Ep29 - Venom The Last Dance (2024)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: The Last Dance. [00:00:01] Speaker B: 2024. Dancing, singing, memory montages. Eddie and Venom are on the road trip of a lifetime. Or maybe they're on the run from a secret military alien containment unit. Actually, I think they might be trying to save the universe from releasing Null, the Lord of the Abyss. Whatever this movie is actually about, one thing is clear teasing. The long awaited Spidey meetup was just a web of lies. [00:00:29] Speaker C: Ain't that the truth. Oh, my God, I'm so done with the multiverse. I've been watching. I've been thinking about this movie since we saw it, because I can't wrap my head around this one. Why? Why do you make a Venom movie? Why make three Venom movies and then we finally get one that is just about him? It's not about, you know, him breaking up with the symbiote or whatever. You purposefully change the backstory for Null, give the codex to him in a way so that he can't become Venom most of the movie, and, like, just have him hiding behind Tom hard. Like, I get that Tom Hardy wants FaceTime because you probably make more money if you do that, but, like, why have a Venom movie and then purposefully box yourself into a corner where you can't have Venom appear in the Venom movie. Why? [00:01:11] Speaker A: And then. [00:01:12] Speaker B: And then you write in scenes where he doesn't need to be in the movie, but he's there anyway. [00:01:17] Speaker C: Like the dance scene. [00:01:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't want to put too fine a point on it, because I have a. A whole monologue. [00:01:23] Speaker C: Oh, I'm sure. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Just for that scene. [00:01:25] Speaker C: But no, let's just shoehorn Mrs. Chang into this for no goddamn reason in a city she's never been in before, and then have a dance montage with like, all of a sudden, Venom doesn't care about getting found out. He's just be like, cool. Let's just party for five minutes. [00:01:39] Speaker A: At least. For five minutes, it looked like Tom Hardy had taken a shower. That was the first time in the franchise he looked clean and fresh. So I was happy for that. [00:01:50] Speaker B: You're right. [00:01:50] Speaker A: When he turns around and sees Mrs. Chen, I was like, oh, come on. That's just. That's just dumb. That doesn't. Yeah. [00:01:57] Speaker C: If I wasn't already completely out on this movie, that would have taken me out of this movie. [00:02:01] Speaker A: But it got worse because then they did a dance and it was just so horrific. After all of this, like. Like, Venom's like, I'm scared I'm gonna destroy the universe if I show myself. Oh, wait, show tunes. Let's do this. Like, yeah, that was it. [00:02:18] Speaker C: The monster. I mean, we're jumping right in the middle of the movie here. The monster, like, sees him from however far away, jumps in, jumps right into the room. Venom disappears. The monster goes, oh, shit, I guess I was wrong. And leaves. Like, just ignores them instantly. You're just like, not just leaves. What is this movie? [00:02:35] Speaker B: Follows the aircraft of these mercenaries or whatever, follows that all the way to Area 55 and climbs into that. For some unknown reason, just has an instinct to follow this aircraft and go [00:02:48] Speaker A: there because they foreshadow that no one's ever going to get down here. Oh, my goodness. [00:02:53] Speaker C: It's so much worse. Like, Will's right. Like, I think the monster leaves the hotel right away when he's like, oh, guess what was wrong. Venom's not here. Leaves the helicopter, comes in, kidnaps Venom, which the monster just thought. Or kidnaps Eddie Brock, which monster just thought, that's not Venom. That's not what I'm looking for. But I'm gonna follow this aircraft anyways across the desert. And then, like. And doesn't even think to attack it right away. Just like, I'm just gonna play stealth mode for a little bit. Like, we should probably start at the beginning ripping this apart as opposed to mid movie. But it's just like, [00:03:24] Speaker B: this was a doozy. This one's a doozy now. [00:03:28] Speaker C: You didn't. You haven't. I don't have the scores in front of me. I guess I could. You have not been a big fan of this franchise so far. I was probably the hottest. No, in fact, I was the hottest on the franchise up to this point. This movie lost me so fast and just continued to lose me as it went on. I feel like maybe I hated this as much as you've hated this entire franchise. Like, there's also a chance that this movie was so bad that it became fun for you. Is there any chance, like, did it get to that point or was it just painful? [00:03:58] Speaker B: There was elements, don't get me wrong, I love to toe tap to a little ABBA myself. So there was that. It was. It was funny, but it was so bad. Like, even the CGI of Venom was the worst when he was doing the dance routine because he was moving in. Like he was trying to do these, like, hip, fun dance moves, but it didn't look right. Something like, I don't know if this is allowed on YouTube, but he was, like, doing this and you actually zoom in on his toes, like, wiggling. It was just, like, so bad. And it made so much focus on the CGI that it just, like, broke the CGI look altogether. Whereas when he's just doing action and sequencing, it's fast moving and you can get around like, oh, it's moving. You can fake it to make it. It was bad. [00:04:46] Speaker A: It was bad. That crap sequence is why I specifically put this backdrop in here, because it was. The cheesy tuxedo Venom just looks ridiculously stupid. And that. That whole sequence just was so terrible. And I hated that whole thing so much. And the logic, the look, the dance, the song wasn't too bad, but Mrs. Like, that was just terrible. That was the low point in the film for me. And there weren't many high points in the film, but I would like to talk about some of them because I found some good parts to this movie. And I want to know if you guys notice these. These moments. So there was. There was a moment. There was a moment when. Oh, I even brought up the. The IMDb hold on, let me get this. So I get the names right here. What was the colonel's name? [00:05:41] Speaker B: Strickland. [00:05:42] Speaker A: Strickland. Okay, Strickland. So Strickland is. Is like, choreographing his men after Eddie Brock. And that giant flea blender jumps in and starts killing his people. And at the end of that encounter, the scientist is like, did you get any samples? And he's furious because he's like, I lost my people to this. And there was some good acting in that moment, and it showed real depth of character. This character, who I thought was going to be the traditional mar. Military guy who's like, let's go get the Hulk at all cost, he wasn't that character. He had shades of that character, but he had way more depth. And. And the actor did a good job of portraying this. This, like, emotion that. Like, he cared about the people he was doing. Like, he. He's driven. He's got reasons for doing the things he's doing, and they may be militaristic and directed or whatever, but he has passion here. Like, I felt depth in that character. And that moment was like five seconds long. And it was like, oh, you can do it. You can make good characters with depth. You've shown it to us, this glimpse. And then we go back to long sequences of Eddie Brock talking to himself in the desert, or Venom in the desert with just stupid buddy cop dialogue that doesn't give us anything yet. We have another portrayal of Tom Hardy. He's in the van with the family and they're doing the sing along and the music. Right. And it's this really heartfelt moment where I feel for Eddie Brock in that moment. He's conflicted, he's not sure where he wants to go. He's considering the life he could have had with possibly children or a wife or something, you know, living that kind of fun adventure, being a normal person, but he can't do it. And it was. It was a depth of character. It was an interesting sequence. And I was kind of like, wow, they can write some good storytelling, some good backgrounds on these characters and they can give them these moments. But it almost highlighted the absolute atrocity of the rest of the entire film. [00:07:56] Speaker C: Okay, I can give you. There was glimpses of characters that were kind of interesting. I'll take it one step like you're talking about the sergeant. And which I do want to go back to, the one that I actually enjoyed is a tiny little moment, was actually the doctor daughter of the family, who for most of the time was just like, oh, eye roll, dad. Like, I can't stand you. Like, this is so painful. And then when they're doing that, the sing along, she actually is joining in, which again is a really small little thing. But it's just that, like, you know what? I'm. You might embarrass the heck out of me in public, but you are still pretty fun. Like, I still do enjoy interacting with you and stuff like that. I was like, all right, that's kind of fun. It's not just like her. [00:08:36] Speaker A: Like, yeah, what kid doesn't want that? [00:08:37] Speaker B: So. [00:08:38] Speaker C: So exactly. The other little kid bothered me, but whatever. [00:08:41] Speaker A: Yeah, the other little kid bothered me. She wasn't terrible. The other kid was really terrible. [00:08:46] Speaker B: Leaf, who had chocolate but didn't want the chocolate because they're not allowed to [00:08:50] Speaker A: have chocolate, but that doesn't exist. [00:08:54] Speaker C: Like, I'm afraid of aliens. I don't ever want to see an alien. Aliens scare me. Oh, word. Alien 51. I guess I'll break into the alien, the thing. I'll be the one pushing forward to go see if we can find an alien. Like, you're the one who doesn't want to be here. What the hell is going on right now? [00:09:10] Speaker B: Bad. [00:09:10] Speaker A: Like, like, what parent is going to take their kid? I don't care how bad. [00:09:14] Speaker B: Crazy. [00:09:14] Speaker A: Or you don't take your kids into a military facility and then like, he. He runs back with the rocket launcher. I'm like, whatever, dude. This is just. This is terrible. This makes sense. None of this is believable in the slightest. [00:09:29] Speaker B: That's true. [00:09:30] Speaker A: Yep. [00:09:31] Speaker C: You're not wrong. I just like that that's where you broke out. Like I broke so much. [00:09:34] Speaker A: On one hand, they can showcase these moments of realistic, true emotion, true character. And, and have let those actors showcase some real emotion in a quiet moment or an intense moment. But then the rest of the time they're doing just absolutely illogical, batshit stuff that doesn't completely takes you out of the movie. Yeah, just completely takes you out of it. [00:09:56] Speaker C: I found. Look, again, I liked the first two. Not like they weren't phenomenal, but I enjoyed them. I had fun watching them. And we get into this one and it starts off with him in, I think Mexico, just getting. Being drunk at a bar. [00:10:08] Speaker A: Yep. [00:10:08] Speaker C: And it just felt like we've seen this. Like this was the first movie, you know, like he's just, he's just a drunk loser and you know, he's just talking back to Venom and like the bartender doesn't know what's going on. And then he gets behind this, the, the, the bar and starts making himself a drink, which was just, you know, the kitchen scene, making breakfast. Again, like, all right, like again, we've seen this. It felt like there was a lot of rehash there. He gets wanders down the street and finds this like dog fighting racket for some reason and starts fighting those guys. I mean, you know, he constantly is losing his shoes is a mildly fun gag. But even when he's fighting those guys, before we know anything about the major conflicts, most of the time he's fighting them as Eddie Brock with like a tendril coming out. Yeah, like, I really feel cheated on the fact that this is called Venom. And we see him for like a minute and a half of the entire movie. Like, like full on actual Venom, not just like Eddie Brock with a tendril or you know that weird thing they do where the head comes out of his shoulders? Like, hello, Eddie. Like I, I wanted maybe single Venom. [00:11:12] Speaker A: Maybe it's because Venom was saving up all his strength so that he could single handedly engulf not one, not two, but three of the blender bugs and hold them by the acid pit all by himself. [00:11:26] Speaker B: And he's the loser. He's the loser. He's the loser. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:11:31] Speaker A: The whole, the whole Symbiote team couldn't take down one of them. But he by himself, wraps up three. [00:11:38] Speaker B: On that note. What is this dual tank acid? [00:11:43] Speaker A: Hydrochloroformic acid? Yes. [00:11:46] Speaker B: It's just out in the open, no containment whatsoever. Just splashing around. [00:11:50] Speaker A: You're Gonna get rid of Area 51. You're gonna do it right, and you're gonna dissolve it into nothing. That's what you're gonna do. [00:11:59] Speaker B: That feels. [00:12:00] Speaker A: It's a safe alien blood. That's what it is. That's. That's where the movie. That's where the TV show comes in. There's gonna be a crossover of Alien Earth. And they captured all the aliens and they milked them to make those vats of alien acid juice. [00:12:20] Speaker C: Milking an alien. I'm not watching that show now. [00:12:23] Speaker A: There's that. That scene was like, they should. They foreshadowed that. So absorbing. It was just ridiculous. [00:12:30] Speaker B: Can I also mention that the Dr. Payne and Strickland are, like, going to get ready to go see the Symbiotes or whatever after he, like, comes back, and they're, like, talking about Area 55. Like, it's the first time they've either of them have been here, even though they've been working there for years. [00:12:48] Speaker C: Get down this far. Nobody. [00:12:50] Speaker B: Nobody would ever talk like that. Two colleagues would never talk like that at all. And then they also mentioned that they're, like, hundreds of feet underground, and. And yet they just come out of the side of the hill later in the movie, in the big finale. Like, what? This space makes no sense. [00:13:06] Speaker A: That's that unnecessary dialogue that makes me feel insulted because I don't need to know that. They could have cracked a joke. Like, look at those yahoos going over there across the way to Area 51. Huh? They don't need to say Area 55. They don't need to say that we're underground. We took a freaking elevator. I figured it out, right? [00:13:24] Speaker C: You could have literally done that thing where it's just like, Area 50. Like, write it on screen, like, Area 55. 200 meters below Area 51 or something. I'd be like, nobody needs to say it. We now know 100% what's going on. Moving on. [00:13:36] Speaker A: They could have called a cleaning agent's basement. I don't care. It was a cool facility. It didn't need a name. It didn't need an explanation. They didn't need to talk about it. Honestly, I feel like it was a dialogue setup just so that they could get into their clean suits and then later not have to wear them when he's like, do you really think we need the suits now? [00:13:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, that's the thing. It was all unnecessary exposition. We did not need. The whole scene was completely irrelevant. And yet there was so many scenes missing from this movie that you're like, why do we not have this information? AKA Strickland talking to the silhouette man, who by the way, is frickin Dr. Dan from the first two movies. Our best bud, the boyfriend, who we want Eddie Brock to be. That's who plays that character. [00:14:26] Speaker C: Really? [00:14:27] Speaker B: Yep. Not that they say his name and not that it's the same character, but that's the actor. [00:14:33] Speaker C: Okay. [00:14:34] Speaker B: But he stricken. It was after his, you know, first crew dies. He's like, give me access. And this was the only note I took because I wanted to make sure I got it right. Give me access to the Imperium program and the shadowy here before that you never see here. Or there's nothing. There's no Imperium program in this movie. Aside from him asking for it and getting the okay to use it. Yeah, it's just gone. [00:15:00] Speaker A: Was. Was that just his clearance to override the doctors at that point? That's all I figured it was. [00:15:07] Speaker B: Is that them just like, oh, we're gonna just take these symbiotes and let them let him wreak havoc? Like, it doesn't make any sense. [00:15:13] Speaker A: Yeah. It made it sound like he was either going to jump into a symbiote and have a suit or like jump into like a mech or something. You're going to open a door, like mech suits were going to come out or something. [00:15:22] Speaker B: Cool. [00:15:23] Speaker A: I was waiting for an upgrade to the movie. Didn't get one. [00:15:27] Speaker B: Talking about, let's bring in the six. After his team dies, he's like, let's bring in the six. The six are just another of the same team. [00:15:36] Speaker C: Okay. [00:15:37] Speaker A: Maybe six more. [00:15:40] Speaker B: Maybe they're amped up by like symbiote juices and they're like some powers, but nothing, Nothing. [00:15:46] Speaker C: Literally anything that I so bad. The thing that I absolutely loved was the scene I don't remember. I think it was near the beginning where the two little kids are on the beach and they're like, oh, a thunderstorm. And they're like running and they hold each other's hand and somehow that's enough to ground her so that he dies, but she's okay. And then you go into the future and like her arm is paralyzed and she's wearing the exact same shirt that he died in. Just so you know. Yeah, that's that kid you saw. Because we don't believe you as an audience is smart enough to figure that out unless we have a visual clue for you. It never came up that she could not use her arm to the point where my kids didn't even clue into it until I didn't. [00:16:28] Speaker A: I didn't notice the hand until later. I was like. Because she was electrocuted. Okay. [00:16:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:33] Speaker C: But, like, it never, like, hindered her. It never stopped her in any way. It never was. Like, I thought she was gonna have, like, superpowers, and I guess she does run really fast. So, like, cool. She's the Flash, but, like, I thought she'd do something or be more interesting than she actually was, and instead it's like, no, she's just another person who gets a symbiote. [00:16:48] Speaker B: I'm like, I look for a horrible character with zero payoff. [00:16:51] Speaker C: Zero payoff. [00:16:52] Speaker B: The worst part about that payoff is she has the electric powers. But for some reason, the little offshoot splooge of Venom is the one that has the electricity in the vial. [00:17:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:05] Speaker A: Why? [00:17:06] Speaker B: Why is there electricity in the vial? She got electrocuted, not Venom. It made no sense. I'm worked up. [00:17:15] Speaker C: I kind of thought that what we're gonna get was, like, her. This would make no sense. Don'. Try and make logical sense of this. [00:17:20] Speaker B: Hey, he can't get any worse. He can't get any worse. [00:17:22] Speaker C: Her brother died. He. She is wearing his shirt. Maybe. Excuse me. Her brother is alive somehow, in her. And the same way that Eddie Brock has Venom, that he talks to. She's talking to her brother in some way. Like, there's some sort of a weird duality that, like, goes against. Nope. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. She just likes the same Roswell shirt that her brother liked, and. [00:17:43] Speaker B: And she's living her brother's life in his honor. [00:17:46] Speaker C: Yeah, [00:17:49] Speaker A: it's not like it makes any less sense than Null, whose forehead we get to see repeatedly, but nothing more. Honestly, it wasn't Null. It was Null's forehead. And he talks to the blender bugs, and the blender bugs can just jump through a portal straight to Earth. And they know exactly what dimension, what planet to go to, but they don't know where Venom is on the planet. Like, well, if the blender bugs can just jump there, why don't they just, like, put a portal over Null and jump him out of there or something? [00:18:21] Speaker C: Like, okay, well, I'll go with the movie that Null is encased for whatever reason, that's what they're saying. So be it. But, like, the first bug finds Venom instantly, and just, like, cool, I'll take this on. Like, why is he just, like, got him Send back up. [00:18:38] Speaker B: ET can call home. You find out at the end of the movie. Why didn't they just swarm the Whole Earth. It doesn't make any sense. There was hundreds of those things. [00:18:46] Speaker C: No, send three. We. That's all we can allow. We know exactly where we want to be. We know exactly we want to do. But just to be safe. [00:18:52] Speaker B: So just now that we're talking at the. About the beginning and the end of the movie, which is the. [00:18:56] Speaker C: We're just all over the place on this one. [00:18:57] Speaker B: The null, whatever the introduction is. May I ask, at the beginning of the movie, Null establishes that he is imprisoned somehow by these symbiotes. And yet he has these bug creatures that can pretty much do whatever the hell they want. At the end of the movie. Maybe it's the post credit. You see Null being like, I'm free and I'm gonna kill all ya, right? He talks about being free and coming to get them. [00:19:28] Speaker A: I think he says, like, I will have my revenge or something. I'm not sure if he's free or not at that point. [00:19:37] Speaker B: He's ready to rip, man. He is free. So the whole movie is pointless. [00:19:45] Speaker C: He might as well have just been like, fine, I'll do it myself. And you know, I mean, like, just like the exact thanos. Because that's all that was. It was a movie we're probably never gonna get. [00:19:56] Speaker B: Yeah, well, for sure. I mean, I think it was a three contract movie deal. I don't see it ever. It dwindling returns all the way down. So I don't think it's ever gonna go anywhere else. [00:20:05] Speaker A: I honestly think they were setting it up because at the end, wasn't there like a broken vial of symbiote ve remainder of Venom? Yeah, so it's. Yeah, that's the one. And, and it could hopefully get into the spider verse and get to Spider man and we get a real Venom suit and then, you know, just get rid of Tom Hardy. I guess I hate to say it, but Tom Hardy didn't do this movie any good. He was putting a box the whole time, so. [00:20:31] Speaker B: And I kind of felt like in this I didn't really love Tom Hardy. [00:20:37] Speaker C: I agree with that. Like, I just, I just didn't find this movie fun. Like, it. As dumb as the first two were, I did enjoy aspects of them. And this one, like almost from the very beginning, I just felt insulted and was like, I don't. I'm not enjoying this. And then the, the, the, like my brain just shut off almost instantly was the gigantic cockroach thing getting eaten up by the airplane. The airplane being fine, by the way, just kept going like nothing happened. I know the engine was on fire, but, like, nobody seemed to care. And then the alien drops. It is droplets on the ground and just, like, reforges and it's fine. Just moves on. I'm like, oh, unkillable. I'm good. I just. I just stopped caring entirely. [00:21:19] Speaker B: Yep. [00:21:21] Speaker A: It's funny you guys say that about Tom Hardy. I. I noticed that, but I thought it was maybe because I have just recently watched the. The Bicyclist, the. The motor. The bike. What's the motorcycle one that Tom Hardy stars in? [00:21:34] Speaker C: The Bike Riders. [00:21:35] Speaker A: The Bike Riders. Thank you. The Bike Riders. He plays an older, more griz. Darker character. And I've seen some other stuff with Tom Hardy in it, and he's aged since the last one. And I just thought maybe, you know, he's got a lot more gray hair. He's much bigger physically in this one because he's done some other stuff. And I just thought maybe I was like, those other movies were rubbing off on me. But now that you guys talk about it. Yeah, he seemed depressed, dark. It wasn't near as funny. He didn't have the youth and vigor in his character anymore. It was just a. It was a different version of Eddie Brock this time around. [00:22:12] Speaker C: Sorry, go ahead. [00:22:13] Speaker B: No, no, please, please. [00:22:14] Speaker C: Even nice. Even. One of you had mentioned the car scene where, like, he's contemplating the life he could have had. That wasn't the scene I got from that at all because he was like, oh, put a bullet in my mouth. Like, I didn't think that he was ever, like, oh, man, I really wish I had a family. Maybe he was sad about, like, missing Anne, I think her name was. But, like, it looked like he was more just like, this is not my life. Like, he just was sad to exist almost. And I was just like, all right, cool. I would have liked to explored, like, oh, I wish this was my life, or this could have been me or, like, something. [00:22:47] Speaker B: But, yeah, I agree with Run a little bit. The van scene after the sing alongs where he's got time to just contemplate, like, oh, this could have been my life and look where I am. And you could see some just, like, remorse in his being. But again, it was hard to tell if that was just remorse of him doing these movies or remorse of the characters. [00:23:13] Speaker A: At that point. [00:23:13] Speaker B: It's just, like, so negligible, it doesn't even matter. But, like the most of this movie, unlike the first two, Tom Hardy brought at least charm. His character was a dud. Like, you're not good at his job, not A good person not really redeem or redeems himself anywhere along the way, but he was charming and he's a likable presence that wasn't in this movie. And so Venom was the only charming, likable presence and is an alien and doesn't really make sense the choices they make because he wants to just do a dance number out of the nowhere. So, like, there's nothing charming in this movie. So that was a huge takeaway from the previous two installments for me. Anyway, [00:23:59] Speaker A: did you guys kind of get the feeling, because it's called the Last Dance and we know this is the end of the. The trilogy, right. That it just set a tone, that this is going to end badly, this is going to be darker, this is going to be less cheerful. Like, that's kind of how they just didn't give a. [00:24:18] Speaker B: They're like, we're contracted for three. Let's just throw some shit symbiotes at the wall, let them blend through the back of the head and call it a day. [00:24:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I'll say. I maybe a little bit. But by the end of the movie, I wasn't surprised that they had that big, like, dramatic death scene where like, oh, I'm sorry, Eddie, I gotta go. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Oh, and they dragged out ways too long. [00:24:45] Speaker C: I know. [00:24:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:46] Speaker C: But what. I was a little surprised we didn't get more of a hint that Venom was going to come back. You know what I mean? Like, I expected him to go to New York and be like, yeah, there it is, buddy. And like, something would happen. Like, there'd be a little, like, something in the back of his head, like, oh, thanks, Eddie. Or like, anything. Be like, I'm not quite dead. I'm just, like, healing. And it's like, I guess we get that vile. But, like, I. I was a little surprised, like, oh, no, he's there. There is no hope. You know what I mean? Maybe I'm okay with it. I'm not saying I'm hoping there's no hope. [00:25:21] Speaker A: I felt like they needed to end this trilogy. Yes, they could continue Venom somewhere, some way else, but they needed to end this trilogy. And I was glad that they. Yes, this universe, it needed to. It needed to be done. I mean, Lord, it shouldn't have started. [00:25:36] Speaker B: So let's talk about this universe a little bit, because at the beginning or after the null sequence, we find Eddie Brock in the bar where he was in no Way Home. Spoiler alerts for anybody who hasn't watched Spider man. No Way Home. And I actually went back and Watched the scene from Spider man, no Way Home. A lot of the lines are the exact same what Eddie Brock says and what he says in this one, except for they change a few things. Obviously. One of those being in no Way Home, his, like, body, like, just kind of disappears into a magical whatever. And in this one, it's like a portal that he gets sucked through, which is weird. Why they would change that? It doesn't make any sense. On top of that, in the Venom 3 movie, they don't leave a little symbiote piece behind, but they leave the symbiote piece in his universe after with the coin, which I feel like they were just writing that out of the mcu. That's what it came across to me as. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Wait, they were correcting it. They thought, hey, let's make this for the mcu. And then they're like, oh, no, we're not gonna give it to the mcu. Let's make that in the other place. Yeah. [00:26:54] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know. It was very odd. It was an odd way they did it. Like. [00:26:59] Speaker C: So in. In. In Spider man, they left the little symbiote behind. [00:27:02] Speaker B: Correct. [00:27:03] Speaker C: And then this one he left behind in his universe. Not inspired. [00:27:07] Speaker B: Correct. [00:27:07] Speaker C: Interesting. [00:27:08] Speaker B: So may like it. You. You could go either way. Like, oh, well, he just left a piece of. He just shedding like a goddamn dog in summer. Or they are kind of retconning it, being like, no, he left the symbiote goo splooge on the bar in his universe. And then Strickland picks it up. Everything's contained. We can wrap it in a bow and pretend this catastrophe never happened. [00:27:34] Speaker A: They didn't want to give it to Holland. They wanted to keep it to Hardy, so they didn't leave it there. [00:27:40] Speaker C: It's not the way I want Holland to get it. You know what I mean? [00:27:43] Speaker B: Like, for sure. [00:27:43] Speaker C: Like, I want. I'm cool with Holland getting the symbiote. I'm cool with them doing a long stretching way to get to Venom. I don't want him to be like, you know, Spider Man 3, where it just happens right away, but that would be fine. But I don't want to happen because he went to Cancun for spring break and. Oh, no. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:01] Speaker B: Then Venom also does that call out of, I'm sick of the multiverse. Right. [00:28:04] Speaker C: Which everybody is. [00:28:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is like, oh, that's the one good line in this movie, because everybody's singing that. But, yeah, I. I just felt like it was a retcon that oh, no. The. The ooze droplet was left in their world, their universe, not the mcu, and they just retconned that whole encounter. [00:28:23] Speaker C: I. While we're talking about that opening scene, I. This is going to go off topic a little bit, but, like, he gets stuck through that. That portal and he's walking down the street and there's just like a random car on fire. Now, I've never been to Mexico, but, like, nobody gives a. It was one of those. Like, I was almost like, did we get sucked into a different dimension? Like, are we like a post apocalypse or what is going on? It's like, nope, that's just Mexico at 2am, just jeeps on fire. [00:28:47] Speaker A: Honestly, just depends on which. Which news media you want to watch. So. [00:28:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:54] Speaker B: Depends where. Where in Mexico you're at, I guess, you know. Yeah. [00:29:00] Speaker A: Different dimensions. One was a little darker than the other. Like, one looked like it was kind of beat up and one was more tropical. So. [00:29:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:07] Speaker A: But that's all it was. I didn't really pick up on it too much. [00:29:09] Speaker C: Yeah. I wasn't like, stuck on. It was just one of those weird. Like, why? What was the. Like, somebody had to. Some. That was a choice that somebody made. [00:29:17] Speaker B: Yeah. My only. My only thought is like, oh, he's in a shady part of town, so there's gonna be shade. And that's why he can find a dog fighting ring that he talks to for five minutes before they try to knife him. Like, it makes zero sense. Also, Venom is like this super being that wants to protect Eddie at all costs. Why would he throw Eddie out of his suit so he could drop kick some dude, potentially risking him breaking his back? [00:29:43] Speaker C: That's exactly what I was talking about, where it's like, why are we getting so little Venom? Even when he's Venom, he's like, you get him, Eddie. I'm just gonna stand here. I'm like, this. Yeah. I hate this so much. [00:29:52] Speaker A: Didn't even know that he was supposed to be hiding the codex at that point. That was just him, like, being lit. [00:29:58] Speaker C: That's just the way he fights, apparently. And even if, like, for some reason that was the way he wanted to fight, that could have even been funny. If it's like picking Eddie up and throwing him around the room to beat enemies up, that would make no sense. But it might have been amusing. But this was, like a move he did on purpose. Like, I'm gonna do a double drop kick. [00:30:14] Speaker B: Yeah. I can't help but, like, try to, like, like, logistically think through why they would want to present it this way, this fight scene. [00:30:23] Speaker A: And the only ones, a shoe to get to the shoe gag. Yeah. Yeah. [00:30:27] Speaker B: There's two things also. If he loses his shoes, why doesn't Venom just give him Venom feet so much? [00:30:32] Speaker C: That's something they do in the comics all the time. [00:30:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it makes no sense. [00:30:36] Speaker C: His wardrobe in this movie specifically is an issue constantly. And it's like, most of the time, you're wearing tiny whities, and Venom is just wearing the costume and just turning into different jeans and stuff like that. In this one, they're like, nah, he was wearing one cowboy boot. Because isn't that funny? Right? [00:30:51] Speaker B: But anyway, the only real reason I think, or I can comprehend or even fight the good fight for the writer side of this is they wanted to establish that Venom and Eddie work together as a team now. So they're both fighting. That's the only thing I can think of. Does it come across that way? No, it comes across as stupid and lazy. [00:31:15] Speaker C: I actually think they come across even worse. Like, I think they are even less symbiotic in this one. Like, [00:31:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. [00:31:27] Speaker C: We are. We're Venom. No, we are Venom. No, [00:31:33] Speaker B: we are. We are. [00:31:38] Speaker A: No. [00:31:39] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, we. [00:31:46] Speaker C: Oh, we are Venom. And it's like, you got that right in the first movie. Like, why are you doing this worse than you did three movies ago? What is going on? [00:31:56] Speaker A: I think a lot of this movie was just to showcase stuff that they wanted to do. They had a variety of different colored symbiotes that they showed doing a variety of different things. I'll say, that Christmas tree girl was a pretty badass symbiote. She was kind of holding it down all by herself. And then Electric Girl steals the show for no reason at all. But they just. They just did things to showcase stuff. We had a horse, which was all over the commercials. I had seen that scene at length by the time I watched this movie, so that wasn't fun for me. I was like, oh, yeah, that's just the commercial that I've seen 14 times. [00:32:36] Speaker B: They were desperate, right? Yeah. Like, the marketing on this was desperate. They needed this to make money. They even showed Null in the previews. [00:32:45] Speaker C: Oh, do they? [00:32:46] Speaker A: Yep. [00:32:46] Speaker C: Okay. [00:32:47] Speaker B: They were like, this is our last hope. Throw Null in there. We gotta get bums in seats. It was desperation. [00:32:54] Speaker A: And that was a ripoff, too, because we didn't get Null, and we didn't get Tom Holland. We didn't get Spider man at all. Right. It was. It was such a rip off. The expectations were so much higher. And there was like. [00:33:07] Speaker B: We didn't get Toxin. [00:33:08] Speaker A: Yeah, we didn't get anything. Yeah. [00:33:11] Speaker B: They said Toxin abandoned this being because he was dying. Wait, can't they heal these people? Like, isn't that the whole thing? It's so stupid. And then he gets some weird, like, floaty guy in them instead. Like, what is going on in this movie, man? [00:33:25] Speaker C: We. We might not have got Spider man, and we might not have got much Venom, but we did get a venomized toad and a venomized fish and a venomized horse. And isn't that just as cool? Let's be honest. Isn't that just. [00:33:37] Speaker A: That was done. Oh, that was terrible. It was. [00:33:43] Speaker B: There's so much wrong with this movie. The plot lines make no sense. It's so scattered. They just. Again, like Brian was saying, they just put in. Just to put it in. Oh, we want Mrs. Chen in this movie. Let's just throw her in. Why are they even gambling? Why did they go to the casino at all? There was zero reason for them to go there. [00:34:04] Speaker A: Yeah, why did he go to the casino? [00:34:06] Speaker C: I feel like there was a mile. Like he needed money or something, but I don't remember for what. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Oh, Venom kind of forced him to go in there because he said he saw Rain man and he knew he was going to be good at counting, and he turned out to be a gambling addict and lost everything on Penny [00:34:22] Speaker B: Stuff pushing that plot forward, aren't they? [00:34:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. It was a waste of time. It was. [00:34:28] Speaker B: I do want to mention. I do want to mention drunk guy pissing on Brock. That's. That's actually Tom Hardy's stunt double in movies. So it was nice that they actually put him in the movie. That was. That was good to give him a legit cameo. [00:34:42] Speaker C: Fair enough. [00:34:42] Speaker B: That was nice. I. I do appreciate that. [00:34:44] Speaker C: One of the jokes that actually did kind of work for me was Eddie going into the casino, like, dressed like a bum, and the guy just walks him out. Right away I was like, yeah, that. That's legit. No way he's getting into that place. Was it good enough to, like, force that. That eight minute scene? No, no. Like, if that had been the bdbl, and I'd be like, I saw Rain Man. Let's try this. [00:35:04] Speaker A: All right. [00:35:05] Speaker C: Let's do something else. Like, that would have been fine for me. [00:35:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that would have been enough. [00:35:08] Speaker B: Now I got. I got another gripe here. Venom is like, I. I can't. I can't come full body. [00:35:15] Speaker A: I. [00:35:15] Speaker B: We can't do it. And he's like, okay, cool. And then they're like going down the water and down the stream or whatever, fighting these dudes, the first six, I don't know what their names were. The Nameless Six. And somehow Eddie is able to just overpower and shoot this trained militant with no problems whatsoever. And then they're about to go over the waterfall, and Venom's like, I. I have to save you. And goes full body. But all these other guys go over the water and they're just fine. And they're just tasering the hell out of Eddie afterwards. They're like, whatever. Did that help Venom? Did that help you really had to go into Venom form? Form? No, it was completely pointless just to get the alien there. [00:35:59] Speaker C: And even then, like, he could have, like, we see alien, not like. Not Venom, but like, Eddie Brock. Use, like a parachute. And it does. That doesn't trigger the alien. Or use, like, tendrils, and that doesn't trigger the alien. So just like, go over the edge and be like Spider man, you know, just grab something and like, wee and swing away and just don't be Venom for that and you're fine. Like, it seems like as long as he doesn't have that face on him, he's okay. [00:36:21] Speaker A: So just stated the rules for us. I can do this, and I can do this, but I can't do this. See, like, then they just effort. [00:36:30] Speaker B: They just f. And then he's like, [00:36:32] Speaker A: but I gotta do a show tunes dance. [00:36:34] Speaker B: Exactly. Right? I. I don't. I mean, I could go on, but I think I've. I've said enough. I've said enough. [00:36:45] Speaker A: So my. My big takeaway from the movie was these. These couple of moments of really good acting. Really good char. Really deep sentiment, like, for seriously, like 5, 10 seconds. And then in it. And it just. It just made me. It's like, you can do it, but you're actively choosing not to. For the rest of this film, you're actively choosing to do the dumbest thing, the laziest writing, the worst, everything you could possibly do just to showcase all these stupid things, like a bug blender. Like, a bunch of different symbiotes that were fairly ineffectual. When Venom by himself wraps up three of them, just. None of it makes sense. It was terrible. And I. I really was offended by this movie. Much like the first one offended me when I was like, Tom Hardy, my favorite actor. Wait, he has no lines in this movie. You give him no breadth. It's terrible. I'm offended. [00:37:40] Speaker B: I'm gonna. [00:37:41] Speaker A: I'm gonna. [00:37:41] Speaker B: I harp on this all the time, and I'm gonna do it here as well. You're five. Yeah. Your five seconds of good is the actors acting with a horrible script, but they find five seconds of goodness in that horrible script, and you can actually see them characterize and bring something to the table. And I feel like that's all this is. Terrible, terrible writing. And they've got some solid actors in here just desperately trying to do something with it. [00:38:15] Speaker A: That's it. That's it. More of the same. It's. It's more of the same that we've seen throughout this franchise. [00:38:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:21] Speaker A: They have opportunity completely squandered. I'm ready to rate this thing. [00:38:27] Speaker C: Let's jump into the ratings. Let's move on. [00:38:29] Speaker B: Let's do this. [00:38:30] Speaker C: Brian, we're throwing to you. [00:38:32] Speaker A: Okay. So after turning this over with you guys, it didn't fluctuate my score much at all. This movie comes in at a 61 for me. It's probably slightly better than number two. Slightly. Quite a bit. A few. Few notches worse than number one. This franchise really not going anywhere. They didn't improve on anything. The only good things I had were the moments of the actors shining through with what little bit they had to work with in some of the script. Almost like the script writers accidentally left something decent in there for them to work with and they stole it. And so that was it. And honestly, that pointed out how bad this movie was. Direction was bad. The scoring wasn't as good as the rest of it. The only song I really liked was Rocket man in the Van. And that one was kind of ruined because I kept waiting for Eddie Brock to just sing like. Like a half a line. Just mumble like a half a line or something. And I would have been like, oh, okay. So he is reminiscing about how. How good his life could be if he were just normal. You know, he could. He could live a simple life like this. He never really did. And so I felt like that moment could have been even better with just that little bit of a mumble in there. That's it. That's all I got to say it. It's just more of the same. [00:39:54] Speaker C: Wow, okay, so that puts it higher than Let There Be Carnage for you. [00:39:59] Speaker A: Yes, by. By two points. It's higher than Let There Be Carnage. Two points isn't a whole lot. These things are coming in just. Just above watchable for me. And I think I might have been in a really good mood when we when we rated the first one. [00:40:12] Speaker B: I think you might have been in a good mood watching this one. [00:40:16] Speaker A: I'm sorry if. How much did these movies make? People watch this stuff, right? It's not for me. I think there's entertainment value to be had here. There are some entertaining sequences. If you like watching Venoms, if you, you know, Symbiotes, if you like watching Blender bugs, if you like watching military commandos swing in on those zip lines, which was kind of weird that they all facing the same direction on a line. [00:40:45] Speaker C: It looks cool. It looks cool. [00:40:47] Speaker B: That was the Imperium program at its finest right now. [00:40:50] Speaker A: That's right. There is the old Imperium program, version one of the six. Yeah. So I think it's. I think it's just barely above watchable. It's nothing I would ever recommend to anybody. But it's okay. [00:41:04] Speaker C: Fair enough. Will, you seem high story. I'm gonna throw to you. [00:41:09] Speaker B: I, I don't know what to say. I, I 61 seems so good and this was so. Not that. What can I say? I, I ragged on this movie the entire, the entire episode. And rightfully so. I think I am justified in doing so. I do disagree with Brian. I think this movie is worse than the second one and I'll tell you why. Not that Brian's opinion is wrong. If he enjoyed this one more. More power to him, more symbiote to him. Carnage was like so simple. It was just, we are gonna fight Carnage at the end of this movie. He wants to get married and befriend Venom for some unknown reason. And that was the movie. And it was short and it was terrible, but at least it knew what it was. This movie was all over the place. I almost wonder if they were like, we're banking on Disney to let us in to the MCU on this movie. And here's the script we have ready. And they gave it to them after no Way Home. They're like, let's do this. And MCU was like, nope, nope, we're not doing that. And so they just, just rewrote everything but kept in. Some things were already pre filmed because they, they knew in their hearts of hearts that Disney wouldn't let him down. But it, it didn't go that way. And so instead they said we hate the multiverse and but we have these shadowy figures that were probably meant to be in the mcu and this was just a train wreck. And nobody had any heart in this movie because of it. They all knew as a train wreck going in. They were like, how are we going to even make this money back on this movie we've invested so much in. Oh, I know. Let's put Null in there and we'll put them right into the frickin trailer and people will buy tickets and we'll make our money and we just walk away from this whole thing hands washed. [00:43:10] Speaker A: Done. [00:43:12] Speaker B: I didn't like anything about this movie. I'm thinking anything. The Xenophage was kind of cool looking. That's it. But all the other symbiotes didn't look good, so what the f. Why is one thing look good and all the rest look terrible? I hate this movie. 36 out of 100. This movie's trash. It's the worst of the three. [00:43:35] Speaker C: Do you feel better? It feels like you actually got something off your chest during that. [00:43:38] Speaker B: I don't know what I feel anymore. I'm happy we're done the trilogy. I'll tell you that. [00:43:46] Speaker C: Fair. [00:43:46] Speaker B: And you know what? I'm happy I watched the movies because I got to talk about them with you. That's it. Otherwise. [00:43:54] Speaker A: And we're getting, we're getting drastically different scores with this franchise. Right? We're not nailing another 70 to the board. [00:44:00] Speaker B: We're. [00:44:04] Speaker C: Yeah, this, I mean it's not giving Highlander a run, but it's gonna, it's gonna be close. [00:44:11] Speaker B: All right. [00:44:14] Speaker C: It's hard to come up with something to say that Will hasn't said already. I, I, I am shocked for how this conversation went, for how high Brian score is. It's his score. That's totally fine. I'm with Will. I hated everything about this movie, even some of the songs that I liked. I just felt like the, the way they introduced them wasn't very good, if that makes sense. Like when he's going to ride on the horse and it starts up that queen Don't Stop Me now. That could have been a funny joke. And instead it was just kind of like, like quietly building up to nothing. Which is actually kind of what this entire movie is. Just like quietly building up into nothing. There was nothing that felt like it was paid off. We get characters that don't feel like they're going anywhere. Like the female scientist who never really pays off. We've got the sergeant who's talking about like this experiment program that he used to take control of. We never find out what that is. There's just, there was just nothing for me in this movie. The jokes at the very beginning just felt like there was stuff that was rehashed and redone. From the other movies, but done worse. The fact that it's a Venom movie and it felt like we got very little to no Venom. And even when he was Venom, he wasn't acting at all like you would expect Venom to act. He's. He's acting more like Eddie Brock. It's just, I don't know, everything about this was just taking me out. But the big one for me, I mentioned already, like, when the alien gets killed and just like Terminator twos itself back into its full form and you're just like, all right, so Venom can't possibly beat this. Cool. Like, that's, that's not interesting to me. Like, when the, when the enemy is a God, that's not interesting to me. Which is ironic because Null actually is a God. But I don't know. There was. I, I, I had no fun. And that's all that this franchise has been building up for me. I was the highest on the first two movies because as dumb as they were, they were fun. I did not have fun watching this movie. I give this a fail. This is a 43 for me, which is. It still feels a little high, but at least, you know, parts of it were competently made. If not the whole itself, it might [00:46:07] Speaker B: be a little high. [00:46:08] Speaker C: I don't know. Like, it, it feels weird to give, like, super low when the production quality is high, but at the same time, like, there's only so much, like a good soundtrack and a good actor can carry something. You know what I mean? Like, if the actual eye is bad, it doesn't matter how good the ingredients are. [00:46:24] Speaker B: You're right. There was a couple good songs in this movie. [00:46:27] Speaker A: He jumps a motorcycle off of a helicopter, rips the blades apart, and Ginsu's the head off of one. [00:46:34] Speaker C: And it does literal nothing. And you knew that it was going to do nothing. [00:46:38] Speaker B: And they knew it would do nothing. [00:46:41] Speaker A: Yeah, but it was cool, guys. [00:46:43] Speaker B: It was so cool. This super secret military that is in charge of all alien life forms containment collection. All they have on them is a chopper, a dune buggy, and a motorcycle. [00:46:55] Speaker A: That's it. [00:46:56] Speaker B: That's the whole operation right there. [00:46:59] Speaker C: We didn't talk about one of my [00:47:00] Speaker A: favorite lines underground, because. [00:47:02] Speaker B: Sure. [00:47:04] Speaker C: We didn't talk about one of my favorite lines in the movie, which is when all the, like, alien goo tubes are above ground and they're like, like, put them underground, it'll be safer. And they just literally go like eight feet down. And now they're just right there, like eight feet below where they were. And you're like. And it's not even another contained. [00:47:21] Speaker A: It's like an open ceiling loft. Right. It's like you could look down and see them from the floor above. It was so dumb. [00:47:30] Speaker C: I will say the. [00:47:32] Speaker A: The science lab looks cool with all the TVs make projecting a sky over it. It was kind of a cool looking lab. Like I like to work there. That kind of looked neat, not realistic. Kind of a some government taxpayer dollars there. But whatever. [00:47:46] Speaker B: What's with the sand waterfall that they drive through? [00:47:49] Speaker A: Oh yeah, what was that? Why do they have a sand waterfall? I saw that and I was like, does this serve any purpose at all? [00:47:57] Speaker B: How do they keep that thing clean, man? [00:47:59] Speaker A: Right? My daughter's like sand back around, right? How much does a sand sump pump cost these days? [00:48:07] Speaker B: Ridiculous. Why wouldn't you just hologram a fake fake freaking wall at that point. A cliff edge. [00:48:12] Speaker A: Like. [00:48:13] Speaker B: It's so stupid. It's so stupid. This movie is trash. [00:48:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it was. It was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. [00:48:21] Speaker B: Oh man. That was good though. It's good talking and just talking a movie because that's all that this movie is good for. For me. [00:48:30] Speaker C: We might have a first on our hands. In fact, I'm pretty sure we do. [00:48:34] Speaker B: Oh, are you middle of the road or something? [00:48:36] Speaker C: I am middle of the road. [00:48:37] Speaker B: You are. [00:48:38] Speaker A: I took the high road and. And will it low. [00:48:41] Speaker B: Well, no, I went. [00:48:42] Speaker C: It only took what, nine franchises? [00:48:46] Speaker B: Wow. [00:48:47] Speaker C: 60, 63. 43. Yeah. [00:48:51] Speaker B: The dream is over. [00:48:52] Speaker C: And you know what I mean. My score was a 97. I loved this guys. It was so good. [00:48:58] Speaker A: You know, maybe. Maybe this is why you guys are bigger Spider verse fans than I am. And so maybe this kind of probably bothers you more than it does me. And I'm just like, this is just a dumb action flick and I could just turn my brain off and just watch these sequences of Michael Bay explosions and motorcycle jumps and stupid stuff that doesn't make any sense. And I'm okay with that. I don't look forward to those movies. But I can also find I know a lot of people who can sit and watch this movie and enjoy it it for its action sequences. So I guess that's why I give it a higher score. [00:49:35] Speaker B: Let's be honest. I think like on the tomato meter or whatever, 80 of audiences liked got [00:49:42] Speaker C: a higher rating than the second one, which blew me away. But then Brian gave it a higher rate than the second one. So fair enough. Like everybody's coming at this a little different and that's what makes this show interesting. If it was just me saying my opinion, who cares? I'm gonna love something that's bad. I'm gonna hate something that's good, so be it. But when we can get together and pass ideas around to the three of us, us, it does bring out that extra element and, like, having the conversation beforehand where you can bring out good points. Because, like, I'd forgotten about that installation that he talks about. Like, I don't even remember what he said. You mentioned it where he's like, oh, give me permission to do this. Completely forgot about that. But as soon as you mentioned, like, oh, yeah, that's just another thread that goes absolutely nowhere. [00:50:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:16] Speaker C: And with that, we are looking at a score. Where is it? Here we go. It didn't change the position on the list. It is still third from the bottom, but it did go down to a 55. And as I mentioned, that is the first time that you see my number in every time I've been either the highest or the lowest. And here I am, just be in the middle of the road. [00:50:38] Speaker B: Why is this happening? Good old middle of the road, Dan. That's what we're gonna call you now. [00:50:44] Speaker A: Probably not. [00:50:45] Speaker C: No, no, that's gonna stick. [00:50:50] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [00:50:51] Speaker C: What do you guys like? I mean, does this feel right? I mean, we. We harped on Anchorman even harder, and none of us enjoyed Highlander, so I'm sure that's fine. I can't imagine you think this is better than Gremlins or Evil Dead, so it's probably sitting right where it should on this. On this franchise list. [00:51:07] Speaker B: I'm not mad about it. Again, we talked about this last episode. I think that as a franchise, to recommend it as, hey, you should check this franchise out. I think you'll have a good time. It's got to be around 65 for me. And this is definitely not worth anything. [00:51:25] Speaker A: So. Yeah. And the difference between Venom and a lot of these other franchises, all three of these movies sucked as much as the franchise itself. None of them fluctuated this movie much. [00:51:35] Speaker B: Right, Right. [00:51:36] Speaker A: I mean, this. This whole franchise was kind of trash. And so whereas others. Like, I could find a reason to recommend a, like, the Gremlins movie, the first one, because it's kind of iconic. I could. I could recommend the first Highlander to somebody because it's iconic. It's different. It created a lot of stuff. Right. There's the whole. I like all of Evil Dead, you know, Jurassic park, of course, the first movie really brought up the entire overall franchise score. We'll see where it goes. And. But in Venom, there's nothing that I would recommend to anybody. There's. [00:52:14] Speaker B: There's nothing. [00:52:15] Speaker A: There's nothing. [00:52:16] Speaker B: And thinking on it, contemplating why do people prefer Venom 3 to Venom 2, my only thought is, if you're going to watch a dumb action movie, at [00:52:28] Speaker C: least go real big. [00:52:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:31] Speaker B: At least the Last Dance has more action sequences than the carnage we did. [00:52:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it does. It just has. [00:52:36] Speaker B: It just has more action. [00:52:37] Speaker A: More of everything. It's got more symbiotes. The symbiotes are taking over more people and creatures. You've got the other creature. The. The whatever you call. I'm going to call a xenomorph. [00:52:46] Speaker B: Whatever. [00:52:46] Speaker A: The. [00:52:49] Speaker B: Right. Which. [00:52:49] Speaker A: The xenophages were cool. They. They were just straight up cool. When they sucked in things and they blended the back of their head, I was like, well, that's something different. [00:52:57] Speaker B: They had cool qualities. They were terribly utilized. [00:53:01] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But I mean, watching them in action, when they like suck down one of the six and make them into five, it was. It was fun to watch. I was like, that's pretty cool. [00:53:12] Speaker C: So if literally, almost, almost. Almost anything different had happened after that plane scene, I might have been more on board with them. Like if. If they had turned into like a thousand little ones or like it's dying breath. It called null and nulls. Like, I know where you are now. Almost anything. But like, when it just regrouped back into like one thing, I just. I could not express how much I checked out. [00:53:32] Speaker B: Oh, that was terrible. 100. Agreed. And the other thing is, they can just sonic boom all these symbiotes to death easily. And they don't until like once months at the end. They could have called home at any time saying the Codex is here. They don't. It's just like this thing's riddled with so many plot holes. [00:53:50] Speaker A: We see the one sequence when they. They do kind of like do an ET Phone home. Like he even says he phone home or whatever. [00:53:57] Speaker B: And 10 minutes of the movie, you [00:53:59] Speaker A: see all those xenophages jumping through portals. Like dozens of them. [00:54:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:04] Speaker A: And only had three. [00:54:07] Speaker B: I know. [00:54:08] Speaker A: Did they take the wrong off ramp or something? I don't get it. [00:54:11] Speaker C: That's just it, though. Like we, we've mentioned it before, but I'll just harp on again because it just makes no sense. They're looking for one thing in the entire universe, if not multiverse. This dude finds that one needle in a haystack and is like, I'm gonna wait like three days before I call this in like. It's not like there are other. Like, oh, maybe this is the Earth one, and somebody's gonna find the Mars one and somebody's gonna find the Jupiter 1, and somebody's gonna find the. This. This is the only one that exists. [00:54:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:36] Speaker C: And buddy found it is like, I'll see you in a couple days. [00:54:39] Speaker A: Got excited when they found one of the six stones. Like, this guy's. You know these guys? [00:54:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:44] Speaker A: They're dumb. So the whole movie's dumb? The whole movie doesn't make sense. Don't watch it. [00:54:49] Speaker C: All right, everybody, that has been the Venom franchise. What do you think? Do we rate this way too harshly? Did you actually enjoy this franchise? Let me know down in the comments. I'd love to hear what you have to say. Other than that, we're going to be moving into the Jurassic World franchise after this. So if you're excited for that, head over to Twitch tv, the movie Mongolie Show. Give it us a follow and you'll know when. We go live at Thursdays on 9pm so we can discuss those movies together. If you made it this far in the video, make sure you hit the like button. It does help out the channel a lot and subscribe so you can see more great content like this going forward. Until next time, I hope you're safe. I hope you're well. Have a good night. [00:55:21] Speaker B: And don't watch it. Sam.