Ep 55 - The Conjuring - The Devil Made Me Do It (2021)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: The Conjuring. The devil made me do it. 2021. What's more exciting than the first court case in history that claimed demonic possession as its defense in a murder trial? Ignoring it altogether to have a good old fashioned witch hunt. That's what. Classic st to new releases [00:00:35] Speaker B: movies. [00:00:37] Speaker A: Let's start the show. [00:00:52] Speaker C: Hello, everybody, and welcome back to r rating. The show. I get together with two of my buddies, we take a movie franchise, break it down by movie, give it an overall score and throw it on the board. Today we're talking about the conjuring 3. The devil made me do it. I'm joined by my friends Will and Brian. Brian, how are you doing today? [00:01:07] Speaker B: I'm tired, but I'm hanging in there. Dan, how you doing? [00:01:10] Speaker C: Pretty much the same, to be perfectly honest. How about you, Will? [00:01:13] Speaker A: I'm in the same boat. We're all tired and we're just frantically trying to get to shore. [00:01:19] Speaker C: Perfect. Perfect. What could possibly go wrong? All right, so this is the third movie in the conjuring franchise. And I think I asked you guys this every single week, but this is the first time any of us have seen this movie. Correct? [00:01:30] Speaker A: Correct. [00:01:31] Speaker C: Correct. [00:01:32] Speaker A: And last. [00:01:33] Speaker C: That's giving something away, I feel. But you're probably not wrong. Now. I feel like going into this, I was kind of the. The hottest on this franchise so far. I kind of want to hold back a little bit. I kind of want to hear what you guys have to say for a second. And I'll explain why once you guys are done. But, Brian, can you give me, like, the briefest synopsis of how you feel about this movie? [00:01:55] Speaker B: I really enjoyed this movie until I didn't. It was like, it started out real good and I was like, hey, this is as good, maybe better than the first two movies. And then it just kind of started to do things that irritated me and had the kind of Hollywood flashy adrenaline finish instead of spooky storytelling that I really like. So ups and downs, similar thought process. [00:02:27] Speaker A: As soon as I saw that it's a different director than the original two. Michael Wan did the Juan Wan. You know who it is. Anyway, once he stopped directing, somebody else is directing and they think they're directing. Credits are pretty minute, I figured we're gonna have a shift in energy. And there is definitely a shift in this movie. It did feel more like a Hollywood blockbuster than a throwback to classic ghost stories. [00:02:58] Speaker B: And that didn't. [00:02:59] Speaker A: Didn't hit for me in all the same ways. [00:03:02] Speaker C: Okay, perfect. That's. I was just curious. I was watching this One today, and I had watched the last two with my wife in a quiet house where we could actually get, like, engaged in the movie. And today I was watching it in a full house by myself where there was noises and people were talking and there's banging and screwing and just all like. Like screwdrivers. [00:03:24] Speaker A: Okay. [00:03:25] Speaker C: Going on all over the place. And I just. It was really, really hard for me to get into this movie. And I wasn't 100 sure if that was the movie's fault or my personal viewing experience's fault or what it was. But I just, like. I really liked 1 and 2, and I just was not engaging with this movie very much at all. Like, this movie felt a little bit. Well, not a little bit. Way more unfocused than the other ones. You mentioned before in your. Your opening monologue how it was like, we're going to use this court case as the backdrop for this movie. And they just ignored that entirely for most of the movie. I thought that would have been really cool if we got a detective story as opposed to a witch by, like a witch hunter, like a haunting. And it's like, no, this is how we're going to prove this case. Like, if you want to give me, like an Aaron Sorkin level court drama, but based around demons. That sounds intriguing. [00:04:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:15] Speaker C: It's not the movie we got, unfortunately. [00:04:16] Speaker B: And they quietly just kind of mentioned, oh, yeah, and. And he didn't win his case on that and then just kind of move on. [00:04:22] Speaker A: Like it was. [00:04:24] Speaker C: In fairness, getting five years for manslaughter, I think is a huge win in that case. [00:04:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:29] Speaker C: That was witness to you stabbing somebody 22 times. [00:04:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:31] Speaker C: Right. [00:04:32] Speaker A: Now, let's. Let's go to the true story here a little bit, which. This one, obviously. Yeah. Veers way off course with the whole story behind it. In a nutshell is the. The little kids possessed. David's possessed. They come to exorcise him. The Warrens come to help with that, and the boyfriend, whatever his name is, Arn does say, hey, take me, take me. And that was it. It's over. Then he, you know, a couple of months later, stabs his landlord to death 22 times. They take it to court and they're like, oh, you guys should. He's. He's possessed. Use the demonic thing. Use the demonic plea. So they do that for the first time in history, and the judge is like, you have no evidence. We're not. We're not going to accept that as a defense. So they just go with self defense and he gets manslaughter for 10 to 20 years. He gets out in five years from good behavior. That's the. There's no witches. There's no. Nothing at all in this, in this true telling to true tale. But yeah, they, they, they really take. [00:05:43] Speaker B: They just went for the wild pitch of demon possession, like without anything behind it. Yeah, yeah. [00:05:49] Speaker A: It's super funny. [00:05:51] Speaker C: Their perspective, they thought there was something behind it. From the judge's perspective, though, just like. No, not in my court. [00:05:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:55] Speaker C: Although one of the lines in this movie that I actually really liked, and I'm gonna butcher the line, so I apologize, is like, Ed Warren was like, well, you know, you allow God in the courthouse every single time you have somebody. [00:06:07] Speaker B: You know, it's time we recognize the other side of this. [00:06:10] Speaker C: Like, you have to start recognizing the devil's an option as well. I was like, that's pretty solid point. This is a court of law. The standards of evidence are completely different. Court accepts the existence of God every [00:06:22] Speaker B: time a witness swears to tell the truth. I think it's about time they accept [00:06:26] Speaker C: the existence of the devil. [00:06:29] Speaker B: Yeah, that was a good line in the movie. I, I like that as well. [00:06:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:33] Speaker A: So the only other outcome of the true story is when David got all grown up, he tried to sue the Warren and the author of a book that was based on this whole court case. And he wanted to sue them for misinformation, spreading lies, because he said he was never actually possessed, that the Warrens were forcing that story, and that there was a whole bunch of mental illness that should have been looked at, not possession. But his court case also got thrown out for lack of evidence. There's lack of evidence everywhere here. It's like, maybe ghosts and ghouls don't even exist. Who knows? Who knows? You know, not enough evidence. Not enough evidence. [00:07:14] Speaker C: And if they do exist, they're really good at hiding it. So you're not going to get them in a court case. [00:07:22] Speaker A: So let's dive into the actual movie now that we know it's really just make believe it's barely touched on truth at all. [00:07:31] Speaker C: Well, none of these have really been very, like, the people exist is pretty much the extent of the true story. [00:07:36] Speaker A: Pretty much, yeah. [00:07:37] Speaker C: I kind of wanted to go back on this one or on, on all three of these films because this one specifically says this is their most sinister case. Because all three of them started off being like, this is the worst case they ever had. But I wonder, I want to go back and check. Do they change which one? Like, this is their case. This is their goriest case. This is their most sinister case because it's a little bit ridiculous. We keep getting these movies that are like the worst case the Warrens ever had to deal with. You're just like, yeah, really do that like, once. [00:08:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Every new movie, like, oh, we found a new one. [00:08:07] Speaker C: What? [00:08:09] Speaker B: I'm not even certain of the chronological order because sometimes they don't show the trinkets from the previous movies on the shelves. Like, they don't show that shelf. So I don't even know if that. If that trinket is there or not. So I'm not. Not certain of the chronological order of these movies. You know, did they do this case background? They saw the painting of the nun. I saw that one. And of course we saw in every single one because they. They constantly name drop Annabelle. [00:08:33] Speaker C: So in the first movie, they put the musical box in. Right. And then the second movie, you can see the musical box beside the thing they put down. And then this one, you can see the picture of the nun from the second movie. So theoretically, we are just moving forward. [00:08:46] Speaker B: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. [00:08:49] Speaker C: But you're right. Yeah. I was. I was waiting for them to show off the. The items from movie one and two, and they didn't. But the nun was there to kind of give you a hand. [00:08:58] Speaker B: So starting off on a positive foot for me, I want to. I want to get some of the positive stuff out there because this movie did do a lot of things well. [00:09:05] Speaker A: Can I guess what your most positive thing is? [00:09:08] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:09:09] Speaker A: People die in this movie. [00:09:13] Speaker B: That's true. We have some consequence to our actions. We had a very gruesome death at the end when the demon comes to take its soul and it goes after the old lady. And I'll. I have some questions about all of that stuff. We'll get there at the end. Like a very gruesome death reminiscent of. Of like Stranger Things Season 4, when the guy crumbles them up into little pretzels. So that was a cool scene, and I liked that. I was spooky and scary. And the death stuff in this movie is cool. We saw a guy get stabbed 22 times. Right. One of the things that scared the bejesus out of me and I didn't see it coming, and I should have was the boy on the waterbed. Had to be this. The biggest jump scare I've had in a while because I was expecting something to, like, put its fingers up on the bed or something. Like something to hit the bed. I was not expecting a hand to lunge out of the mattress and grab the kid. Water spraying everywhere. So I mean I like jumped off of the couch on that one. And so that's great when a scary movie can really make you jump like that. And this one had a lot of good jump scares that were built up properly and you know, and done right. It didn't feel too cheap on most of the jump scares. Like much of this franchise. I think they did some of their scares very well. [00:10:26] Speaker C: I wouldn't say that I was jump scared at that moment, but I thought when you see the face in the, the waterbed, that was kind of creepy. I liked that. But I was kind of hoping that [00:10:36] Speaker A: they would just find a dead body in the water of the mattress. That would have been cool. I mean you're scared right off the get because anybody who owns a waterbed, like that's creepy af. [00:10:48] Speaker B: Right, right. It's got a little pedo flavor to it. I don't know. Just for me it just, just screams somebody who has unrestricted sexual ambitions. And I don't really like that. So it creeps me out. [00:11:00] Speaker C: Oh my goodness. [00:11:02] Speaker B: What were the scariest? [00:11:03] Speaker C: Offended so many kids from the 80s. [00:11:06] Speaker B: What did it for you guys? What scared you in this movie? What creeped you out? What was good for you guys? Will, why don't you tell me what you got? [00:11:13] Speaker A: I don't know if I was ever scared in this movie. I think the disjointedness of the storytelling. The Warren's gone full police detectives without ever collecting any evidence whatsoever. [00:11:29] Speaker B: Yeah, they went law and order on this one. [00:11:31] Speaker A: Sure. Without any real order or law. It was just, I was just removed from this one a lot. And I, I that on top of like not really building proper atmosphere and tension like they did in the previous two, which I believe was just, you know, the director shift, which is fine, but you still want some of that? I, I just didn't feel any scares in this movie. There was like the odd creepy thing like the face in the waterbed and stuff, but it just didn't do it for me. It was more like, ah, the, the demon is possessing dead bodies and chasing after you instead of, oh, what kind of creepy thing is going to happen next? It's just like, here's something running. Here's another chase scene. Oh, and Ed is out of breath easily. So maybe he'll finally meet his maker. No, he's a knight in shining armor. Never mind. It just, ah, it just bothered me throughout the whole movie. [00:12:25] Speaker B: How about you, Dan? You get scared at all? [00:12:27] Speaker C: I don't remember any jump scares in this movie. That worked on me. I feel like there's probably a couple of scenes I don't even know. Like. Like, maybe, like, you got goosebumps. Like, maybe that's, like, the best I could give you is. Is there a couple scenes where maybe, like, the coroner's office or whatever it was? Like, when there's just somebody in the dark, you're like, okay, like, that's interesting. I'm curious what's going on there. But, like, I wouldn't be like, oh, my God, I was freaked out. There was more scenes where I was kind of like, wtf? While I was supposed to be scared. [00:12:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:55] Speaker C: As opposed to anything else. Like when Warren or Ed. Sorry, I think he wakes up and he started walking downstairs and there's nobody there. And you're like, oh, okay, cool. Like, she got kidnapped. And the. The doors open, and then all of a sudden, like, the bloated drowned woman is in the room. And I'm like, what? Like, clearly this is a dream at this point. Like, there's no way this is actually happening. Just like, what am I supposed to be thinking at this moment? [00:13:21] Speaker B: The bloated person chasing him around happened [00:13:23] Speaker C: a lot more than it should have, for sure. [00:13:26] Speaker A: You know what, though? I was. I was just happy that extra got a little extra screen time, to be honest. Like, they. They had to be out in the buff, in the. In the nude, you know? I'm glad they got as much screen time as possible. Maybe that's the actor in me. [00:13:40] Speaker B: I did, like, the prison sequence when he was, like, slowly turning. Turning around, and the guy was stood up and said some creepy stuff behind him. I thought that was. That. That gave me some chills there. [00:13:50] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll give you that. That's fair. It, again, kind of going by the, like, what. Why? What is happening right now? And they did kind of explain it, but at the very beginning, when the kid is possessed and he's like, take me, take me. Everybody's in that room. Granted, there's a lot going on, but, like, nobody noticed that that's what that happened. Nobody was like, we should. We should check on this guy. [00:14:14] Speaker B: Like, yeah, like, he was, like, knocked unconscious. He's the one who caught that and nobody else did. [00:14:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:21] Speaker A: Not to mention, like, it starting the movie on the biggest plot hole ever. Like, they didn't finish the exorcism, clearly. Yeah. And yet everything. Everybody's like, all right, pack it up. We're good. We did it. Nice job. Everybody just walk away. [00:14:34] Speaker B: Like, it. [00:14:35] Speaker C: The demon left. We're good. [00:14:36] Speaker A: It's like, yeah, it's so bad like that. That's maybe why it just set off on the wrong foot for me because it was such a glaring plot hole right out of the gate. And, you know, that scene was pretty fun. The kid being possessed was like. He looked creepy AF all the weird. I mean, the devil really just contorts people. That's all it really does, which is an odd choice, but it looks cool, you know? But it was just so weird. And I'm just like, well, if that's how you're going to start the movie, do I even care how you're going to end it? And it turns out it just got worse. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Well, I did feel that they kind of corrected it a little bit when they finally realized that the. The older guy has the demon or did have the demon or whatever, and they have him reading the Bible and they're like, okay, well, it's out of him now. And it starts this confusion, like, what is this? Is it a demonic possession? Is it a curse? How is it. So that part of the movie was kind of cool for me. They made it intriguing. And all three of these movies so far have kind of had this. How does this curse, demon possession, haunting work? Right. We. We never really know how it works. And they always kind of figure it out toward the end. And they did that in this. This one was kind of interesting because he was. He was reading from the Bible and he was no longer possessed by a demon. Or at least they. They felt he was no longer possessed by a demon. And so it. It made me very interested to find out why is it happening like this. So I kind of like that correction. But you were absolutely right. When they left the little boy in the beginning and they're all just like, everything's fine now. I was like, wait a minute. You guys didn't solve this. Okay. Like, you know, when. [00:16:23] Speaker A: When you. [00:16:23] Speaker B: When you drop food on the ground under the table, you gotta pick it up, it's there. It doesn't just disappear, you know? [00:16:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:33] Speaker B: And so it was just weird. That was just weird. [00:16:36] Speaker C: Yeah, it does. I do like that they kind of change up. You're right. Like, every movie is not quite the exact. Like, the movie is the same formula, but the demon or the. The possession is a little bit different each time. I like that this was a curse based around the. The. The objects that were, like, left behind. Did they really explain why she cursed? Like, was it just a completely. [00:16:57] Speaker B: I have no Idea why? Who? Okay, so that woman was part of the ram cult. [00:17:03] Speaker A: That. [00:17:03] Speaker B: The older priest from. What's that actor's name? He's Walter. [00:17:11] Speaker C: You mean from. [00:17:13] Speaker B: From that science fiction show that I loved so much. So he was a priest? [00:17:18] Speaker C: Father Castner. [00:17:19] Speaker B: Yes, he was a priest. And he was checking out the ram cult because that was his daughter, who was not supposed to be his daughter. Like illegitimate daughter, I guess is what I got. [00:17:32] Speaker C: Father. So it's an illegitimate daughter period. Like he's not supposed to. [00:17:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:36] Speaker C: Have children. Right, sure. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. There. Okay, that makes sense. And so. But then she goes off to be a part of this satanic cult and he's like, trying to help her out and whatever. And I don't get why. Why is she attacking this family? [00:17:52] Speaker C: That's what I mean. Like, I. I think it was just random. Like she just had access to that house and she promised a demon two souls. So guess you get unlucky, kid. But it felt so. Like, why? Like. Like I would have loved. There had been like a reason. Like I was your babysitter and you didn't pay me. Like, that would have been terrible. You know what I mean? Like something. [00:18:09] Speaker B: Hey, that would have been better than random. [00:18:12] Speaker C: Right? And cursing a bunch of people because they had multiple pins on that board. We're like. And we found one over here. We found one over here. [00:18:18] Speaker A: Well, it's three. It's the curse of. So you guys, there was. There's. What's that? Whoa. What. Okay, go ahead, run. You're right. [00:18:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was the child, the lover, and a person of faith. What they had to do. [00:18:37] Speaker A: That's who she had to curse in order for the spell or this demon to grant her three wishes. I. We don't know why they never. Yeah, but do you even. I. I was even confused as to who of those three the people were. Because it started in a child, but then it moved to an adult man [00:18:59] Speaker B: who was supposed to be the lover with the. With the kid's older sister. He. They were. They were engaged or going to be engaged or whatever. So the lover. And then of course went to Ed Warren, who's the man of faith. [00:19:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:10] Speaker A: And then the girl who killed her girlfriend, who is also a lover in the woods. [00:19:17] Speaker C: Right. Okay. [00:19:19] Speaker A: So there's two levers. And the child kind of got absorbed into another level. Like, it's so weird. Yeah, it was. It wasn't clear cut. And we don't know the whole reason for it anyway, so that whole through line is just muddy. It's Just muddies. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Very, very. [00:19:37] Speaker C: Demons should really have really clear contracts so you know exactly what you're signing and getting yourself into. [00:19:42] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:19:42] Speaker C: That'd be very helpful. [00:19:44] Speaker A: You'd think a witch would understand that if anybody. [00:19:48] Speaker C: We don't know. The fine print was all in Aramaic, as it were, so we don't know. We don't really need that translation, I don't think. [00:19:54] Speaker A: Also, can I just say, Lorraine, for being as smart and gifted as she is, she can't just clear a table. Like, what the hell? She's like, oh, we have to, we have to mess up the altar. We have to destroy the altar. She's just trying to pick up a concrete table instead of just clearing that thing. [00:20:15] Speaker C: She. [00:20:16] Speaker A: What was she thinking? [00:20:17] Speaker C: I think she was trying to break it as opposed to just messing it up a bit. But yeah, do something. [00:20:22] Speaker A: You gotta start somewhere. Yeah. You know, but no, Ed has to come save the day instead, you know, so speak. [00:20:29] Speaker B: Speaking of Ed, I. This is a thing that bothered me throughout the entire film and I'd like to know your guys's take on it. Why did they have the thread of Ed having the heart attack and being weakened throughout the entire film? He was always out of breath, except the one time when he was doing like a six minute mile chasing his wife off a cliff. But other than that was always out of breath, always having trouble. He's fainting all the time and his wife was having to do all the heavy lifting in here. I didn't like how. Well, let me hear your guys's take on. Why do you think that was? What was the point of this? [00:21:03] Speaker C: So I wonder, I wonder one thing and then I'll say from a dramatic position, I, I wonder if he did have a heart attack and it was like a true story. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:12] Speaker C: So that was just actually something that they were going through at that time. And then for the actual purpose of this film, it puts Lorraine. Is it. It puts Lorraine in the dangerous situations as opposed to having him in them because like otherwise he probably crawled under the house to go take a look at the thing. Right. Otherwise he would have been able to catch her before she got to. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Why? Why we always cast females to the screen Queen movies. Wheels cast females in those roles because for some reason that's scarier to us. I, I thought that as well. I also thought maybe giving her, empowering her, which I thought was a crappy way of empowering her by diminishing him. I didn't like that. But Will, what did you think of that? [00:21:52] Speaker A: All right, so here's my initial take is the. The whole. This whole story was an allegory for Ed and his assistant in real life who he knocked up and forced to have an abortion. And so the witch was his assistant and Lorraine had to somehow break him of the spell that he was under. And that was. That was how I saw the movie. Was that how it actually was? No. Was he weakened by his assistant and couldn't hold back as it desires in real life? Yes. In this movie, I think. Yes. It was just. He is unstoppable in all of these movies. And this gives us an opportunity for a witch and a lady of God to go mano a mano. And Ed still somehow comes and saves the day, but it at least puts them in the forefront more, I guess, instead of him. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Yeah, that's kind of. That's kind of how I pictured it, too. I just didn't like that. That's not how you build a strong female lead, you know? No. [00:23:03] Speaker A: And the problem, the thing is, like, [00:23:05] Speaker C: she's never been a weak female. [00:23:06] Speaker A: I agree. [00:23:08] Speaker C: 50% part of the equation. [00:23:10] Speaker B: It's. Yeah. It's always been a team effort. And this time it was just like, he was always just kind of staying around useless throughout most of this movie and still has to rescue her, which was weird. [00:23:21] Speaker A: And don't ask me how I know this, though. Lorraine climbing under a house in a skirt. Go ahead and try that. See how easy that is? She did it without trouble. [00:23:32] Speaker B: Right. [00:23:34] Speaker C: That's fair. I am not going to question that. I'm just gonna let that go. [00:23:41] Speaker B: So I didn't like the whole. Ed was weak throughout this film. Yeah. [00:23:47] Speaker A: And the problem was, is it was like. It was specifically. He was weak to build the tension. [00:23:54] Speaker B: Right. [00:23:55] Speaker A: Whenever he needed to be strong, which he's going with a sledgehammer. He can break that altar. You know, he's there for it, but he's weak only for tension building, not [00:24:06] Speaker B: story put Lorraine in a place of danger. Like, it was. It was a bad motor for this driving. And I just. I don't know. I. I really didn't, like. I didn't think it was necessary. I like the other two. They worked as a team, and I really enjoyed that. And this dynamic was all messed up and it didn't come out. Like I thought maybe they were trying to do this, like, fear of helplessness like we had in the second movie. She was trapped on the other side of the door saying, ed, just wait for me. [00:24:33] Speaker C: And he's like, no, I gotta go. [00:24:35] Speaker B: And. And it was this Feeling of helplessness. And it. It played out well. I didn't like the scene, but it played out well enough in this one. I thought maybe they're trying to kind of reverse it where he's helpless to help her, even though he actually helped her, like multiple times. But it didn't work right. It just didn't work for me at all. And I didn't like that. That was one of those things throughout the whole thing I didn't like. I did like the first half of the movie. I thought there were good scares. I thought they built tension. I thought they did really well. But as the movie progressed, they moved more and more towards the adrenaline fueled CGI or costumes where creatures are jumping out at you and running around scaring you. And it wasn't the good writing storytelling that we had in the first two. [00:25:15] Speaker C: I think I might mildly disagree with you. Not that I thought the end, the ending was a little weak, for sure. I think, I think the movie got better for me once the. I don't know what we're calling her. The witch, the. The other clairvoyant, whatever. Once she became a part of it, that was kind of like, oh, this is something legitimately different now. It is kind of intrigued. [00:25:40] Speaker B: I actually did like her in, in the movie. I did like her character and what she brought to the film. So I'll agree with that. I just don't think it was enough to overcome the way they were trying to scare me in the film with the bloated person always running at Ed. [00:25:54] Speaker C: Oh, for sure. I don't think he did it well, like, that's what I originally said. This movie kind of doesn't feel like it knows what it wants to do. And maybe that is because the director was a little bit newer, a little bit greener. But like, you're starting off with like demonic possession, which could be interesting. You move into a court case based around dark possession, which, like, sign me up, that sounds brilliant. You move into like a witch character with like curses and whatnot. And then you kind of follow it up with just like this nonsensical action scene. You're just like, what? Like, just give me a through line. Just give me one thing that kind of makes sense all the way through. Like when they were playing Law and Order and they were finding like the woman in the woods. I was on board with that scene. It just didn't really fit in the rest of the movie. Yeah, like the scene on its own was kind of interesting and like them trying to talk to the cops and get the cops on or the cop on board. I was okay with that. Like, all of that worked out okay for. Until they got to one area and she starts running away, and, like, the man with a heart attack is chasing her, and the cops is like, I'll just wait here then. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:26:51] Speaker C: I'll be. I'll be right here, you guys. Yeah, you're good. That was a little bit weird. There's a couple of decisions. This movie. I'm just like, what are they doing? Like, why? Okay, sure. [00:26:59] Speaker A: Warren Show. It's the Warren show. [00:27:01] Speaker C: For sure. It is. If they just taken any one of these and made a movie out of it, it probably would have been better than what we got now. [00:27:09] Speaker B: I'm. [00:27:09] Speaker C: I'm crapping on this one a little bit. I didn't hate this movie. It's just that I really liked the first two, and this one definitely felt like a dip from those. From the quality of the filmmaking. Did you notice at the very beginning. And maybe I'm wrong. I've only seen the Exorcist, like, once, when they drop the father off in the car ride, and he, like, gets out and he's standing in the spotlight, and then he's looking at the house. Even the way the camera pans. 100% the Exorcist, right? [00:27:34] Speaker B: It was an homage. [00:27:35] Speaker A: I think they're just paying tribute. [00:27:37] Speaker C: I'm not. I'm not crapping on it. I just wanted to make sure I was right like that. [00:27:39] Speaker A: Yeah, 100%. [00:27:40] Speaker C: 100%. [00:27:42] Speaker B: I thought. I thought it was tastefully done enough that I can appreciate it as an homage, not trying to blatantly steal the thunder from the Exorcist, which it could have been. It came awful close to being that. But, yeah, I definitely saw the Exorcist several times in this movie, in fact. [00:27:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree with you, Dan, Big time. With the multiple different kind of plots and things they're trying to follow and not lining up. But it did lead to probably my favorite line in the movie, which, again, I'm gonna butcher. When they meet the old man, the priest, the father, whatever, and they're like, oh, we're the Warrens. How are you? Blah, blah, blah. And he won't shake their hand. He's like, I've have chicken on my hands. And he's just like, so I met Warren. [00:28:31] Speaker B: This is my wife, Lorraine. [00:28:36] Speaker C: I have chicken on my hands. [00:28:43] Speaker A: It's just, like, so, like, calm and, like, emotionless. I just loved every second of that moment. And they were like, oh, yeah, I guess that makes sense. The funniest line I've ever heard. [00:28:56] Speaker B: I, I thought that line was hilarious also. Except for the fact that when he said it, I saw Walter from Fringe. I saw that character just exactly. And I was like, if I didn't, if I hadn't seen the TV show Fringe, that would have been even funnier for me. But it was. That was his character from Fringe for sure. But I, but the, the movie got better with him coming into it. I liked his character and what they did with it for the most part. Could they have done it better and gone, yes, absolutely. [00:29:29] Speaker A: Could he have had, like, actually something of relevance to add to the movie? Yes. Instead of like, okay, well, I guess it's time. I'm gonna actually take action. And then he just gets offed. Right? I'm just like, such a, such a letdown again, going this thread that just gets snipped before anything can really happen with it. [00:29:51] Speaker B: And he had his own room of curiosities, which I also kind of contrasted the Warrens, I liked it. I thought that was really neat, but they didn't go anywhere with that either. [00:30:00] Speaker C: I didn't like his logic for why he did it. Like, I, I, I, it was the [00:30:04] Speaker A: same as theirs really, though. [00:30:05] Speaker C: Well, but his, the way he worded it was like, I want to make sure these stay off the street. Like guns. I'm like, yeah, but you could destroy the guns and they'd still be off the street. Like, what? Like that analogy was just like. [00:30:18] Speaker A: Also, he also gives this super grave warning to the Warrens, being like, you should not do this. And they're like, nah, we're good. We're just gonna put our in our room next. After all this horrible stuff happened to you and your family will. Our family will be fine. Our daughter, she'll be just fine. They are so and ignorant. I hate them so much. [00:30:38] Speaker B: They're specifically designed to curse people. Yeah, let's put it her house. [00:30:44] Speaker A: I hate it. [00:30:45] Speaker C: Now, the one thing with that room while we're talking about that is near the beginning, they're like, okay, well, we'll, we'll convince this lawyer to take the case on for demonic possession. The lawyer's like, absolutely not. If you can't convince me, how could you possibly convince me? Convince them. And they're like, well, why don't you come stay in our house for the night and we'll see what happens. And then it goes to the court scene where they're like, this is the case. We're doing it for demonic Possession. Yeah. I feel like either wanted to see that scene and freak them out or make that transition faster and have it be a comedic moment and said it was neither. And it just was, like, awkward. Just awkward storytelling. [00:31:18] Speaker B: I agree. They didn't hit the sweet spot, did they? [00:31:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I didn't want them to show yet another Annabelle freaking shout out. I did not want that. And that's what they were leading to. But aside from that. Yeah, it should have just been done faster. Got it out of the way and then we're done. Right. That. That would have been better and funny to lighten up the mood a little bit. That would have been great. [00:31:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:42] Speaker C: Well done. Like, yeah, I don't necessarily want a scene of them, like, shouting out Annabelle or like, taking too long there, but, like, honestly, either going. Cutting directly to her in court, going for it, or just cut to night time and her running out of the house like, yeah, okay, that's comedic. A little bit of a chuckle, but it's just the way that they actually did it. I'm like, that was nothing. That was an absolute nothing burger. [00:32:09] Speaker A: Agreed. Agreed. A lot of nothing burgers. [00:32:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:12] Speaker B: I'd say that the. The direction of this film suffered greatly. I think that they had, again, a complicated plot, a complicated story, and this director didn't have the chops to do even as well as the previous movies. Although we. We talked about them having their faults, you know, landing some of those issues too. This one even more so, I think. I think this movie suffered severely because of the direction. Not that I would say this was a bad director. I would just say that they. This is a tough script to put forth. And I. I don't think he had it either. [00:32:50] Speaker C: Yeah. Will, you mentioned at the very beginning you tried to guess Brian's favorite thing was the fact that there actually were deaths in this movie. Did that make it. Did it have more gravitas for you? Did it feel more dangerous for you having a couple people die in this one? Did it work for you? I guess. [00:33:06] Speaker A: I mean, kind of. Like we mentioned before, it just adds to. Oh, yeah, anybody is able to be taken out, you know, like, nobody is safe if somebody. If anybody dies. If one person dies, anybody can die. That's what I'm trying to say. And so that is nice in a movie about death and possession and all this scary stuff. You know, unfortunately, I still don't feel like. Even even though Ed had a heart attack and Lorraine was fighting a witch, I still didn't feel like they were in trouble at all in this movie. The only trouble they should have been in in this movie is a court case for murdering that poor daughter at the end of the movie. And yet they got off scot free. I mean, what the hell? [00:33:52] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:33:53] Speaker A: Nobody questioned that. That woman and her father just dead in on the premises. And the only people being there are the Warrens. Come on. Where are the. Where are the cops? Where is the law and order in this movie? [00:34:06] Speaker C: I think if you see all the demonic stuff in that bedroom, you're just kind of like, yeah, we're good. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Yeah, wipe our hands with this one. [00:34:13] Speaker C: Just get the cops back from the England one where they're just like, yeah, we can't do anything with this. [00:34:17] Speaker B: Out of our jurisdiction. Sorry. [00:34:19] Speaker C: Jurisdiction. Yeah. [00:34:20] Speaker A: It's just crazy to me. It's just crazy to me. I don't know. [00:34:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I feel. Because we only see the landlord die at the beginning and then the father. Daughter died at the end. Right. Like there is death in the middle, but it's like a previous case. [00:34:32] Speaker A: The. The landlord dies from the stabbing. [00:34:35] Speaker C: Yep. [00:34:36] Speaker A: Yeah. The priest and the mother. And maybe somebody dies in the prison when he's. I don't. I can't even remember if he. [00:34:43] Speaker B: You could. You could say there was. There was the two girls that were best friends. There was a death there. [00:34:51] Speaker C: Count that because they were dead before the movie started. In the same way that I wouldn't. Any of the. The ghosts in the first movie catching deaths. I. I feel like the. The scary scenes we're supposed to see in this one, like you've got Lorraine falling off the cliff because the hand grabbed her, which is so incredibly stupid. There's no chance she's gonna die. She's a Warren. Warren Ed at any time. No chance he's gonna die. And the one chance, like you mentioned, the. The bed at the beginning, that was a flashback. Like, there's no way that kid gets [00:35:20] Speaker A: hurt because we already know he's fine. [00:35:23] Speaker C: It was just one of those, like, again, kind of like the second one. Like, there's not a lot of tension in this movie for me. Like, maybe Warren should. Ed should have been even sicker. Like you said, that might have been there to raise some tension. Like, I think it should have raised the tension up a little bit higher. [00:35:37] Speaker A: Hey, there's always the fourth one. [00:35:40] Speaker C: Hopefully crossed. I mean, you know what? I don't know the history of the Warren, so I. I was kind of holding on to the fact that there are four. Clearly they survive long enough to get to the fourth one. This one's called Last Rights. Sorry, the next one is called Last Rights. Maybe something bad happened and don't correct me in the chat or will if, you know, I don't want. I don't. I haven't seen it. I want. No, but, like, if, you know, the Warrens lived until 7 or something, like, I want to have some amount of tension, maybe. Fingers crossed, because this movie did not provide that for me personally. [00:36:10] Speaker A: No, it didn't. It didn't really. I thought. I was hopeful because we saw a death and then it just kind of crumbled. Like everything else in this, I think [00:36:17] Speaker B: there were things that worked and there were a lot of things that didn't work, unfortunately. And I just think that they just didn't piece it together well enough and it was too complicated for them to pull off, unfortunately. But all in all, I think that this was a decent addition to the franchise. It wasn't a complete failing. It entertained me and I was curious about stuff and I wanted to know things I watched all the way up till the end. And then at the end, I was like, kind of wish we hadn't picked this franchise, maybe. [00:36:51] Speaker C: You know what? I'll. I'll fight that. I still think the first two were good enough for me, that I am still happy that I watched them. [00:36:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I'm actually. I'm actually looking forward to the next film. I'm hoping it comes back up. But, you know, well, even, like, as [00:37:03] Speaker C: I mentioned, my wife wasn't able to join me for this one. If she was like, yeah, I really want to see that because I enjoyed the first two. I would watch this again with her, hopefully, in a quiet house and see if that does anything right. I didn't hate this movie. It was just a step down from the last two. At the beginning when the landlord dies, and then you just have the little kid. Not the little kid, the teenager, whatever it is, walking down the street and he's just got blood all over him. There was a moment where I was like, oh, I hope it wasn't a double somicide. Like, I hope he didn't kill his. His Woody wife as well. But that was, like, the only time I thought somebody was legitimately in danger. [00:37:37] Speaker A: I was hoping that demon was just gonna off that cop and jump in the car and take off. Just. Just take to take it in the world, you know, really just give her. Maybe that'll be the fourth one. [00:37:48] Speaker B: Fast and the Furious. The Conjuring. [00:37:50] Speaker C: Yeah. If you like what we do and you want to help, support us, head on over to Patreon. There's a link down below. Shout out to our executive producers, Real Bubba, Hotep and Dino. Greatly appreciate you guys as well as our head writer elder JM990. Thank you so much. And for the first time ever we have a director with it's you. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. It's you is going to get to choose one movie that I'm going to do a 10 minute review of for YouTube as well as we'll help the head writers choose the movie we do at the end of the month with the Patreon pick. Thank you all very much for your support. [00:38:22] Speaker B: So to to address the Conjuring the Devil Made me do it. I'm gonna say that Dan and Will are the devil who made me watch this film. I didn't have too much fun on it. I do think that this is a decent installment in the franchise. We have seen a lot worse in other franchises and so even though this definitely took a dip, it was okay. I got through it. It had some merit. It had some interesting stuff. It was intriguing. It didn't upset me enough that I am still looking forward to the next film in the franchise to see if it can maybe come back to what we saw in the beginning because this is turning out to be a pretty decent franchise. However, this movie definitely had its failings and I'm going to let Dan and Will go over more of those. I'm just going to tell you I gave this a 66, which is down 10 points from the previous and 13 points from the first movie. So it's definitely taking a bit of a dive but still worthy if you want to watch the franchise as a whole. I don't think that you should bother with this movie by itself. It's just something if you're into do [00:39:35] Speaker A: all of it all right. [00:39:36] Speaker C: For me, as I mentioned, I was not very engaged with this movie, but I'm not 100 sure that was this movie's fault. There was a lot of external factors with me trying to watch it in a very busy house today that definitely took me out of this movie. However, there were enough plot holes in this movie. There was enough lack of direction. I mean to say there was too many directions it was trying to follow. There were good elements to this movie and quite frankly, like, I think the acting was all pretty well done. I didn't really have an issue with that. I thought the special effects, the makeup, all that stuff was really well done. None of it from a technical perspective was bad. I Just think the plot on this one is a little worse. And there was no sense of danger that the other two movies had for this one. For me, this one did take quite a bit of a dive. I actually am going a little bit lower than Brian on this one. I'm only giving this1a62. I don't think that this is a very good installment in this franchise. However, this is not sinking the franchise for me. I really like the first two. I'm really excited for the fourth one. I'm hoping it can kind of bump it back up into the 70 range. But I just. I just didn't engage with this film very well. And I don't imagine even if I do a re watch of the franchise that I'm gonna go back to this one. However, it wasn't. It wasn't brutal. It wasn't awful. If my wife wants to watch this one or somebody else is wanting to put it on, I won't protest it. It's just not what I'm looking forward to for myself. [00:40:55] Speaker A: It shouldn't be called not the Conjuring the devil made me do. It should be called the Conjuring. Hollywood made me do it. Hollywood's like, no, we can make bank on another one. Just keep pumping them out. And so they're like, okay. And my. And the original director's like, ah, I'm good. I'm good. You guys, you guys take it away. I'm. I'm happy with what you have. Y' all can ruin that without me. I don't know if that's how it went, but that's how it felt. And so this one just felt like a Hollywood blockbuster movie instead of a intimate ghost story. And there was way too many threads to throughout the movie that didn't get tied off properly. They're still dangling somewhere out there in the witches tunnels. [00:41:37] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:41:37] Speaker A: That sounded dirty. Is that just me? All right, anyway, let's just get to the rating. I think this one isn't worth your time, actually, as far as the franchise goes, unless you just have the biggest love for the Warrens depicted in these movies, which, I'll tell you what, super inaccurate. If you love the Warrens, watch this movie. Otherwise, it's a 52 out of 100. It's just not a good movie. And I wasn't invested. So I just saw all the other elements that are unraveling throughout this movie. [00:42:11] Speaker C: It's just. It's hard to watch. And with that, we have a brand new poster, a little cleaned up. From last week, which is a little bit smaller, unfortunately. Hope everybody can see it. Okay, Conjuring has taken a dive. It was in second place, and it is now down below Mad Max, sitting at dead 70. Dead 70. I don't feel bad about this, and yet I hope that the next one's good enough that it can raise it up a little bit. That's. That's where I'm actually at. I want. I want this to legitimately earn a place higher than it currently is. If it doesn't, if the next one sucks, I'm okay with it dropping because then it's kind of doing the same thing where it's like one, two good movies. [00:42:51] Speaker A: Right. [00:42:52] Speaker C: The rest of the franchise kind of drags it down. But right now we've got, I would say, two good movies and one bad movie. 70 feels okay to me. What about you guys? [00:43:00] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, it's middle of the row. Kind of like your average 70. Average movie is a 70, I'd say if it's going to get produced and made and put out there for the viewing, you'd hope so. It's not bad for me. I. I like that it's under 28 days trilogy, because I quite like those films. As scary movies go, I think they are better executed, especially in the storytelling elements. So, yeah, I'm not mad at it. [00:43:31] Speaker B: If we're talking about how the movie was produced and executed, then I think it sits right where it needs to. Maybe even. I mean, it's. It's tough. So the Mad Max franchise is tough because you have one absolutely stellar movie and several that are pretty. [00:43:48] Speaker C: Pretty okay. [00:43:50] Speaker B: So it's. It's hard to judge it against Mad Max, but I'm looking at Jurassic Park, I'm looking at Evil Dead, and I'm thinking to myself, if we're not talking about the way it was produced and how they executed the. The production of the film, then I would rather watch Jurassic park or Evil Dead than the Conjuring. And I would like to see it dropped just above Beverly Hills as a franchise. That's where I think it's going to actually end up. Knowing that we still have Michael Chavez as a director for number four, I think that's where it's going to land. That's my prediction. [00:44:20] Speaker A: I. I dig your prediction. I think that's a solid prediction for sure. [00:44:23] Speaker C: All right, so that's our rating of Conjuring. The devil made me do it, but what's yours? Leave a comment down below. I'd love to hear from you. We record this live at Twitch TV, the Mongolie show every Thursday night at 9. 00pm Eastern Standard Time. So you can come over there and hang out with us live. We'll record this. Or if you made it this far in the video, hit the like and and subscribe button so we see you in the next one.