan, that's fair. [00:50:55] Speaker B: I threw one at you just to see if you pick up and you didn't have any reactions. Like, all right. [00:50:58] Speaker A: Oh, I picked up on the first one. Maybe you didn't even notice you did it. [00:51:01] Speaker B: That's also possible. Yes, that's also possible. Like, is it going to be into a drinking game every time I say it? [00:51:08] Speaker A: Maybe because I have such a visceral repulsion to the child actors in this one. [00:51:14] Speaker C: Right. [00:51:14] Speaker A: To the flimsy character writing. Maybe I'm giving it a bad shot. I do appreciate that they did new stuff, but I kind of feel like the remake paid homage to the source material and I was hoping for some fresher writing, I guess. And this one felt like, let's just put it in a building and see what happens. And the only thing good that came out of it was that you had a mother of children who became the deadite and did a fantastic job. And you had the dynamic of parenting going in here. That made it hard for me as a parent to watch and made. Even though they pulled back from some of the gore, it still made it even harder for me to watch than the previous movie. In some ways it's just the type of scare, the type of gore that you get into. For me, murdering children is not something I want to watch and it's very. [00:52:13] Speaker C: Rare in any horror movie. So like this one actually took the plunge on that and it's like, okay, we're going to back off on some of the other like extreme gore. But like this more than made up for it for me too. [00:52:23] Speaker A: But this franchise has had some really edgy stuff too. We've had women being violated by trees, graphically violated. That's some really edgy stuff too. We didn't have that. I mean we came awful close. We had the cables in the elevator, but it didn't go there. [00:52:41] Speaker C: It was an homage too. [00:52:43] Speaker B: And. [00:52:43] Speaker C: And Ellie actually had the. Did you guys notice the vine tattoos on Ellie? [00:52:47] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't see that. [00:52:48] Speaker C: Yeah, she has vine tattoos on her arms and I think some on her leg as well. [00:52:52] Speaker A: So. [00:52:52] Speaker C: Which was a kind of a cool tribute to the original as well, which is kind of fun. [00:52:56] Speaker A: Do you guys, do you guys think that having eight different executive producers might have been problematic in making this film? It felt like. It felt at time. We've seen this worse in other films, but it felt like there was maybe a lot going on and a nod, not enough development on some of the things that they were trying for. And I'm wondering if that might have been it. You guys talked about like producer notes or something that have get passed around and they're like, oh, we have to do this and. And they throw extra stuff in that shouldn't be put in. I'm wondering if something similar like that might have happened to this film. [00:53:31] Speaker B: I almost wonder if this was a two hour movie and they were told make it an hour and a half because it feels like there's probably a lot of stuff in there that we just didn't quite get a chance to see or didn't get fleshed out as well as they could. Like there is. They Make a point of showing that both of the sisters know how to solder and are good with electronics. Doesn't really matter in the movie. Doesn't really come up. But, like, why. Why are we seeing her fix her tattoo gun and then her sister can fix the stereo to work off batteries? Like, I don't know that I need that to play it out. But also, like, why are you showing this? Like, there's. It just felt unnecessary. The fact that no character had much going on in their lives felt kind of like, I just don't care about these people. Like, I feel like you could have made this movie an extra 20 minutes longer. Get rid of the cabin scene and. And give me more with the family and flesh those characters out a little bit so that I care about them. When they start dropping, we see a bunch of the neighbors for, like, a line where they're like, oh, clearly these two boys have a crush on the girl. Clearly this guy lives down the hall and has a shotgun. [00:54:32] Speaker C: Yeah. It's just set up for later events, right? [00:54:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:35] Speaker C: Just literally, oh, my cat's in the vent. You know exactly what's gonna happen later in the vents. [00:54:39] Speaker B: Right. I'll admit, I didn't. I. I thought she was gonna infect the cat and have the cat infect somebody. I didn't realize she was gonna come through the vent. Okay. [00:54:46] Speaker C: Yeah, fair. [00:54:47] Speaker A: Well, some Cemetery four. [00:54:49] Speaker B: Well, I didn't realize event would be big enough for a human. It was. It was Die Hard. Right? [00:54:52] Speaker C: Right. [00:54:53] Speaker B: Most old houses don't have vents that huge. [00:54:56] Speaker A: I think what Will said earlier with it being bookends of the cabin to try and advertise a relation to the other. Other movies and stuff, was maybe what they were going for. And they shouldn't have. They should have just left that out. They should have let us know more that, hey, this is a different book and has different rules, and we're going to do it in a different location and then add to the character development. Give me people I can relate to and give me reasons why I care about them instead of hoping that they will die and just stay dead early on in the film. I. I think that would have made a much better experience for me to enjoy in this film rather than what we did get, which just didn't feel fleshed out enough. Felt like they forced a couple of things. Not too many things, but a couple of things that just didn't need to be in there. Their attempts at foreshadowing sometimes worked, as in with when she dipped her fingers in the water, you Talked about that ain't that camera angle, Dan. I liked that. And I felt that that made the bathroom scene more scary when they put her in the tub. Because it all like we had an appetizer for that scene. We already had the idea of something scary in the water. And then they put their deadite mother in the bathtub. And now you're like, I know there's something scary in the water now. And it made it work. Other times, like you said, with, with the tattoo gun and stuff and the turntable and there was just things where we just need a quick reference or line of dialogue so that this item can be placed in for this upcoming scene. And it didn't, didn't really feel all that great. [00:56:29] Speaker B: Fair enough. Do you guys have anything else to go on or do you want to move into our final thoughts? [00:56:34] Speaker C: I just want to say, I just want to say one quick thing about this run. I, I am always quick to blame the big wig Hollywood producers for ruining things. I feel like this movie is the opposite. Again, I love that Sam Raimi takes risks and goes off of new directors. Again, this director, what's his name? Cronin? Yeah, he, this was like his second movie. His first movie was like called A Hole or something. I don't know, a big hole. I can't remember what it's called. Anyway, I've never saw it. But anyway, again, new director, fresh up and coming. And I love that Raimi's like, yeah, let's give this guy a shot. Let's give this person a shot. But I feel like it kind of bit them in the script in this one because Raimi wasn't, I don't think at all a part of overviewing the script. So I think they just let him do this. And maybe that's where some of the pitfalls became apparent, is in his lack of experience. Again, maybe the bookends of the cabin were a production thing, being like, we need, we need to promote this cabin. Nobody knows it's going to be Evil Dead if it's not in a cabin. That could ring true. But a lot of the other stuff, I feel like it was maybe inexperience in writing. And can I just say, this movie was like, about two female sisters. Why is everything written by men? Maybe that's part of the problem. [00:58:03] Speaker A: That's a solid point. See, when you say it could be a writing issue, I'm like, okay, but we had such great writing with Ellie's character. Why are all the other characters so poorly written? And I, I, I genuinely don't know whether it's production, whether it's direction, whether it's writing, you know, script, plot. I don't, I just don't know. I, I, I, I'm just the, the, the middle guy that watches movies and comes in here and gives him a thumbs up or thumbs down. So I'm, I'm curious why these variations in character development like that. Because Ellie for me, made this movie worth watching. If you're a fan of Evil Dead, if you're a fan of this franchise, she made this movie worth watching. [00:58:46] Speaker C: I think she makes it worthwhile. If you're not an Evil Dead franchise fan. [00:58:50] Speaker A: If, if you're into this kind of horror and gore. Definitely, definitely her, her sequences are amazing and genuinely worth, worth a look. But there's much to be desired in the rest of the film. [00:59:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I think Alyssa, Southerfield, Sutherland. Sorry. I think her acting carries a good chunk of this. I think the look of her carries a good chunk of this. I'm not even convinced the writing for her is that amazing. I mean, she's got some good lines, but if you put them in a lesser actor, those lines are pretty bad. Right. Like, I, Sorry, I'm just harping on the act of the, the characters in this movie. But anyways, let's jump to the, the final thoughts. [00:59:30] Speaker C: Let's rank this puppy. You guys are gonna drive this into the ground. Well, deep into the bank vault. [00:59:35] Speaker B: We're gonna rank this one and then we'll jump to our thoughts on the, the franchise as a whole and our final score and move on from there. Will do you want to start us off on this? [00:59:43] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll start us off on a nice high note and you guys can plummet it after I, that's the plan. [00:59:48] Speaker B: Yes. [00:59:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I didn't hate this movie. I think as far as, like an Evil Dead movie, it hit all the marks it's supposed to. And I kind of felt, and I said it, I felt it was nice that it was able to live in its own and kind of recreate the Evil Dead a little bit and, and leave us an opening to allow Evil Dead to move forward in newer, maybe less confined ways, AKA in a cabin with five friends. That said, there was tons of problems with the script, the bookends were horrible, but I didn't, I didn't hate the acting as much as you guys. I mean, the lead, obviously, Ellie, was incredible, and so I, I just couldn't not give it a decent score for that alone. And I think the gore and the real Effects, it all. It all hit in a good light for me and I feel like it. It's kind of an average Evil Dead movie. And I'm going to say more about that when I talk about the whole franchise. So overall, as a horror movie, as an Evil Dead franchise movie, I think it's not bad. I gave it a 71 out of 100. [01:01:07] Speaker B: All right. Will you. Brian? Sorry. Do you want to go next? [01:01:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. For me, the plot, the acting, some of the direction was kind of the weak point points in this film. They kind of really brought down my score. The. The special effects, practical effects were spot on. Well used as always in this franchise. Even when these. When. When Sam Raimi and going forward were learning how to do things from the very beginning, the. The practical effects have been fantastic throughout this franchise. That's a high point in this franchise and high praise for this franchise because of their practical effects. And this one encouraged a little bit of the special effects and it was well used in. In its. How do you say it? In its lack of special effects, in the way that they use them was done perfectly. I thought that really brought this film up. Of course, we talk about Ellie and her character. The way it's scripted and her ability to portray a dead eye was, in my opinion, the best deadite of the entire franchise. I don't think any other Deadite in the franchise comes close. She was scary and she made this movie worthwhile for me. That being said, everything else in this film I just didn't enjoy. I cringed. I wanted it to be over with. There were a few. There were a few things, like you guys mentioned the cheese grater. I didn't think the cheese grater scene looked cool enough. I guess they did show a little bit of it scratching the leg, and I guess I kind of wanted a little bit more gore on that one. There were a couple little things like that that I could pick apart, but for the most part, it's pretty good. Does this movie hold up? I guess. I guess it holds up. I think it opens up, like Clean said, it opens up more avenues for where this franchise could go. I would definitely be willing to watch future movies. I would hope that something on down the Line would help to maybe clarify and restructure because we got a little warbly with the rules on this one and they weren't exactly crystal clear on how things worked. And for some of us nitpicky people, we like to know why Neo can dodge bullets. So you got to explain it really well. Was it fun for me no, there was a lot of torturing children and murdering children and children murdering each other and stabbing and lots of children being covered in blood and witnessing horrible acts. And as a parent, it was just too much for me. The last time I saw this, I think. [01:03:51] Speaker B: I don't remember. [01:03:52] Speaker A: When did this movie come out? Before my kids were born, probably. [01:03:55] Speaker C: This is a year old. No, it's a year old. [01:03:57] Speaker A: Is it really came out last year? Okay, maybe. I don't know. I don't remember being so offended by it when I first saw it, but. But this time around, I don't know. Maybe I've got a better relationship with my. With my kids since I'm actually home with them more often. It bothered me. It made it hard for me to watch. I did like the dynamic of the mother being the evil creature and the family having to deal with that horror. That's something kind of new and edgy. And I. I appreciate them going for it. Not my cup of tea made it kind of hard for me to watch. Honestly, though, the. The brother, sister kids just really, just. Just ruined this movie for me and. And brought this score down a lot. The sloppy character development on everybody around Ellie was. Was really, really hard for me to get over. Anyway, my total score came out at 59. This one really kind of came down for me. [01:04:57] Speaker B: All right, for me. Evil Dead Rise. The sound effects in this one, you had a good point. Like, the record playing was all really, really cool. The Deadites sounded. Well, Ellie sounded fantastic. A lot of the music was just creepy enough. Like, it kind of all worked for me. The other Deadites, however, I thought all sounded really, really silly. I didn't really like any of their voices. Specifically Bridget. I think it is when she's like, there's something in my tummies. Just drove me crazy. But even in the hallway scene, when they're all laying there, they all had, like, the same kind of auto tune or something on their voices. It just didn't sound right to me. Ellie was incredible, though. Like, all the props in the world for Alyssa Sutherland. I'm gonna get her name wrong the entire time. Despite the fact that I'm praising her. The cinematography in this movie is probably the absolute high point for me. This movie looked incredible. I say cinematography. I mean kind of everything, though. Like, the aesthetic of the building was kind of new and different, and I like that significantly more than just being at the cabin again. I thought that looked really cool. There's some amazing shots like we talked about, with her levitating out of the water. The bathtub. I thought the entire bank vault scene was really, really cool. The. The fisheye lens of being in the hallway, they went back to that over and over again. But it looked good every single time. I thought the. The look of this movie was incredible. The blood and gore was over the top. But it's. It's Evil Dead. It's supposed to be. That's kind of what you're in for if you're watching one of these movies. So you kind of have to just take that as part and me, pardon, parcel with it. The homage to. I have to assume it's an homage to the Shining with the elevator full of blood was cool to actually see filling up and people in there, as opposed to the Shining where it kind of opens and the blood flows out. But I still thought that was incredibly cool to do. And the fact they did do that, practically, I give. To give them huge props for that. The acting in this movie is. I mean, I'm gonna say acting. It kind of rolls into plot and character development. I've hit on the same. I've hit this nail a lot tonight. I'm not going to go too hard into it, but Elisa Sutherland, absolutely incredible. Everybody else just didn't get enough to do. A lot of their scenes were just them looking horrified of what was happening or running away. You don't really learn anything about these characters. I don't care about these characters. You know, Ellie is the bad person. She's on all the posters. Other than that, you don't. Like, halfway through the movie, I didn't know who the main character was or who I'm supposed to be rooting for. None of these characters have anything going on that I care about. You know, literally one thing about every single one of them, and that's it. And it just wasn't enough for me to care about them. And because they weren't actors I recognized, I can't. I don't have that instinctive affection for them that you do in other franchises. When they bring in like an Arnold Schwarzenegger or something. You just like instantly like, oh, it's an Arnold movie. Cool. I'm in. The plot on this one did nothing for me. Like, I. It just felt so rehashed and just dry. It felt like they were just going back to the well again. When you watch something like the original Evil Dead or Star wars or Citizen Kane, even if they're not your bag, you kind of have to appreciate what they did at the time that they came out and how they changed cinema when they Came out. And then you watch something like this and you're like, it doesn't have any of that going for it. It just feels like every other horror movie made in the 2020s. It didn't feel unique in any way. It didn't feel great. Great in any way other than, again, like, the look of the main actress was just super creepy and on point. But that can only take a movie so far. As far as just like, oh, look, they found the book again. Oh, look, a kid's stupid enough to read it again. Like, the book's got goddamn teeth. Why are you trying to open this thing? It just. It just drove me in crazy how. Like, I guess that's, again, point of the Evil Dead franchise. Just, you've got somebody really stupid who's maybe compelled to read the book in some capacity. Capacity. If a book's got teeth and it doesn't want you to open it, like, you can't open it with a crowbar. Don't open it like this. [01:08:36] Speaker A: Oh. [01:08:37] Speaker B: Anyways, my overall enjoyment of this movie, I don't know. I wasn't bored. I was watching it the entire time. I enjoyed it enough to keep going. I can't imagine there's anything in this that's going to make me want to go back to it. And I'm probably going to forget large chunks of this movie inside of six months. Like, just. I can't imagine any of this really sticking with me in the same way that the remake will stick with me where, like, that tongue scene is going to have a visceral reaction from me for quite some time in a way that, like, army of Darkness sticks with you because it's so quotable and fun to watch in the way that, like, the. The original sticks with you because it was an original movie, it had an original concept. There's just nothing in this one for me. That being said, some of the technical aspects were still good enough. It still brought it up high enough. This one got a 52 for many. [01:09:24] Speaker C: Nice. [01:09:25] Speaker B: Now, that does make this the lowest. Oh, no, it doesn't. Never mind. So with a 52, it'll always be Highlander. No, no. I was gonna say it's the lowest in the franchise for him, but Evil Dead 2 failed horrendously for me. With that being said to the audience, we've got all the scores tallied up. I've got them on my screen. What do you think? Is Evil Dead going to surpass. Surpass Highlander and Predator to take the top spot? Is it going to land somewhere in the middle. Where are we thinking the scores are going to be on this one? Now that you've heard all of our scores on all of these movies, and I'm just going to throw this out there while you guys are typing, exclamation mark movies. If you haven't already, please go to the movie channel. Hit subscribe over there. It is a different channel than the gaming channel. It has this content on it. I'm hoping to make more movie based content on it. We are at 90 something subscribers. If we can hit 100, that would be a fantastic milestone to hit. So if you haven't, I really would appreciate you hitting over there, hitting the subscribe button. And if you're watching this, well, I'll probably cut this out before it gets edited and put up. But hitting like on the video and commenting on the video does help significantly for getting it out there and getting the word out there. The YouTube algorithm loves that kind of stuff. Makes it go to more people. So if you're able to, that'd be amazing. Other than that, let me know what you think this is gonna land. We've got hotep saying it better be better than Highlander. It is. Spoiler alert. It is. [01:10:49] Speaker C: I feel this might almost overtake. This might be our top movie franchise. It's gonna be damn close. [01:10:59] Speaker B: Yeah, you were. You guys are both a lot higher on this franchise than I am, which is interesting to me. [01:11:07] Speaker C: But yeah, I guess that's true. [01:11:09] Speaker A: Although I, I appreciate its origins and that carries a lot of weight for me. [01:11:17] Speaker C: Can I say, as a horror franchise, if we look at like a lot of horror franchises, Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, whatever, they get pretty bad. Like, and I feel Evil Dead as a whole has stayed pretty consistent. Like they make decent movies, I feel, in. In that, in that genre. Right. Like, I feel like they go like this, whereas other ones go like this throughout the franchise history. And I kind of appreciate that, that a lot of love and care goes into the Evil Dead. They choose directors that love and care, the originals. And I think that shows for the most part in all of the movies. [01:12:10] Speaker A: Never did they go for a cash grab. I don't think so. Where other franchises will just be like, hey, it's been a year, let's make another one. Evil Dead's like, no, we're going to wait until we have the right feel for this. Yeah. [01:12:24] Speaker C: Or somebody who we feel could, could do it justice in some way. [01:12:28] Speaker A: Maybe they could have baked this one a little longer. But it's true. [01:12:31] Speaker C: Yeah, it's true. I Mean, you can't always be buying 100. [01:12:34] Speaker B: But for all my complaints about this one, it made like 12 times its budget. Like, this was a hit. [01:12:41] Speaker C: Part of that reason though also is they are low budget movies compared to. [01:12:47] Speaker B: Are notoriously easy to do. Famously easy to do. Very, very low budget. Like a 12 million dollar budget is a huge chunk of why it was so successful. But you can get away with that with horror movies, right? Like you don't need a ton. [01:13:01] Speaker C: But I feel that plays well into Evil Dead because of the way it was set up. It was set up to be that way. And if you're into it, great, you're gonna love these movies. If you're not, you're Dan and you're just gonna wait for the next franchise to come along. [01:13:17] Speaker B: I'm not sad that I saw the franchise like I told you. Like I saw the trailers for the remake and I saw the trailers for Rise and I did think they both looked good. I had only seen the original trilogy back in like high school and I'd always kind of been like, I should revisit that and see if they're as bad as I remember. So I'm not sad that I re watched them. But yeah, re watch them. I can, I can definitely say this is not my franchise for sure. [01:13:38] Speaker C: But I feel like you're not a big horror movie fan in general. [01:13:42] Speaker B: That's pretty accurate. [01:13:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:13:45] Speaker B: Next week we were talking about getting together on Wednesday because next Thursday is Halloween. There will not be a show on Halloween. We've all got small kids. We're probably gonna be doing things with them, but we're talking about having an episode on Wednesday. Will was on the fence last we heard about from him. [01:13:57] Speaker C: If I'm over the fence, we're in. [01:13:59] Speaker B: All right, so next Wednesday, 9pm, we're gonna get together. Not going to be an episode of our rating, but we're just going to discuss some of our favorite French horror or scary movie franchises or movies in general. So that'll be a nice way to talk about some things that maybe we won't get to talk about in other situations or won't have to put ourselves through an entire franchise to talk about the one movie we like. So I'm looking forward to that. Will you come to a costume? [01:14:23] Speaker C: I will think about a costume. [01:14:24] Speaker B: Will will think about a costume. [01:14:26] Speaker A: I've got a costume. [01:14:28] Speaker B: I have a costume. In theory, I need to go find it, make sure everything still fits. But in theory, I have a costume I'm excited for. Anyways, let's Move on to the final thoughts of this franchise. [01:14:37] Speaker A: Yes. [01:14:38] Speaker B: Starting with our overall score for our rating. The score for the Evil Dead franchise comes in at a 67. Putting it in, I guess, second place behind that Predator and Mad Max. Not far off. Not far off. [01:14:54] Speaker C: It's still third place, but yeah, that's. [01:14:56] Speaker B: Fine, which is fair. [01:14:57] Speaker A: I'm happy with this. I think, I think we're gonna have a lot of movies come in behind Evil Dead. Lot of franchises come in behind Evil Dead. [01:15:06] Speaker B: I would agree with that. [01:15:07] Speaker A: I, I think I'm okay with this. Had Evil Dead beaten Predator, I would have been like, yeah, all right. I guess even though I'm, I'm huge on Predator, I'm also huge on this. So I'm happy with this score. [01:15:22] Speaker C: I'm not, I'm not mad about this score either. I'm happy it didn't beat Mad Max. [01:15:28] Speaker B: But I'm just happy it wasn't a three way tie. I might have just thrown in the towel for sure. [01:15:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I do believe, I do believe that as far as horror movie franchises, I think this one's a very consistent, solid work. [01:15:44] Speaker B: I'm really glad that I went back and watched this franchise again. I hadn't seen the first three since high school. It was nice to kind of revisit them. The trailers for the remake and Rise both looked really interesting, so I'm glad I saw those. But in the end, this is just not a franchise I see myself really going back to. Maybe at some point, if a sixth movie comes out, we'll review that and see if it changes the score of the franchise as a whole. But other than that, this one's just not one that I'm gonna go back to for fun on a Friday night. And it's not necessarily that I hate horror. I think that I would prefer like a psychological horror or like a jump scare horror. And this is much more of just a pure gore horror. And that really just didn't do it for me. [01:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not a huge. [01:16:23] Speaker C: Just to go right off that I'm not a huge horror fan either. Like, I enjoy, like you said, the. I'm more psychological, which is maybe why I like this one, because I felt like there's more psychological in this movie specifically. But as a genre overall, this franchise overall is more of just a gorefest crazy. And I gravitate more towards when they made it into a splat stick. And I really appreciate it. And my top score was obviously army of Darkness. And I will watch that movie any time I see it on tv, I will just stop and laugh and laugh and laugh, and I'm okay with that. And I'm okay if that's the only one I ever watch again. But I wouldn't say no to any of these movies if. If somebody was watching them. [01:17:08] Speaker B: All right, and that has been our rating of the Evil Dead franchise. What do you guys think? Do we score too high, too low? Are we too harsh on this movie? Let me know down in the comments down below. If you want to see us record these live, you can head over to Twitch tv, the Mongoli show. Hit that follow button. You can be part of the conversation. It's a whole lot of fun over there. Or if you just like to see these, make sure you hit the subscribe button here on YouTube so you know when a new video comes out. Also, leave a. Like, have a comment. They really do help the algorithm. We're trying to grow this channel. We're still very, very small. It would be great if you could help spread the word on this one. Share it, maybe even. But anyways, until next time. I hope you're safe. I hope you're well and have a good night. [01:17:47] Speaker A: Sam.