Ep 73 - Glass Onion (2022)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Glass Onion, 2022. With the world shut down due to pandemic and nothing to do, world renowned investigator Benoit Blanc jumps at the invite to a murder mystery party weekend with complete strangers just for the chance to scratch his investigative it. [00:00:27] Speaker B: Hello, everybody, and welcome back to our Rating the show where I get together with two of my friends, we take a movie franchise, break it down by film, throw it up on the board, and see where they land compared to the other movie franchises. This week we're talking about Glass Onion, and I'm joined, as always, by Will and Brian. Brian, how are you doing this week? [00:00:42] Speaker C: I'm doing great. Dan, how are you? [00:00:44] Speaker B: I'm doing very well. Will, how are you? [00:00:47] Speaker A: Happy, happy, happy. [00:00:49] Speaker B: Excellent. Now, my understanding, because we talked about Knives out last week, this is both of your first time viewing for Glass Onion, is that correct? [00:00:57] Speaker A: Absolutely, yes. [00:00:59] Speaker B: Excellent. Now, I had seen this one before. We did a rewatch in the. The Watch Party section of the Discord. Brian and I did it along with a couple of our viewers. That was a lot of fun. What. What were your first impressions coming to this movie after seeing Knives out so recently? [00:01:15] Speaker A: I was excited to see the next installation. I just had never gotten around to it. It's not. I had no reason not to watch this when it came out. Aside from it just, you know, kind of slipped past. And so I was happy that we're doing it here, and I was excited to watch it. [00:01:32] Speaker B: Nice. [00:01:32] Speaker C: Yeah, for me, I. I didn't realize I had seen the original Knives out and so I watched it again, and then again, I think I watched that total like four times over the course of when it first arrived on streaming platforms because I never did see in theaters. However, I knew we were going to do this as a franchise, so I held off on watching Glass Onion and Wake the Wake the Dead or the third movie, whatever it's called. [00:01:58] Speaker B: Wake Up Dead Man. [00:01:58] Speaker C: Wake Up Dead Man. I still haven't seen that. Yes. So this one was highly anticipated for me coming into it. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Very nice. I had seen this one before. Why are you laughing at that? [00:02:13] Speaker A: Just. I could see the hesitation in his face there. He was highly anticipating it. [00:02:21] Speaker C: Yeah. Hang in there. We get to a rating where you can see where these post up on a board compared to other franchises and where this movie compares to its predecessor and so on. So you'll see all that coming up. And I'm going to let us unfold this. The layers of this Onion as it were, a bit before I go throwing everything out there. [00:02:43] Speaker B: Very nice. I'm sure we Won't overuse that analogy at all during this. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Yep. So. [00:02:48] Speaker B: So I watched this one when it first came out. This one, I believe did not come to theaters. I believe this is a Netflix exclusive. So it. It came out directly on Netflix. I watched it with my wife and I. I feel like I liked it at the time. This is not my genre, as we discussed last two weeks, but I feel like I liked it well enough. Like it was kind of silly and ridiculous and it kind of played into itself. Watching this the second time, I kind of realized like how much it played into itself. Like how. How silly it got. And one of the things we talked about with Glass Onion. Sorry, with Knives out was how incredible it was. They tied everything together. Everything made sense. All of the little details. I probably missed a bunch, but I didn't feel like this one tied itself up in quite the same neat little bow that Knives out did. It felt like there were things that were kind of thrown in to be weird as opposed to to be part of the plot. Would you agree with that or do you think that it felt like the self contained, perfect movie that. Well, not perfect, but incredible movie that Knives out was. Or was it a little bit more loose? [00:03:51] Speaker A: I feel what you're saying. Like the thing is with a lot of different murder mystery type tropes, this one has some of those that Knives out didn't. But it doesn't add as well to the story, like red herrings. The dude that's just on the beach hanging out is just a total red herring throughout the whole movie. Whether you like him or not doesn't matter. He's there. And so in re watching and things like that, those are details in this movie that don't really add to repayability or re watchability. Not in the same way. Whereas Knives out felt like so well crafted in its story, its characters and every detail, I felt that this one was more of a stereotypical murder mystery, which doesn't lend well to re watchability as much. [00:04:48] Speaker C: I can agree with that. I felt like in the previous film, which you can find on YouTube by the way, if you haven't seen that review, I felt like there were no throwaway lines in that movie. Every single word uttered in that film, even stuff that you thought was just background chatter, was important and relevant to the story. Where in this one there is a lot of silly, absolutely pointless stuff. Some things which were painful to see and witness. Again, they had a bunch of COVID references where people were wearing masks and it had nothing to do with the story. And it was completely unnecessary. We had, you know, the guy that was just there, that never played a point. It was. Was kind of funny, but because the first movie was so intricately woven, I just knew that guy would have some role in the film. But as you said, clean. It was a red herring. It was nothing. And there was a lot of just, like, chatter and babble that had no point being in the film. People running around in circles or complaining about things that weren't relevant. And I just, I kept waiting for it to have some sort of importance, but it was more of a waste of time. [00:05:59] Speaker B: I will say I really liked Daryl. Like, he was one of the weird, throwaway, nonsense things that made me chuckle pretty much every time he was on screen. Just his character be like, oh, hey, I'm not. I'm not here. Ignore me. I don't know why. It just made me laugh. And then at the very end when Buno Blanc is just sitting with him, like, having a cigar and just laughing at all the chaos. Yeah, yeah, I, I just, I really. That one did land for me. There was a lot of other things where I'm just like, why. Why is Hugh Grant in this? Why is Ethan Hawke in this? [00:06:23] Speaker A: Like what? [00:06:23] Speaker B: Like these major actors for these one lines. The COVID thing at the very beginning probably made more sense in 2022 where you're like, why aren't these people wearing masks? Oh, like this guy's got the cure for covet. Apparently in a. Yeah, you're good, you're good. That's the line which was one of those, like, I in 2022 that probably worked. But watching in 2026 is like, oh, yeah, yeah. [00:06:45] Speaker C: I didn't want to be reminded of that. I, I go to the theater to escape reality, not be reminded of it. And that was. Just didn't have importance to the film. And so it really wasn't necessary and it dated the film and it wasn't relevant to. To me watching it at this period in time. And it was. I just didn't like it. It didn't, it didn't jive with me. [00:07:04] Speaker B: Yeah, well, if you wanted to escape reality, this is a good movie for it. Because nothing in this movie makes any sense from the, The, The. The. It looked like it was an ice dock that they made. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:07:19] Speaker A: It was glass or it was glass. Everything's glass there. Right? [00:07:22] Speaker B: That makes more sense because I was like, wouldn't. Like ice would float, but okay, whatever. [00:07:27] Speaker A: The piece of. [00:07:28] Speaker B: Yes, the piece of the, the car rotating outside of his glass onion the glass onion itself just being a reference to some bar that they were at. [00:07:36] Speaker C: I did like the light. Why is it on the roof? Well, there's nowhere to drive it on an island. That was pretty funny. Just the absolute luxurious wealth being wasted was kind of humorous but pointless also. [00:07:50] Speaker B: Well, it seemed like it only existed so that Benoit Blanc would know what kind of car he drove. Like that is the entire reason they had that on the side of his onion. Rotating for no reason is just so Benoit Blanc be like, oh, he drives that kind of a car so that later on he'd know it. But like there's so many other ways around that. [00:08:06] Speaker A: Like it. [00:08:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it just felt unnecessarily silly. The hourly dong was I'm sure supposed to be hilarious or fit into the plot in some way. But like eh, the Mona Lisa constantly closing and opening. Like obviously that did play a part at the end, but it was also just like, okay, just stop that noise please. [00:08:25] Speaker C: Yeah, they so overshadowed that one. It was a bit much. I, I will say when he said I want my name to be with the Mona Lisa in history. I really liked how that came together at the end. I knew something was going to happen with the painting because they overshadowed the door going up and down. I didn't really see what was coming. But it was a good finish for me. The way that she made his wish come true. Curls the monkey paw. [00:08:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:58] Speaker B: All they had to do really was just prove that there was a way to open the door. Like he's such a egotistical prick that like he had to put away to be able to see it without the glass in the way that was. That was good enough for me. I didn't need every cell phone ding to open and close it. But whatever. That's a pretty minor thing. It was just one of those like, why are we doing this? This is everything in Knives out felt like it had a purpose. And there was a lot of things in this movie where I'm like, why, why, why are we doing this? And maybe watching it four or five times, I'll figure out the answer to that question. But watching it twice, I have no idea. [00:09:28] Speaker C: And, and will. With this being your, your first viewing of the film, did the, did the previous film set expectations for you going into this? Because it certainly did for me. I mean I think that that was detracted from this one. [00:09:40] Speaker B: Sure. [00:09:41] Speaker A: I think, I think that happens with all franchises. Right. You always want the second one to be as good, hopefully as the first first. Although I always try to temper those Expectations, because rarely is that the case. That said, I mean, they did, they did such an amazing job in the first movie, Ryan Johnson and crew, that I found it hard to believe that this one could come to the same level. Especially because I think Ryan Johnson worked for like nine years or something on the first movie. The script and everything, getting it going. And then this one came shortly after that when Netflix, like, here's a bunch of money, let's get going. And on top of that, the Pandemic hit. And so that probably altered a whole bunch of things, which is, you know, why it kind of seeped into the writing. And I didn't mind that maybe as much as you did, Brian. I thought it was kind of funny how we get to see the rich and luxurious handle the. The Pandemic in a very different way than everybody else has to. And I thought it was a little bit on point, maybe a little accurate. It didn't bring back horrible memories or anything like that for me, so it wasn't too. Too bad. But, yeah, I don't know. I wasn't expecting this one to be as good, and I don't think it was as good at the end of the day, you know, playing my hand a little, but I still had. I still had fun. [00:11:05] Speaker B: I think we're all playing our hands a little bit, so I. I didn't [00:11:07] Speaker C: expect this one to be as good either. But because the first one interwove every aspect of itself so well, I kept waiting for the things that seemed nonsensical to have purpose, and they didn't. And so that was a bit of a letdown for me. And had I. Had I just seen this movie first, I think I might have enjoyed it a lot more for its silliness and. And the things that it did point out, I did love how they were pointing out the exuberant wealth being wasted on some of these idiots and the greed. I think it was a great showcasing of that. It's just so much of it was meant to just kind of be silly and for laughs and not much more else. And I was looking deeper and there wasn't any more layers to that aspect of the film. [00:11:53] Speaker A: I mean, it is called Glass Onion, so I think that. I think it's partly on purpose. A lot of. [00:11:58] Speaker C: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, it's got layers, as you can see right through it. [00:12:02] Speaker A: Exactly. I think. I think it's meant to be a little more the. The case. Everything that. How it unfolds, the characters are all a little more hollow in this. And I Think that's a purposely done thing. Whether you like that or not is obviously your. You're up to your taste in onion, but yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of good things as well. [00:12:23] Speaker B: I was just thinking the exact same thing. We've been ragging on this movie a little bit, but there's a lot of good here as well. And one of the things you kind of glazed over there for a second is the cast. I think the cast in this one is absolutely insane. Even the side nothing characters, like the IMDb is a who's who's list. It's ridiculous. [00:12:39] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:12:39] Speaker B: Getting in even like Serena Williams for like one scene, which was actually fairly funny. Ethan Hawke for like one scene. Hugh Grant for like one scene, like all these characters, these major actors or celebrities at least for basically a nothing role like Serena Williams kind of made sense that it was her because it's showing off how much money he's willing to waste with one of the like, highest paid professional athletes going kind of a thing. But even the main cast, like Daniel Craig, obviously, Ed Norton, Kate Hudson, Katherine Hahn, Dave Batista, like just a. A stacked cast of characters that I actually really did enjoy watching. I think nobody lives up to the high height that is Chris Evans. Insert joke here. But as an overall, I think I like this overall cast a little bit more. [00:13:25] Speaker A: Really. [00:13:27] Speaker C: So I enjoyed this cast a lot and thought they did a good job, but I think they were just a point or two behind the previous cast. Same thing with Janelle Monae being our heroine of the film, doing an excellent job. Adorable in her innocence, but also captivating in her determination to get her revenge, which was a little bit different spin on that style of character. So it. She made it uniquely hers and it was, it was great. So I don't have any complaints over it for sure. But if we're gonna go side by side, I would say the slight edge goes to the previous film's cast. [00:14:08] Speaker B: I guess I'll clarify my point. I think the main two actors in the first movie, Anna De Armas and Chris Evans League's better than this one. But in the cast as a whole, I like this one. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I'll go in a different direction, saying I like the characters in the first movie better. The actors I think did great across the board, but I think I just enjoyed the characters more in the first movie. And maybe that's because I enjoy the. The setup more on the first one. Like it's all in one place, whereas this one's like the opposite this one is like grabbing characters from everywhere and then bringing them together where the other movie, it's like the typical murder mystery in one house and then gets separated out into a more. A different genre. But I just like the. And they're all characters, really, in the movies, but I. I just seem to gravitate towards the first characters. Movies, movies, characters. And I don't know. I don't know why I just did. [00:15:07] Speaker C: Could it. Could it be that they. They focused a bit more on you, called them hollow? I think shallow is a better term for most of the characters in this film because they were all just there on greed. And though every character. Just like in the first one, every character had a twist where you think they're doing one thing, there's actually something else going on. And Blanc has to figure out the motive based on that. In this one, I did feel like it was a little bit more like, there's no way you're ever going to see this coming. And. And it would change. And flip. Especially with Batista Duke, Duke's character, when he's standing outside and seeing his girlfriend getting frisky. With Ed Norton's character, you think one thing. And then later, it is something completely different. But still amazing how the emotion came across. Like it was the same emotion both. Both times, but it was a different reason for it. It was. It was very interesting. But there's no way you would see that flip coming. And there were so many of those in the characters that zero foreshadowing to give you a hint or smooth that intricate flip in it just. Oh, you thought it was one thing. It was something completely different. [00:16:23] Speaker B: Almost twists for twists sake. As opposed to actually. [00:16:26] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a good way to say yes. Yeah. [00:16:29] Speaker B: So there was also a moment where. Sorry. With Janelle Monet's character. Characters, if you will, where they did the same thing where they're like, okay, you think you know what's going on. Let's go back and show you what's actually happening. They did in the first movie, and it was great. They did it in this one. And it went on for so long that it was actually jarring when it went back to the present day and you're like, oh, right, yeah. No, that was. That was the past. Like, you're in that for what feels like 25 minutes, and it's just like you almost start thinking that's the movie you're watching, and then you're like, snap back to. You know, they're on the steps at night and you're like, oh, right. Yeah. No, where was I? What's going on? Oh, she just got shot. Okay, cool. Yeah, it was. It was the same trick, but not as masterfully done, I think. [00:17:15] Speaker A: I agree. Part of that reason in being in the first movie. It was in the first half hour. This movie is, like, halfway through the movie. The other issue is with the character herself, Helen. We don't really get to know her until halfway through the movie, and she's, like, the protagonist of the movie, so you don't have as much time to relate with her, you know, and. And root for her. Whereas in the first movie, you're rooting for the. The lead right out of the gate. And I. I just feel like that was a big missing factor in this movie, is that you don't. I didn't really root for her. Even at the end, like you. She's being a badass, which is great, but I'm like, I'm not as invested in it, even though, like, she deserves all the investing. She's had horrible things done to her, and she deserves her, you know, righting the wrongs, but it just. It just didn't click in the same way as the first movie. [00:18:11] Speaker B: I'll go one step further on you. The first movie, you have the murder right off the bat. [00:18:16] Speaker A: Sure. [00:18:16] Speaker B: We don't even know who dies until like, an hour into this. [00:18:21] Speaker C: That felt painfully. Long before the plot thickened. And. And I. I really. I was like, what. What's happening? What am I here for? When is something going to take place? It did take too long to turn that corner. [00:18:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:35] Speaker A: That's fair. [00:18:36] Speaker B: I didn't dislike the idea, like, when she. When she breaks the box apart, like, she's just. I'm not gonna play your effing game. You don't obviously know who she is at that point, but you're like, okay, I kind of like that. That's kind of fun. [00:18:47] Speaker A: And. [00:18:48] Speaker B: And then her taking it to Benoit Blanc and being like, I don't know what this is like, here, help me out. What we got to do. Like, I did, like, everything they did with that, except for maybe the execution of how they presented it to you. [00:18:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:59] Speaker B: Like, it just took a bit too long to get to that, and it took too long to explain all of that, because it doesn't make any sense. The first movie made enough sense. You get it. You get the idea of all of his kids and grandkids want to take him out so they can get the money. You understand the plot of the nurse messing up the. The meds and Thinking that it's on her, he kills himself. Spoilers for a movie you're not watching. The review of all of that works, and then you get to this movie and it's so convoluted. Not bad necessarily, but just requires a lot of explanation just to get you to where you already were. And you're like, okay, now I can start watching the movie I was already watching and have some semblance of an idea of what's going on. [00:19:39] Speaker C: Yeah, the. The murder happened a week prior to them entering the island, and we don't even know that until 45, 55 minutes into the film. And then we have to decide who done it and why. So it was a tough one. Also, I would like to say that the twin sisters. Twin sibling thing, I've never enjoyed that plot device. I think it is terrible. I would say that Glass Onion probably does the best job with it of any movie I've ever seen. Still not a fan. They did it. They did it really well. But it just. It always just feels so cheap to use the twin sibling thing. [00:20:22] Speaker B: So there is. Sorry, before you move on, there's one movie with a twin in it that I like more than this. Actually, quite a bit more than this. I won't spoil that because it is a huge part of the movie. You can message me if you want to let you know, but if you know, you know, I guess slide into Dan's dms, everybody. [00:20:40] Speaker A: This is your advice, Dan? [00:20:41] Speaker B: I think I know them [00:20:44] Speaker A: in the description. [00:20:46] Speaker B: Actually, the Rwandan discord is not in the description that we need to. Whatever. The other thing you're about to say is, as a father of twins, not only will I say I can tell the difference between my identical twins, but, like, their friends can, too. [00:21:00] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:01] Speaker B: So the idea that, like, if she was trying to play it up to people who didn't know her or people like, if she was a celebrity, but nobody met her in person. That's one thing. But you're going to tell me that her business partner couldn't tell the difference between her and her sister. [00:21:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:14] Speaker B: That strikes me as I'm like, supposed [00:21:16] Speaker C: to have been four to six months since she was outcast from the group. So there is a period of time there. And when she arrives on the dock at the boat, she is staying away from everybody, not saying anything. She's motion sickness. On the boat. On the boat. So she's pretending to just be angry and aloof from everyone. And so there. There is that. Which was a nice angle to try and tamper. What you said Dan still doesn't really work. I was the same thing. As soon as it's the. It's twin sibling, I'm like, really? They didn't notice, really? Yeah, yeah. [00:21:52] Speaker A: I mean, there's, there's. There's a lot of odd things that come up. Like they also said that the sisters were very close and yet nobody really thought. [00:22:00] Speaker C: They didn't even know she had one. [00:22:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Like nobody really cared about the twin [00:22:05] Speaker C: sister at all or knew. [00:22:06] Speaker A: It was just like. [00:22:07] Speaker C: There's a lot of. [00:22:08] Speaker A: Like, you have to. In this movie specifically compared to the other one. You have to really just let a lot of things slide. Whereas I felt you didn't have to do that in the first one as much. [00:22:20] Speaker B: I never even put that together. But you're right. She's close friends with these people or she was close friends with these people. It never once came up. She had a twin sister. None of them. [00:22:28] Speaker A: I mean, close friends. I mean, none of them really feel like they're close friends, to be honest. Like, they all just seem like they're using him for his money and clinging on when and if they have to, otherwise. [00:22:42] Speaker C: The Glass Onion, they were close friends at the bar. The Glass Onion, they were actually close friends, but then they all just became money grubbing well. [00:22:50] Speaker B: And that's after Edward Norton's character comes in. They were all friends and then they introduced Miles Braun to the group. [00:22:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's what kind of sand brought him in. Right. Which is also a lot of people are like, why. What did. What did anybody see in this guy? Because, you know, by the end he's a complete. A hole idiot loser. Like, but why. Why did they gravit. Gravitate towards him? I mean, Edward Norton is amazing and performs amazing in this movie, but from what we hear and learn about him, why are you with this guy? Why are you around this guy? Dude. [00:23:27] Speaker C: Yeah. I don't know why she liked him. We did have where he helped each individual person gain some. Some social standing or wealth in some way. And so then they appreciated him. And then of course, he stole the idea away from Andy and got super duper rich off of it and cut her out. But why did she go for him in the first place? Because he really didn't have anything. He just manipulated other people. [00:23:50] Speaker A: Well, yeah. [00:23:52] Speaker B: It's possible that she was just such a nice person that she saw an outcast and invited her to the group kind of a thing. I. Yeah, I don't know. And I'm not gonna go too deep in the Weeds on that. But who knows? There is a line in this movie, and I've had to write it down as soon as I heard it because I just absolutely love it because I have. I have a pretty major pet peeve. And I've had friends who say these kind of things where they're like, oh, I just. I'm just a straight talker. I'm just gonna tell you the truth. Or I'm like, literally, I have a friend who would brag about being a. And I'm like, why would you brag about that? I don't understand it. And at one point, Benoit Blank just straight up calls her out. She's like, oh, I speak the truth. And people can't handle that. It's a dangerous thing to confuse speaking without thought to speaking the truth. I love that line. So the writing in this is pretty solid overall. As much as the characters are idiots, they're written really well as being idiots. [00:24:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:42] Speaker A: 100. 100. Well, that's. And that's the thing. It's like, we all really enjoyed the first one. Some of our ratings reflect that a little better than others. But it's hard to fault this movie for bad writing or bad directing or bad cinematography. Like, all those things are still really good in this movie. It's just we're coming off the high of the first one, and so it. It does seem to feel like it falls a bit short comparatively, but. And we're just critiquing it hard because that's what we do when it comes to the franchises, right? And we want. We want it to be as good as the first. We want to pick and prod at it. But, yeah, there was right off the bat, when we meet Ben Wagan in his tub, like, you can tell he's totally depressed, super funny. He's playing among us, which I thought was hilarious because, again, it plays into the pandemic. Everybody's just online with their friends, and his friends are epic. We've got Angela Lansbury from Murder She Wrote. Amazing. We've got Stephen Sodenham from. He wrote a movie, co wrote, I think, the Last of Sheila, which is a similar kind of plot to this movie. Everybody goes on to a yacht for a getaway to do, like, a scavenger hunt, and it goes awry. And then we've got Natasha Leone, who stars in Point Break. Well, no, not Point Break. What is it called? Poker Face, Also created by what's his name? Ryan Johnson. And it's like a murder mystery type TV series. And then we've Got Kareem Abdul Jabbar. I was like, what is he doing there? He was the only one. I was like, wait, what is he. Why is he in this group? But I looked it up, and he was in a movie called Fletcher starring Chevy Chase, and it was like a murder mystery comedy. So I was like, this, like, amazing that they got all these people in. In on this joke of, like, zoom calling with freaking Benoit Blanc playing among us. I thought it was, like, so well done that. [00:26:46] Speaker B: That. [00:26:47] Speaker A: That really, like, got me into the movie again. [00:26:50] Speaker B: I also love that he was bad at it. Like, he was like, this is not my forte. This is not. [00:26:55] Speaker A: What does he say? [00:26:55] Speaker B: Like, I'm really bad at stupid things or something like that. [00:26:58] Speaker A: Like, which is foreshadowing as why he took him so long to figure out the case. Right. [00:27:03] Speaker B: But then he, like, he nailed the. The fake case. Yes, instantly. Like, in the first second all weekend. [00:27:11] Speaker C: And he gets it, like, 60 seconds. [00:27:13] Speaker B: Oh, has it begun? Yeah. [00:27:16] Speaker A: That was awesome. Yeah. [00:27:18] Speaker B: I also like same scene I loved because he's. He's. He's incredibly smart, but that doesn't mean him necessarily personable, where he's like, and then you're gonna win the game. He's like, oh, what do we win? He's like, yeah, yeah. Like, you're already billionaires. What do you mean? What do you win? He's like, well, like, I thought. I just assumed there'd be a prize, like an iPad or something. Fine, you can win an iPad. And he's just like. He's so embarrassed. I'm like, I feel you so hard right now, like, because I would think the same thing. It's a game. You're gonna win something. But, like, in this group of people, like, you're want for nothing. Like, what are you talking about? You can have an iPad. [00:27:51] Speaker A: Ten minutes later, where he throws the iPad at him, like, you won. Great. [00:27:54] Speaker C: Whatever. [00:27:55] Speaker A: Let's. [00:27:55] Speaker B: What are you doing here? [00:27:58] Speaker A: It was pretty funny. There's a lot of funny moments in this movie, for sure. [00:28:01] Speaker C: So explain to me this, though, because Blanc comes in and he felt a little bit different from his character in the first movie. He felt a little bit more out of place and uncomfortable. A bit of a bumbling. Not. Not an idiot by any means, but because he's surrounded by idiots and he's a genius. He looked like the odd person out, and it was a little bit weird. So I loved everything that they did with him in the bathtub with his little weird hat on and all those things, but it was a bit Jarring for me because in the first movie he seemed like he had everything under control and was playing it real cool and, and knew what to do. And I like, he knew it for. He saw the blood on her shoe the. At the beginning of that movie and knew what was going on right from the start. And in this one, he also knew what was going on because they chose to come to the island to figure things out. And they didn't tell you that in the beginning either. But he didn't see, he didn't seem like he was in control this time. And was that because he was surrounded by morons and it was too hard and he was bad at stupid things. Like he said. [00:29:11] Speaker B: I think there's a couple of things playing, playing into this and Will, you can correct me if I'm wrong or, or add to it. One, he's playing a character like he knows he's not supposed to be there, but he's trying to pretend like he is trying to be there. So he's lying, which we don't necess him do a whole lot of. In the first movie to the first movie, he's asked by the cops to be there to solve a murder mystery. This is his bread and butter. This is what he lives for, this is what he's there for. Whereas in this one, he's not asked to be there. Nobody has died. He doesn't really know what's going on. I mean, he does in the sense that he knows that Andy has already passed away and they're trying to figure out who killed her. But it's not the same thing as being on a crime scene with the murder investigation. There's the body, there's the cops. Like, he's out of his element. Three, he's also out of his element because he's surrounded by these uber rich douchebags who are just like, opulence on opulence on opulence. And like, even though the guy was very rich in the first movie, it's a different level of wealth where it's like, it's still a house, it's still down the street. I can still drive there, versus, like, I'm going on a yacht. This guy just sprayed me with God knows what the cure for Covid. We're getting on a yacht, we're going to this magical island. Like, it's just. It's so far out of his realm that I think he is just kind of taken aback to a certain extent. Now he is playing a more eccentric character in this movie than in the first One, the whole bathtub scene, I think, speaks to that. So I get what you're saying, but I kind of give him a pass a little bit because he is so far out of his element on everything. Like, everything is just not him. But then when there is a murder mystery to be solved, he's on it pretty quick. Like, like the, the fake murder mystery. I mean, like, he gets that one right away. Clearly nails it. You can tell from the look on Ed Norton's face, like, which was an. [00:30:47] Speaker C: An astounding scene, Edward Norton's reaction to that and the conversation afterwards, which, again, that was one of those moments that there was duality to it. You think they're talking about one thing, we flashback to it later. There's other things going on in that conversation that you don't realize. [00:31:01] Speaker A: Really cool. [00:31:01] Speaker C: I. I definitely loved his reaction to it, but yeah, it. It was just a bit jarring for me. But all of that checks, I guess. This was one of those things where my expectations got in the way of my viewing. [00:31:13] Speaker A: Yeah. The only thing I want to add is I think there's just more Benoit Blanc in this movie compared to the first, because you're following kind of him as the protagonist until the reveal. So the first hour of the movie, he's kind of the one you're relating to. Right. So we just learn more about him, more of his quirks, more of his kind of character than you do in the first one. In the first one, you just know he's this world renowned investigator and he's there to do the job. And then you see how his mind works a little bit. And in this one you actually get to know the person a little bit more. And so maybe that was too eccentric for you, I don't know. But I think that's why it's just this script allows for more learning on who this character is and how they operate day to day. [00:32:04] Speaker C: I think it might have gone a little bit more smoothly for me if we had got to learn more about Janelle Monae's character, whether it be Andy or her sister, whichever one. Instead of Blanc taking. Carrying all the water of who are we following in the beginning? Because it was a little bit different. You're right. In the first movie, he's sitting in the background striking the key on the piano, being very subtle and. And in the background, while we're getting to know the. The heroine of that film. And this one's different. And so it's not bad, it's just different. And like I said, I think my expectations have really gotten in the way of me enjoying this film to a higher degree. [00:32:40] Speaker B: If you like what we do and you want to help support us, consider joining the Patreon. There's a link down below. Thank you to our producers as well as our executive producers, Real Bubba, Hotep and Dino, and as well as our head writers, Elder JM 990 and Ms. Hillary. They help us choose our Patreon picks. And it sounds like this month we're going to be doing the Romeo and Juliet from the 90s with Claire Danes and Leonardo DiCaprio. Thank you all very much. [00:33:05] Speaker C: I think that overall, this is a great addition to the franchise. Like I said, at length, my expectations got in the way of me enjoying this film a bit more than I. Than. Than I could have. I think one of the lowest scoring factors for this was my fun factor, and that's just because I thought the movie was going to do some different things. Talking about it always helps me to understand the film better. And so that brings up my score of the director who did, wrote and directed the first film and wrote and directed this one. So of course the direction should be pretty similar to the last film. And so I do appreciate it. It's just different. It was different. Okay, it was different. And it's coming in at a 77 for me. I. I think the last one came in at 89. This was just not exactly what I was expecting, but still a very solid score. Very good. I'd recommend this. I would recommend watching any of these movies in any order. I'm probably going to say that for the next movie as well. You don't need to see the first one. And honestly, it's okay if you don't see the first one, because I think had I watched this one by itself, it might have even gotten a better score than what I'm giving it here. [00:34:16] Speaker B: All right. I mentioned last week I liked Knives out quite a bit, but this is not really my genre. Nothing has changed this week. It's still not my favorite genre. The whole who Done it? Thing, the movies where you know there's going to be a twist and it just kind of throws multiple twists at you along the way. I'd rather watch a good movie that also has a twist than a movie that you know is going to have a twist. I won't harp on that too much. We talked about that with Shutter island and Knives out and now with Glass Onion. I think the cast in this one is absolutely phenomenal. And they did do that thing that I, I was. I was praising Knives Onion for not sexualizing Anadarmis. And then this one, they decided to sexualize all the female characters, which felt unnecessary. But also, they're at a beach resort, so so be it. But as far as the actual characters go, I thought they were all really fun to watch. Katherine Han especially is always a delight. Edward Norton is an amazing actor. Benoit Blanc, Daniel Craig, phenomenal job. Throughout this movie. I didn't like the mystery as much. I didn't like a lot of this as much, but I still found this movie pretty fun. And before the RE watch, I would have said I actually enjoyed this one more than Knives out after the RE watch. That's not true, but. So he brought it. My score does drop a little bit, but not as much as Brian does. This one only goes down to a 69 for me. I still think this is very fun, very watchable. But again, this whole genre is just not really my. My speed. [00:35:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I like this movie. It was fun. I think it was fun. I think it was meant to be fun in a time. And maybe that's why it doesn't hold up maybe as much as Knives Out Will, because this was made in a time where people weren't having fun and they were stuck indoors. And this movie kind of gave us a little escapism and. And that was fun for the time. It's still a fun movie. It's still a smart take on murder mystery genres. It's still got a lot of fun tropes that it's either throws out the window or goes full in on. But compared to the original, it does seem a little bit hollow. Pun intended. Overall, I still think it's an 81 out of 100. I would watch this anytime or recommend it to anyone. [00:36:17] Speaker B: And with that, we see Knives out drop a little bit, but stay in the second place position or tied for second place now with the Dollars trilogy. Came down a few points for each one of us, but honestly, still. Still holding in pretty well there. None of us have seen Wake Up, Dead man, the brand new one, so there's no prediction that I've got for whether or not this will climb back up or drop further, other than just wild speculation. Which is to say, I hope it goes up. I hope. I hope Wake Up Dead man surprises us in a very pleasant way. What do you guys think? We always. [00:36:48] Speaker C: We always look forward to movies being good. We always want the movie to entertain and be a delight. Right? What kind of surprises me is. Is that Dan, like you, whodunits aren't my forte. I Don't have anything against them. I enjoy them, but it's not like something that I would. If somebody said, what kind of movie do you like? This wouldn't even come to mind, to tell you the truth. But I think back, and I do enjoy movies like this. So it's kind of funny that this is so high on our list above such beloved franchises to myself as the Predator and Aliens franchise, Mad Max, those things just, just beating it hands down. So interesting to see where it goes. And I would say that this franchise, like I said to the first movie, this franchise is looking like it is an underrated franchise in general. [00:37:34] Speaker B: It is worth mentioning. There are only. We've only reviewed two Knives out movies, whereas some of the franchises you named have seven or eight movies in them. [00:37:41] Speaker C: Lots of time, lots of room for flops. Yeah, yeah. [00:37:43] Speaker B: If we were to take the Alien or the Predator franchise and choose our favorite two, I think they would beat this franchise. [00:37:49] Speaker C: Right. [00:37:49] Speaker B: But, you know, a lot of slop in there and it drags it down. [00:37:54] Speaker A: I also like to point out. Yeah, I'd also like to point out that all three Knives out movies, and this is always a good sign. Same writer, same director. So, you know, the quality should stay about the same. You know, we've seen good work from him. So going forward, you can only assume that it should still be pretty quality, you know, Whereas when you get into. Although again, those other franchises that have seven movies, it's different writers, different directors all over the place. And that can really be a detriment or it can be a great refresher. But a lot of times there's a dud somewhere along the way when that happens. [00:38:31] Speaker C: Now I haven't looked into the next movie, but will do, you know, is it another all star smash cast? [00:38:38] Speaker A: I haven't actually seen a whole lot about it either. I'm just still refreshed that we're getting original works, not reboots or remakes or re. Whatevers, rehashes of the same things. So I'm just, I'm just excited that things like this are being created and, and, and in a quality way. So I'm, I'm just happy and looking forward to the next one still, even though this one dipped slightly from the [00:39:01] Speaker B: first, but for all of us, a relatively slight dip. Like, I don't like, I guess Brian scored. [00:39:06] Speaker C: I barely even call this a dip, really. I'd just say it's, it's a, it's a solid sequel. I don't even tell people that it's a, that it's a bet that it's worse. I just say it's a solid sequel because as sequels go, they're almost never as good or better than the original. So for this to be so close to the original, good on you. [00:39:24] Speaker B: All right, that's our rating of Glass Onions a Knives Out Mystery, but what's yours? Leave a comment down below. I'd love to hear from you. We record this every Thursday night at 9:00pm Eastern Standard Time at Twitch TV. Slash them ongoolie show so you can head over there and hit the Follow button. Or if you enjoyed this, make sure you hit the like and subscribe buttons that we see you in the next one.