Ep 82 - 21 Jump Street (2012)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: 21 Jump Street, 2012. A new and potentially lethal drug has surfaced, and two terrible cops have one chance to prove themselves by going deep undercover as high school students. Now they must find and arrest the supplier before the drugs go rampant in the streets. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Completely overrated. [00:00:27] Speaker C: Hello, everybody, and welcome back to our Rating the show where I get together with two of my friends, we take a movie franchise, break it down by film, give them an overall score, and then throw them back on the board to see where they land compared to the other movie franchises. I'm normally joined by two buddies, but this week we are just joined with Brian. How are you doing this week, Brian? [00:00:44] Speaker B: I'm good, Dan. How are you doing? [00:00:45] Speaker C: I'm doing very well. I'm doing very well. Will is unfortunately away with family for last week and this week, so we'll get him for the intro as well as the score. But other than that, it's just gonna be the two of us discussing. [00:00:57] Speaker B: And we do enjoy keeping him on the screen for comical purposes. That's why he's frozen up there. Also, it makes the arrangement on the windows a little better for us, so we're gonna keep him here. Just in spirit, though, if you've never been to any of these videos before, then stay to the end. We have a poster with all the ratings of these franchises where we compare them one to the other, and we break them down with our own personal scores. So if you want to find out what we think about these films as a scoring, stay till the end. [00:01:23] Speaker C: Now, Brian, is this 21 Jump street has came out. 2012. I believe you mentioned you'd seen it before. Is this your first time viewing it? Second time viewing. [00:01:32] Speaker B: This is the second time I viewed it. When it first came out, I didn't see the theatrical release. I waited for it to come out on a. I don't know, maybe a DVD or whatever was going on back then. I don't remember because it's kind of older and. And so it's been a while. And I'll tell you, I wasn't looking forward to this movie as one of our franchises, but I was pleasantly surprised. I actually enjoyed watching it this time. How about you, Dan? How many times you've seen this? [00:02:02] Speaker C: I believe this is my third time watching this one. Also did not watch this in theaters. I think I maybe saw the trailer and I was just like, I'm good. Like, it just didn't look like anything special to me. And then my wife had a friend over and they were debating what they wanted to do, and they Were like, oh, let's watch like this 21 Jump street thing. And I was just like, I'm good, you guys, in a couple hours. And I ended up catching enough of it. Maybe not the very, very beginning, but enough early on that I was like kind of brought in. And then I ended up sticking around for the entire thing. I remember really enjoying it. Ended up showing it to a buddy on a night shift. Years later, we're both just killing ourselves at, you know, two in the morning watching this thing. I, I really enjoyed this movie and then watched it again this week with my wife. Unfortunately was not able to make it to your watch party, but stuck around for like a minute or two and saw you laughing and was like, aha, that's a good sign. I was pretty sure you had mentioned that you were not a big fan of this one. [00:02:52] Speaker B: So yeah, I was thinking, this is going to be really terrible. I remembered it being a horrible film. Possibly remembering the sequel. We'll find out next week. So stay tuned for that one. Now, Dan, did you ever watch the source material that this was spun off of? Because they do reference it quite a bit in the movie. [00:03:12] Speaker C: That's interesting. I only caught maybe one or two references to the original. I didn't ever watch the original whatsoever. Obviously I'm aware that Johnny Depp was in it. And you would get those two actors later on in the film, which is a very fun little surprise cameo. And I think early on they referenced like, oh, you know, the, the department's out of ideas, the rehashing this stupid [00:03:34] Speaker B: thing because no one can come up with anything new these days. Yeah, that was a great line that, that line really set me up for this movie and it put me in the mood for this movie because right off the bat they're letting you know, hey, we know what's going on here. We're not going to take ourselves seriously. We're going to have some fun with this. And they do a lot of those jokes throughout the film and I think they're, they're very funny and they, they make the movie okay because without that feel to it, without that recognition, if they were trying to take themselves seriously with this movie, it would definitely fall flat. But because of that, it really comes together. [00:04:12] Speaker C: I, I'm not gonna lie, I, I was watching this with my wife and when that line came up and they self referenced, I thought of you because you've made mention of that quite a few times. Whether it's like Jurassic World or a couple other ones that I'm blanking On now we're like, oh, they're letting us know that they know this is really stupid. Like, like we are in on the joke of what is going on here. They're not trying to play it off as, like, look, this smart idea we have or were so original for bringing back this thing, this TV show from the 80s. I, I legitimately did think of you. And Nick Offerman was talking during that scene. And it is just a funny scene in general. Like, even the fact that he's like, you guys are going to 36 Jump Street. Wait, yeah, cut away. All right. Pretty good. [00:04:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Just little, little quips like that that let you know that they're in on it makes the movie go so much better. I wouldn't be able to handle this film if they took it seriously. It would just, it, it would be miserable. And I don't think that we would have a 22 Jump street had they done that. [00:05:12] Speaker C: No, but I, I will say, like, there's a lot of good talent in this film, both behind the camera and in front of the camera. I'm not the world's biggest Jonah Hill fan, but I think he works really well with Channing Tatum. And I found out that I didn't realize that Jonah Hill was actually one of the writers on this film. So he was actually like kind of writing this part for him and Jonah Hill. And it took a little bit of convincing to get Jonah Hill, or sorry, to get Channing Tatum to actually join the cast. He's like, I wrote this with us in mind. You got to do it. And channel's like, no, I'm good. He passed on it twice before. John Hill was actually able to convince him to, to join him on it. And I'm really glad he did. Like, I'm. I don't know Channing Tatum from that many things, but everything. I see him and he's actually pretty funny. [00:05:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I was very pleased with the chemistry between the two. Their banter back and forth is what really entertains me in the film. The plot is trash. We know it's trash. They even say it's trash. We know, right? The idea that these guys are going to actually pass as high schoolers is ridiculous. The only reason the viewer doesn't see the striking juxtaposition of age is because all of the high school kids are actually 20 year old actors or more so. They all look really similar in age, but they're all too old to be in high school, so that's fine. So you got to rely on some of this dialogue Some of the jokes that they're telling in the banter between these two, and they have great chemistry. So I'm glad that we got Channing Tatum. It doesn't seem like it would be a great fit, but it does work out. They do come off as good friends. [00:06:47] Speaker C: Yeah. And I mean, in fairness, the entire cast, the entire time is also commenting like, you guys look really old. Yeah. [00:06:55] Speaker B: For some reason. [00:06:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:56] Speaker B: Like, like Tatum gets a bunch of those references for some reason, so. But they both looked old to me. [00:07:03] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I don't know how old Jonah Hill is at this point, but yeah, he's got to be late 20s, early 30s, I would assume. Like, there's no way. Yeah, I think high school, but no, like the cast in general. Like, I actually, I really liked Ice Cube in this film. I, if I remember correctly, I like him actually more in the sequel. There's definitely a couple of parts where I just. He just gets me like, just a look. [00:07:27] Speaker B: Oh, like I'm gonna have to hard disagree with you on this one. I did not like Ice Cube in this. I thought he was one of the weakest parts of the film. I thought his jokes were way too heavy handed and a little too crass for me. [00:07:41] Speaker C: I'll agree with you on the crass for sure. [00:07:43] Speaker B: Really didn't really like it much. It just didn't. It felt jarring to me. [00:07:47] Speaker C: I, I'll give, I'll give you the crass 100. There's a lot of this movie that's really crass and a lot of the jokes do not work for me at all. We. [00:07:54] Speaker B: We run into this issue with humor. All of us have different angles on what we like for comedy. And so, you know, if Will was here, he'd probably have his own take on different parts of this film. There were some jokes that I definitely didn't laugh at that I know you probably were laughing at and vice versa. [00:08:11] Speaker C: I'm. I'm certain that's true. I don't know off the top of my head which ones that I was killing myself out that you probably didn't get or not. Sorry. Not that you didn't get that you probably didn't find as fun. [00:08:19] Speaker A: Right. [00:08:21] Speaker C: I, I will bet money I have not watched it. I have not seen it. I know that it works and hopefully we can get it to go later in the episode. I'm gonna guess Will hated this movie. I'm gonna guess this is one where he's like, I had no desire to watch this. The only reason I watched this because the episode and I'll never watch it again is. Is my guess. I will be pleasantly surprised if he enjoyed this at all. [00:08:43] Speaker B: You know, I don't know. I think there's 50, 50 odds on this one whether he likes it or not. We'll have to watch this video clip and find out where he lands on it, so stay tuned for that as well. For. For me, you know, I have trouble with comedies because my sense of humor changes as I grow older. And we've revisited other comedies and they don't hold up. Anchorman for one. I remember when that movie first came out, everybody was quoting lines from it. It was a hilarious movie. We re watched that franchise. I hated the film. I was like, this is terrible. It's not funny. It's inappropriate. So I've obviously grown up a bunch. So for this film, not being not quite as old, but for this film, I feel like maybe I did grow out of some of the jokes, but for the most part, I still was able to just kind of let go and have some fun with the silliness of it. You know, like when they get their first arrest and they're like kind of teabagging the guy on the ground and everything. I was chuckling at that. I think I probably was laughing harder the first time around because it's so immature, but I was still having a good time with it. But there were other jokes, like when the teacher is coming on to Jenko Channing Tatum's character and he tries to, like, push her away with a crass statement. He's like, I got to go take a dump. You know? And I'm just like, toilet humor. I grew out of that years ago. Like, no, it's not good for me. So hits and misses here. [00:10:21] Speaker C: I'll agree with you that I got to take a dump line didn't work for me whatsoever. But I'll disagree with you that the arresting the guy and teabagging him also didn't work for me. But for a second there, I thought you were going to say that the teacher, Ellie Kemper's character didn't work for you. And I was like, I thought she was hilarious. [00:10:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I didn't like her. [00:10:38] Speaker C: It was seriously at the prom when she's just like, what are you doing here? You're getting in trouble. Please don't leave me. You're so gorgeous. No, but you have to go. But. Oh, God, please stay. Like, I. Ah. She was killing me. I was. I really like her. [00:10:49] Speaker B: She was good. And I like that. That. I mean, we've Seen that kind of skit before where somebody's secretly obviously in love. And so it was. It was good and she did a good job, but I just. I don't know. It. I. Maybe because we just came off of American Beauty. Be sure to check out that episode, the age difference creepy kind of thing. I was still in the. He's supposed to be a high school kid and you're supposed to be a teacher, and you're obviously fawning over him. So felt creepy. Maybe that could have just been the way we rolled into this movie. I don't know. [00:11:24] Speaker C: So that one didn't bother me as much. I get what you're saying. But that one didn't bother me much because they probably actually are pretty close in age. [00:11:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:31] Speaker C: Whereas, like, Jonah Hill and Brie Larson, like, she actually is a high school student. [00:11:38] Speaker B: They did make a mention that she was 18 in there. And I think that was intentional. [00:11:43] Speaker C: Very early, very early. On purpose to just be like, no, no, she's legal. Like, don't yell at us. It's still gross. Because he's probably 24, 25 in the movie. [00:11:53] Speaker B: Right. [00:11:53] Speaker C: Jump seven years from high school. So I got to assume he's in that range, which is not, like, the biggest age gap, but it's definitely a very important age gap when you're 18 to 25. So that was like, oh, I. I get you pointed. She's 18. But it's still. It's still a little too close to the line for me. [00:12:11] Speaker B: And my wife is seven years younger than me, so I'm not, you know, estranged from this idea entirely. But, yeah, I. I do. I do actually believe it's because we're rolling hot off the heels of American Beauty, and that was super creepy later. Re watching that. And so I do think it's just got me in this state of mind where I'm not interested in. In teenagers in high school. It's just a little too much. [00:12:37] Speaker C: That's fair. That's fair. So did you bump into the Jonah Hill Brie Larson? Like, you're talking about the teacher with the student. [00:12:43] Speaker B: You know, for some reason, the Jonah Hill Brie Larson thing didn't bother me as much, but it still. It was still there. It was still in my mind. I was like, she's a kitten. She's a. She's a high school girl, and you're supposed to be well out of high school. So it's still a little creepy. For some reason, it didn't bother me quite as much as the Channing Tatum with The teacher thing. But, yeah, interesting is what it is. [00:13:08] Speaker C: I actually, I found, like, I don't. I can't picture many movies I've seen with Brie Larson in them. I actually liked her quite a bit in this. I thought, pretty cute. [00:13:20] Speaker B: Yeah, she was good. I enjoyed her character. I enjoyed what she did in this movie. She. She did a fantastic job. [00:13:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. So going back to the humor for a second, because you're right, humor is incredibly subjective. This movie is directed by Lord and Miller, Phil Lord and Chris Miller. I believe they're. Their full names are Christopher Miller, who have just an incredible track record for me with 2122 Jump street project hail Mary, I think it's Meet the Robinsons, I believe. And then, of course, the big ones for me are the into the Spider Verse and Across the Spider Verse movies. Everything I just listed, I absolutely adore. So, like, I. I really like these guys. I like their sense of humor. I like the projects they're working on. And I. I wish so hard that we could see their version of Solo, because unfortunately they were fired from Star Wars, a solo movie. And then we got the version we got, which I don't think is a terrible film, but, like, I just really wish. [00:14:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, they would have done with it. Yeah, yeah. [00:14:18] Speaker C: Are you familiar with Phil Lord Miller? [00:14:21] Speaker B: They're not anybody that jumps out at me particularly. But, you know, you and Will are the ones who remember everybody's name in Hollywood and, you know, have their posters on the walls and everything. Me, I just watch the movies and then usually forget about them because I can't remember what I had for breakfast. But, you know, the Spider Verse films for sure are fantastic. I haven't seen Project Hail Mary yet. Very interested to see that because I. I enjoyed the book and I enjoyed the Martian. I enjoyed the Martian movie. So I kind of want to see where Project Hail Mary goes. But. [00:14:51] Speaker C: But, yeah, this isn't that podcast, but, like, I would. Especially for you, I would definitely say go watch it on a big screen. Like. Like see it before it leaves theaters. [00:15:00] Speaker B: Okay. [00:15:00] Speaker C: It's gorgeous. [00:15:03] Speaker B: Check it out for sure. [00:15:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:06] Speaker B: So one. One person in Hollywood who I'm not a huge fan of, per se, is Jonah Hill. I liked him in Superbad, and then I kind of felt like he was just kind of riding those coattails for a very long time, and I didn't really see anything new come from him. And then when he did do new and different things, he kind of had a bit of an angry tone about him most of the time. And it's kind of rough. So that's just my perspective on Jonah Hill, but I still think he's got some chops. And this was kind of in the hiatus of his career, back when he was doing more comedy and less serious stuff. And I think he did. I think he did a great job in this film. And I think one of the things that I liked about this movie was the role reversal. When they go to high school and find out that high school is not like he used to be, that was kind of interesting. That was probably the only plot point that was fresh and different and new. And I liked it because, like, the kids were all environmentally friendly and stuff. And Channing Tatum's character was this jock guy who likes to make fun of people who try, and suddenly he's on the outs. So we had them do this role reversal. And of course, it led into some, like, cliche. Let's, you know, break up as friends and get back together in the end and. And whatnot. But they. They negotiated some of those cliches pretty well. I liked when they're getting dressed, getting ready for prom, they're clearly still upset, but work with each other. It was a decent scene that they had there. I. I liked it. [00:16:39] Speaker C: I'm so sorry. You. You stuttered hard there for a second, like your camera stopped or something. [00:16:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Something happened there. In fact, the whole Restream went black and phased phase that. It was like I was waiting to join Restream. So I don't know what happened. Do we need to do that? Just cut the damn thing out. [00:16:56] Speaker C: Who cares? [00:16:56] Speaker B: I was just bitching about Jonah Hill. [00:16:58] Speaker C: Well, I mean, you're not entirely wrong. I. I feel very similar in a lot of ways. I liked Super Bad. Okay. Didn't. I didn't love it. People did. I like the 21 jump streets, and I love Wolf of Wall Street. It's. [00:17:11] Speaker B: Wall street is fantastic. [00:17:12] Speaker C: It's all terrible people, but it's a great movie. But, like, I would definitely not. Jonah Hill is not the kind of person who brings me into a movie. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not gonna go watch a movie because he's in it. [00:17:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:24] Speaker C: But he's definitely been in movies that I have enjoyed. [00:17:26] Speaker B: Yep. And he's done. He's done a great job in several movies. There are just several times when I didn't really care for his performance in films or he maybe made. Made a film worse for me because of his performance. [00:17:38] Speaker C: He definitely has a tendency to go, like, way over the top, like, almost like A. [00:17:41] Speaker B: A little too far sometimes. Yeah. [00:17:44] Speaker C: Will Fell type yelling is funny. And it's just like, no, I'm, I'm good. Like less is more sometimes. [00:17:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:49] Speaker C: Which, I mean, I think Chanum Tatum kind of brought that energy to this one. Like, he is a much more downplayed. Like he's the straight man. Right to Jonah Hill's wild. And I think they, they had a pretty decent chemistry. I like what you were talking about, about how they kind of that role reversal where, you know, the, the nerds are the cool kids to some extent. Right. Like, or the. [00:18:09] Speaker B: Yeah, they turned out to be. Sure. [00:18:13] Speaker C: Poor warning. [00:18:14] Speaker B: But yeah, like, like drug dealing rich kids kinda. They kind of sucked even worse. But. And, but at the same time it was like, what was cool then is no longer cool now. And you know, Jonah Hill said, like, you know, had I just been in high school, you know, four years later, I'd have been king of the school. [00:18:37] Speaker C: I felt that, like, I, I feel that a little bit. Like, don't get me wrong, I like where my life is at, but like, there's a point where I'm like, man, like, video games are cool now. Like, why wasn't this where I was in high school? Like, what the hell? [00:18:48] Speaker B: For sure. [00:18:51] Speaker C: I also like, because not only do they have the role reversal of like what every kid is like in school, but they also kind of flip. Like they get their characters wrong. So, you know, Jonah Hill has to try and be the. [00:19:02] Speaker B: Yes, that was. That was cool too. Yes, that was cool too. I like that. And one other thing that I really liked was the captain says, yeah, there's a lot of cliches. Just lean into it, right? He's telling the audience that too. And they immediately go to the parking lot scene. So they're walking down and they're pointing out all the different cliches and suddenly they start coming on these cliches they've never seen before because they're kind of new. [00:19:26] Speaker C: But like anime girls are like, don't know what that is. [00:19:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it was, it was really good because. Because I too was like, I'm unfamiliar with that as well. [00:19:36] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know what to call that, but okay. Yeah, I don't know. [00:19:44] Speaker B: Was. It was just amazing to see what they could do script wise with such a boring, tired, trash plot and still make it funny, you know, and, and put some freshness into it. So they did a lot with a little bit and it was kind of cool because this could have been a terrible, terrible movie, but because they didn't take it seriously because they damn near broke the fourth wall with the audience at times. They made this a. A hilarious film. Actually, I laughed a lot during this. I had some really good laughs at this. There are very few jokes that did fall flat, and those were just. That was just not my. Not my bag. That's all. [00:20:25] Speaker C: Usually for me, it was like they weren't. They weren't like, jokes that fell flat for me. It was just some of the dialogue back and forth kind of getting between the two jokes, you know, like, where they're just calling them like. Like the. The teabagging and thrusting the cop and stuff like that. Like, that was all just a little too much for me. But at the same time, it was just kind of like, okay, it's like two seconds as we get from A to B kind of a thing. A lot of this movie, kind of like you were saying with Greenland last week, was just like, okay, here are the major things we want to do. We want to have this, like, bike chasing, the beginning. We want to have the car chase there. We want to have the drug dealer, but it's like their friend in high school. All these different scenes. And then we try to have these weird scenes to get to and from. But again, like, so many of them worked for me. Even the few that didn't were just overshadowed by what did. One of the scenes I thought was absolutely hilarious was when they're stopped in the hallway and they are just tripping and they're talking to the. The coach or whatever, and all of a sudden he's like an ice cream cone and other things, like, I just want to lick you. He's like, no, put your time back in. That's weird. Like, there's just like, it's such a dumb scene, and it could have gone horribly, but it absolutely worked for me. Despite itself. I don't really know. [00:21:37] Speaker B: But, yeah, I love the. The how they're watching the video of the kid using drugs, and it gives you the demonstration of the different stages. And then throughout the movie, other people experience those stages and you get those quick cuts where it, you know, shows. You know, the tripping ball scene or whatever. Those are really good. I. I like the way they piece that together, the foreshadowing and then using that joke repeatedly throughout the film without it getting tired. It was. It was a great gag. It worked really well, and I had fun with that. The drug itself was. Was stupid, but you forgive it because the humor that they brought to the table because of it worked, and it was a lot of fun. I would, I would say that this has components that we talked about in the previous videos of Greenland and Greenland 2 where Greenland had these excellent, exciting sequences that were tied together with absolute garbage plot lines. And you're okay with it because the sequences were so funny. This one had this movie. 21 Jump street had faults for sure, but because I was laughing at most of the stuff, I didn't mind the bad tie ins and the, the, the trash plot that they use to get around through this film. And unlike Greenland 2 where everything in that film sucked, including the way they tied it together, this one has substance. So I am worried that 22 Jump street is going to be a Greenland 2 where it's got not only trash plot lines, trash ways to get from A to B, but, but when you're at A or B, it is also going to be garbage. That's my fear that they lose the humor, they lose the banter, they lose the chemistry. We'll see. That's going to be next week for me. 21 Jump street was definitely a win. Has its faults, but still really good. [00:23:34] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I, I don't remember 22 as well. I know I've seen it. I've probably seen it twice. There's definitely one scene that I'm just waiting for, but other than that I'm just like, I'm pretty sure I remember and it does hold up. I don't think it's maybe as good, but it's definitely not like falling off a cliff like some sequels do, especially comedy sequels. Like, one of the main reasons I wanted to push for this franchise is because like, I think you had made mention before we even put it on the calendar that you were not a fan. And I was like, that sucks because I don't feel like I, like, I think I have a bit of an idea of Will's sense of humor. I don't know that I've got your sense of humor as locked in just yet, or at least not your sense of humor in film. But this is one where I was like, I really like the humor in this one. I would love to share it with you guys, but I don't know that it's gonna resonate with you as well. But there's so few comedies that are franchises. [00:24:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:28] Speaker C: That are funny. Like we tried Anchorman, that was a fail. Zoolander is going to be atrocious if we ever have to get to that. Like there's not, there's a lot of comedies that have like similar DNA, but they're not technically A franchise? [00:24:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, a lot of the Mel Brooks [00:24:45] Speaker C: and stuff like that. Like, all the Mel Brooks are all similar, but they're not related. So I was like, I would love this one to actually work and be something that is comedic that we can share and have on this and not be at the very bottom of the pile. [00:24:58] Speaker B: Yep. Sorry, go ahead. Exactly. I was gonna say that, you know, humor evolves so much and so rapidly over time that standup skits from the 90s don't hold up today. And movies from the 90s don't hold UP today because our appreciation of humor evolves, and those stay exactly the same, frozen in time. So it's kind of tough because I may go back to Robin Hood men in tights going, yeah, this movie made me laugh my ass off. And I revisit it now and go, what was I thinking? You just never know. [00:25:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I. So I watched Airplane way too late in life, which is to say, like, he came out, like, 81 or something. And I probably watched it in, like, 2017 with my wife. And it was. It's on my movie poster, so I kind of had to watch it, but I was not looking forward to it because of. Exactly. You're talking about, like. Like, humor just evolves. I died laughing. Like, that movie was still really funny to me because I didn't see it coming a lot. Not a lot. There are definitely certain types of humor that are shock value. Like, if you don't see it coming, it'll be really, really funny to you. And as things. Not as. Not only is humor evolves, but just as, like, movies grow, they steal from each other so much that you don't get as shocked by seeing something even though it's the first time you've seen it, because you're like, well, I've seen similar rifts of that going on. [00:26:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:20] Speaker C: An example of that in this movie was when they're on the highway and, like, they're leading up to this big explosion, and then nothing happens. [00:26:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that was good. [00:26:29] Speaker C: And it was like. But, like, I do feel like we've seen that before. And then finally, the chickens is the one that explodes, and you're just like, yeah, really? Okay. I don't know. Maybe it's because I'd seen it. Maybe because I've seen this movie a couple of times, and, like, some of the jokes did work for me because they were more dialogue based, whereas that was more of, like, a sight gag that I was kind of like. Like, I could tell it's well done. [00:26:50] Speaker B: See, I had Forgotten about the explosion 1. And so it made me laugh, you know, and I. I did. I did enjoy it. Again, it was. The movie was making fun of itself and making fun of the cliches, so I appreciated that. One of my favorite types of humor is simple, like ad lib, banter, freestyle dialogue between characters who genuinely have chemistry on and off screen. Those are the ones that usually make me laugh because it's things that you just like, you know, these people were having a good time filming the movie. You just know it's. You can just see it. You could feel it in the bones of the film. And so it helps me to laugh about it because these people are having a good time, whether they're doing a scary or frightening skit or an angry skit or whatever. You know that in reality, these people are trying to keep their. Together and not break out laughing because it's so hilarious. That's the kind of stuff. So Saturday Night Live skits, that's the kind of stuff I love to watch because they're kind of just freestyling stuff, making it happen right then and there. And it usually comes out pretty good, or at least the older stuff does. I haven't watched Saturday Night Live in quite some time. [00:27:59] Speaker C: I haven't very, very long time. Except for maybe the odd clip here and there, I'll agree with exactly what you're saying, but I'll take it one step further. Even serious movies, when you can tell there's a really good chemistry between the lead actors, I only go to Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. I'll watch almost anything those two guys are in together because, you know, they're such good friends behind the scenes. And most of the time, that comes through really, really well in the chemistry of the movie. Sorry, you were about to ask me a question. [00:28:23] Speaker B: Well, I'm gonna ask you a question about Dave Franco. What did you think about his character? Did you like him? Did you think he did a good job acting? Because for me, not so much on all fronts. [00:28:35] Speaker C: I think he did a decent enough job in the sense that I didn't like him and you're not supposed to like him. So, like, it. It worked. Whether that was like. I didn't. I didn't think he acted poorly. I just wanted to punch him in the face every time he was on screen. [00:28:49] Speaker B: That's definitely true. I just. What I didn't understand was, is why is this the popular kid? This guy's a douchebag. Like his. His friends like that. Click. I could see them being popular and, and being the cool kids or whatever. But Dave Franco was just kind of an, and I, maybe that was what they were going for, but the, the structure of his character just didn't really work for me. And every scene he was in, I was waiting for him to leave. [00:29:22] Speaker C: That's fair. That's, I, I can't argue with that. I, I wasn't, I wasn't the biggest fan. But at the same time, I feel like you could replace him with somebody else and I would feel the same. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know that the, the acting was poor. [00:29:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Maybe it wasn't the actor. Maybe it was the character drawn up. Huss in Chat has it right. Both Francos have punchable faces. [00:29:44] Speaker C: You're not wrong. I, I, it did feel a little simple for how big the school is. The very first person they talk to is the girlfriend of the drug dealer. [00:29:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:00] Speaker C: And they get the drug dealer's number. They're like, hey, I want to buy some stuff. And he's like, cool, meet me here. No clandestine anything. Just straight up, here's my face, I'm dealing drugs. Please arrest me. You're just like, yeah, okay. They had to wait till they found the supplier, but it was like, you're just trying to get caught. [00:30:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a little weird, I think, you know, they were just trying to expedite the movie. They already understand that this plot is full of holes and doesn't make any sense. So they were just trying to get, [00:30:25] Speaker C: just trying to get to the point [00:30:26] Speaker B: A, to point B, and, and I was okay with it because that sequence led to them taking drugs at school and a lot of hilarious stuff ensues and had me laughing. So I immediately forgot about Franco and moved on to laughing and having a good time. [00:30:42] Speaker C: That's fair. I, I, I'm not gonna deny any of that. I have to ask you because I have to assume you, this is not where you got it from, but you have a very specific mug. But I don't know if you've got it handy within reach at the moment. [00:30:57] Speaker B: Shoot him in the dick. [00:30:58] Speaker C: Shoot him in the dick. [00:31:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:01] Speaker C: Did that in any way, shape or form come from this film? Did you completely forget about that? [00:31:05] Speaker B: I completely forgot about that. Completely forgot about that. But we were in the watch party and I was telling Ms. Hillary, I was like, I need to clip that for a redemption from Chat. And then they said something else kind of along the same lines of like, and that one too. I need to go back and clip that. Those are Going to be redemptions on my channel for sure. Yeah, I think it was like Channing Tatum, like, you shot his dick off. [00:31:27] Speaker C: You shot him in the dick. Yeah. I'm picturing you do the exact same thing on your watch right now. Yeah. [00:31:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I was. I was living it up there at the watch party for that scene. That was kind of funny. So, yeah, I am gonna go back and clip those and put those as redemptions on my. On my Twitch stream. [00:31:43] Speaker C: It was one of the things where, like, if I didn't know you, I don't think that joke would have worked for me, but. Because I also forgot about that. And then I remembered, like, your. Your line. I was just like, oh, my God, that's perfect. [00:31:54] Speaker B: Yep. But yeah, that's. That's pretty good. [00:31:57] Speaker C: If you like what we do and you want to help support us, consider joining the Patreon. There's a link down below. Thank you to our producers as well as our executive producer, Dino, and of course, our head writers, Elder JM990, Ms. Hillary, and Real Bubba Hotep. Thank you all so much. [00:32:14] Speaker B: 21 Jump Street. Jumping into the streets here. I don't really understand why it's called 21 Jump Street. I guess that's the address of the church on Jump Street, I guess. But either way, forget the title, forget the plot, forget the source material. This movie made me laugh. That's what I want from a comedy. That's all that really matters. When you go to see a comedy, you need to laugh. I laughed a lot during this film, so that was okay. When you get into the nuts and bolts of things, there's definitely some ups and downs, some stuff that could have been better. It's not going to win any awards for just about anything. But I had a good time and I laughed. That's what I wanted. Movie gets a 69. If you're into comedies, this is one that you should definitely watch. [00:32:57] Speaker C: I have to agree with everything Brian said. There's not a whole lot to rate on this one. I think the needle drops. Like, the songs in this were well chosen. I like that they had NWA and of course Ice Cube is in this film. I love Lord Miller. I liked enough of the actors in this. I think the chemistry between Jonah Hill and Channing Tatum was actually really fun. But at the end of the day, like, I don't really care that much about the cinematography. Stuff like this in a comedy. When I go to watch a comedy, I want to laugh. I laughed a lot. This is the third time I've seen this Film. And I was still laughing with my wife. Now, admittedly, three times in 14 years, we're not watching this very often, so we do give ourselves time to cool down on it, forget some of the jokes. But I laughed a lot, and I'm looking forward to seeing the sequel. That's kind of exactly what I want from a comedy. So this one gets a 79 from me. [00:33:41] Speaker B: All right, before we watch Will's clip. [00:33:44] Speaker C: Oh, it's going to be lower than 50. [00:33:46] Speaker B: Guess. Guess the number. Give me a number. I'm gonna throw out a 61. [00:33:54] Speaker C: I said lower than 50. I'm gonna go 55. [00:33:56] Speaker B: You know, 55. [00:33:58] Speaker C: I'm gonna go. It's a pass because I don't know, [00:34:02] Speaker B: it's quality enough built film that it's technically plausible. [00:34:05] Speaker C: Exactly. Like if there's nothing pretty terrible. [00:34:08] Speaker B: But. And it just really depends, if Will finds the humor funny, then he'll probably give the writing a pass. [00:34:17] Speaker C: I just. Of all the things we've seen, I can't imagine he's gonna give the writing a pass on this one. And of what I've seen from Will's sense of humor, I just don't think this is gonna tick that box. I think it's gonna be. [00:34:30] Speaker B: I think. I think you may be right. I might be coming in high. 61. Chat's thrown out. 55, 52, 64, 60. [00:34:37] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm in the 50 to 55 range. I think it's gonna get a pass, but a really bad one. And definitely not a recommend. But what do you think, Will? [00:34:46] Speaker A: So this is a movie I passed on back in 2012 when it released. It didn't seem to be a movie I had any interest in whatsoever. Past me was 100% correct. I didn't care for this movie whatsoever. I had something about the Judd Apato brand of humor, the raunchy comedies, the stupid people doing stupid things for stupid reasons. I just never really got behind that kind of comedy. You. You can recall back to Anchorman. I never watched that movie until our rating, and I didn't care for it. I didn't watch this movie until our rating, and I didn't care for it. The premise is whatever we've seen, you know, the unpopular kid become popular, that. That switch in power or whatever has. Has happened before in other movies and shows, and this one is not great in its execution. There just was nothing I found funny in this movie. Almost nothing, anyway. And furthermore, the recent watching of American Beauty for our rating kind of just like hit hard in this movie as well, where you've got this person of power, what's his name? Jonah Hill's character, who is a police officer who is currently on the job, but he's also crushing on this high school student. Kind of creepy. Even more so is the Ellie Kempler character, the teacher who is straight up verbally sexually assaulting Channum Tatum's character, who is, as far as she knows, a high school student as well. So none of these made for any laughs for me. I mean, just because they are of age, is that supposed to make it funny? I. I didn't get it. Maybe I'm just a stick in the mud. I don't know what it is. Aside from that, was there anything that I enjoyed about this movie? I guess the cameo appearance from the 21 Jump street characters from the 80s TV show, that was kind of fun. It was short enough and sweet enough that, you know, it. It played okay. And I guess I like the Nick Offerman character. You know, he was in it for a grand total of five minutes in the movie, and then the movie went downhill from there. For me, maybe what it is is Nick Offerman is a very skilled actor and is able to ground his characters enough in reality that you believe them. And that's what makes it funny, is that characters who know they're dumb and act dumb and do dumb things aren't engaging to me. Whereas characters who are grounded and come across as real and do dumb things, that can create comedy. And maybe that's a difference in. In this brand of comedy that I. I just don't. I can't get attached to any of these characters because I just don't feel anything for them. I don't believe them. It's just. There's nothing to them but stupidity. And that's supposed to be funny. But if it's not based in any reality or you can't relate to it at all, I don't. I just don't see where the humor is. I don't know, maybe it's just me. It seems it probably is just me. Reviews for this movie across the board, from the past until now, people are still talking about how funny this movie is. I just don't see it. But I mean, it's the same with any movie. Old school. Most of Will Ferro's movies, the Hangover, this Eddie Jump, Abata, Apato, whatever his name is, those movies just don't do it for me. This movie didn't do it for me. [00:38:37] Speaker B: 44 out of 100. [00:38:38] Speaker A: I cannot wait to watch 22 Jump Street. [00:38:42] Speaker C: I think he's lying to us. I don't think he wants to watch 42 Jump street at all. [00:38:48] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. Ouch. Man, he came down harsh on that. But you know what? Will does like intelligent writing, intelligent comedy, and so this all checks. I'm glad that he and I are on the same page of it being creepy, especially coming off of the heels of American Beauty, so I get that. But, man, maybe somebody get this guy a blob before he's gonna go watch one of these dumb humor movies, you know, let him just bring himself down so he can enjoy it, I guess. [00:39:21] Speaker C: It was interesting that you both mentioned American Beauty. I didn't. I didn't hit on that at all. I did pick up on the, like, it's weird, the. The age difference on these two characters or the. The two different relationships, but I never put that together with American Beauty and, like, connected that dot specifically. [00:39:37] Speaker B: We never thought about it the first time we saw American Beauty. We all said we didn't really think about that age difference when we were younger. And I never thought about it in 21 Jump Street. The first time I saw it. But now that I'm older, I do think, hey, like Will said, this is a person who's supposed to be in a position of power, who's pretending to be younger and taking advantage of this girl, whether it's intentional or realistic or not. You know, he shouldn't be doing that, so. [00:40:06] Speaker C: Oh, for sure. I. I understand the connection. I just didn't. [00:40:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:40:10] Speaker C: Didn't hit up against it while watching it. And with that, we see 21 Jump street coming in just below Avatar with a total rating of 64. That's a 79 from me, a 69 from Brian, and a 44 from Will. This is disappointingly low for me. I was hoping this would be a comedy franchise that would kind of maybe not crack the top 10, but, like, at least be in the upper half. And I don't think if Will didn't like 21 Jump Street, I can't imagine he's gonna like 22 Jump Street. So I'm imagining this will stay around where it is, maybe even coming down a little bit. I'm not entirely sure. What do you think about the placement, Brian? [00:40:43] Speaker B: Okay, I think it's pretty close to Beverly Hills Cop, probably the first or last films. You know, we only have one movie to go off of a franchise to the whole franchise of Beverly Hills copy, so. And that's kind of apples to apples right there. Then comparing it up to Avatar, Evil Dead, the Conjuring. Those are harder to compare it to. Right? Especially to Avatar with extraordinarily huge budget, all CGI action adventure kind of stuff. But I gotta tell you, I enjoyed watching 21 Jump street more than I enjoyed watching Avatar. [00:41:20] Speaker C: I liked it a whole lot more than watching Beverly Hills Cop too. [00:41:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So I'm. I'm okay with this. I would be a little bit more okay with it if it had come in above Avatar, which, I mean, my score says that right there, so. [00:41:36] Speaker C: But like, you gave it a 69. If it came in in that range and like the it conjuring, Jurassic park range, I'd be okay with that. So, like, just a little higher than it currently is. I'm not saying it should be like, top of the list, but like, a little. [00:41:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I mean. And of course, our ratings reflect a lot of different things. Each of the three of us rate movies differently. We have our own personal criteria that we use to come up with our score between 1 and 100. We all agree that 50 is kind of the break point between a movie that we would ever recommend to someone or a movie that you shouldn't ever see. However, how we get those numbers is different for all three of us. And so when you get into some of those other movies, there's reasons that maybe the it and conjuring did way better than 21 Jump street because of the way that they were constructed. But maybe we didn't enjoy them as much as 21 Jump street because I know I would rather watch the Jurassic park franchise than the 21. Than the jump street franchise. Yeah, but, you know, I don't like the Avatar franchise. So it all depends and it's all up to your taste. But we arrive at these numbers through a weird, convoluted way, and we all have our own taste. And then, of course, as we've said as we go through these comedy films, the humor is so subjective. We can see some wild swings in the comedy section. [00:43:00] Speaker C: Well, that's our rating of 21 Jump street, but what's yours? Leave a comment down below. I'd love to hear from you. We record this every Thursday night at 9:00pm Eastern Standard Time over at Twitch TV, the Mongoolie Show. So head over there. 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