R Rating Ep21 - Mad Max Furiosa (2024)

[00:00:01] Speaker A: A Mad Max Saga, 2024. Plucked from her home at an early age, staying alive comes second to preventing anyone from finding the green place. This coming of age story follows Furiosa as she learns all the typical childhood milestones, including learning to drive first romantic relationship, losing a limb, and seeking epic revenge on a man who murdered everyone you care about in front of your eyes. [00:00:37] Speaker B: All right, now, I always like to go to these things where I'm like, hey, where did you discover this movie? But this one's relatively new and Mad Max was the very first episode we ever did on our rating. And Will, at that time, you were the only one who had seen it, and you gave us a brief review of your movie. Now, I did just re. Listen to the Mad Max episode that we made just so I was a little caught up on the franchise going forward, and I didn't listen to your review because I wanted to get from your mouth. Do you remember the review you gave at that time? And do you feel like it has changed at all this time around? Or for that matter, did you even rewatch it? Or are you just going based off what you thought months ago? [00:01:11] Speaker A: I did rewatch it. This came out around, what, eight or so months ago now? [00:01:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it's in the summer. [00:01:18] Speaker A: Yeah. So I watched it in the theaters, which I believe every Mad Max movie should be watched on the big screen. So I did just happened to catch it in theaters before it. Before it was removed. And I felt it was pretty average as far as Mad Max movies were concerned. Now, that being said, I did go back. I don't remember the spiel or anything like that. I didn't listen to our episode, so maybe I'm going to do that later. Links in the description below. Now, I did go back and check my rating because I did give it a quick rating and I scored it lower on my first time round than I scored it this time around. [00:01:59] Speaker B: Interesting. Okay, that was my next question. [00:02:01] Speaker C: So that's good it's growing on you then, huh? [00:02:03] Speaker A: I don't know if it's growing on me as much as we were right in the thick of the Mad Max movies then, and this. Let me talk. Gave me time to like, re. Yeah, consider some elements as well. As we've been doing this for much longer now. We've been doing this for eight more months, so maybe I've refined how I rate and write what criteria I really care about. [00:02:27] Speaker B: Yeah, that was our very first episode. We were all very rough as we were jumping into that with scoring and whatnot. I think even though I'm sure we'll look back on this a year from now and be like, oh, man, we didn't know what we were doing back then. I. I feel like we have grown a bit since the summer. So I was looking at my score for it, and I gave it an honest score, but then I was looking at my scores for the other Mad Max movies, and I was like, oh, this should be higher than that, but it's not, so. Okay. And we'll get into that at the end of the episode when we actually get to scoring these. But, Brian, you said that you'd seen this before, but you didn't end up rewatching it for this episode. How long ago was it that you actually watched this movie? And assuming just the once, right? [00:03:02] Speaker C: I think it was just about two months ago. And I was pleasantly surprised, but not exactly blown away, but I think I was expecting something completely different. And I was. There were some real gems in this movie, some real points of interest that I very much enjoyed. [00:03:24] Speaker A: And. [00:03:24] Speaker C: And there were some low points, too. [00:03:26] Speaker B: I would agree with that. There were some things about this movie I really did enjoy, and I'm sure we'll. We'll get to all those in the near future. My only real complaint with this is, like, I was having a great time with this movie, and then it just kept going. And then it kept going, and then it was still going, and I'm just like, holy crap. Like, it's only two and a half hours. I've seen movies at this long or longer. But this one just felt like it should have been about an hour and a half, and it was not. It. It just. It just kept going. And nothing in. It was bad. Like, there was nothing that I can point to be like, oh, man, that was awful. Like, the acting was great. I think most of the cinematics were fine. Some of them were a little more CG than I would have liked, but so be it. The plot for what it was, was okay, but it just kept going. Did you guys feel that way at all or, like. I think if this had been an hour and a half, I would have really enjoyed this. [00:04:15] Speaker C: Go ahead, Will. [00:04:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I think my two biggest points of contention for Furiosa are the. Which is funny. The cgi, there's some issues with. And then on Other Ways, there's some really great CGI in this movie as well. And I'll talk about that a little bit more later. But the other thing is, what Dan mentioned, the length, it's just a little too long. For the simple revenge story that this is. Now that being said, Mad Max Fury Road is directly after this movie. This is a sequel to that movie and it really set the bar high. It's like the pinnacle Mad Max. It's almost the pinnacle action movie for myself. So going into this, I was happy that it was a revenge story, not a full on action sequence from beginning to end. And I think Miller did a really good job in choosing a different way to present this movie so that you shouldn't compare it to Fury Road, but naturally you're going to because it's all part of the same franchise. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah, I heard Miller say that they actually wrote this one around the same time as Fury Road, like they were written at the same time. So it makes sure that Fury Road makes sense with this one and this one made sense with Fury Road. And I feel like he did a pretty good job with that. I'm not. I feel like they are two sides of the same coin. I'm not sure either one of them. For me at least, I know you're much bigger fans of this is a complete story without the other. I feel like Furiosa, if you were to watch this, if it's the only Mad Max movie you were to ever watch, I don't know if you would feel like, oh, I feel complete in this. But knowing what happens in Fury Road and where it goes like, oh, it's actually really cool that they tied in this element and this element and talked about that and showed her like taking the wives and stuff like that. What do you think, Brian? [00:06:06] Speaker C: Well, you mentioned that and that just kind of rings true with me. It's like, had I not seen Mad Max Fury Road, this movie wouldn't have appealed to me at all. I wanted to find out more about the character of Furiosa and follow her saga. And one of the complaints I had about Fury Road is that it wasn't as much about Mad Max. It felt like the introduction of this new character in the franchise of Furiosa. And though. Though we all loved the movie and it was a great movie, I. I do kind of want to get back to Max at some point. I'd like to go there. So, you know, the enticement of going down the Furiosa road was not as appealing to me because I wanted more Max in the first place. But yes, it was a great introduction to this character and it was a great follow up movie. And it feels right that these two were written together. If that's, if that's the case, that that Makes a lot of sense to me. And. And I'm okay with it. [00:07:07] Speaker B: It. [00:07:08] Speaker C: Like I said, I had fun with this movie. [00:07:10] Speaker A: There's actually multiple reasons that this. Well, one, Miller has been writing about this world and these characters for a long time trying to get Fury Road to the screen and things like that, with ups and downs of actually getting the funding to do it. And so Furiosa was actually written before Fury Road. And there is also a script for a solo Mad Max movie, a Year of Mad Max, that was also supposed to be all. These were all supposed to be coming out, you know, back to. Back to back. At one point they were in production for an anime of Furiosa and that was going to be concurrently released with Fury Road. And then they were going to do the Mad Max afterwards. And then obviously budgetary reasons, they dropped the anime just to make sure Fury Road came through. And it did well enough. But there was legal issues with Warner Brothers that Miller wasn't happy with his compensation from them. So that really lengthened the time that Furiosa production began. In which case then Charisse Theron was no longer age appropriate maybe to play the role. And Miller didn't trust the CGI to look good enough to de age her because of other de aging he's seen in movies. [00:08:36] Speaker C: And a good choice. [00:08:37] Speaker A: And then Furiosa obviously kind of bombed in the box office as lots of movies were bombing in the box office at the time. I. I don't believe it's at fault. Fault of Furiosa at all or a indicator of the quality of movie Furiosa is. But I think that has put the Mad Max feature maybe in the bin permanently. We'll see. I mean, Miller is only getting older. He made this movie at 79 years of age. And considering that, I think he did a spectacular job. [00:09:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I would agree with that. I wonder how much it hurts that this wasn't a Mad Max movie. Like, I mean, obviously it is set in the world, but it doesn't start like all of them have Mad Max in the title. This one, sure, Furiosa a Mad Max saga. But I mean, probably most of the movie theaters just said Furiosa. So if you walked into a theater not having any idea, you're gonna see that marquee and go, I don't know what that is. [00:09:34] Speaker A: That and being released like 10 years after Fury Road doesn't help. [00:09:38] Speaker C: Right. [00:09:38] Speaker A: Because that's kind of is already out of your mind a little bit. [00:09:41] Speaker B: And as we've already generated. [00:09:43] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. [00:09:43] Speaker B: As we've Already alluded to. It's not as good as Fury Road. If it had come out and been as good or better than Fury Road, there would have been so much buzz around this thing. But instead it kind of came up. You want. It's fine. And I. I think that did kind of. I'm sure that hurt it. [00:09:57] Speaker C: The excitement of Fury Road was a little behind us at this point, and there was so much going on in society at the time when this came out. It was. It was even hard to make the connection almost between these two. And speaking of connections to where it came from, can we take a quick glance at the numbers that we put down ages and ages ago for this franchise, Mad Max? [00:10:17] Speaker B: We gave a 62 average road war 600 to it as an average road warrior 64, Thunderdome 69, and then Fury Road 88. And admittedly you both had low 90s on that one. I brought that one down with a 76. I enjoyed it, but I just did not have the love of you guys did. And so our score total for the Mad Max going into this is a 70. Okay. [00:10:45] Speaker C: Yeah, I remember Fury Road for Will and I was near perfect film for both of us. Very good rates high on our top 20 list and. And all that. So we. [00:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah, so sorry. That was really mean. I am. I legitimately. I am glad you guys really enjoyed it. It just didn't hit me in quite the same way. I appreciate it as the. The artistry that went into the film, but it's not one that I returned to. [00:11:10] Speaker C: Well, that's the same. That's why we're here, Dan. So we can help fix your broken view of music. [00:11:14] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly. [00:11:15] Speaker C: So in. I heard lots about Furiosa. [00:11:19] Speaker A: Right. [00:11:20] Speaker C: It came out. It kind of bombed. It didn't appealed to me for the same reason I kind of had trouble with Fury Road. The only thing I didn't really like about Fury Road is that my favorite actor, Tom Hardy, had like five lines in the movie and it wasn't really about him. And then we go to Furiosa, who I felt like stole the show from him or. Or stole his role. Not really stole the show. That the whole movie was great. But it moves on to the character that I was like, well, this isn't who I wanted to follow. And so I wasn't excited about getting into this movie. And so when. When I ended up sitting down and finally watching this, I found that the character Furiosa was an interesting character to follow. She had a great job acting all the age variants of her or Whatever, you know, I was like, wow, okay, this, this is pretty good. I'm, I'm over the fact it's not Mad Max. I'm enjoying this. But then I met Dementis and man, he blew my socks off. I was so just. I mean, the character doesn't make any sense, but holy, I love this character. He was fantastic. I couldn't get enough of him. [00:12:28] Speaker A: I agree. Chris Hemsworth did a phenomenal job performing this character. And much like I think all of the Mad Max is really, the, the villains are really unique and very bizarre. You know, the world that we live in is obviously just chaotic. And I really dig the villains in Mad Max. And there's no exception to this. Dementos is incredible to watch. Even just seeing his motivations, his, his lack of leadership all play out is, is super fun. He's super fun. [00:13:06] Speaker C: He's not even really good at being the worst guy out there. Like, he's kind of a screw up, but, oh yeah, man, he's, he's fantastic. [00:13:15] Speaker B: But he's, he's captivating to watch. Like, I would have enjoyed a, a dementous movie. Almost like I liked what we got to some extent, don't get me wrong. But I could have definitely gone with more Chris Hemsworth. Now, out of curiosity, you say he wasn't even that good at being the bad guy. The whole thing with him at Gast Town, where like the entire place is going through a riot. Do you think that that was accurate or do you think that that was him putting on a show for them so that he can kind of be like, oh, I'm losing control here and make a play on the bigger cities? [00:13:42] Speaker C: No, he's losing control. Yeah, he's losing control. I think he just, he just didn't know how to balance it. He's a, he's a screw up and he can run a big gang, but he can't run a city. He's not an emperor. He doesn't know economics. He doesn't know how to work all this stuff. He just takes things and. [00:13:57] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:13:58] Speaker C: And now he's trying to run a, a community, a city and make it function. He's not just a bandit anymore and he can't do that. He doesn't have the chops for it. And that was. What was so intriguing about his character, is that this is a villain who's great at being a villain, but he's flawed and he's failing and he's screwing up and he's still just going 100%. [00:14:18] Speaker B: Yeah, he's failing upwards as you will. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's why he is also not content. Because when he got Gastown first, I believe, you know, he was set up, he was good to go. He made a deal with Morton Joe. Like, he was in and like, could have lived happily ever after just running that town. But because he couldn't lead, it was crumbling. So he had to get Bullet Town. He had to go for the Citadel because without being on top, he couldn't prove to others that he deserved to be the leader and everybody should listen to him. But he just fumbled his way through and you know, half luck, half. You know, he's not dumb by any means. Like, throughout the movie, he has a lot of really smart things to say. He's got a lot of smart actions that gets him what he needs. But he just doesn't have the leadership skills and obviously no way to learn them in this chaotic. [00:15:12] Speaker C: Yeah, he's. He's willing to do anything to succeed except maybe the right thing. You know, even when. When they're taking shots, willing to do. [00:15:21] Speaker B: Anything, he just doesn't know what it is. [00:15:23] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. You know, they're taking shots at him and he's like using his people as human shields and stuff. Like, he doesn't even. He does not care. He will do whatever it takes to get to his goal. But he is an excellent bandit and he's a terrible leader. And so he's just going to go take and take and take because that's the only thing he can't. He can't maintain. He's got to take something else that's already been built up. [00:15:42] Speaker B: I mean, in fairness, Immortan Joe also just throws his people around really nilly. Like, you don't. We don't see him put one in front of a bullet like he does Dementus, but he does, like, tell one just to like, fall to his death just to prove that he will. [00:15:53] Speaker C: But. [00:15:53] Speaker A: Right, but I believe that leadership. Right. [00:15:56] Speaker C: Yes. [00:15:56] Speaker A: He proves his leadership by being able to have this cult, like, following who will die for him. Right. [00:16:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:02] Speaker C: And I believe Immortan Joe understands his people are one of his resources and so he can use them as a currency when he needs to. Whereas Dementis is just like, at that very instant because he never thinks further in front of him than his own nose at that very instant, he needs to sacrifice the guy. So there it is. You know, he's not thinking about how this plays out. He's never looking for. For tomorrow. It's always what is right in front of him that he needs to happen right then and there. And he's constantly just jumping from one thing to the next, which makes it very exciting to watch him as he just instantaneously finds a solution right then and there. [00:16:40] Speaker A: And I also think it makes sense that he has survived this long because that kind of thinking, like here and now, is what survival is in this wasteland. If you can't think quick on the spot for your own survival, you're not going to make it. And he can do that, but he can't think long term. He has no idea. He knows what he wants. He wants to just be like the king of everything, everybody bow down to him, but he has no idea how to actually achieve that. All he knows how to do is survive today. He knows how to survive this encounter. He knows how to survive the encounter that's going to come up, but he doesn't know anything beyond that. And that's his, like, tragic flaw, I guess. In some ways that makes sense. [00:17:21] Speaker C: And his. Chris, his speech patterns for this character, so fantastic. So fantastic to listen to him talk, the way he brings this character to life really brought up the acting score for this movie. For me, I kind of carried the show. No real bad points. We had some young actors, but they did an okay job. We had a few instances where I didn't understand why people were doing the things that they were doing, and that's not necessarily an acting problem. But for me, Hemsworth really carried the show in this film, and I was not expecting that. It kind of blew me away. [00:18:00] Speaker B: I. I would agree with that to some extent. I think as far as the kid actors go, I realize looking like somebody isn't necessarily the most skillful thing you can do. But the actress they found to play a young Anya Taylor Joy, I thought was actually phenomenal. Like, I believed that she would grow up to look like Anya Taylor Joy, like any other, Joy is a beautiful woman, but she is not a stereotypically beautiful woman. And this little girl kind of has that same features, or at least enough of them to make me believe that. That she would get there. Now, I don't know how much Angel Taylor Joy is going to turn into Charlize Theron. That's totally fine. They're separate movies. That's not bothering me whatsoever. But I think the kids in this movie did fine with what they were given. Like, most of her role was, you know, sit in a cage. [00:18:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Or running. [00:18:40] Speaker B: Yeah. I will say, I kind of got a hint at how long this movie was going to be when I realized how far into it we were. And I'm like, we haven't seen Anya yet. It's always just been this little girl. I'm like, oh, okay. Like, either this would be like the first five minutes and it's like a solid hour of this little girl, which, I mean, again, I was pretty okay with. I really liked. [00:19:01] Speaker A: Go ahead. [00:19:02] Speaker B: No, I was just gonna say I really liked where we started with this movie, where you do see that lush, enriched area Shoot. The abundance. The palace of abundance, whatever. Um, I thought that was great because we hear about it in Fury Road. We're not entirely sure if that's accurate or she's, you know, misremembering or something. So seeing that lush part of the desert was really, really cool. They do. They do a moment which is like, show, don't tell, which is always what you're supposed to do in movies where she sees the bikers and goes up and starts sabotaging their vehicles right away because she knows if they leave and make it back to their tribe, they're going to warn people about or they're going to tell people what they saw and they're going to come and raid us. So I liked that. Maybe this is just me. It took me a second to realize what she was doing. Like, I wasn't sure what her motivations were at the very beginning of it. You kind of get a picture of it pretty quickly. But there was that first initial. Like, is she gonna go rob them? Like, what is she planning to do? [00:19:56] Speaker C: Right now I understand it, but because they treated me smart enough to figure it out. When I did figure it out, I was like, oh, that's really cool. And it made that entire chase sequence where they are going down. I mean, the dude was, like, getting into the tent, she's trying to pop off the shop miles away or whatever. Like, it was. It was pretty shots. [00:20:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:17] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:20:18] Speaker C: I really like that. I liked how we, as the viewer, had to figure it out. I always appreciate when movies appreciate me as a viewer and do that and let me figure it out. I thought it was. That was a great sequence. And it was. You know, Dan, you said the movie kind of runs on, and you're right. It's kind of weird because it's entertaining and. But it does. It's almost exhausting to watch. [00:20:41] Speaker A: Right. [00:20:42] Speaker C: Like, I was kind of tired by the end of this film. Even though I was entertained the whole way through, it did feel long for some reason. [00:20:50] Speaker B: I. [00:20:51] Speaker C: It was kind of an unusual experience. [00:20:53] Speaker B: I Would agree with that to an extent where I wasn't bored, but it wasn't gripping me all that much. I think my issue, you know me, guys, I love story. I love dialogue. I love character development. This was a lot of explosions, and they were cool explosions. They're cool car chases. But we don't get a ton of character development from any of the characters. And unfortunately, the most captivating character on screen is the bad guy. And even then, Chris Hemsworth isn't in a chunk of this movie. Like, he's around for a good chunk of the beginning, and then he kind of disappears for a little bit and then comes around at the end just to. Spoiler alert, die. [00:21:26] Speaker C: Well, how did. [00:21:27] Speaker A: He doesn't die, does he? [00:21:30] Speaker B: He's not living his best life to. [00:21:34] Speaker C: The end of the movie. How did you feel about that exchange at the end when she's got him dead to rights and he's almost like, taking her victory from him by her, you know, that dialogue back and forth between the two of them, that was a really good piece of dialogue. It was unexpected to come from them, and it was way deeper. It was not cliche at all. And it showed the depths of both these characters, and I had no idea how that was going to play out. [00:22:04] Speaker B: I would say that's honestly one of my favorite parts of the movie was the ending there between the two of them. I actually. I really liked that there was a second there where they didn't give you a definitive ending for what happened to him. Like, some, like, legend says something. Because when we discussed the first Mad Max movies, the first couple of them we were discussing, like, is Mad Max even a real character, or is he just a legend in the wastelands? Like, is he just, like, a story you tell your kids kind of thing? Because every movie he's a little bit different, and every movie, he's just kind of like, helping out a bunch of ragtag people. I really liked. They almost brought that back at the end, where they're like, oh, legend says that, you know, she shot him in the desert. Or legend. I can't remember what the other ones were, but there was, like, two or three different ways. [00:22:39] Speaker A: Strung them up in the tree. [00:22:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And then you see him, like, tied down with a tree, growing either between his legs or out of him, his bowels. And it's like, that's dark and kind of amazing. And I really enjoyed that scene between the two of them. You know, you're right. He does try to take away her victory. I still feel like. I mean, obviously she's victorious, he's dead and she's alive. [00:23:01] Speaker C: She almost like. Like you. You think he's going to take away her victory, but she. You almost experience growth in her character because of that interaction. And she like learns from that experience of him taking away what she thought he was and how she was going to deal with that and everything. And you. And then because we're given the multiple choice endings and stuff, it was. It was just such a more complex ending and sequence and interaction than I was expecting. And I really appreciated it. It was a breath of fresh air in cinema because you don't come to those conclusions like that in movies very often where it surprises you, where it intrigues you, where you're not even sure how you feel about that ending. And it was a very complex ending that I appreciated. [00:23:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. Especially because it's an action movie and you expect the Hollywood action movie, the big CGI battle look at A, B, C, D, E, F, U, K. Marvel. Like DC movies, they all have jammed in there. This over the top CGI battle that doesn't really make sense for characters or it's just spectacle. And this easily could have fit into that. And George Miller is a saint for turning it action movie on its head and ending it in a. I don't want to say civil way, but with a discussion and. And just a subtle choices. And it was very, very nice. Even though the movie was long. I appreciated the ending greatly. [00:24:39] Speaker B: He might have had some subtle choices at the end there, but there was a lot of not subtlety in between. Like there was a lot of scenes. [00:24:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it Mad Max movie. [00:24:48] Speaker B: Yeah. There's one scene in particular I don't know if you guys have ever seen. I think it's the Teen Titans Go to the Movies. There's a scene in this where they're driving the war truck down the road and they're coming at him with bikes. And they're like, oh, not just bikes, but now we've got bikes with paratroopers. And then, oh, not just paratroopers, but we got parachutes with fans and like, oh, not just fans. Now we got an airplane or a glider or something like that. And it just kept escalating in this weird way. And there's a scene in. In Teen Titans Go to the Movies where I think they're fighting Batman and the Batmobile just keeps like exploding and turning into a smaller vehicle, exploding and turning into a smaller vehicle until the point where he's like riding a unicycle chasing after. I'm Batman Batman Returns, Batman Forever. [00:25:51] Speaker A: There is no stopping the Batman. [00:25:53] Speaker B: And it just felt like that, like this is a really weird progression to heaven, this movie. It's, it, it felt like we're okay. So I'm just editing Alien Resurrection. You're talking about all the, like the unintentional comedy. It felt like unintentional comedy or possibly intentional comedy that they're just like escalating more and more and more during this ridiculous chase. Do you feel that whatsoever or were you just like, no, this is just bad. Absolutely. [00:26:17] Speaker C: That weird airplane glider thing crashes into the back and has like these spinning tentacles now coming off of the back of the truck. [00:26:22] Speaker B: That was cool. [00:26:24] Speaker C: I mean, yeah, it looked amazing, but it was, it was kind of like you said, it was a weird escalation of events on that one. I mean, excellent sequence, like the, the truck itself. And I've got this big truck pictured behind me because that was a really cool aspect of this, is that you saw the evolution of the war tanker that they use and the different variations that they have and the claws and the knocker, knocker thing, whatever. The, you know, all that stuff was really cool. It was, it was very fun to watch. And hardly any of it made any sense at all, but it was, that was, just put a smile on my face, that stuff. But yeah, the chase scene's escalating into weirder. But of course, in Fury Road we had lots of different guys on the poles swinging back and forth with the weights. Like that stuff is just ridiculous. That would never work in reality. Why would you ever try and do that? But it looked good, right? It was entertaining. It was amazing. And the fact that it wasn't CG in that first one was even better. [00:27:25] Speaker A: You know, I believe that's part of the reason why we got like the flying element in this one is they're trying to one up Fury Road, right? Because Fury Road was, you know, a two hour action sequence and incredible fun physical elements and, and all of that. So they tried to one up it by adding like these aircraft aerial type fights. And it's really fun. I, I, I don't, I don't knock it for doing that, even though it is ridiculous. But the, it's not a, it's not Fury Road. But you still have to at least try to come to that level or surpass it somehow in those action sequences. [00:28:01] Speaker C: And this is the world we live in, right? We've always had big massive vehicles in chase scenes throughout all of the Mad Max franchise. That's, that's part of it. That's the bloodline of this franchise. So it has to be in there. And, yes, they kind of got to up the ante every single time because you don't want it to go the other direction. [00:28:19] Speaker B: I think the part that made me laugh about it was that it wasn't like they had all these things at once and they were just bombarding them. It was. That didn't work well. We got these all of a sudden that bring up the big plane. You're just like, well, I wasn't the plane your first move. But okay, sure. [00:28:35] Speaker C: Do you. [00:28:35] Speaker A: Or all at once just bombarded his mother. [00:28:38] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. Like, if it had all been at once, I don't think it would have hit me in quite the same way. But it was like the slow escalation of, like, bikes aren't doing it. Let's get to the air. Air's not doing it. Let's fly around. Okay. [00:28:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:48] Speaker C: No logical reason for that progression, but, yeah, fun to watch. It was fun. [00:28:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I don't know how to bring this up naturally. The other thing that I just was like, is this a comedy? What are we supposed to be doing here? Some of the names of the characters, specifically Scrotus and Rictus, right back to back. I'm just like, what is happening right now? [00:29:08] Speaker C: I am Scrotus. I am Rus. We are the song Sons. [00:29:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Immortan Joe's sons. Absolutely. [00:29:23] Speaker C: The people Eater. Like, what was that? Like, there's. Yeah, there's a bunch of weird ones in here. [00:29:28] Speaker A: I mean, to be fair, I think for most of the movies, there's been some pretty intriguing names. So I think it's. Again, part of that world is like, you know what? I'm in the wasteland. I'm effing crazy. I'm gonna pick an effing crazy name, and that's. That's how it's gonna roll by. And I. A lot of it is, like, intimidation maybe, or, you know, whatever it is. [00:29:46] Speaker B: To Scrotus is not intimidating me. [00:29:50] Speaker A: Well, you know, maybe. Maybe if he killed his dad, he could. I think his dad. His dad probably named them that because they didn't come out healthy. And so he was not proud of them. Right. He's like, oh, my son is not complete, not whole. He doesn't get a great cool name like Immorta Immortus Joe, or Morton Joe. He gets Scrotus because he came from my scrotum and the other guy's rectus because, damn, he. He is not even Worth two shits, you know, Like, I think that's immortal. Immortan Joe's sentiment to his sons, because he's still waiting for like, that perfect baby. [00:30:28] Speaker C: Will, what did you think of some of, like, the lore built in this movie? Like, the history, man, and the way they kind of pass down information. This society of, you know, the beautiful, lush green place. I forget what they call it that. That society that they have built there, the. The political powers that be. When Dementis and his crew meet up with Immortan Joe and them and they're starting to negotiate, you. You see a lot of these societies in this world building that's going on. What did you think of all that? [00:31:01] Speaker A: That's a great question, Brian. Let me tell you. I believe that is the reason this movie was made. I believe George Miller, like I said, wrote this script, wrote Fury Road and wrote another Mad Max script all at the same time over, you know, plenty of years when he was trying to get funding for the movies to go. And he actually gave Furiosa script and Mad Max script to the cast and crew of Fury Road. So that they all had all the backstories and all the clans and all the people. They had all that information going into Fury Road. And I believe that's George Miller's really good at world building. And specifically this world, like he has built a world all encompassing almost. And so where Fury Road was like this action pique your interest into this world, Furiosa was the complement to that being like, here's that world that you got a taste of and you can now live in it and see it for what it actually is. And I really appreciated that. And I really appreciate that the movie came out. The only reason I appreciate it came out as a sequel is to further just let the audience feel this world rush over them and take it in. So I think George Miller was really smart in why he released them the way he did. And if you're like a fan of the Mad Max, you're obviously a fan of this wasteland and you should fully accept that this is a world building movie that you can just live in. [00:32:41] Speaker C: All right, we've had some appreciation a bunch here. Dan, what do you have to say that you really didn't like about this movie? What drew you out of it? What frustrated you besides its. Its exhausting feelings, feel of length? [00:32:58] Speaker B: I mean, at the end of the day, okay, because you. Here's the thing. [00:33:04] Speaker C: You had the worst score for us by. By a long shot, I'm assuming. [00:33:08] Speaker B: I'm going to tonight as well. [00:33:09] Speaker C: And so. So I want to know, did this movie continue to in comparison, tank on this franchise? [00:33:18] Speaker A: Honestly, I thought dad would like this movie better than Fury Road, because I think so too. [00:33:23] Speaker C: That's what I thought. [00:33:24] Speaker A: There was more story to this, you know, it wasn't just a long action sequence of like, who are these characters? You know, there's very little dialogue throughout that one. This one at least has like character building. So I thought he would like this one more. But now I'm thinking not so much. [00:33:38] Speaker B: As I said, I really enjoyed this movie for about an hour and a half. I would have liked to have seen a bit more of the very beginning. You see Furiosa with her. Her sister, I assume, picking the apple. And then we jump straight into her getting kidnapped in the action sequence. And she's in a chain, a cage. And we never really sense of who she was prior to being a victim. It would have been really nice to have seen a little bit more of that community, a little bit more Furiosa. As in, I'm gonna say innocent, although there's probably nobody innocent in this world. But so we can actually get a sense more of what she actually lost of herself, not just of what she lost in. In her freedom, I guess I'll say. I think so much of this movie. My takeaway of this movie, and I watched it two days ago, I think so, like, pretty recently, is just explosions. Just everywhere. Explosions, constant explosions. Yes, there is a bit more character development than say, Fury Road, but I don't know that I have a great sense of who Furiosa is. I think I have a better sense of who Dementus is. And that's why I liked his character as much as I did. But for Furiosa, most of the movie she's silent. She's like under an oath of. That's not the right word. Under. It's gonna go a different direction. That is not what I meant to say. I just don't know that we like. For. Considering the movie is named after Furiosa, considering it's a Mad Max saga of Furiosa to get to Fury Road, I don't know that I know that much more about Furiosa after watching this that I couldn't have pieced together pretty easily before watching this. Does that make sense? Like, yeah, we know her mother dies. Yep. That pretty much could have guessed that in this universe. We know that she no longer lives in the. The habitat that she grew up in. Yep, we knew that because she's with Morton. Joe. Like there's not a lot of. Like this doesn't add a whole lot. Now, that being said, the one thing I will absolutely praise this movie on. One thing we didn't touch on when we were talking about Chris Hemsworth, Tom Burke, I thought was really interesting. And I would have loved to have seen more of their connection because that seemed to be the only person in this universe that intrigued her and brought her out of her shell a little bit. Everybody else she just kind of ignored or tolerated. That was the one person that she was like, oh, this. This is an equal. This is somebody who actually respects me. And instead that sequence was relatively short and he ends up dying too early. [00:35:58] Speaker C: I didn't understand that. It was awkward to me, her relationship with him. He's the co driver in the truck who kind of takes her under his wing, right? Yep. [00:36:10] Speaker B: And. [00:36:10] Speaker C: And it was always on this kind of fringe. Like he seemed a little too old for her. So it was kind of like creepy. But there was an edge of romance there. I never knew where it was going to go. I never knew where it was going to land. And there was hardly any dialogue between the two of them. You just had time would progress and she would be further in cahoots with him, you know, wearing some matching leathers with him, holding, you know, guns. That they were working together more fluidly together because they'd obviously spent more time together. I didn't get that relationship. I wanted more of that character. He was out of the movie too fast and it. They just didn't land that. That duo. For me, it just didn't. It didn't quite fit right. And I went away needing more out of that or maybe less, not really sure. But for me, that the pairing of those two seemed unfinished. [00:37:09] Speaker B: I would agree with that to some extent. I. I liked that I left that kind of wanting more obviously having if I want more than I would have liked it if it kept going right. So, like, sure, if they want to give us more, I would take it. But I didn't feel. It didn't feel as incomplete to me as apparently it felt to you. [00:37:25] Speaker C: I felt like that did she clearly devoted to him. She turned around and risked her life to go save him when I thought he was a goner for sure, you know. Yeah, I mean, I got it. I kind of got it. I guess maybe they just didn't have the chemistry I needed to pull that off. I don't know. It just felt a little off to me. Not even that bad. But that was one of the points of that I had trouble with in this movie. I was like, I don't get these two. [00:37:51] Speaker B: I'll give it to you in the sense that like her going back when he was in trouble made sense to me because I don't know, it did at the time. The thought that I thought was weird was he says to her at some point, like, you know, I'll train you, I'll teach you how to be a driver. And then once you are, then you're. You're free to go. And it felt like the next scene he's like, here, there's shotguns for you. You've learned everything you can. I'm like, I'm sorry. Where was that training montage? Like, there we go. [00:38:16] Speaker C: Yeah, I needed, I needed that bit for sure. [00:38:18] Speaker B: Yeah. But I don't know, I. I really enjoyed his character. I wish we got more of that. Like that could have been the movie. To me, honestly, that could have been the. The last half of the movie. Movie is just the two of them, Bonnie and Cliding it out in the wilderness. And then he dies to Dementis and then she has to go after Dementus. Like it seems like there was a good chunk of this movie where she didn't even care that much about Dementus being alive out in the world. Like one of my issues with this is. I don't know that I felt like she had any clear direction in this movie. Like she wants to kill him at the beginning, she wants to kill him at the end. And in the middle she's just kind of like, ah, survival, I guess. I don't know. Like she's got Rectus who tried to potentially rape her early on. And you know, she's just kind of cool being around him for the rest of the movie. She's got Dementus who killed her mother. [00:38:58] Speaker A: She's hidden from him. But okay. [00:39:00] Speaker B: They're in the same scene multiple times. [00:39:02] Speaker A: I know, but he doesn't know who she is. [00:39:05] Speaker B: Sure. But she knows who he is and she. I don't know if he's doing that to me. He's probably doing that. The other wives, she doesn't have a choice, right? [00:39:11] Speaker A: Like. Like much of this movie doesn't have a lot of choice. She is where she is situated, not by choice. And the same thing is for the relationship. [00:39:21] Speaker B: How many movies? Sorry. Right. [00:39:24] Speaker A: She is. She's like, oh, this guy's actually not going to just kill me right now or I don't have to kill him. He actually has a plan and is actually going to follow through with it. Sure, minimal things are said, but that's fine. This is an action movie. Like Miller lays it out. What's said is what's going to happen in this movie. And that you just kind of have to roll with that or ride with it, whatever you want to do. So she sees that as another hope piece of maybe I can get back to where I belong. And so that's why she's connected with him instantly. And that's why she wants to learn everything she can from him. Because he has freedom to leave the Citadel whenever he wants, pretty much. And she doesn't have any freedom. She hasn't had any freedom since she picked that peach. And. [00:40:11] Speaker C: And. [00:40:11] Speaker B: And she gives her a car and is like, go follow your dreams. And she doesn't. [00:40:17] Speaker A: Yeah, but she's unfinished business. Dementus is not. There's throughout this whole thing if you think she is going to forget Dementus murdered her mother. The only two times she goes back to save people is when those people are super important to her. And both times Dementus destroys them. There's no way she's going to let him live. And that is her learning from Dementus. Like you say, she has no character development. I think she literally grew up watching Dementis and learning off him. Which is why at the end their discussion is so interesting. Because she has somewhat become him. [00:40:55] Speaker B: There's a scene where he's in. She's in the war truck. Dementus is leading them out of the city. That's in riot mode. She's sitting right there. She's got a shotgun on her lap. He's right beside her and she's in a vehicle looking at a bridge. Like she could easily take a shot at him. And she's just like, cool, thanks for the drive. We drives off into the sunset. Like I don't get the incense that she has any interest in killing him until he takes out. Shoot. What's it? The. The other. The Tom Brady. Tom. Tom Burke, whatever. The. Actually we were. [00:41:28] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Praetorian Jack. [00:41:30] Speaker B: Tom Burke. [00:41:30] Speaker A: Yeah, the actor. [00:41:34] Speaker B: Like I just don't get the impression that she's like actively seeking him out. It's just kind of like, oh, now this is convenient. I guess I'll do this. [00:41:41] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:41:43] Speaker C: She just. [00:41:43] Speaker A: A rocket launcher. I'm thinking she wants to just reconvene. [00:41:46] Speaker B: You know, there's a lot of movies where you've got people who are in bad situations and they're like, you know what my life is A waste at this point, but I'm gonna make sure that this happens. And I get the impression they are working towards that thing happening. I never got the impression she was working towards getting revenge on Dementis. It's honestly, it seemed like she forgot about him for most of the movie. [00:42:04] Speaker C: I did feel like she was distracted in some way. Whether it was she was attracted to Praetorian Jack or felt like he was some sort of a father figure slash family member or person that she cared about in some way, which I just didn't understand the connection there. But. But he seemed important to her and she wanted to be with him and not just use him to leave. She also wanted to kill Dementus, but I'm not sure when or why or how. It was definitely the top of her list of things to do. But she did seem to get distracted by stuff. And also there was the truck, which kept being this icon. I mean, we have a montage of them building this truck at one point. This truck was an icon of freedom slash power for her. She was hot for that truck. Whether it was because Praetorian Jack was driving it or. Or because that thing had like literal testicles hanging off the back of it and it just looked like very phallic or something. Like this thing looked just like it was going to do some damage to something somewhere. It was a beautiful piece of machinery. Crazy, but whatever. Like it was iconic as Power as Freedom. It was a centerpiece for this movie and to some degree the franchise. Especially coming off of Fury Road as we have the war truck being a big thing. And then we have this one, which is honestly the prequel of this truck. Beat the pants off of Fury Road, in my opinion. I thought this truck was way cooler, more powerful, whatever. Anyway, so she. She had these things that seem to distract her a bit. And that's why I lost this movie just got messy in the middle for me. I got her in the beginning, I got her in the end. I didn't really know what was going on in the middle, but I was entertained by it. [00:43:56] Speaker B: You know what I just thought of as you were speaking because of what you were saying, it would have worked pretty well for me if there was a scene where she goes on fairly early on before she meets the other. Are they Praetors, The. The. The other drivers of the big truck? [00:44:09] Speaker C: I think so, yeah. [00:44:09] Speaker B: Okay. Before she meets him, if she went after Dementus and domested Dementus bested her, let her live for some reason. And she's like, I really Want to take this guy out? I don't have the ability to. She meets Praetor Praetos and this and. [00:44:24] Speaker C: This was her growing in strength. [00:44:27] Speaker B: He's teaching her how to be, you know, someone who can survive in the, in the wild, in the, in the wasteland and then level up. And then she's like, okay, cool, now that I've done this. I. I think she did have a romantic relationship or at least wanted a romantic relationship with him. That was the impression that I got personally. [00:44:42] Speaker C: Well, what do you think was he. [00:44:44] Speaker B: Takes Dementus, takes that away from her and now she's not only that much more incentivized to, but has the power to do it. Okay, that. [00:44:51] Speaker C: That makes sense. Will, what do you think was happening in the middle there? [00:44:54] Speaker B: Oh, that. That is not what happened. That's just what I wanted to have happened. [00:44:57] Speaker A: I think she was raised by Dementus and so she sees the truck as power and freedom. She wants that truck. Dementus sees the Citadel as power and freedom. He wants the Citadel. She's acting like Dementus. She's acting like those around her who she sees and being successful and surviving. I believe there's way more parallels between Dementus's character and her throughout this movie. And at the end is where she chooses to change that. She chooses to change that about herself. And then focuses on again getting to the Green Place, Fury Road, saving the innocent people of the Citadel, so on and so forth. Not so much getting the power, not so much becoming the leader of everything. Spoiler alert. [00:45:49] Speaker B: Fury Road. [00:45:50] Speaker A: She gets the Citadel because she's made this choice to change her character to separate herself from the Dementises of the world. That's what I felt. Does it come across? Well, maybe not. And is that because this is a two and a half hour movie and we don't want it to be four hours. We didn't even want two and a half hours. So I think it's. It's tough to cram it all in there. Especially when people are going to expect 15 minute chase scenes. [00:46:17] Speaker B: Maybe I'm just in the minority. Maybe this just isn't my franchise. And I want more story and less action. And people who want more action. This is where you go, right, like. And again, I'm not. No criticisms on the action itself. I think most of those fight scenes and action scenes are gorgeous. I think they're a lot of fun. I think they're silly, but like in the. In the right way. A lot of the characters in this were great. I Just didn't connect with this movie in the way that I wanted to. [00:46:43] Speaker A: And don't get me wrong, this is a super ambitious movie, like trying to elaborate on all of this wasteland world that George Miller's built over the years and like have it all in there, as well as this revenge story, as well as covering like 14 years of this young girl's life. It's so much, it's so much. So is it going to come across executed perfectly? Pretty tall, tall order, I think, but I think he does a pretty good job overall. [00:47:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Kind of going back to what I was saying about this, feels like this the other side of the coin for Fury Road. The end scene that like 10 seconds you get, the very end where she's just all of a sudden capturing the brides and loading them up in the truck. And if you've never seen Fury Road or Fury Road didn't end up getting made, I mean it came out first, but if it didn't, that seem. Feels like it comes out of absolute nowhere. Now obviously you can piece together that she was a wife at one point. She knows they're being mistreated. Like it, it, you can make sense of it. But at no time does she interact with the wives after she runs away as a little girl. At no point does she like, don't worry, I'm going to save. We don't even see her interact with the wives in a, in a favorable way. She just kind of like is in the room with them and you're kind of like, oh yeah, clearly I can see bad things are happening. It works because of Fury Road. But if this is the first Mad Max movie you were ever watching, I could absolutely see you being like, what? That's the ending? Yeah. [00:48:04] Speaker A: I also think that's why. And like a lot of people are like, why did George Miller put this like weird almost trailer of Fury Road at the end of this movie? And I think that's exactly the reason is because this movie came out later and even though it's a sequel, but it leads in to Fury road. So obviously 10 years later it came out, people are going to watch this movie, not have seen Fury Road. So him putting in that kind of trailer esque montage at the end are like giving people that reasoning for why the movie ended the way it did and saying, hey, go watch the next part because it's going to blow you away. [00:48:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:43] Speaker C: Even Miller likes to promote his own content. [00:48:46] Speaker A: Who doesn't? Who doesn't? [00:48:48] Speaker B: YouTube.com all right, on that note, shall we Rate this. You guys have anything else you want to throw? [00:48:56] Speaker A: Yeah, let's. [00:48:57] Speaker C: Let's rate this. Can I go first this time? I never get to go first. [00:48:59] Speaker B: Please. [00:49:01] Speaker A: I would. I'm always wanting you to go first. And please. Okay. I don't. [00:49:05] Speaker C: I don't actually care if I go first or not. I just noticed I haven't got first in a long time, and I did the math. Okay, so the. The rough draft of this before we come in here, because it's starting to be very interesting to me how my point system fluctuates just. Just a little bit. I ended up giving this movie A73. When I first came in. After discussing it with you guys, I ended up coming down on the plot a little bit, remembering some of the plot holes going up in the direction a little bit. And as far as this movie holding up, it did get a little bit silly at times. And my adjusted score, final score for this movie is going to be a 71 for me. The biggest points that I had in this movie is it felt a little bit sloppy in the middle. Her relationship with the Praetorian Jack or Praetorian Joe or whatever his name was. That one, it just didn't land for me. But the highlight of the film would be Dementis. His character was absolutely phenomenal. [00:50:00] Speaker B: So I'm actually going to disagree with Brian a little bit on that one. I think the storyline that they had with Praydas was actually my. One of the stronger points in this movie. That's the part that I really enjoyed and would have loved to have seen more of. Overall, I thought this movie was actually very well directed, very pretty, very fun to watch. It just was way too long for me for how little story there actually was in this. Everything I got, I. I liked. There's nothing I can point to as a glaring problem other than it just didn't really hold my attention for the entire length of the movie. Now, as we said when we first started this, the Mad Max franchise was the first movies we did on this show. So maybe my scaling when I wrote those down was not quite as accurate. Or maybe it's changing over time. I'm not 100 sure. I gave this movie a 69, which puts it a little bit behind Fury Road, but it actually also puts it behind Thunderdome, and I can't quite make sense of that because there's no chance that Thunder Rome is a better movie than this one. Thunderdome's a lot of fun. I really enjoyed Thunderdome, but this is a better made movie. In every category. Way better acting, way better set pieces, way better everything. So I'm sticking with the 69. That's where I'm landing with this one. But it does feel a little bit weird that it came in behind Thunderdome. [00:51:13] Speaker C: That's not weird at all. That's Tina Turner. [00:51:16] Speaker A: Those extra points. Tina baby. Tina. [00:51:19] Speaker B: Extra. At least. [00:51:22] Speaker A: All right, let me get this right for everybody at home, because these two fools don't know what they're talking about. Okay? Now I could have talked about this movie for hours and hours. Instead, I'm going to take way too long to rate this movie as I talk about it for hours and hours. I love a lot of this movie. I believe that George Miller did a great job at changing this movie dramatically from what we got in Fury Road. And it was a necessity. This is a beautiful picture of a lived in world. We get to live in the world over like 14 years and we get to see all the chaos and what it actually takes to survive in the wasteland. And I really enjoyed that. This is also a revenge story. Again, very simple. It's an action movie, so you have a very simple story that kind of threads through that 14 years. George Miller, at 79 years old, can out action almost any other director. And I think that is a feat in itself. A happy feat, if you will. We didn't even talk about a Mad Max cameo in this movie. Probably because it's so small that it. It doesn't really matter. But it's interesting. It's there. We didn't really talk about that. The stowaway scene, the, the war pig scene took 78 days to film that 15 minute scene. That's incredible. And I would be recluse if I didn't mention. Yeah, we talked about the CGI not being great in this movie, but Dan said specifically, it's so cool. They found a young actress that looks a lot like Anya for this movie. And that is partly due to the CGI they implemented over top of the actress. At the beginning of the movie, they put 30% Anya over top of the actress's face to help her look more like Anya. And throughout the movie, they dialed it up to about 80% Anya until they swapped the character actor. And I thought that it was seamless and I don't think either of them even noticed it. So I think there was some really great CGI in this movie and then some not so great CGI in this movie. But overall, yes, this movie is too long because I think George Miller has trouble editing and it's tough because as we all said, there's not a lot to edit out of this movie. It does everything it needs to do. So it just naturally becomes a long movie, but it might just be too long for a revenge movie. So overall, between genre, acting, writing, direction, and if it holds up, I think this is an 80 out of 100. It's a master class in action from a master. [00:53:58] Speaker B: I gotta say, I had no idea that she was cgi. So you're right. That. That absolutely got me. [00:54:04] Speaker C: I didn't know that either. I wish you would have told me before. [00:54:06] Speaker A: I. I tried to mention, but you guys kept going. I was like, oh, we should keep it tight. So I wanted to mention it in the end. [00:54:10] Speaker C: Well, I mean, that would bump. I don't know. [00:54:13] Speaker A: No, it doesn't have to bump. It doesn't have to bump. It doesn't have. It's. It's a minor thing because there are. [00:54:18] Speaker C: I don't think it would change the math. Overall, what really held me back on. On my score was the fun factor for this movie, though I enjoyed it. I didn't enjoy it enough that I wanted to go back and watch it again before we reviewed it tonight. Like, I. I thought about that, and I was like, I. I could squeeze this in today. And I was like, you know what? I'd rather take a nap where it landed. [00:54:40] Speaker B: On that note, Max Furiosa. So much fun. You'd rather take a nap, right? [00:54:46] Speaker A: On that note, Dan had mentioned that I watched this movie back when it was released, and I rated it for our. Whatever episode we were rating, the final Mad Max. And I looked it up. Original score for me was a 75 out of 100. I actually boosted this up because when I rewatched it, I just saw. I don't know, maybe I just saw the George Miller Vision or I just felt the world more completely, and it drew me in. And maybe that's because I already knew the story, so I could just appreciate the other elements. I don't know what it was, but for some reason, Maybe it's because we've refined our scoring like Dan said earlier. It could be multiple reasons, but it did. It did bump it for me a little bit. [00:55:29] Speaker B: I was. I was wondering. That was the only part that I got that far in the video where you said, oh, I give it a 75 out of it. It was like, okay, done. That's all I wanted to hear, really. I mean, I want the rest of what I said, what you guys said about the other movies. Just trying to remind Myself, But I didn't want to hear any of your takes on this movie to skew what I thought of this before going into it. [00:55:45] Speaker A: No, that makes sense. [00:55:47] Speaker B: So that brings Mad Max's total score up to 71, which breaks the only tie we had. It was the first, what, three movies, and we had a tie pretty much instantly. And that just irked me. So knowing that Mad Max comes out on top, you know, honestly, I'm a little bit upset about that. I do wish Predator had beaten out Mad Max, but I do like that there's not a tie, so I'll go with it. [00:56:08] Speaker C: I'm. I'm good with this. I think that there is more quality invested into the latter two movies of Mad Max and even some interesting techniques used in the earlier films that I. I think the effort to produce a better film is there. Over Predator. We've got two different genre styles kind of things, obviously. And I would just have to say I'm happy that Mad Max beats it by one point. I. I like where that rests. [00:56:37] Speaker B: Honestly, I'm pretty okay with that as well. I. I absolutely love two of the Predator movies, and the other three are very, very forgettable. [00:56:44] Speaker A: Hit and miss. Yeah. [00:56:46] Speaker B: But I guess. I mean, I guess at the end of the day, I liked three of the fur. The Mad Max movies as opposed to. So, yeah, I guess that makes sense. I guess it does work out. I just. In my brain, I like Predator overall more than I like Mad Max. But when you actually break down the movies, there were more Mad Max movies I enjoyed than there were Predator movies. So. [00:57:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's part of the franchise thing. It's the ups and downs. Right. Overall, it could drop you, even though you like that franchise a little better. That's. I think, what Run came into. He loves Alien, but because there's some bad Alien movies, it dropped it even more for him in those bad movies. [00:57:21] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. Yeah. [00:57:23] Speaker C: We should revisit her. [00:57:24] Speaker A: I loved. I would have loved an Alien tie, but that's okay. [00:57:28] Speaker B: You'll notice I saw the asterisk. [00:57:31] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:57:31] Speaker B: I was going to say you noticed the asterisks. [00:57:33] Speaker C: I was very happy about that. [00:57:34] Speaker B: I almost deleted it. And I was like, nah, I'll give run one on this one. I just, like, moved it up a couple. Like, there you go. There's an asterisk for Home Alone. [00:57:41] Speaker C: We can all be happy about the board now. You got your difference in scores. I got my asterisks on Home Alone. Will even got Mad Max to go up above right there. [00:57:52] Speaker A: So, hey, it's worthy. It's worthy in my eyes. [00:57:56] Speaker B: All right. And that has been our rating of the Mad Max Furiosa. Now that finishes our Mad Max saga. Do you think we rated it too high, too low? Are you actually pretty happy with where it lands on the franchise board? We record these live over at Twitch TV themangoolie Show. So head over there and hit the follow button if you want to watch these live as they're recorded. Or if you're happy with the edited versions, make sure you hit that subscribe button. It really does help out a lot and like the video as it does help the channel grow. Are there any friends franchises you'd love to see us do in the future? I'd love to hear from you again. Comment down below. Be great to hear from you. Other than that, we'll see you next time with another great video right here on the Mongolu Show. Good night everybody.